I am thinking of leaving these forums..
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shanksie
No in fairness arbiter (and anyone else), having sub - forums is something i have been considering for some time. Whether to divide them by weapon type, continent (USA / Eu) or by some other factor is just one of the stumbling blocks atm.
I personally think subforums would be a GREAT idea, but division based on continent is IMO completely useless... Any bi-continental trade can be done in international districts, so it really doesn't matter as far as that goes. I think a high-end forum would be best, since in order to keep the number of useless threads down, most sellers have many items in one thread. Having weapon types in different sections would make what used to be 1 thread into 5 or 6 different threads. Needless clutter IMO.
I would suggest at least trying a system where there are subforums for the various types of items, along with an "old-school" subforum for those who want to do the traditional multi-type auction. The only way to really know if this is a good idea would be to test it.
Quote: Originally Posted by Aria
Quote: Originally Posted by Aria
Flaming a person who has flamed you is still considered flaming.
That should be added to the guidelines, since some people don't seem to get it.
I think this is well....kinda uncalled for...I see nothing wrong with the way things are being ran...They have rules for a reason...You are not the one that made the rules, you do not run these forums...Let them run things the way they have been...Without rules and guidelines there would be chaos...It's not the mod's fault or the admin's fault for banning people for breaking the rules...If you were banned, I'm sure there was good reason behind it...And if you think it was unjust, then speak with the mods about it and I'm sure they'd find some way to work with you...But the way I see things, is if you don't like the way of these forums, then maybe it's best that you did leave...It makes it easier on the mods to not have to deal with people who won't simply comply with the rules...
i agree that the forum really does need new mods who are a little more understanding and most of all not so up tight about the rules which i think need to be more flexible. People are bieng banned so easily for stupid reasons namely the bump rule. I am a prime example of this. When i first started these forums my thread was closed for what i now know as bumping, i was just given a link to the rules but as stupid as it may sound i couldnt understand bumping rule maybe because this is the first forum i have ever used. So in my next thread i made the same mistake again. A few people were actually kind enough to expain this rule to me. Now aware of this rule but unaware both my previous bumps were counted as official warnings i posted my opinion about someone who was bumping purposely and said he deserved to be banned as did many other people. Yes this was off topic but the mods could have been some what more lenient than just giving me a 1 week ban. I was really upset about this, prior to this ban i didnt even know i was on my first official warning let alone my third. Since i genuinely didnt understand the rule I really dont think those first two bumps should have been counted as official rule breaking and hence 2 official warnings. i was only told today that they did when i pm'd a mod. Finally yesterday i broke the flaming rule but i was upset at having previously being banned and now someone was making me out to be a bad trader and flaming about me so i flammed back in defence.
With this little story told i am on my last warning and as pathetic as it may sound im really upset about this. i really used to like this forum but now it just seems so unorganised and the mods are just looking for brownie points by being so harsh about the rules. i think you need to be a little more understanding.
I really feel i should be cleared of my last warning i will openely admit i deserve to have a warning for flaming but not for mistakenly bumping or just giving sharing an opinion on the forum.
where is the justice in this? i think my avatar says it all
With this little story told i am on my last warning and as pathetic as it may sound im really upset about this. i really used to like this forum but now it just seems so unorganised and the mods are just looking for brownie points by being so harsh about the rules. i think you need to be a little more understanding.
I really feel i should be cleared of my last warning i will openely admit i deserve to have a warning for flaming but not for mistakenly bumping or just giving sharing an opinion on the forum.
where is the justice in this? i think my avatar says it all
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Originally Posted by Marik-Strife
Having no Life FTW!
PWR 2 NO LIFE!
Rofl,Well you see I would love having a job as a limited time moderator I promise I would be as mature and hard working as possible.
PS:I have no life ONLY In the winter when it's cold.I hate the cold,I am in hibernation mode here is my day:
Wake up,Go to the gym work out lift weights etc,come home make a pwr shake and take a shower,make something to eat,get on msn talk to some people,get on GWG and GW. Not to start a flame war or anything but here my 2 cent!
*turn on my mic*
ok... I believe that the rules is kind of too strict. I mean, if you can't bump in 24 hours there no way in hell your post of items will be notice until next days. Also there is too many people posting items for sells. I think its time for us to get two section on sells forum (one for high-end items-- all those perfect trashs.. and the regular... uncommon stuffs)
It kind of sad to see two of my sell post not get any loves from no one. It seems that EVERYONE got 100k to spend on the crazyest items out there. No offense (not a flame war peeps) but if you don't know shit about Guild Wars and your buying perfect weapons, there is no way in hell you can do anything right in GW to begin with. Other than taking that items and sell it for more.. which i admit.. everyone do it from time to time.
The rules.. hmm. i not sure about putting more mods for this will help at all. I think, the rules should be 12 hours instead of 24 hour bump time and there should be more section on the sell forum to separate all the items from the best to the worst. Therefore, it would spread out all those newly posted thread to different section.
Well, Marik-Strife if you leave.. i can understand why and hope you can find a forum out there that is cool as GWG.
*Turn off mic*
PWR 2 NO LIFE!
Rofl,Well you see I would love having a job as a limited time moderator I promise I would be as mature and hard working as possible.
PS:I have no life ONLY In the winter when it's cold.I hate the cold,I am in hibernation mode here is my day:
Wake up,Go to the gym work out lift weights etc,come home make a pwr shake and take a shower,make something to eat,get on msn talk to some people,get on GWG and GW. Not to start a flame war or anything but here my 2 cent!
*turn on my mic*
ok... I believe that the rules is kind of too strict. I mean, if you can't bump in 24 hours there no way in hell your post of items will be notice until next days. Also there is too many people posting items for sells. I think its time for us to get two section on sells forum (one for high-end items-- all those perfect trashs.. and the regular... uncommon stuffs)
It kind of sad to see two of my sell post not get any loves from no one. It seems that EVERYONE got 100k to spend on the crazyest items out there. No offense (not a flame war peeps) but if you don't know shit about Guild Wars and your buying perfect weapons, there is no way in hell you can do anything right in GW to begin with. Other than taking that items and sell it for more.. which i admit.. everyone do it from time to time.
The rules.. hmm. i not sure about putting more mods for this will help at all. I think, the rules should be 12 hours instead of 24 hour bump time and there should be more section on the sell forum to separate all the items from the best to the worst. Therefore, it would spread out all those newly posted thread to different section.
Well, Marik-Strife if you leave.. i can understand why and hope you can find a forum out there that is cool as GWG.
*Turn off mic*
not to be mean but i find it funny how when i like many others are trying to sell a perfect or rare item but it never gets seen because people post up their sells on items not even worth 500g. Like a longsword req 13 14-20 with no dmaage mod or something. I agree they need to somehow have a higher end sale and a lower ened sale.
*Bubba Lips
*Bubba Lips
Quote:
Originally Posted by uzumaki
i agree that the forum really does need new mods who are a little more understanding and most of all not so up tight about the rules which i think need to be more flexible. People are bieng banned so easily for stupid reasons namely the bump rule. I am a prime example of this. When i first started these forums my thread was closed for what i now know as bumping, i was just given a link to the rules but as stupid as it may sound i couldnt understand bumping rule maybe because this is the first forum i have ever used. So in my next thread i made the same mistake again. A few people were actually kind enough to expain this rule to me. Now aware of this rule but unaware both my previous bumps were counted as official warnings i posted my opinion about someone who was bumping purposely and said he deserved to be banned as did many other people. Yes this was off topic but the mods could have been some what more lenient than just giving me a 1 week ban. I was really upset about this, prior to this ban i didnt even know i was on my first official warning let alone my third. Since i genuinely didnt understand the rule I really dont think those first two bumps should have been counted as official rule breaking and hence 2 official warnings. i was only told today that they did when i pm'd a mod. Finally yesterday i broke the flaming rule but i was upset at having previously being banned and now someone was making me out to be a bad trader and flaming about me so i flammed back in defence.
With this little story told i am on my last warning and as pathetic as it may sound im really upset about this. i really used to like this forum but now it just seems so unorganised and the mods are just looking for brownie points by being so harsh about the rules. i think you need to be a little more understanding.
I really feel i should be cleared of my last warning i will openely admit i deserve to have a warning for flaming but not for mistakenly bumping or just giving sharing an opinion on the forum.
where is the justice in this? i think my avatar says it all I agree with U Zu Ma Ki over here.
But also the free bump thing..it was one item that had gotten all those free bumps the one with an extremely rare collector's item the Crystalline Sword Coolyguy owned.I have never seen any other threads in all my times here ever gotten all those free bumps,You should make a rule like only 1 24 hour bump and you may only recieve only 1 free bump..That'd make it fair wouldn't it?
The high end thing I TOTALLY Agree on also,Nice idea there.
And one thing Shanksie:
The point is you DID call a person an idiot did you not? I understand the person broke the rules a few times but YOU have no right to call the person an idiot,that's flaming in a way isn't it? She[I believe it was] Sorta flamed/raged you in a way by breaking the rules twice so You flamed back by calling the person an idiot.
And I sended a PM To Aria about being a mod,I would really like to be given a shot as being a moderator going by the rules now.Ventari's sell does need more understanding mods[such as my self] I am basicly on 24/7[Have no Life because fired from work :>].
I really hope something does happen to ventari's sell for the best of it.
With this little story told i am on my last warning and as pathetic as it may sound im really upset about this. i really used to like this forum but now it just seems so unorganised and the mods are just looking for brownie points by being so harsh about the rules. i think you need to be a little more understanding.
I really feel i should be cleared of my last warning i will openely admit i deserve to have a warning for flaming but not for mistakenly bumping or just giving sharing an opinion on the forum.
where is the justice in this? i think my avatar says it all I agree with U Zu Ma Ki over here.
But also the free bump thing..it was one item that had gotten all those free bumps the one with an extremely rare collector's item the Crystalline Sword Coolyguy owned.I have never seen any other threads in all my times here ever gotten all those free bumps,You should make a rule like only 1 24 hour bump and you may only recieve only 1 free bump..That'd make it fair wouldn't it?
The high end thing I TOTALLY Agree on also,Nice idea there.
And one thing Shanksie:
The point is you DID call a person an idiot did you not? I understand the person broke the rules a few times but YOU have no right to call the person an idiot,that's flaming in a way isn't it? She[I believe it was] Sorta flamed/raged you in a way by breaking the rules twice so You flamed back by calling the person an idiot.
And I sended a PM To Aria about being a mod,I would really like to be given a shot as being a moderator going by the rules now.Ventari's sell does need more understanding mods[such as my self] I am basicly on 24/7[Have no Life because fired from work :>].
I really hope something does happen to ventari's sell for the best of it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shanksie
One suggestion i will make:
All items get posted into a standard forum, as is the case now. And once the BIDDING exceeded a set amount - say 100k / 250k / 500k / 750k / 1000k then the thread would be moved (by an admin) into the high-end forum. This way the BIDS prove what a "high end" item is, and it is not down to some ones opinion. (obviously anyone bidding 1000k on a 14-20 white long sword will get moderated).
thoughts....
{i'm not saying it WILL happen, i am proposing a solution to a problem as presented in this thread) You know a perfect items will exceed 100k and even if it doesn't get one bid in the first few days.. can the mods automatically move it to the high-end forum. Also what about regular items posting and no one is give damn about the things you selling? I mean, its so hard to find someone who is actually looking for items that they can used rather than to take it and sell it for twice the buying price. I think the solution should be making a type of auctioning forum space where items is posted on to a main page. And people from everywhere can place bids.
My idea is like a auction house but only in forum form. We submit our items for sells to different mods and they post it or sticky it into a main page for selling. (so there would be 100 or more weapons being posted on a single thread) than we can place bids and the bumping can actually be done by mods to push the thread up (if its sticky thread.. no need for bumping) You might asked, how would you know which items is which? Simple, we all got a name, we can inital it with a number than place that with the group of items that you got. For example, i got bunch of bows for sells, i submit my list of items and my name (sir skulkcrasher) make it SS1 with all the items to signal that those items belong to me.
[this solution is VERY complicate and i'm sure that once we get a real auction house in game.. it would be pointless.. but just my thought on what to do to make the sell forum better]
All items get posted into a standard forum, as is the case now. And once the BIDDING exceeded a set amount - say 100k / 250k / 500k / 750k / 1000k then the thread would be moved (by an admin) into the high-end forum. This way the BIDS prove what a "high end" item is, and it is not down to some ones opinion. (obviously anyone bidding 1000k on a 14-20 white long sword will get moderated).
thoughts....
{i'm not saying it WILL happen, i am proposing a solution to a problem as presented in this thread) You know a perfect items will exceed 100k and even if it doesn't get one bid in the first few days.. can the mods automatically move it to the high-end forum. Also what about regular items posting and no one is give damn about the things you selling? I mean, its so hard to find someone who is actually looking for items that they can used rather than to take it and sell it for twice the buying price. I think the solution should be making a type of auctioning forum space where items is posted on to a main page. And people from everywhere can place bids.
My idea is like a auction house but only in forum form. We submit our items for sells to different mods and they post it or sticky it into a main page for selling. (so there would be 100 or more weapons being posted on a single thread) than we can place bids and the bumping can actually be done by mods to push the thread up (if its sticky thread.. no need for bumping) You might asked, how would you know which items is which? Simple, we all got a name, we can inital it with a number than place that with the group of items that you got. For example, i got bunch of bows for sells, i submit my list of items and my name (sir skulkcrasher) make it SS1 with all the items to signal that those items belong to me.
[this solution is VERY complicate and i'm sure that once we get a real auction house in game.. it would be pointless.. but just my thought on what to do to make the sell forum better]
/sign
I have to also agree with UZUMAKI. I made an account reciently and put up an auction. after a couple of hours I bumped. I was a little familiar with bumping but I didn't know about the rules. I admit I should have read the guidelines first. But my point is I am new to this forum and my first auction was closed because of my ill-knowledge of the the bumping rule; It shouldn't have been closed right away but at least give me my first warning and if you must lock it for a couple of hours. Second and third offenses should be stricter but give a warning first.
Other than that I agree that we should have sub forums seperated on types of items. It will definetly be more user friendly to actually find items 10x faster than searching through the 100+ pages of auctions.
EDIT : IMO Shortening the bump rule would be unecessary (from 24-12h) if the sell forum was divided as stated above. There wouldn't be as many auctions to scroll through instead of just having one forum for auctions.
Edit: /unsign MO about the bump thing was sort of childish but I still stand firm and think the mods should really incorporate subforums for items under selling. And I truly am grateful for the mods dedicated work.
I have to also agree with UZUMAKI. I made an account reciently and put up an auction. after a couple of hours I bumped. I was a little familiar with bumping but I didn't know about the rules. I admit I should have read the guidelines first. But my point is I am new to this forum and my first auction was closed because of my ill-knowledge of the the bumping rule; It shouldn't have been closed right away but at least give me my first warning and if you must lock it for a couple of hours. Second and third offenses should be stricter but give a warning first.
Other than that I agree that we should have sub forums seperated on types of items. It will definetly be more user friendly to actually find items 10x faster than searching through the 100+ pages of auctions.
EDIT : IMO Shortening the bump rule would be unecessary (from 24-12h) if the sell forum was divided as stated above. There wouldn't be as many auctions to scroll through instead of just having one forum for auctions.
Edit: /unsign MO about the bump thing was sort of childish but I still stand firm and think the mods should really incorporate subforums for items under selling. And I truly am grateful for the mods dedicated work.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marik-Strife
And one thing Shanksie:
The point is you DID call a person an idiot did you not? I understand the person broke the rules a few times but YOU have no right to call the person an idiot,that's flaming in a way isn't it? She[I believe it was] Sorta flamed/raged you in a way by breaking the rules twice so You flamed back by calling the person an idiot. If calling someone an idiot is the worst of my crimes then tbph i am a happy mod. I'll not defend it, and you never know there may even be a user note on my profile for it (i can't actually see my own user notes). Maybe i don't have any right at all, maybe i do - maybe it was me abusing my power or maybe once, just once out of the 123981027321 other idiots that i have had to deal with *but kept silent* i let my control slip just the once. Either way you are perfectly free to report ANY of my activities that you feel need attention to the Admins of this site.
Back on topic - if you have any concerns regarding the SELL forum - let us know.
EDIT - In reply to the users that think that having the first thread closed for whatever violation is unfair then the simple answer is that the guidelines are posted and stickied and if you chose not to read them then it's nobodies fault but your own. Ignorance is not an excuse. Harsh - maybe but then you don't have to spend time and effort moderating it all. Especially when you are moderating a thread from a new user and thinking "why on earth did you not bother to read the rules before you posted" - i know i certainly managed to read the guidelines before i posted. If we did allow users with less than say 10 posts some leniency then we'd simply be having this conversation about users complaining " i had 13 posts - i am new and i didn't know".
Putting it bluntly - it's your opinion that "your new and you didn't know, so you should be treated differently". It's our opinion that everyone gets treated equally. You would be amazed at the number of ppl that do exactly as you have outlined:
> User joins GwG
> User post thread
> User bumps thread within 24 hours
*thread gets closed by a mod*
> User then reads guidelines and then never breaks them again.
Which in my opinion just reinforces the point that no lesson is learned aswell as a hard lesson. Of course we'd all like to live in a world where everyone read the rules before posting, and once the user has read the rules they follow them always but this simply doesn't happen.
Lastly (before i go to bed), the sell forum is probably the busiest part of GwG and it's usually the place people go first. So we have to send a message to everyone - these are the guidelines and if you don't follow them you will be moderated (sounds like something Arnie would say :X).
Shanksie
The point is you DID call a person an idiot did you not? I understand the person broke the rules a few times but YOU have no right to call the person an idiot,that's flaming in a way isn't it? She[I believe it was] Sorta flamed/raged you in a way by breaking the rules twice so You flamed back by calling the person an idiot. If calling someone an idiot is the worst of my crimes then tbph i am a happy mod. I'll not defend it, and you never know there may even be a user note on my profile for it (i can't actually see my own user notes). Maybe i don't have any right at all, maybe i do - maybe it was me abusing my power or maybe once, just once out of the 123981027321 other idiots that i have had to deal with *but kept silent* i let my control slip just the once. Either way you are perfectly free to report ANY of my activities that you feel need attention to the Admins of this site.
Back on topic - if you have any concerns regarding the SELL forum - let us know.
EDIT - In reply to the users that think that having the first thread closed for whatever violation is unfair then the simple answer is that the guidelines are posted and stickied and if you chose not to read them then it's nobodies fault but your own. Ignorance is not an excuse. Harsh - maybe but then you don't have to spend time and effort moderating it all. Especially when you are moderating a thread from a new user and thinking "why on earth did you not bother to read the rules before you posted" - i know i certainly managed to read the guidelines before i posted. If we did allow users with less than say 10 posts some leniency then we'd simply be having this conversation about users complaining " i had 13 posts - i am new and i didn't know".
Putting it bluntly - it's your opinion that "your new and you didn't know, so you should be treated differently". It's our opinion that everyone gets treated equally. You would be amazed at the number of ppl that do exactly as you have outlined:
> User joins GwG
> User post thread
> User bumps thread within 24 hours
*thread gets closed by a mod*
> User then reads guidelines and then never breaks them again.
Which in my opinion just reinforces the point that no lesson is learned aswell as a hard lesson. Of course we'd all like to live in a world where everyone read the rules before posting, and once the user has read the rules they follow them always but this simply doesn't happen.
Lastly (before i go to bed), the sell forum is probably the busiest part of GwG and it's usually the place people go first. So we have to send a message to everyone - these are the guidelines and if you don't follow them you will be moderated (sounds like something Arnie would say :X).
Shanksie
I dont get why people are worrying about the 24 hour bump. Yes 12 hours would make it easier for people to see your items. The people that actually want your items are the people who will pay the most. These people will just learn to use the search tool (there is a search tool). I believe the 12 hours will create unneeded chaos.
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Wow I can't believe people are bent out of shape. I never had problems following the rules here. I make my auction and I bump every 24 hours. How hard is that?
While I don't always agree with the mods here, I don't think they've gone out of line here in the Sell Forums. It's a tough job moderating here when a new thread pops up every few minutes and threads are constantly getting bumped up.
Again, I don't see why the fuss over the rules. You HAVE to realize it's going to be tough getting exposure for your sales when a billion other people are selling as well. If you can't follow the simple rules then I don't think a ban is that harsh at all.
While I don't always agree with the mods here, I don't think they've gone out of line here in the Sell Forums. It's a tough job moderating here when a new thread pops up every few minutes and threads are constantly getting bumped up.
Again, I don't see why the fuss over the rules. You HAVE to realize it's going to be tough getting exposure for your sales when a billion other people are selling as well. If you can't follow the simple rules then I don't think a ban is that harsh at all.
K
Wow I see this thread getting outrageously out of control. This thread was stickied so all could take part in a discussion to better OUR forums. All this finger pointing and complaining is getting us no where.
Like it or not the rules are just that, rules. As such it is our job to enforce them. I see alot of people here complaining about getting a thread locked/closed when it's there first time posting. Why on earth should first time posters be given leniancy that people who have been posting for months don't get? It is not our fault you didn't read the rules. What is good for one is good for all and that includes members of our staff.
Now certain leniancy can be given to someone who let's say posts 30 mins before 24 hours is up. These things we understand. Of course your not always around to post exactly at the 24 hour mark.
Please look at it from a Moderating standpoint. With the ammount of threads/posts made in the sell areas of guru a day I personally(and I'm sure I speak for other mods when I say this) don't have time to lock a thread for 3 hours then go back later and unlock it. I also don't see any reason to. Break the rules and serve your time, then go read the rules and begin posting anew. I'm sickof getting pm's here on the forums as well as in game,over aim, over MSN etc complaining about getting a thread closed, or getting banned. I personally have no control over the latter so if you come to me about a ban your barking up the wrong tree.
Now as for bannings. Most users are allowed the traditional 3 strikes and your out. This includes all sorts of devious acts such as flaming, trolling, bumping early, posting 2 auctions in a day, and giving out free bumps. There are only a few reasons for people to get an instant ban such as creating multiple accounts to boost sales, or trying to sell accounts for GW/RL money.
As far people leaving these forums, We were glad to have you as a member for however long you stayed. I gaurantee you will not find a better trading forum than this(believe me I know of them all) but good luck in your future endevors.
/end anti - anti moderator rant
Now moving along....
I have read most of the suggestions here and believe I have a good feel for what the community is looking for as a whole. I used to moderate a site way back in the day pertaining to the selling of diablo 2 items. this site was setup by traders for traders and quickly overpowered the still famous diabloii.net trade forums.
There layout was unique and sticking to that formula I suggest the following:
A breakdown of the sell forum into smaller more specific forums. I believe this will help people keep attention on there item and keep it from hitting page 8 10 mins after they post it. I suggest we break it down into forums such as:
-Trade Lists
-Weapons(Bow,Axe,Sword)
-Weapons(Wands,Staves,Focci)
-Shields
-Misc(Runes,Crafting supllies,Upgrades)
-l337items section(Not sure I like this yet but with some work on it's content, availability etc it might just work)
Let's face it. The current forum set up worked great when we ha d a smaller member base. Now that we've grown so big,and continue to do so I strongly believe it's time for an upgrade. Following the layout I suggested will not only improve peoples ability to sell items, it will also save them time not having to sift through the stuff they are not interested in, Save space so peoples threads stay visible longer, and save us time finding guideline violaters. Plus if ya vote for me for class president I promise to make everyday pizza day!
~Nef~
Like it or not the rules are just that, rules. As such it is our job to enforce them. I see alot of people here complaining about getting a thread locked/closed when it's there first time posting. Why on earth should first time posters be given leniancy that people who have been posting for months don't get? It is not our fault you didn't read the rules. What is good for one is good for all and that includes members of our staff.
Now certain leniancy can be given to someone who let's say posts 30 mins before 24 hours is up. These things we understand. Of course your not always around to post exactly at the 24 hour mark.
Please look at it from a Moderating standpoint. With the ammount of threads/posts made in the sell areas of guru a day I personally(and I'm sure I speak for other mods when I say this) don't have time to lock a thread for 3 hours then go back later and unlock it. I also don't see any reason to. Break the rules and serve your time, then go read the rules and begin posting anew. I'm sickof getting pm's here on the forums as well as in game,over aim, over MSN etc complaining about getting a thread closed, or getting banned. I personally have no control over the latter so if you come to me about a ban your barking up the wrong tree.
Now as for bannings. Most users are allowed the traditional 3 strikes and your out. This includes all sorts of devious acts such as flaming, trolling, bumping early, posting 2 auctions in a day, and giving out free bumps. There are only a few reasons for people to get an instant ban such as creating multiple accounts to boost sales, or trying to sell accounts for GW/RL money.
As far people leaving these forums, We were glad to have you as a member for however long you stayed. I gaurantee you will not find a better trading forum than this(believe me I know of them all) but good luck in your future endevors.
/end anti - anti moderator rant
Now moving along....
I have read most of the suggestions here and believe I have a good feel for what the community is looking for as a whole. I used to moderate a site way back in the day pertaining to the selling of diablo 2 items. this site was setup by traders for traders and quickly overpowered the still famous diabloii.net trade forums.
There layout was unique and sticking to that formula I suggest the following:
A breakdown of the sell forum into smaller more specific forums. I believe this will help people keep attention on there item and keep it from hitting page 8 10 mins after they post it. I suggest we break it down into forums such as:
-Trade Lists
-Weapons(Bow,Axe,Sword)
-Weapons(Wands,Staves,Focci)
-Shields
-Misc(Runes,Crafting supllies,Upgrades)
-l337items section(Not sure I like this yet but with some work on it's content, availability etc it might just work)
Let's face it. The current forum set up worked great when we ha d a smaller member base. Now that we've grown so big,and continue to do so I strongly believe it's time for an upgrade. Following the layout I suggested will not only improve peoples ability to sell items, it will also save them time not having to sift through the stuff they are not interested in, Save space so peoples threads stay visible longer, and save us time finding guideline violaters. Plus if ya vote for me for class president I promise to make everyday pizza day!
~Nef~
Maybe a little disjointed (long day at work), but here are my thoughts:
I think the rules are fine the way they are, but I also believe that more mods are probably necessary to ensure consistent enforcement of the rules. It does seem that some threads get several "illegal" bumps before mods get to them while some are dealt with almost immediately.
Bans are certainly a harsh way to deal with a "problem poster", but sometimes it's necessary. Ignorance of the rules shouldn't be an acceptable excuse - GWG has a reasonable expectation that users will read and understand the rules before they dive in. It's not as if it's difficult to find the forum rules! Don't understand a rule? PM a mod and request clarification instead of taking the trial-and-error route.
Can GWG be configured to include a "I have read and understand the rules" button that must be agreed to before the account becomes active? You could plunk a cookie on the computer (or associate it with the account name) so this question wouldn't be asked every time a user visited, but this might inspire people to read the rules and ask questions if they had any. Of course, this is probably wishful thinking (how many people actually read EULA's?), but it certainly shifts the onus off GWG mods to babysit...
Bumping every 24 hours is probably frequent enough. If the limit gets reduced to 12 hours, we'll just end up with 43254356 people bumping their threads every 12 hours instead of 24 hours, and the OP probably won't get much more front-page exposure than they're getting now.
The rule about "nice item" bumps also makes sense to me. Sure, it might be a fantastic item, but not having this rule in place really opens up the door to a lot of abuse. If I put a weapon up for auction and had a different in-game friend (guildmates might be too obvious) bump it with a "nice item" comment every couple of hours, I could potentially never have my item leave the front page.
Personally, I'd like to see more moderation in the sell forum...but I'll leave those suggestions in the feedback forum.
I think the rules are fine the way they are, but I also believe that more mods are probably necessary to ensure consistent enforcement of the rules. It does seem that some threads get several "illegal" bumps before mods get to them while some are dealt with almost immediately.
Bans are certainly a harsh way to deal with a "problem poster", but sometimes it's necessary. Ignorance of the rules shouldn't be an acceptable excuse - GWG has a reasonable expectation that users will read and understand the rules before they dive in. It's not as if it's difficult to find the forum rules! Don't understand a rule? PM a mod and request clarification instead of taking the trial-and-error route.
Can GWG be configured to include a "I have read and understand the rules" button that must be agreed to before the account becomes active? You could plunk a cookie on the computer (or associate it with the account name) so this question wouldn't be asked every time a user visited, but this might inspire people to read the rules and ask questions if they had any. Of course, this is probably wishful thinking (how many people actually read EULA's?), but it certainly shifts the onus off GWG mods to babysit...
Bumping every 24 hours is probably frequent enough. If the limit gets reduced to 12 hours, we'll just end up with 43254356 people bumping their threads every 12 hours instead of 24 hours, and the OP probably won't get much more front-page exposure than they're getting now.
The rule about "nice item" bumps also makes sense to me. Sure, it might be a fantastic item, but not having this rule in place really opens up the door to a lot of abuse. If I put a weapon up for auction and had a different in-game friend (guildmates might be too obvious) bump it with a "nice item" comment every couple of hours, I could potentially never have my item leave the front page.
Personally, I'd like to see more moderation in the sell forum...but I'll leave those suggestions in the feedback forum.