1. Is that really possible? I mean, I can think of some REALLY hard quests and missions where this sounds preposterous
2. If so, which classes would be BEST suited?
Entire Game Solo With Henchies
Ginny
I am quite curious: I was listening to a conversation today and someone said that they had played the entire game through by soloing with henchies. That means every single quest and mission with only henchman.
1. Is that really possible? I mean, I can think of some REALLY hard quests and missions where this sounds preposterous
2. If so, which classes would be BEST suited?
1. Is that really possible? I mean, I can think of some REALLY hard quests and missions where this sounds preposterous
2. If so, which classes would be BEST suited?
chaos dragoon
to answer the question,no. there are probably more but this is a quest i know off my head that henchies cant do. high priest alkar. you need to split your group which cant be done with henchmen. one to get crystals, one to defend the high priest. at least i heard it cant be done with henchmen. if anyone has done it with hench only, feel free to prove me wrong.
Fyre Brand
Yes, this is definitely possible. There are some really hard missions and quests that require you to change your secondary or think way outside the box on your build.
As far as what class is best, well that would be the class you are most comfortable with. Knowing which henchies for different times is important. Sometimes you only want to bring 1 fighter type so Lina and Alesia/Mhenlo can focus healing on them, or you might want both for other times. Getting to know henchie AI is pretty crucial. You need to learn how to use them to aggro, how to pull them back, etc. It takes a little bit of getting used to.
I did this with my ranger with monk as a secondary until the desert. I used almost only monk skills for doing Thunderhead. After that I used mainly mesmer secondary for fire island missions.
It's fun to do this once, but now I have a lot more fun with Guildies. It's a lot harder to do than with guildies, but almost always easier to do it with henchies than with random pick up groups. Good luck.
PS: Denravi isn't as hard as it sounds. It is like the desert missions (only a lot easier) in that it just takes good timing and rhythm. T-Head can actually be one of the harder ones to do with the henchies because the last Mursaat swarm from both gates can just be a hell of an obstacle to negotiate.
As far as what class is best, well that would be the class you are most comfortable with. Knowing which henchies for different times is important. Sometimes you only want to bring 1 fighter type so Lina and Alesia/Mhenlo can focus healing on them, or you might want both for other times. Getting to know henchie AI is pretty crucial. You need to learn how to use them to aggro, how to pull them back, etc. It takes a little bit of getting used to.
I did this with my ranger with monk as a secondary until the desert. I used almost only monk skills for doing Thunderhead. After that I used mainly mesmer secondary for fire island missions.
It's fun to do this once, but now I have a lot more fun with Guildies. It's a lot harder to do than with guildies, but almost always easier to do it with henchies than with random pick up groups. Good luck.
PS: Denravi isn't as hard as it sounds. It is like the desert missions (only a lot easier) in that it just takes good timing and rhythm. T-Head can actually be one of the harder ones to do with the henchies because the last Mursaat swarm from both gates can just be a hell of an obstacle to negotiate.
VGJustice
on Aurora Glade, I remember seeing a post in the Strategy section about that being possible with henchies. I'd say, if you can do it, awesome, take pictures. If not, it's freakin' hard, so try harder >:D
mikysee
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Originally Posted by chaos dragoon
to answer the question,no. there are probably more but this is a quest i know off my head that henchies cant do. high priest alkar. you need to split your group which cant be done with henchmen. one to get crystals, one to defend the high priest. at least i heard it cant be done with henchmen. if anyone has done it with hench only, feel free to prove me wrong.
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Fyre Brand
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Originally Posted by mikysee
I tried doing this yesterday. I was able to get the 3rd crystal but the guy died as I was running back. I think it could be possible if I had run back earlier without the crystal, kill the patrol then go back for the 3rd one. Im not sure about the 4th one though.
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Here are some missions that can be a bit trickier with only henchies:
1. Sanctum Cay - build your skill set and party for the last rush
2. Elona's Reach - there is a best path and rhythm to this mission. doing the bonus as you go helps overall as the priests help kill and provide an aggro target.
3. Thirsty River - need to learn when to time the assault, when to pull back, and when to attack the priest as opposed to the other mops.
4. Thunderhead Keep - Kill rate and choosing which mops to kill first is key. Build to keep the King alive, but also to deliver good damage to the Mursaat. Hex removal is really nice if you're a caster.
5. I think it's called Abbadon's Mouth (the one where Khilibron buffs you and you have to breach the keeps gate) - The gate and the dual Mursaat boss at the second gate can go really wrong if you don't learn how to maneuver the henchies and also how and when to pull them back. These are all still easier with henchies than with uncooperative PUGs.
lord_shar
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Unless you're really clever about killing all the White Mantle, you won't win that way. The trick is to always keep at least one (two is better) pedestal attuned. You don't have to kill any White Mantle unless you've opted for the bonus. If you've opted for the bonus + mission at the same time you will have to keep pedestals attuned while killing off the White Mantle.
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sau970982
1. Should be ok... so far I've tried finishing all Missions except one (Thirsty River) with Henchman-only-team.
2. Monk would be a 'safe' choice; Being a caster/ranger is easy to control your Henchman team's movement; Warrior, in my opinion, is the hardest class.
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2. Monk would be a 'safe' choice; Being a caster/ranger is easy to control your Henchman team's movement; Warrior, in my opinion, is the hardest class.
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Originally Posted by Ginny
I am quite curious: I was listening to a conversation today and someone said that they had played the entire game through by soloing with henchies. That means every single quest and mission with only henchman.
1. Is that really possible? I mean, I can think of some REALLY hard quests and missions where this sounds preposterous 2. If so, which classes would be BEST suited? |
QuixotesGhost
I'd like to see someone do the bonus on Dunes of Despair (that's the one with the fort you have to defend right?) with henches... that'd really impress me.
Eldrig
i have used henchies up until thunderhead keep, and will be using henchies to beat it
the only mission i needed real players to beat was the dessert mission where i had to defend the guy and go attack shit at teh same time.
the high priest mission in SF i have almost done by running back to teh priest really fast, i believe it is possible, but a complete bitch
the only mission i needed real players to beat was the dessert mission where i had to defend the guy and go attack shit at teh same time.
the high priest mission in SF i have almost done by running back to teh priest really fast, i believe it is possible, but a complete bitch
Racthoh
Titan Source?
I will bow down to you for screenshots of that one.
I will bow down to you for screenshots of that one.
Eldrig
i dont know that mission, where is it at?
Rico Carridan
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Originally Posted by Ginny
I am quite curious: I was listening to a conversation today and someone said that they had played the entire game through by soloing with henchies. That means every single quest and mission with only henchman.
1. Is that really possible? I mean, I can think of some REALLY hard quests and missions where this sounds preposterous 2. If so, which classes would be BEST suited? |
Now, completing all of the game, including Sorrow's and all of the bonuses with henchies, I think would be quite a feat.
For a class, I would suggest mesmer or ranger, maybe with necro secondary. None of the henchmen have any interrupts, traps, or spirits, and none of them can make use of corpses.
Rico
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by Ginny
1. Is that really possible?
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The only mission I've never managed to do with henches is Aurora Glade.
Apart from that, I've completed the game four times with henches only. My avatars were a mo/e, w/mo, me/mo, and a w/me.
The w/me was definitely the hardest, the me/mo probably the easiest.
I didn't use runner, ever, but I did twink my later characters out with better weapons.
I think I could've done aurora solo if I used a class with good snares and had droknars armor.
Sorrows Furnace is doable as well, but the Titan quests after you complete the game are a different issue. The one in south shiverpeaks is pretty easy, but the others are IMO impossible to do with henches (lvl 6 henches vs lvl 28 mobs? good luck!)
Shukrut
Don't really know if it's possible or not. I've found some missions easier with henchies than with real players and vice versa... But just one thing comes to my mind... If you want to solo a whole game with AI helping you, why playing MMORPGs where the aim is actually team up with others and help each other? 
Hockster
Mainly because team up and help each other is virtualy impossible with non guildies.
Sister Rosette
No, it's not. Henchies aren't infused. Try Ring of Fire or Abbadon's Mouth
sometime. They drop like rocks.
sometime. They drop like rocks.
Former Ruling
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No, it's not. Henchies aren't infused. Try Ring of Fire or Abbadon's Mouth
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I know cause someone took me to get my mask infused and used an all henchie group except for us.
Photeus
There's only one mission that comes to mind at this question. Iron Mines of Maludune. Yes, the henches do great when you're making the assault towards the infusion area, but after you've been infused (or at least last time I played that mission with henches) the henches do not become infused with you.
Henches are damned hard to keep alive with Spectral agony and no infusion.
(Again, if they fixed that issue with the mission, to this question, I say, why not?)
Henches are damned hard to keep alive with Spectral agony and no infusion.
(Again, if they fixed that issue with the mission, to this question, I say, why not?)
Numa Pompilius
Photeus: it's a bug. If you're already infused and you're with an all-hench team, they don't get infused. You get the message everyone's been infused, but as you've noticed the henches haven't really.
The solution is to buy and bring some cheap armor, and when you get to the healer, wear it. Then the uninfused piece gets infused - and so do the henches!
And henches own in ring of fire/abbaddons.
The solution is to buy and bring some cheap armor, and when you get to the healer, wear it. Then the uninfused piece gets infused - and so do the henches!
And henches own in ring of fire/abbaddons.
coolsti
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Originally Posted by chaos dragoon
to answer the question,no. there are probably more but this is a quest i know off my head that henchies cant do. high priest alkar. you need to split your group which cant be done with henchmen. one to get crystals, one to defend the high priest. at least i heard it cant be done with henchmen. if anyone has done it with hench only, feel free to prove me wrong.
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I did this 4 times, once for each crystal. It was hard work, but it can be done.
I also remember I did the Iron Mines with infusion and with bonus with henchies only. I don't know how I did this, since henchies supposedly are not infused, but I did manage it. I also easilly did Thunderkeep with henchies, and I was not playing a monk.
Except for UW and FOW where henchies aren't allowed, and maybe for the post-game titan quests, you can do anything in this game with only henchies. You just need to know how to play with them. This means how to attack and lure, when to target and when to fall back so that your tanking henchy warriors also fall back at the correct time. It becomes sort of like fishing, trying to pull some enemies back from bigger mobs.
Playing with henchies has the advantage that they target exactly who you target, which is most efficient. So just remember to not change your target too rapidly, it will confuse the henchies and cause them to switch targets too often. But playing with henchies is no where near as much fun as playing with a GOOD group of human players. Unfortunately, that is somewhat difficult to find sometimes, but a mix of part henchy and part human is a great alternative.
coolsti
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Photeus: it's a bug. If you're already infused and you're with an all-hench team, they don't get infused. You get the message everyone's been infused, but as you've noticed the henches haven't really.
The solution is to buy and bring some cheap armor, and when you get to the healer, wear it. Then the uninfused piece gets infused - and so do the henches! And henches own in ring of fire/abbaddons. |
Darn! have to remember that.
Digitalblast
I have done every mission and quest in the game with henchies several times over. Its super easy with ele. I have yet to do any of the SF quests though with only henchies.
Raptox
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I've seen henchies own through the mainlands of Iron Mines >_>
I know cause someone took me to get my mask infused and used an all henchie group except for us. |
Would ANet be able to officially answer this question?
Greene Axe
I have a guildmate solo through every mission past yaks bend -- and provided pictures to prove it! I wouldn't suggest it unless you are very bored and have way to much time on your hands.
DeanBB
I found Thirsty River and Elona Reach were made easy with all henchies when playing either a wa/mo or ne/mo and running Succor on both Alesia and Lina. That extra energy for them makes them much more effective, and I finished both with no deaths. The monk boss at the end of TR took forever to drop though.
Wa/mo can get by with just adrenaline skills and signets, ne/mo gets soul reaping to feed energy. Don't take skills that are too expensive though.
For Iron Mines, if you get infused and just finish the mission there are only 1-2 mursaat to fight at a time so completing it with just henchies is no big deal. Bring a rez along just in case though.
For the Alkar quest in SF, he is a pretty tough bugger on his own. What if you just put a couple of enchantments on him to protect him then went to fight for the crystals? Life Bond, Mending, Succor, something like that? Anyone tried?
Wa/mo can get by with just adrenaline skills and signets, ne/mo gets soul reaping to feed energy. Don't take skills that are too expensive though.
For Iron Mines, if you get infused and just finish the mission there are only 1-2 mursaat to fight at a time so completing it with just henchies is no big deal. Bring a rez along just in case though.
For the Alkar quest in SF, he is a pretty tough bugger on his own. What if you just put a couple of enchantments on him to protect him then went to fight for the crystals? Life Bond, Mending, Succor, something like that? Anyone tried?
Jetdoc
I have personally done every quest and mission through the desert missions solo WITHOUT henchmen. I also did all of the desert quests solo, and did the desert missions with one other partner (two of us, no henchmen).
I haven't been able to finish the shiverpeak missions without a large group yet, but I'm toying with ways of doing that as well.
Given that, I believe that it is completely possible to do the entire game with henchmen. It just takes time and a TON of patience.
I haven't been able to finish the shiverpeak missions without a large group yet, but I'm toying with ways of doing that as well.
Given that, I believe that it is completely possible to do the entire game with henchmen. It just takes time and a TON of patience.
TyLLy_4
Specially now that HEnchies have improved AI and they run from AoE spells ........ (iv had henchies in the desert standing in top of traps and staying there while i heal them with my w/mo)
linh
Yes, most missions and quests can do with henchies. Their AI have been improved, and they are much better than a random group if you control them well.
In Alkar quest, if you go too far from him, all entchantments will be removed.
In Alkar quest, if you go too far from him, all entchantments will be removed.
ikelleigh
I am here to tell you that I finished 99% of the missions / quests and bonus missions with just henchies (including Thunderhead, High priest Alkar, Iron Mines, and all of the Ascention missions... Jesus, I even went all the way up through Lornar's Pass from Camp Rankor just to get a collector bow... that was 2 hours of stress). As a R/Me it was quite challenging, but doable. Not something to try if you are impatient for sure. Many of the missions I had to do over a couple of times just to get a feel for what was needed to happen and what fails and succeeds. The Titan quests are pretty much not doable with henchmen. You need more team work with those bad boys.
The one sure advantage of being a Ranger is that you can choose groups to pull in to your hench mob and let them have the smack down while you interrupt healers etc.
Another thing to consider is what henchies to hire. Don't hire the Ranger if you are Ranger etc. When you get to the 8 party limits, get the tanks and BOTH Monks. If you are a caster, hire the Necro for energy recharging. If you see one of your Monks getting spanked, make sure to target the aggressor and continue on.
Also, this is a good rule of thumb for any battles, including without henchies... if there is a boss mob, target and kill the minions first then target the boss.
Anyway, I've also done about 95% of the game again with just henchies as an E/Me. This was of course, before the new patch came out that really messed with the AI.
Good luck!
The one sure advantage of being a Ranger is that you can choose groups to pull in to your hench mob and let them have the smack down while you interrupt healers etc.
Another thing to consider is what henchies to hire. Don't hire the Ranger if you are Ranger etc. When you get to the 8 party limits, get the tanks and BOTH Monks. If you are a caster, hire the Necro for energy recharging. If you see one of your Monks getting spanked, make sure to target the aggressor and continue on.
Also, this is a good rule of thumb for any battles, including without henchies... if there is a boss mob, target and kill the minions first then target the boss.
Anyway, I've also done about 95% of the game again with just henchies as an E/Me. This was of course, before the new patch came out that really messed with the AI.
Good luck!
Jczech
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I don't know why, but sometimes I see what you're saying, and other times I see what Rosette is saying. I'll have a group of henchies one mission that are bona fide Mursaat slayers, and then the next time around I'll have lost three in the first five seconds. Random infusion doesn't make sense, and for story purposes you'd think the henchies would be infused after you complete Iron Mines.
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Originally Posted by Update – Wednesday, June 8
Changed the way armor infusion quests work. The seer now infuses all of your currently worn pieces of armor, but the infusion effect is slightly reduced in power in order to preserve the intended challenge of the following missions.
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Improved Henchmen in missions beyond Iron Mines of Moladune. They now have three pieces of armor infused instead of one.
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For the Alkar quest in SF, he is a pretty tough bugger on his own. What if you just put a couple of enchantments on him to protect him then went to fight for the crystals? Life Bond, Mending, Succor, something like that? Anyone tried?
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Doooom
I looked for a party for Thirsty River for about an hour, tried one and failed miserably twice. Tried with one player and 4 henchies, finished first try. LOL!
Mister Overhill
Ran my e/mo and n/me through Aurora (main mission -- not bonus), by not engaging the mantle at all, just outrunning them.
Meaux Feaux
How did anyone do the pre-sear quest "across the wall" Solo? I mean if you did every quest and mission solo how did you do that?? How did you get the rez sig in pre sear?
Sphinx2k
Yes it is Possible i have done it myself when i went though my 3rd char i was tired of PuG grps who couldn't listen and got us all killed. As for the high priest alkar quest that was one of the easy ones go ahead kill all til the first cystal drops they quickly run back to priest and wait for the enemy to come kill then move out to the second.third,forth and everytime a cryistal drops quickly run back or if u see his health dropping, And yes even titan source is doable simply start from droks get your henchies and fight all the way back 
Tarkin
Yes u can do all quests and missions with only henchs ( i do high priest, thunder head, desert... kill glitch...), but some quests and missions will do to hard as bored to do only with henchs...
High priest u must go to first area of crystals, and dont fight run back the first patrols is coming... kill and go to area of crystal... when u kill the crystal keeper the second patrol will come run and defend priest...
Or make like me... in the begin of quest has a team of foes.. kill all and let a necro foe alive... i cant remenber his name... bid something... dont mather a necro foe... and run... let preist fight them... them will fight forever no one can kill... run get crystals kill patrols and return to help priest...
Well the titans quests are veryyyyyyyyyyyyy hard to do with henchs... like DNK... i think this will impossible... but u can have lots of fun only with henchs...
High priest u must go to first area of crystals, and dont fight run back the first patrols is coming... kill and go to area of crystal... when u kill the crystal keeper the second patrol will come run and defend priest...
Or make like me... in the begin of quest has a team of foes.. kill all and let a necro foe alive... i cant remenber his name... bid something... dont mather a necro foe... and run... let preist fight them... them will fight forever no one can kill... run get crystals kill patrols and return to help priest...
Well the titans quests are veryyyyyyyyyyyyy hard to do with henchs... like DNK... i think this will impossible... but u can have lots of fun only with henchs...