I get so sick of seeing the same moron 4 or 5 times per page of responses. Then I go to another forum, and, lo and behold, there's the same nimrod with 4 or 5 reponses on a page. This just makes me want to not read any forums. Thoughtful people don't need to see their name in pixels all over the place. Thoughtless people can either form more comprehensive responses, edit their existing responses, or beat their monitors into little pieces out of frustration.
John
Limit people to 5 posts per day, please
John TrickKnee
Alias_X
Ummm. I totally disagree with you. Some people have a lot of feedback for certain topics. For me, a forum is more interesting when people stick with a topic, and don't just post and never check it again. 4-5 posts in a row that all are centered around the same thing, that would annoy me, but come on, let people talk. Whats the use in eliminating peoples ability to talk on forums?
Lasareth
Double posting is against the rules. If you see a double post, report it. Spam posts are against the rules. If you see a spam post, report it.
Intelligent, analytical posts are not against the rules. Nor will they be. Elaborating on a new point that's brought up is not spamming, and it is not offensive in any manner. If you have a grudge against a specific user, just ignore them.
I think that covers just about all of the details.
Intelligent, analytical posts are not against the rules. Nor will they be. Elaborating on a new point that's brought up is not spamming, and it is not offensive in any manner. If you have a grudge against a specific user, just ignore them.
I think that covers just about all of the details.
sybban
As much as I hate people who post just make an appearance, limiting to 5 a day would kind of take away the purpose of posting. In no way could that ever happen. Instead of making a limit, have mods monitor people who post useless crap and take away priveleges if the persist. In the end it's all going to be based on opinion of what is crap and what is not
John TrickKnee
Thanks Lasareth, you covered everything nicely. I'll stop wasting my time wading through the 90% noise looking for the 10% signal.
John
John
Ristaron
I regularly post more than 5 times a day, simply because I have something to say that I feel will contribute enough to the thread to be worth it.
Limiting freedom of speech is not the way to go, but clicking the 'report bad post' icon more often is.
Limiting freedom of speech is not the way to go, but clicking the 'report bad post' icon more often is.
One and Two
Savio would get owned by a 5 post limit.
Savio
Actually, it might be possible to allow mods to make more than the 5 post a limit day. And I'd still have a ball editing everyone's posts.
Red Locust
I sympathize with you, John. You have no idea how big of a headache it gives us mods to see something like that.
Limiting it to 5 per day might be a bit on the fascism side, but if you see double posts or anything out of line, PM me or other mods asap and we'll take care of it (I think reporting a post sends us an email, and I don't regularly check the email I'm using for this site, so it might take a while longer). I know Savio gets kicks out of deleting posts on a regular basis
Limiting it to 5 per day might be a bit on the fascism side, but if you see double posts or anything out of line, PM me or other mods asap and we'll take care of it (I think reporting a post sends us an email, and I don't regularly check the email I'm using for this site, so it might take a while longer). I know Savio gets kicks out of deleting posts on a regular basis
ownage of teh elite
Maybe a 25 post per day limit?
Refreshes every 24 hours?
So people won't spam as much worthless comments as they are now.
Seriously, The forum is getting owned by people who are looking to gain ranking, by posting a worthless comment, or simply by typing one sentence that doesn't even help the topic at all.
It's getting old.
Refreshes every 24 hours?
So people won't spam as much worthless comments as they are now.
Seriously, The forum is getting owned by people who are looking to gain ranking, by posting a worthless comment, or simply by typing one sentence that doesn't even help the topic at all.
It's getting old.
Old Dood
Instead of putting a limit on them...just have the mods...delete or simply turn back the number of post the spammers have. Even Zero there post count.
That will put a Drop on their seat.....
That will put a Drop on their seat.....
John TrickKnee
I don't want to spend my time being faux mod. I'm not talking about double posting or objectionable posts, just the posts from people arguing about nothing over and over and over. They have little to nothing to contribute, but they just can't stop posting. Kind of like me. Also the OMFG THAT SO ROXXORZS type of post.
This is the kind of page that makes me never want to return to this thread. It has such fabulous features as: 3+ posts on the page by 3 or more people, 3 consecutive posts by one person (all different - EDIT HELLO), huge quotes for little or no reason, off-topic rants, name-calling, name-calling chastising. Yes, a true gem:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=79127&page=23
I think I understand why a posting limit will never be introduced here. Fan sites must be able to brag about being the best by showing a heavy post count. So, the posts I object to are the ones you want to pad your post count. Oh, and the revenue from ads comes from people creating and reading more and more pages. So, posting limit = lower ad revenue. Heck, you should hire me as a professional troll. I can get people to post uncontrollably with great ease.
John
This is the kind of page that makes me never want to return to this thread. It has such fabulous features as: 3+ posts on the page by 3 or more people, 3 consecutive posts by one person (all different - EDIT HELLO), huge quotes for little or no reason, off-topic rants, name-calling, name-calling chastising. Yes, a true gem:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=79127&page=23
I think I understand why a posting limit will never be introduced here. Fan sites must be able to brag about being the best by showing a heavy post count. So, the posts I object to are the ones you want to pad your post count. Oh, and the revenue from ads comes from people creating and reading more and more pages. So, posting limit = lower ad revenue. Heck, you should hire me as a professional troll. I can get people to post uncontrollably with great ease.
John
Inde
John,
A posting limit would never be introduced because the majority of people do not want it. This is a public forum for discussion and yes some of that, just like in real life, is mindless drivel. You can't very well go up to people in your office and ask them to stop conversation because you do not find it interesting or contributes to your work environment. And even with a 5 post a day limit there would still be some that got through. Then I'd have my email box flooded with people who wanted me to remove a post so they could post somewhere else, questions on why there is a 5 post a day limit (because only a small percentage of people even read the forum rules or guidelines), or people making multiple accounts so that they can post more.
So nothing changes.
Obvioulsy, from the page you posted... people were having a conversation. The moderators of this forum do so much more than you realize. There are hundreds upon hundreds of posts deleted every week. Hundreds of threads closed and moved to the appropriate sections. Hundreds of PM's between mods and users exchanged. This is a community, and if someone truly wants to make this community better then if they see a problem report it. We are happy to look into it.
A posting limit would never be introduced because the majority of people do not want it. This is a public forum for discussion and yes some of that, just like in real life, is mindless drivel. You can't very well go up to people in your office and ask them to stop conversation because you do not find it interesting or contributes to your work environment. And even with a 5 post a day limit there would still be some that got through. Then I'd have my email box flooded with people who wanted me to remove a post so they could post somewhere else, questions on why there is a 5 post a day limit (because only a small percentage of people even read the forum rules or guidelines), or people making multiple accounts so that they can post more.
So nothing changes.
Obvioulsy, from the page you posted... people were having a conversation. The moderators of this forum do so much more than you realize. There are hundreds upon hundreds of posts deleted every week. Hundreds of threads closed and moved to the appropriate sections. Hundreds of PM's between mods and users exchanged. This is a community, and if someone truly wants to make this community better then if they see a problem report it. We are happy to look into it.
Sister Rosette
Well John while I do disagree with the idea in question, you have to
think about that link you posted for a second.
It's a feedback poll. Everyone, read, EVERYONE thinks their opinion is
important, regardless of how it's presented and the thoughts behind it,
if any. Even if it's something as mundane as 'OMG MINIONS ARE TOO UBER NOW'
is posted with the intent that it will be taken into consideration and Minion
Masters will be nerfed within seconds of the post.
Which we all know, isn't the case.
Bitching begets bitching, etc etc.
If you can't beat em, ignore em hon.
I browse maybe....3-4 threads per visit here now.
Regardless, /unsigned
think about that link you posted for a second.
It's a feedback poll. Everyone, read, EVERYONE thinks their opinion is
important, regardless of how it's presented and the thoughts behind it,
if any. Even if it's something as mundane as 'OMG MINIONS ARE TOO UBER NOW'
is posted with the intent that it will be taken into consideration and Minion
Masters will be nerfed within seconds of the post.
Which we all know, isn't the case.
Bitching begets bitching, etc etc.
If you can't beat em, ignore em hon.
I browse maybe....3-4 threads per visit here now.
Regardless, /unsigned
Savio
Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage of teh elite
Maybe a 25 post per day limit?
Refreshes every 24 hours?
So people won't spam as much worthless comments as they are now.
Seriously, The forum is getting owned by people who are looking to gain ranking, by posting a worthless comment, or simply by typing one sentence that doesn't even help the topic at all.
It's getting old. Most people rarely if ever touch 25 posts per day. Most of the regular posters here float between 1-10 posts per day. The only ones who do are the hardcore spam... er, posters in Offtopic. They are perhaps the only people who care the slightest bit about ranking, and they usually stay in line better then the rest of the posters.
As for John, I don't remember where another mod said it, but there isn't a forum rule against idiocy. Sure, their points may be stupid and rather vague, but so long as it isn't "every other post" spam, flamebait, or otherwise breaking the rules, we can't delete just because we feel they're dumb. Well, we could, but we don't.
Refreshes every 24 hours?
So people won't spam as much worthless comments as they are now.
Seriously, The forum is getting owned by people who are looking to gain ranking, by posting a worthless comment, or simply by typing one sentence that doesn't even help the topic at all.
It's getting old. Most people rarely if ever touch 25 posts per day. Most of the regular posters here float between 1-10 posts per day. The only ones who do are the hardcore spam... er, posters in Offtopic. They are perhaps the only people who care the slightest bit about ranking, and they usually stay in line better then the rest of the posters.
As for John, I don't remember where another mod said it, but there isn't a forum rule against idiocy. Sure, their points may be stupid and rather vague, but so long as it isn't "every other post" spam, flamebait, or otherwise breaking the rules, we can't delete just because we feel they're dumb. Well, we could, but we don't.
Old Dood
Savio and Inde are correct. You just can't limit the posts like that. Trust me on this, I was just about to ask for Mod-Ship a month or so ago when all I saw in the Off Topic was one person's name on two whole pages. I was willing to go in and do some surgery. I would have been nice about it...however, FIRM!
Off-Topic forum is kind of a loop hole. It gets allot more slack then the other forums. That is it's function to be a catch all to the spam. I post allot in there because it is fun to talk with the kids. Get them thinking about other things besides just kid stuff. Then I will lurk in the other forums for ideas and tips.
Off-Topic forum is kind of a loop hole. It gets allot more slack then the other forums. That is it's function to be a catch all to the spam. I post allot in there because it is fun to talk with the kids. Get them thinking about other things besides just kid stuff. Then I will lurk in the other forums for ideas and tips.
Sarus
Quote:
The big problem of course is that "spam" means something different to everyone. I personally think guru is about 50% spam at the moment but I realize my definition of spam isn't in line with the majority.
BTW I love this new AJAX inline editing stuff. Sooooo cool. Wish I had the money for vB heh.
SOT
I think he has a point in the OP, but a 5 post limit is kinda small. I think one liner posts should be locked out completely (i am as guilty as anyone of this one sometimes) and I think that would really shorten the problem to a smaller realm. If you cannot post only one line per post, the nimrods will become overwhelmed and flabbergasted at the idea that, in order to be heard, they must complete a complete thought.
Old Dood
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOT
I think he has a point in the OP, but a 5 post limit is kinda small. I think one liner posts should be locked out completely (i am as guilty as anyone of this one sometimes) and I think that would really shorten the problem to a smaller realm. If you cannot post only one line per post, the nimrods will become overwhelmed and flabbergasted at the idea that, in order to be heard, they must complete a complete thought.
Well on the other hand...."Less can be more".
But, I understand what you are saying though....
But, I understand what you are saying though....
master_ranger_matt
no, please no. i have a lot more than 5 posts a day average.
d4nowar
I just get random bursts of wanting to post on forums, so I'll post about 20 times and then rest for a bit. I can't say I've ever had the entire first page of any forum, and I really don't want it. The people that do that though sometimes actually take the time to think up of responses for each one.
5 per day would be terrible. The buyers and sellers wouldn't like it one bit.
And what about the people helping out in the Q&A section?
Even 25 would be bad.
5 per day would be terrible. The buyers and sellers wouldn't like it one bit.
And what about the people helping out in the Q&A section?
Even 25 would be bad.
kg_lildude1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Warrior Dood
Savio and Inde are correct. You just can't limit the posts like that. Trust me on this, I was just about to ask for Mod-Ship a month or so ago when all I saw in the Off Topic was one person's name on two whole pages. I was willing to go in and do some surgery. I would have been nice about it...however, FIRM!
Off-Topic forum is kind of a loop hole. It gets allot more slack then the other forums. That is it's function to be a catch all to the spam. I post allot in there because it is fun to talk with the kids. Get them thinking about other things besides just kid stuff. Then I will lurk in the other forums for ideas and tips. i wonder who that was.... *cough*cough*cough*wheez*cough*
5 posts per day is very small, although i spend most my time in the OT, i usually post 10+ or more posts in the actual forums relating to in-game stuff and suggestions, if what i am interpreting from the OP's intentions, then we just just add a limit to how many times one person can post on a single page, that way theres no overall posting limit, but will cut down on what i think is the OP's problem
i also like SOT's idea of making one liners non-existant
Off-Topic forum is kind of a loop hole. It gets allot more slack then the other forums. That is it's function to be a catch all to the spam. I post allot in there because it is fun to talk with the kids. Get them thinking about other things besides just kid stuff. Then I will lurk in the other forums for ideas and tips. i wonder who that was.... *cough*cough*cough*wheez*cough*
5 posts per day is very small, although i spend most my time in the OT, i usually post 10+ or more posts in the actual forums relating to in-game stuff and suggestions, if what i am interpreting from the OP's intentions, then we just just add a limit to how many times one person can post on a single page, that way theres no overall posting limit, but will cut down on what i think is the OP's problem
i also like SOT's idea of making one liners non-existant
Old Dood
Yes..that spammer has come around....I may have misjudged him a little....He is a Fine Young Man.
John TrickKnee
Ummm. Where to start.
1. If public opinion is the ultimate determining factor, then the Nov 10 and 11 upgrade of Guild Wars should be removed. It won't be. It's good for the game. In polls, only the disgruntled turn out in large numbers. These are YOUR forums, not the users'. YOU get to make the rules. I assumed you could keep a daily post count in peoples' records and stop them automatically after 5 (or 10 or 42). I also assume you can track posters by IP address so that making multiple accounts would not defeat the tracker. You could even rig your email to auto-reply if key words such as "5 post limit" were found.
2. master_ranger_matt and d4nowar: Did you ever consider that you may be part of the problem? Are you still in high school? I am collecting data for my theory that post count is inversely proportional to age.
3. I never said or implied that mods don't do a lot to keep these forums clean. I can't say if you all do a good job or not since we mortals are in the dark about such activity.
4. A posting limit would not affect the CREATION of buy/sell ads since they are limited to one at a time anyway (at least sellers are). It would clearly affect people's ability to make multiple bids in a short time. Of course, they could always make one bid and edit that reply. Seems to me that you should be able to automate the enforcement of the seller thread limit, and also the bump rule without too much effort. Yeah, I'm a computer nerd, but MY card deck can beat up YOUR card deck.
5. I never considered the off-topic forum in my original suggestion. I have never even entered it much less read or posted anything there. I just assume it's a pig sty and that's fine.
6. Aww. You went and deleted some responses in the Nov 10/11 poll thread to which I referred earlier. Now it doesn't have the characteristics I described, and I look like a doofus to recent viewers. Well RED ENGINE GORE ENGINE BLUE ENGINE GREEN ENGINE GO.
7. Eliminating one-line posts will not help. People will just add enough garbage to make it two lines. Plus, to the user, a line has different lengths depending on your screen resolution, brower configuration, windowed or full-screen, etc.
8. I think there IS a rule that says replies must be on-topic. I'm not going to analyze the Nov 10/11 poll thread for % on-topic, cuz, well, I'm too lazy. BUT. Eons ago (like May 2005) I made a funny, completely non-offensive, one-line reply to a thread whose title was something like "what are the specs of your computer?" My tiny little reply was deleted for being off-topic, which, I could argue, it was not. So, I analyzed each of the 130+ replies as honestly as I could, and found exactly HALF of them to be off-topic ("man, 256Mb RAM suxx0rz you should get 512Mb it's really cheap" while true, was NOT on-topic, yet allowed to remain).
9. I have been playing necro a lot lately, just to unlock the skills, and I'm afraid I have bad news. Minion masters really are too powerful and need to be nerfed. Seriously. And I only have one elite skill (Order of the Vampire). I think making the undead minions un-healable would be a good start. Wait and see how that goes before adding more nerfs. Nah, I don't care whether Anet people see this suggestion or not.
John
1. If public opinion is the ultimate determining factor, then the Nov 10 and 11 upgrade of Guild Wars should be removed. It won't be. It's good for the game. In polls, only the disgruntled turn out in large numbers. These are YOUR forums, not the users'. YOU get to make the rules. I assumed you could keep a daily post count in peoples' records and stop them automatically after 5 (or 10 or 42). I also assume you can track posters by IP address so that making multiple accounts would not defeat the tracker. You could even rig your email to auto-reply if key words such as "5 post limit" were found.
2. master_ranger_matt and d4nowar: Did you ever consider that you may be part of the problem? Are you still in high school? I am collecting data for my theory that post count is inversely proportional to age.
3. I never said or implied that mods don't do a lot to keep these forums clean. I can't say if you all do a good job or not since we mortals are in the dark about such activity.
4. A posting limit would not affect the CREATION of buy/sell ads since they are limited to one at a time anyway (at least sellers are). It would clearly affect people's ability to make multiple bids in a short time. Of course, they could always make one bid and edit that reply. Seems to me that you should be able to automate the enforcement of the seller thread limit, and also the bump rule without too much effort. Yeah, I'm a computer nerd, but MY card deck can beat up YOUR card deck.
5. I never considered the off-topic forum in my original suggestion. I have never even entered it much less read or posted anything there. I just assume it's a pig sty and that's fine.
6. Aww. You went and deleted some responses in the Nov 10/11 poll thread to which I referred earlier. Now it doesn't have the characteristics I described, and I look like a doofus to recent viewers. Well RED ENGINE GORE ENGINE BLUE ENGINE GREEN ENGINE GO.
7. Eliminating one-line posts will not help. People will just add enough garbage to make it two lines. Plus, to the user, a line has different lengths depending on your screen resolution, brower configuration, windowed or full-screen, etc.
8. I think there IS a rule that says replies must be on-topic. I'm not going to analyze the Nov 10/11 poll thread for % on-topic, cuz, well, I'm too lazy. BUT. Eons ago (like May 2005) I made a funny, completely non-offensive, one-line reply to a thread whose title was something like "what are the specs of your computer?" My tiny little reply was deleted for being off-topic, which, I could argue, it was not. So, I analyzed each of the 130+ replies as honestly as I could, and found exactly HALF of them to be off-topic ("man, 256Mb RAM suxx0rz you should get 512Mb it's really cheap" while true, was NOT on-topic, yet allowed to remain).
9. I have been playing necro a lot lately, just to unlock the skills, and I'm afraid I have bad news. Minion masters really are too powerful and need to be nerfed. Seriously. And I only have one elite skill (Order of the Vampire). I think making the undead minions un-healable would be a good start. Wait and see how that goes before adding more nerfs. Nah, I don't care whether Anet people see this suggestion or not.
John
Inde
I'll respond to this quickly and then the subject will be closed.
These are public community boards. I am the admin and yes make the rules. We will not impose a 5 post limit, as has been stated in this thread previously by both a moderator and myself. Period.
You obviously do not understand IP's or the fact that people can have multiple IP's, can spoof IP's and my email box all ready receives upwards of 30+ emails a day from concerns on just the forums. I would like to respond to everyone personally, and while sometimes I might do a form letter I personally read all emails... I will never put any community member on an auto-responder.
I went back and edited the thread because you presented it as a problem. As I said before, I will be happy to look into any request that there might be spam, multiple posts by a person in a row, etc. I would think that community members would be happy that I quickly addressed their concerns and corrected the problem.
Your post is now bordering on flaming, is no longer contributing to this discussion (as I think it's been said by an admin, the mods, and now community members that they do not like this idea) and it will now be closed.
If you have any further concerns, comments or questions please feel free to PM me.
These are public community boards. I am the admin and yes make the rules. We will not impose a 5 post limit, as has been stated in this thread previously by both a moderator and myself. Period.
You obviously do not understand IP's or the fact that people can have multiple IP's, can spoof IP's and my email box all ready receives upwards of 30+ emails a day from concerns on just the forums. I would like to respond to everyone personally, and while sometimes I might do a form letter I personally read all emails... I will never put any community member on an auto-responder.
I went back and edited the thread because you presented it as a problem. As I said before, I will be happy to look into any request that there might be spam, multiple posts by a person in a row, etc. I would think that community members would be happy that I quickly addressed their concerns and corrected the problem.
Your post is now bordering on flaming, is no longer contributing to this discussion (as I think it's been said by an admin, the mods, and now community members that they do not like this idea) and it will now be closed.
If you have any further concerns, comments or questions please feel free to PM me.