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Is it worth it to sacrifices 75 health?
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I doubt I will ever see a reason to not have a superior warrior weapon rune. . .in PvP. If you mean in PvE, then I think it depends on what you want to run. If you wish to be a meat shield, then no, you don't want the weapon rune, but you may want a superior tactics rune, if you are using a lot of tactics-based skills.
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Originally Posted by Former Ruling
Simple answers are no, Sup runes aren't worth it MOST of the time. Only if health isn't a big concern.
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as far as i know, superior runes are only required in "invincimonk" builds. (builds that take advantage of the health loss and Protective Spirit's <10% damage reduction.)
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Originally Posted by heist23
most people would say yes, as a superior axe mastery would give a Tiger's Fury axe build the extra punch it needs.
i'd also agree, as superior runes give that much-needed +3 in any attribute line. if you ever use a superior rune, though, try not to use any major or superior runes with it. |
as far as im concerned only minor and superior runes are useful.
there is NO excuse not to have minor runes. superior runes, however, come with a question; is the added 2 points to a skill worth the loss of 75 HP? i'd say the answer is pretty much a guerenteed "yes." that having been said, the maximum "base" hp (without skills, spells, etc) is 590 (480+50+30+30).
so with a superior rune this brings you down to 515 HP; a pretty decent amount.
now i can tell you, at first i was a little hesitant to keep my sup swordsmanship rune, because 75 hp is quite a bit when you're talking numbers as small as they are in GW. however, the damage was a MAJOR pay-off. it upped my 2 sword skills final strike and galrath slash from 34 to 40 damage, and my "bonus" (the increase in damage you receive for every skill level +12) damage by an inherent 10% or so. i've now been using the sup swordsmanship rune for a bit over a month, and i'd never go back.
however, i would NOT use 2 sup warrior runes in combination unless you needed them to increase a certain skill to meet item requirements, in order for you to be able to divulge more points into a non-warrior class skill-line.
example; you need 11 tactics to function, but you want to put more points into beast mastery, so you get a sup tactics rune, putting you at 13 tactics, then drop it by 2 points (backt to 11) in order to put more points into beast-mastery.
that is the only concieveable reason i can think of for a warrior to use more than 1 "penalty rune" (obviously excluding sup absorb/vigor).
w/rs.
the build is most commonly an axe warrior with:
tigers fury + eviscerate, executioners, axe twist, axe rake, etc
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tigers fury + cleave, executioners, disrupting chop, wild blow, etc
there is NO excuse not to have minor runes. superior runes, however, come with a question; is the added 2 points to a skill worth the loss of 75 HP? i'd say the answer is pretty much a guerenteed "yes." that having been said, the maximum "base" hp (without skills, spells, etc) is 590 (480+50+30+30).
so with a superior rune this brings you down to 515 HP; a pretty decent amount.
now i can tell you, at first i was a little hesitant to keep my sup swordsmanship rune, because 75 hp is quite a bit when you're talking numbers as small as they are in GW. however, the damage was a MAJOR pay-off. it upped my 2 sword skills final strike and galrath slash from 34 to 40 damage, and my "bonus" (the increase in damage you receive for every skill level +12) damage by an inherent 10% or so. i've now been using the sup swordsmanship rune for a bit over a month, and i'd never go back.
however, i would NOT use 2 sup warrior runes in combination unless you needed them to increase a certain skill to meet item requirements, in order for you to be able to divulge more points into a non-warrior class skill-line.
example; you need 11 tactics to function, but you want to put more points into beast mastery, so you get a sup tactics rune, putting you at 13 tactics, then drop it by 2 points (backt to 11) in order to put more points into beast-mastery.
that is the only concieveable reason i can think of for a warrior to use more than 1 "penalty rune" (obviously excluding sup absorb/vigor).
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Originally Posted by rugal nuker
tiger's fury build? lol,tiger's fury is for rangers...is it? don get it..
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the build is most commonly an axe warrior with:
tigers fury + eviscerate, executioners, axe twist, axe rake, etc
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tigers fury + cleave, executioners, disrupting chop, wild blow, etc
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Originally Posted by Akhilleus
as far as im concerned only minor and superior runes are useful.
there is NO excuse not to have minor runes. superior runes, however, come with a question; is the added 2 points to a skill worth the loss of 75 HP? i'd say the answer is pretty much a guerenteed "yes." that having been said, the maximum "base" hp (without skills, spells, etc) is 590 (480+50+30+30). so with a superior rune this brings you down to 515 HP; a pretty decent amount. now i can tell you, at first i was a little hesitant to keep my sup swordsmanship rune, because 75 hp is quite a bit when you're talking numbers as small as they are in GW. however, the damage was a MAJOR pay-off. it upped my 2 sword skills final strike and galrath slash from 34 to 40 damage, and my "bonus" (the increase in damage you receive for every skill level +12) damage by an inherent 10% or so. i've now been using the sup swordsmanship rune for a bit over a month, and i'd never go back. however, i would NOT use 2 sup warrior runes in combination unless you needed them to increase a certain skill to meet item requirements, in order for you to be able to divulge more points into a non-warrior class skill-line. example; you need 11 tactics to function, but you want to put more points into beast mastery, so you get a sup tactics rune, putting you at 13 tactics, then drop it by 2 points (backt to 11) in order to put more points into beast-mastery. that is the only concieveable reason i can think of for a warrior to use more than 1 "penalty rune" (obviously excluding sup absorb/vigor). w/rs. the build is most commonly an axe warrior with: tigers fury + eviscerate, executioners, axe twist, axe rake, etc or tigers fury + cleave, executioners, disrupting chop, wild blow, etc |
It's a simple as: Can you afford to lose the HP?
Examples: If you can afford to lose the HP for the superior rune, you obviously have:
1. A rune of vigor, minor/major/or superior
2. HP mods on your weapon
3. HP+ while enchanted on shields.
If you can meet any of those three requirements, sure, sup rune away. In the long run it won't really effect you, as you get endure/defy pain and stances that ignore melee/arrows..HP really doesn't matter a whole lot, if you can keep healed <albeit it through monks or henchmen monks>
If you can, again, Sup rune away.
--The Shim
Examples: If you can afford to lose the HP for the superior rune, you obviously have:
1. A rune of vigor, minor/major/or superior
2. HP mods on your weapon
3. HP+ while enchanted on shields.
If you can meet any of those three requirements, sure, sup rune away. In the long run it won't really effect you, as you get endure/defy pain and stances that ignore melee/arrows..HP really doesn't matter a whole lot, if you can keep healed <albeit it through monks or henchmen monks>
If you can, again, Sup rune away.
--The Shim
PvE if you're the meatshield it's probably not best to use too many sups but 1 really won't matter, everyone else can use em (obviously not like 5 or something)
PvP warriors can use 2 sups (str/wep) and it really doesn't even matter, you're last to be hit so if they're hitting you then you've already lost.
Other classes it's usually best to use the 1 sup for your main attribute.
PvP warriors can use 2 sups (str/wep) and it really doesn't even matter, you're last to be hit so if they're hitting you then you've already lost.
Other classes it's usually best to use the 1 sup for your main attribute.
You only need a superior rune for your chosen stat line. You want one of your stats to be 16. That way, you'll get the most out of it. Most people only need 3-4 stats and 16/9/8/8 or 16/9/10 are really all the stat setups you'd normally need.
That and sup. weapon runes are EASILY cancelled out by use of a Fortitude Weapon, and Sup. Vigor. Done properly, the -75 can be over shot by +80 or more hp from weapon mods, shields, and runes.
That and sup. weapon runes are EASILY cancelled out by use of a Fortitude Weapon, and Sup. Vigor. Done properly, the -75 can be over shot by +80 or more hp from weapon mods, shields, and runes.
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Originally Posted by hmyk
If you are monk, dont use superiors.. Just vigor one.
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--The Shim
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Originally Posted by MistressYichi
I always use 1 sup rune for my main skill. if im a healer then i use a sup healing. for warrior i use a sup axe. for my ranger a sup marks, etc....
The sup runes can be canceled easily. (50 from sup vigor and 30 from weapon = +80 health-75 from rune = +5 health gain total) |
--The Shim
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Originally Posted by audioaxes
i use superiors in all my builds except monks
i usually run a 12-12-10 prot-divine-inspiration boon monk i tried throwing on a superior divine and prot and it didnt seem that necessary. |
--The Shim
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Originally Posted by rugal nuker
480+50+30+30? do u mean the max hp u can get? 480+50(sup vgor)+30 weapon mod+30 shiled? or what?
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but i mean base hp, obviously a +45 ench shield would raise your hp higher, while you're enchanted.
or if you're using endure pain, vital blessing, etc. im only counting the amount of hp you have that doesnt change unless you have some sort of effect.