Zealous string worth using on bows?
Rinoah
Just a quick question for you guys... Wanted to know what you rangers think about Zealous modifications on bows? Is the -1 energy regen worth it for +1 energy per hit, or do we not attack fast enough for this to be effective? Basically i'm debating on whether to use a Elemental String or Zealous string on my bow... any suggestions?
VividDream
I have both a zealous longbow and a zealous half moon. It's definitely worth it on the half moon and my energy regen is wonderful. It's still a little better with the long bow even without multiple attack skills (dual shot/barrage). The only time it's annoying is when you're not fighting... and who cares about that anyway? I also notice that I can rush into a battle without even recharging and still be effective, so I would say it's definitely worth it. Just my 2 cents.
Weezer_Blue
Yeah it's worth it. Especially on bows with a faster rate of fire such as Shortbows and Half Moons. I think that 1 arrow of regen = __ energy every 10 seconds. 1 or 2 or something like that. So as long as your RoF is better than 10 divided by that number, it's advantageous.
Jackell
The downside of playing a R/Ele.
God I wish I could use those. Their so awesome. I had one on my shortbow for a while. Absolutly beautful. With that and a high level of expertise, I hardly EVER ran out of energy.
God I wish I could use those. Their so awesome. I had one on my shortbow for a while. Absolutly beautful. With that and a high level of expertise, I hardly EVER ran out of energy.
Witchfinder General
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Originally Posted by Jackell
The downside of playing a R/Ele.
God I wish I could use those. Their so awesome. I had one on my shortbow for a while. Absolutly beautful. With that and a high level of expertise, I hardly EVER ran out of energy. |
Dreamsmith
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Originally Posted by Witchfinder General
Why can't a R/ele use them?
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And the magic number is 3: at one hit every three seconds, you break even on a zealous weapon. Anything faster than that and you're outpacing the pip of regen you lost, since one pip is one energy every three seconds.
Valerius
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I have both a zealous longbow and a zealous half moon. It's definitely worth it on the half moon and my energy regen is wonderful. It's still a little better with the long bow even without multiple attack skills (dual shot/barrage). |
Rinoah
Hmm... i play a Rng/Ele lightning based... so would it be best to go with shocking bow string and compound the lightning damage? Or would the energy gain from Zealous be better? o.O;;
Jackell
Shocking bowstring.
A Rng/Ele is usually more based around high damage, and that string will accomplish that.
A Rng/Ele is usually more based around high damage, and that string will accomplish that.
Gh0sT
Just as a little mathematical thingy...
With zealous bowstring (assuming bow with 2 sec refire rate):
2 Pips -> 2 energy per 3 seconds -> 4 energy per 6 seconds
1 energy per shot (right?) - > 3 energy per 6 seconds (3 shots)
Total 7 energy in 6 seconds
Without zealous bowstring:
3 pips -> 3 energy per 3 seconds -> 6 energy per 6 seconds
Total 6 energy in 6 seconds...
Of course this is when just shooting not incalculated are higher speed bows and speed buffs...
But as i look at it the difference isnt THAT much bigger (sure more energy is good), but as R/E you get a buff for 10 energy that lasts 60 seconds... i think that makes up for hte shorter buffs (like J.I.) the others will do...
With zealous bowstring (assuming bow with 2 sec refire rate):
2 Pips -> 2 energy per 3 seconds -> 4 energy per 6 seconds
1 energy per shot (right?) - > 3 energy per 6 seconds (3 shots)
Total 7 energy in 6 seconds
Without zealous bowstring:
3 pips -> 3 energy per 3 seconds -> 6 energy per 6 seconds
Total 6 energy in 6 seconds...
Of course this is when just shooting not incalculated are higher speed bows and speed buffs...
But as i look at it the difference isnt THAT much bigger (sure more energy is good), but as R/E you get a buff for 10 energy that lasts 60 seconds... i think that makes up for hte shorter buffs (like J.I.) the others will do...
Xellos
Barrage makes zealous a beast, same as hundred blades.
Jackell
Here, take all your skills. Figure out how much energy they cost after your expertise takes effect. Then, take away one more energy, for the hit. Now are you seeing how it works?
Expertise 13 - your skills that originally costed 5 now cost 2. With the zealous bow string, were talking Distracting shot costs 1 energy. Penetrating attack costs a whole 4, while pin down costs 6 and Concusion shot costs 11 energy.
It's not the string on it's own, it's the combinations with other skills. And hell, Barrage and DUal shot are basically going to be free for you.
Expertise 13 - your skills that originally costed 5 now cost 2. With the zealous bow string, were talking Distracting shot costs 1 energy. Penetrating attack costs a whole 4, while pin down costs 6 and Concusion shot costs 11 energy.
It's not the string on it's own, it's the combinations with other skills. And hell, Barrage and DUal shot are basically going to be free for you.
Gh0sT
aha... that way...
Crap and i choose R/E
Well i could always try out zealous bowstring, and dump conjure if i like zealous much better...
EDIT: though that doesnt take away that my calculation is still fairly correct, because you might get skills cheaper, my energy recharges faster without the string... doesnt that in some way even out... (of course the string would have the overhand at the start where you could spam away)
Plz tell me if im wrong, i could be totally looking at it the wrong way...
Let just take this example...
You use power shot with and without the string...
Normally (with 14 expertise it costs) it costs 4 energy...
So with the zealous bow it costs 3...
But in time it recharges (6 seconds) i would get 2 extra energy without the string from the extra blip on my recharge rate...
Of course you will pump out another attack in those 6 seconds or maybe even 2, but like i said wouldnt that even out a bit... ?
Though if you take barrage, with a recharge time of 1
Which costs (with 14 expertise) 2 energy, so 1 with the string
So that would cost 3 energy for 3 barrage attacks with string
and 6 - 1 (for the extra blip) = 5 energy for 3 barrage attacks without string..
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LOL sorry for the stupid maths all the time, im just a man that either has to have experianced a statement or get some arguments with good prove in it
Maybe im totally wrong because of course im not incalculating different attacks (like 1 barrage then something else)
Crap and i choose R/E


Well i could always try out zealous bowstring, and dump conjure if i like zealous much better...
EDIT: though that doesnt take away that my calculation is still fairly correct, because you might get skills cheaper, my energy recharges faster without the string... doesnt that in some way even out... (of course the string would have the overhand at the start where you could spam away)
Plz tell me if im wrong, i could be totally looking at it the wrong way...
Let just take this example...
You use power shot with and without the string...
Normally (with 14 expertise it costs) it costs 4 energy...
So with the zealous bow it costs 3...
But in time it recharges (6 seconds) i would get 2 extra energy without the string from the extra blip on my recharge rate...
Of course you will pump out another attack in those 6 seconds or maybe even 2, but like i said wouldnt that even out a bit... ?
Though if you take barrage, with a recharge time of 1
Which costs (with 14 expertise) 2 energy, so 1 with the string
So that would cost 3 energy for 3 barrage attacks with string
and 6 - 1 (for the extra blip) = 5 energy for 3 barrage attacks without string..
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LOL sorry for the stupid maths all the time, im just a man that either has to have experianced a statement or get some arguments with good prove in it
Maybe im totally wrong because of course im not incalculating different attacks (like 1 barrage then something else)