I think warriors should have some type of blind removal or something that ignores blind. They already have skills that ignore other's "block" and "evade" skills, (warriors cunning) so there should be something that ignores or at least reduces the effect of blind. It is so easy and there are so many ways to blind a warrior, but removing/ignoring it is impossible without monk skills. I have been trying out a warrior in PvP and so many times I have gone nearly an ENTIRE battle being blinded. Since my secondary was Ele, there wasnt much I could do except wait for my energy to regen to use my ele skills.
So here is an idea for a warrior skill to help with that problem.
Skill Name: Piñata
skill type: Strength
Cost: 10 energy Cast: 1 sec Recast: 30 sec
Description:
Stance. For 5-10 seconds you ignore the effects of blind and have a 33% increase in attack speed but have a 50% chance to miss.
The 50% chance to miss would prevent people from using the skill purely to increase attack speed and the 33% increase would make up partially for that. Makes it much better than being blinded.
(Please no warrior bashing)
Blind Removal
Kool Pajamas
Mordakai
LOL!
Seriously, though, can't a Warrior/Monk use Purge Condition on themselves?
Seriously, though, can't a Warrior/Monk use Purge Condition on themselves?
film
elementalist, mesmers, and monks should have an al of 85 also
The Acolyte
I have a warrior, but I think the last thing the warrior needs is more uberness. I personally like the fact that Monks need to assit warriors for remvong the condition. Plus, doesn't purge conditions remove blindness (sorry, I'm being lazy and not looking up the skill 
) If it does, then assuming it's not divine then a W/Mo can remove blindness if they are really concerned about it...
Acolyte Devathi
) If it does, then assuming it's not divine then a W/Mo can remove blindness if they are really concerned about it...Acolyte Devathi
The Acolyte
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Originally Posted by The Acolyte
I have a warrior, but I think the last thing the warrior needs is more uberness. I personally like the fact that Monks need to assit warriors for remvong the condition. Plus, doesn't purge conditions remove blindness (sorry, I'm being lazy and not looking up the skill
) If it does, then assuming it's not divine then a W/Mo can remove blindness if they are really concerned about it...Acolyte Devathi |
Acolyte Devathi
Kool Pajamas
If you actually read it I SAID
"but removing/ignoring it is impossible without monk skills."
What is wrong with this? I think it is well balanced. It has a 30 recharge time so that you cant use it over and over. There will still be times when he is blinded. Why should only W/Mo's be capable of removing? A warrior can prevent blocks and evades, why not blind?
And there is no way in hell that a warrior is "uber". There are PLENTY of ways of taking down warriors. I've played them. This shouldnt be a way.
"but removing/ignoring it is impossible without monk skills."
What is wrong with this? I think it is well balanced. It has a 30 recharge time so that you cant use it over and over. There will still be times when he is blinded. Why should only W/Mo's be capable of removing? A warrior can prevent blocks and evades, why not blind?
And there is no way in hell that a warrior is "uber". There are PLENTY of ways of taking down warriors. I've played them. This shouldnt be a way.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
If you actually read it I SAID
"but removing/ignoring it is impossible without monk skills." What is wrong with this? I think it is well balanced. It has a 30 recharge time so that you cant use it over and over. There will still be times when he is blinded. Why should only W/Mo's be capable of removing? A warrior can prevent blocks and evades, why not blind? |
Yes, being Blind, having Pacifism cast on you sucks...
But so does having Backfire cast on you if you're a Elementalist, or if your spell keeps getting interrupted.
It's called Game Balance, and it keeps one Profession from being better than all the rest... (except for Mesmer, who rules them all! Bwa-ha-ha!)
EDIT: Wait, this is PvP? Where is your Monk?!? I thought you were talking PvE... (which really sucks, cause Alesia will not Purge Condition on you. Ever.)
The Acolyte
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
If you actually read it I SAID
"but removing/ignoring it is impossible without monk skills." What is wrong with this? I think it is well balanced. It has a 30 recharge time so that you cant use it over and over. There will still be times when he is blinded. Why should only W/Mo's be capable of removing? A warrior can prevent blocks and evades, why not blind? |
Now lets think from a game balancing standpoint. I'll be totally honest and state more of the Monk class spells shouldn't even be available for warriors (and vice versa). That would significantly balance out the classes, but I'm sure MANY people will disagree with me here. Not that it matters...I have both w/mo and mo/w builds and can live with thier uberness as two fanastic combinations. However, I personally am a believer that the warrior primary class should be heavily reliant on the monk primary class the same way primary ele's (the ones not trying to tank) should be heavily reliant on the primary necro class. Not quite sure how rangers and mesmers can relate
Anyway, I like your proposal from a "it'll help the warrior class" point of view, but just don't agree with it from a game balancing view. Just my two cents.
Acolyte Devathi
bkriley
Well I'm a W/Mo and I want to use Fire Storm but you can't unless you are a Ele. so I got an idea for a new skill.......
Pick your poison if you want to remove blindness yourself pick your secondary as Monk if you want Fire Storm pick Ele.
Pick your poison if you want to remove blindness yourself pick your secondary as Monk if you want Fire Storm pick Ele.
Kool Pajamas
NO class should be Heavily reliant on ANY class. And to restate one of my comments since I edited it late
"And there is no way in hell that a warrior is "uber". There are PLENTY of ways of taking down warriors. I've played them. This shouldnt be a way."
An Ele being backfired is different than a warrior being blinded. An Ele can still cast a powerful spell while being backfired, he will just take some damage. When a warrior is blinded he does nearly NOTHING AT ALL except use his secondary which is really tough to do when you only have 2 pip of energy regen.
"And there is no way in hell that a warrior is "uber". There are PLENTY of ways of taking down warriors. I've played them. This shouldnt be a way."
An Ele being backfired is different than a warrior being blinded. An Ele can still cast a powerful spell while being backfired, he will just take some damage. When a warrior is blinded he does nearly NOTHING AT ALL except use his secondary which is really tough to do when you only have 2 pip of energy regen.
The Acolyte
ummm...anyone heard of spell breaker???? LMFAO That'll piss an ele off quickly...it does me. It's not like the staves really do that much damage...
Oh, and I disagree on the "NO class should be heavily reliant on ANY class" comment. It's part of the teamwork model, and helps ensure that all classes have a purpose and niche to fill.
Acolyte Devathi
Oh, and I disagree on the "NO class should be heavily reliant on ANY class" comment. It's part of the teamwork model, and helps ensure that all classes have a purpose and niche to fill.
Acolyte Devathi
Goonter
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
NO class should be Heavily reliant on ANY class.
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But, having classes thats reliant on support classes isnt that bad in game design.
...it fosters teamwork.
Kool Pajamas
And spell breaker has to recharge, which my suggested skill also does. You cant use it over and over and over to ignore blind permanantly. If you think its still too powerful then increase recharge to 45 seconds. And still you havent mentioned about warriors being able to ignore "blocks" and "evades". Block and evade works about the same as blind except its not a condition and it is put on the one being attacked, not the warrior and a warrior has skills to stop that.
ALSO this is NOT a condition REMOVER. You still have blind on you, but you are ignoring its effects TEMPORARILY. So it is not out of line for a warrior.
ALSO this is NOT a condition REMOVER. You still have blind on you, but you are ignoring its effects TEMPORARILY. So it is not out of line for a warrior.
The Acolyte
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Originally Posted by Goonter
Id say, "No class should be Heavily reliant on ANY ONE OTHER class."
But, having a classes thats reliant on support classes isnt that bad in game design. ...it fosters teamwork. |
Acolyte Devathi
AeroLion
Try secondary necro and plague touch if you don't want to go monk.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
And spell breaker has to recharge, which my suggested skill also does. You cant use it over and over and over to ignore blind permanantly. If you think its still too powerful then increase recharge to 45 seconds. And still you havent mentioned about warriors being able to ignore "blocks" and "evades". Block and evade works about the same as blind except its not a condition and it is put on the one being attacked, not the warrior and a warrior has skills to stop that.
ALSO this is NOT a condition REMOVER. You still have blind on you, but you are ignoring its effects TEMPORARILY. So it is not out of line for a warrior. |
Sorry, dude, but no one likes your idea, not even other Warriors. What really gets my goat is your talking about PvP, which is all about team work and locking down other characters. Of course your Warrior is getting Blinded, that's the Eles job. It's your Monks job to prevent that from happening.
EDIT: Regarding Blocks and Evades, you say it yourself: "Block and evade works about the same as blind except its not a condition and it is put on the one being attacked, not the warrior and a warrior has skills to stop that. "
Blocks and evades are skills used by an opponent to counter your attack skills, they're not placed on you. They basically create a kind of chess game for War on War action.
Plus, Blocks and Evades TOTALLY stop the attack (unless countered), Blind just stops 90% of attacks. That is a difference.
Kool Pajamas
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Originally Posted by AeroLion
Try secondary necro and plague touch if you don't want to go monk.
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Kool Pajamas
Blindness can be caused by many proffessions. Pacifism only by monks. The difference.
derrtyboy69
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Originally Posted by AeroLion
Try secondary necro and plague touch if you don't want to go monk.
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Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
Blindness can be caused by many proffessions. Pacifism only by monks. The difference.
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You have a W/Ele, right? Why not take Obsidian Flesh? Won't help against Rangers, but it will against Air Elementalists...
Goonter
Ive always felt that rangers should also be team condition removers and healers to a lesser degree of what monks are.
examples...
Antidote Signet
Remove Blindness, Posion or Disease and gain immunity to the removed condition for 8-20 seconds.
-/2/8
First Aid
Remove Bleeding, Burning or Cripple and heal for 60-100 health on target other ally.
10/2/10
Troll Ungent
For 10 seconds, touched target ally gains Health regenation +3-10.
5/3/10
Healing Spring
Healing Spring is triggered if allies health is below 50% thier maximum health. For 10 seconds, all allies in the area are healed for 15-60 every 2 seconds. While activating this skill you are easily interrupted.
10/2/20
Nature's Healing
Create a level 1-10 Spirit. For creatures within its range healing is reduced by 20%. Any creature that touches this spirit is healed once for 30-120 points. This Spirit dies after 30-60 seconds.
15/5/60
examples...
Antidote Signet
Remove Blindness, Posion or Disease and gain immunity to the removed condition for 8-20 seconds.
-/2/8
First Aid
Remove Bleeding, Burning or Cripple and heal for 60-100 health on target other ally.
10/2/10
Troll Ungent
For 10 seconds, touched target ally gains Health regenation +3-10.
5/3/10
Healing Spring
Healing Spring is triggered if allies health is below 50% thier maximum health. For 10 seconds, all allies in the area are healed for 15-60 every 2 seconds. While activating this skill you are easily interrupted.
10/2/20
Nature's Healing
Create a level 1-10 Spirit. For creatures within its range healing is reduced by 20%. Any creature that touches this spirit is healed once for 30-120 points. This Spirit dies after 30-60 seconds.
15/5/60
darkdragon99
well trained warriors in real life can keep fighting while blinded through concentration and use of all the rest of there sences. i see nothing wrong with such a skill as a stance that improves your ability to hit your enemy while blinded i mean if it's do able in real life y not in a game
would have to be a elite skill
would have to be a elite skill
Pardoz
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It is so easy and there are so many ways to blind a warrior
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Mordakai
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Or Necro skills. Or Ranger skills. Out of the five possible Wa/X combinations, three can remove blindness from themselves; the other two have to either rely on their teammates to do it for them or use their secondaries to remain effective when blinded. Seems just fine to me.
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And W/El can prevent Spell Blindness. W/Me can easily interrupt the person trying to blind....
There! Problem solved w/o any new skill needed.
Whew, that wasn't too hard, was it?
Rico Carridan
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Originally Posted by The Acolyte
I have a warrior, but I think the last thing the warrior needs is more uberness. I personally like the fact that Monks need to assit warriors for remvong the condition. Plus, doesn't purge conditions remove blindness (sorry, I'm being lazy and not looking up the skill
) If it does, then assuming it's not divine then a W/Mo can remove blindness if they are really concerned about it...Acolyte Devathi |
Now, if you're W/R, there's antidote signet, which while isn't spectacular, will clear blindness.
If you're W/N, you have plague touch. If you are feeling really mean (not recomended) there's, I think it's called plague signet (elite).
W/Me can't clear blindness, but has hex breaker and hence can clear hexes which can be just as debilitating as blind.
Rico
twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
If you actually read it I SAID
"but removing/ignoring it is impossible without monk skills." |
twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
If you actually read it I SAID
"but removing/ignoring it is impossible without monk skills." |
EDIT: stupid double post.
TadaceAce
yes nerf blind and ruin dust trap and make hundred of guilds scrap tombs builds because they now lose to iway every time they meet
Blind is the single most best defense against big fat no skill iway, sure lets nerf it and ruin all the good builds that rely on it.
Blind is the single most best defense against big fat no skill iway, sure lets nerf it and ruin all the good builds that rely on it.
NatalieD
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Originally Posted by Rico Carridan
W/Me can't clear blindness, but has hex breaker and hence can clear hexes which can be just as debilitating as blind.
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TadaceAce
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
NO class should be Heavily reliant on ANY class. And to restate one of my comments since I edited it late
"And there is no way in hell that a warrior is "uber". There are PLENTY of ways of taking down warriors. I've played them. This shouldnt be a way." An Ele being backfired is different than a warrior being blinded. An Ele can still cast a powerful spell while being backfired, he will just take some damage. When a warrior is blinded he does nearly NOTHING AT ALL except use his secondary which is really tough to do when you only have 2 pip of energy regen. |
oh now he whines there are plenty of ways to take down warriors, would you like fries with that....
There are plenty of ways to take down a warrior, what do you expect to be invincible... right now balance is incredibly good given for the first time ever people are making true builds that don't rely on one overpowered combo (iway is the exception but iway is beaten easily its more a quick fame and faction sploit then a winner).
NatalieD
The susceptibility of warriors to blindness, weakness, kiting, and the myriad anti-attack hexes is what makes them balanced. Warriors can put out tremendous damage when unmolested, and have the best armor around.
There's always a tradeoff.
There's always a tradeoff.
Lady Ting
Plauge ftw
Kool Pajamas
/sigh.
Maybe its not as bad as I originally said, but, you are all still missing the point. I give up. Forget this whole thing.
Maybe its not as bad as I originally said, but, you are all still missing the point. I give up. Forget this whole thing.
Lou
It's why you have a prot monk running martyr or why you bring mend condition or antidote signet or pruge of something...and you made some really stupid points like why you should be forced to be reliant on a second class (which you're not).
Xue Yi Liang
sarcasm-> Say, my Mo/Me gets mobbed every time in PvP. It's not fair - since I'm the first to die if nobody's protecting me. Maybe they should have a Monk skill that makes me immune to knockdown attacks or immune to melee damage.
no sarcasm-> It's hard to pity a warrior who can pounce on a Mesmer or Monk ... blinding is one of the few skills we can apply in our arsenal for self defense. Part of building my Monk or Mesmer for PvP is figuring out how I can deal with Warrior attacks - that goes with the territory. Similarly, part of building a Warrior for PvP is figuring out how to deal with kiting or blindness, right?
no sarcasm-> It's hard to pity a warrior who can pounce on a Mesmer or Monk ... blinding is one of the few skills we can apply in our arsenal for self defense. Part of building my Monk or Mesmer for PvP is figuring out how I can deal with Warrior attacks - that goes with the territory. Similarly, part of building a Warrior for PvP is figuring out how to deal with kiting or blindness, right?
Laurelin Goldtree
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
LOL!
Seriously, though, can't a Warrior/Monk use Purge Condition on themselves? |
Please, don't scoff at an idea just because you play the most common profession combination and expect us to do so as well.
Reading Further: Forgot all about Plague Touch/Sending and Antidote Sig. I had a W/R and used it all the time, but I deleted her (I'm just not cut out for tanking) and I guess I forgot the importance of this skill. W/Me and W/E are still screwed though.
imaginary friend
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Originally Posted by Rico Carridan
Um... purge conditions cures ALL conditions at once. If you have poison, blind, bleeding, cripple, and disease on you, purge will clear them all. And no, it is not elite. It doesn't even require any investment of attribute points! If you are W/Mo, you *certainly* have no excuse not to be able to treat your own conditions if you need to.
Now, if you're W/R, there's antidote signet, which while isn't spectacular, will clear blindness. If you're W/N, you have plague touch. If you are feeling really mean (not recomended) there's, I think it's called plague signet (elite). W/Me can't clear blindness, but has hex breaker and hence can clear hexes which can be just as debilitating as blind. Rico |
, might have to create a necro and take out that warrior in yaks arena who uses virulence
Guardian of the Light
I do believe there is a green shield that quickens recovery from blindness but ti costs a lot.
So there is a way to remove blindness ...kind of....
So there is a way to remove blindness
...kind of....
Kool Pajamas
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Originally Posted by Laurelin Goldtree
Yeah...Warrior/Monk can remove it...but the OP was W/Ele, I play W/N or W/R, some people play W/Me and others play without their secondary skills at all....what are we to do when we're blinded then?
Please, don't scoff at an idea just because you play the most common profession combination and expect us to do so as well. Reading Further: Forgot all about Plague Touch/Sending and Antidote Sig. I had a W/R and used it all the time, but I deleted her (I'm just not cut out for tanking) and I guess I forgot the importance of this skill. W/Me and W/E are still screwed though. |
I changed to w/r and w/n anyway. Plague Signet is awesome in random arena for my w/n. Everytime those rangers throw a thousand conditions on me i can transfer all of it back to him instantly. hehehehehehe.
imaginary friend
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Originally Posted by film
elementalist, mesmers, and monks should have an al of 85 also
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