W/E build (i grew tired of KDAS)

Secret chief

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

11 Nov 2005 at 20:51 - 1
This is my 1st tread so i would like some replies



i ll keep it simple :

10 axe
10 strength
11 water

sup vigor
sup absorption
min axe
min strength
min hammer (this is 4 KDAS but i grew tired of it, and is the reason 4 this post)

skills:

battle rage
penetrating blow
dismember
axe rake
wild blow (optional but was useful 2 me)
Frozen burst
conjure frost
res signet

a good set for the build is, before going into melee use conjure frost 1st then u have 2 choice

1. use frozen burst right away making sure ur victim dont run off
2. wait 4 battle rage 2 charge and use frozen burst then battle rage making more spike dmg

since frozen burst is 30 sec recharge i m never short on energy

its a great caster protector skill

just watch out when to use it because it ends battle rage, so usually i wait for conjure frost to wear off 1st, then i cast conjure frost 1st then frozen burst then go back to battle rage
of course i skip conjure frost if i can kill with frozen burst

the bad thing with this build is that ur easily shutdown :blind, empathy.....
+ u have no way of self heal other than using ur 25% faster run 2 get out of harms way and regen, but then ur not really useful .....

Secret chief

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

11 Nov 2005 at 21:35 - 2
i switch penetrating blow 4 execution strike and wild blow 4 disrupting chop
works great

heist23

Journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Mo

12 Nov 2005 at 00:57 - 3
interesting....

well, since you've got a snare already, you might want to switch out battle rage for eviscerate, or cleave if you haven't unlocked it already.

frozen burst is a good idea, but it's exspensive for a warrior. maybe shard storm or another snare that's 10 energy.

as for self-healing, maybe a defensive stance might be just as good. healing signet won't help much...

Secret chief

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

12 Nov 2005 at 03:57 - 4
maybe i missed something but i think battle rage is better than the axe elites
because i m almost constantly 25% faster and i can spam executioner strike like cleave ..

carnivore

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/

12 Nov 2005 at 04:01 - 5
well if you wanna be a constant 25% faster then why do you have a snare?

Red Locust

Red Locust

Site Contributor

Join Date: May 2005

12 Nov 2005 at 04:10 - 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secret chief
maybe i missed something but i think battle rage is better than the axe elites
because i m almost constantly 25% faster and i can spam executioner strike like cleave .. False. When you're using battle rage, you're not using frenzy (or tiger's fury if you will) which means you're missing out on an attack speed increase that not only increases your adrenaline gain but also the damage you do with basic swings, since you swing more often than you would with battle rage. You also miss out on eviscerate, which is better than executioners, but more importantly, works very well in conjunction with executioners to do heavy spike damage.

So do yourself a favor and stick with eviscerate. If you need to hear more convincing arguments against battle rage, search around the forums and read the many discussions that have gone on about BR.

Secret chief

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

12 Nov 2005 at 04:13 - 7
frozen burst 2 help casters can slow many
25 % faster 2 catch up, do axe rake then hopefully gang up 4 the kill

Secret chief

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

12 Nov 2005 at 04:27 - 8
well maybe i m too much of a pussie to put frenzy in my bar
100 % more dmg .......

Turin Greyhand

Turin Greyhand

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Atlanta

Dawn's Omen (Leader)

Me/

13 Nov 2005 at 17:28 - 9
I like this a lot, i will test it out myself. Nice Concept.

Secret chief

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

13 Nov 2005 at 18:46 - 10
ok i ve tested it heres my final version (4 now ..)

water 11
strength 10 (+2)
axe 10(+1)

1. Berserker stance
2. eviscerate E (i see the light now )
3. axe rake
4. executioner strike
5. --Wut u want -- currently defy pain but ....
6. Frozen burst
7. conjure frost
8. res

setup is :

conjure frost, get a soft target, frozen burst, berserker stance, adrenaline skill spike

works great

except for blind

Elena

Elena

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Belgium

13 Nov 2005 at 19:06 - 11
dont u mean endure pain ?

Morganas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

13 Nov 2005 at 19:13 - 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secret chief
well maybe i m too much of a pussie to put frenzy in my bar
100 % more dmg ....... Normally you'd take sprint to turn off frenzy, but your build definitely doesn't have the free skill slots. Since your using conjure, flurry might be a nice stance. Berserker's stance like you have now is a good idea IMO since you probably won't have the energy to keep up flurry all the time anyways.

Secret chief

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

13 Nov 2005 at 19:16 - 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elena
dont u mean endure pain ? yes

Hella Good

Hella Good

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

None, free and clear

13 Nov 2005 at 19:28 - 14
another snowman build? check out the premade pvp chars.

Morganas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

13 Nov 2005 at 20:07 - 15
Another healing monk? check out the premade pvp chars.

Secret chief

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

13 Nov 2005 at 20:57 - 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hella Good
another snowman build? check out the premade pvp chars. Premade pvp char SUCKS !!!!!

Hella Good

Hella Good

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

None, free and clear

14 Nov 2005 at 07:18 - 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morganas
Another healing monk? check out the premade pvp chars. Failed to catch the joke.

And yea, pvp chars do suck but it's a start... i guess...

Slade xTekno

Slade xTekno

Rawr.

Join Date: Apr 2005

Read or Die Stooge Forum

W/

14 Nov 2005 at 08:16 - 18
Since you're not running Battle Rage anymore [thank God], I would go 12/10/8 for the attribute. The 12 would obviously go into Axe [hopefully with a Sup rune for higher crits]. I would then go 8 into Strength with a Minor Rune and 10 into Water Magic [for Conjure and Burst].

tafy69

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

N/Me

14 Nov 2005 at 08:45 - 19
The sword warrior snowman build thats posted on this site somewhere is much better i think.

Water Trident (Elite)
Frenzy
Galrath Slash
Final Thrust
Sprint
Frozen Burst
Conjure Frost
Rez

Your Date

Your Date

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

S H O C K (SvK)

N/Mo

14 Nov 2005 at 16:05 - 20
i have used my w/e for a long time and i find that using alot of ele skills just kills me so i just like to use conjure to boost my dmg then use flurry non stop. This makes me attack faster at the price of doing less dmg but with conjure it evens it self out very nicely because of my +45hp -2 dmg whilein stance trader shiled .

Yukito Kunisaki

Yukito Kunisaki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

W/N

14 Nov 2005 at 16:41 - 21
The problem with this build effectiveness is that nobody here, who are the majority of the elite, will care what you're doing unless you bring these skills above all else...

Frenzy
Sprint
Exe Strike
Eviscerate {E}
Res Sig

Yes, unless you bring these 5 'staple cookie cutter' skills to the table, 9/10 overzealous pvp self-proclaimed pros will just scoff at you... [believe me, I know...]

The meta-game doesn't favor innovation much either. Everyone expects you to do nothing but damage as a warrior and sad to say, at his most efficient, and thereby best build, the 5 I just mentioned up top are you be all and end all warrior axe build 'defaults'.

The skills you should consider as an ice executioner are Conjure Frost, Frozen Burst, Ice Prison, or Shard Storm.

Some would even say you must bring Disrupting Chop as well. I'm a fan of either D. Chop or Fear Me!! but D. Chop is for those casual 4v4 fights. Fear Me!!, when enemies crowd about you, is Godlike for the 8v8 fights...

Wild Blow or Swift Chop are also strong for a warrior executioner to use... I prefer SC since it works in all situations, whereas wild blow only for stances. I get stuffed more by wards and enchantments then by stances... (and the only real stance users out there are rangers and warriors, 2 targets a warrior shouldn't care about anyway...)

Your build may work for you, but a better sense of energy management should help. If you're going for dps instead of spike (which is what's shown here using Battle Rage), then I'd suggest going sword. Swords don't have elite attacks so using an elite stance will synergize nicely. But if you insist on axe, here's my take on my w/e axe type, if I ever made one...

Swift Chop
Eviscerate {E}
Executioner's Strike
Fear Me!! / Disrupting Chop
Frenzy
Sprint
Conjure Frost
Frozen Burst / Res Sig

12+1+3 Axe (any less, would be uncivilized)
8+1 Strength
10 Ice Magic [or 8 ice and 7+1 tactics if I wanted to run Fear Me]

The 'sword' ice warrior mentioned elsewhere on one of the site's guides was:

12+1+3 Swordsmanship (not the original, but made for metagame)
8+1 Strength
10 Ice Magic

Sever
Gash
Galrath Slash / Res Sig
Final Thrust
Frenzy
Sprint
Water Trident {E}
Conjure Frost

As cookie cutter as it gets, I for one gamble on the fact that my monk keeps us alive so I wouldn't bring res sig, sometimes...

Lexar

Lexar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Organised Spam

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14 Nov 2005 at 16:48 - 22
Used to run this as an ice sword warrior

Bull's charge (E)
frenzy or berserker stance
galrath slash
final thrust
savage slash or disrupting chop
ice prison
conjure frost
res sig

rii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

UK

14 Nov 2005 at 18:32 - 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki
The problem with this build effectiveness is that nobody here, who are the majority of the elite, will care what you're doing unless you bring these skills above all else...

Frenzy
Sprint
Exe Strike
Eviscerate {E}
Res Sig

Yes, unless you bring these 5 'staple cookie cutter' skills to the table, 9/10 overzealous pvp self-proclaimed pros will just scoff at you... [believe me, I know...]

The meta-game doesn't favor innovation much either. Everyone expects you to do nothing but damage as a warrior and sad to say, at his most efficient, and thereby best build, the 5 I just mentioned up top are you be all and end all warrior axe build 'defaults'.

The skills you should consider as an ice executioner are Conjure Frost, Frozen Burst, Ice Prison, or Shard Storm.

Some would even say you must bring Disrupting Chop as well. I'm a fan of either D. Chop or Fear Me!! but D. Chop is for those casual 4v4 fights. Fear Me!!, when enemies crowd about you, is Godlike for the 8v8 fights...

Wild Blow or Swift Chop are also strong for a warrior executioner to use... I prefer SC since it works in all situations, whereas wild blow only for stances. I get stuffed more by wards and enchantments then by stances... (and the only real stance users out there are rangers and warriors, 2 targets a warrior shouldn't care about anyway...)

Your build may work for you, but a better sense of energy management should help. If you're going for dps instead of spike (which is what's shown here using Battle Rage), then I'd suggest going sword. Swords don't have elite attacks so using an elite stance will synergize nicely. But if you insist on axe, here's my take on my w/e axe type, if I ever made one...

Swift Chop
Eviscerate {E}
Executioner's Strike
Fear Me!! / Disrupting Chop
Frenzy
Sprint
Conjure Frost
Frozen Burst / Res Sig

12+1+3 Axe (any less, would be uncivilized)
8+1 Strength
10 Ice Magic [or 8 ice and 7+1 tactics if I wanted to run Fear Me]

The 'sword' ice warrior mentioned elsewhere on one of the site's guides was:

12+1+3 Swordsmanship (not the original, but made for metagame)
8+1 Strength
10 Ice Magic

Sever
Gash
Galrath Slash / Res Sig
Final Thrust
Frenzy
Sprint
Water Trident {E}
Conjure Frost

As cookie cutter as it gets, I for one gamble on the fact that my monk keeps us alive so I wouldn't bring res sig, sometimes... Frankly, the reason everyone says use them isnt because their snobs, its because thats the best. If you come up with a reason why its not (remember a lot of people use dark fury so you cant argue about spam) then its just a fact its the best set up for a warrior (axe)

Sword isnt really dps. The energy attacks work well if your using WE or something....but thats sub-par... the adrenaline skills dont really fit into anything really. galrath/final is spike.... sever/gash is crap.

If you want dps axe is fine. Penetrating, executioners, disrupting, dismember, etc are all good under battle rage if thats what turns you on.

Secret chief

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

16 Nov 2005 at 22:48 - 24
here s how i use this build now

Axe 12 +4
strength 8 +1
water 10

Berserker stance
eviscerate
axe rake
executioner strike
disrupting blow
frozen burst
conjure frost
res

This is as energy efficient as it gets (i use gladiator chest and legging).
it would cost a max of 60 energy every 60 sec, 2 pips dont give that, but i rarely use frozen burst the second its ready, wait for a good opportunitie.

with this build i can easily trap a monk in early game, cast conjure frost a couple of second before engaging,call frozen burst, berserker stance. sometimes with good focus fire we can kill him before i use eviscerate etc..
this gives me the chance to snare right away an other target.
disrupting res is both easy and necessary.

this build isn t based on the max dmg possible, but being able to snare and do very good dmg. I rather cast frozen burst and have all my team beat the crap out a slow enemy than cast sprint. And, u cant have a build with both frozen burst and frenzy/sprint. maybe with storm shard but the slow is pretty short imo.

i often play this build with an aftershock mage, it works great because slowed foes dont get out of aftershock range after being knockdown while running.