Concept Class Challenge (Barbarian/Savage/Berserk)

Here is something I done before in another forum (which didn't come out too great), and see if this forum have lot more interest for it.

Here is the idea. Post a concept class, and let other see how well that idea is. Don't have to be full detail (a basic description will do, but detail is better). Now, here is the catch, since it is a "Challenge" mean the CC will be on one, and a challeging one at that.

The Challenge will be:
Barbarian / Savage / Berserk (or some other name of your choosing)
Pretty much a Heavy Melee attacker. Of course, how to make it not another Warrior clone and finding its own role would be the "hard" part.

While it is mostly for fun, it is still important to keep it blance, unique, and within bond of the current game. And there are few good ones around before (some from the previous challenge), maybe will post some later if it catchs on.

Have fun.

I think a better challenge would be to come up with a class that's less savage than the current warrior class. They're already big, ugly, and strong enough if you ask me. I'd like to see something with more finesse and control, but hey, maybe I'm alone in this opinion.

There seems to be a desire for a two-handed sword/axe class.

Here's my (cheesy) idea:

The Primary will be Endurance:

The higher the attribute, the more HP you have (just like Energy for Elementalists).

Armor will be LESS than Warrior as balance (and with no shield, this should make the class interesting).

Instead of having Adrenaline skills, have Rage skills (the more damage the Barbarian takes, the more damage he dishes out). Stolen from CoV's Brute.

To jesh's concerns:
The class could somehow reward those even more for striking from behind or from the side (after all, barbarians are cunning, savage fighters, not the "noble" charge in head first (but stupid) Warriors

(sarcasm, guys, I have a W/Mo!)



Problems: How to make this different from Assassin, who will doubtlessly have critical hits and Shadow Step advantages.

That would be kinda funny to have an ass/bar. Watch there be a bug where you could dual wield 2 two handed weapons.

I like the more HP idea. The pretee... er.. gw audience would like it. Bigger numbers = better. There should probably be some other effect as well to the primary attribute, in case there are some good skills that they get, and someone with brains wants to play one.
Rage sounds good, but also I know they use that term in WoW.. maybe call it Angst or something dangerous sounding like that.

Here are some basic suggestions:

*Medium AL
*More HP when in Rage, or whatever.
*Maybe add armor penetration to this status, and lower AL.
*Maybe something like a 30% chance for a fatal attack to fail. Think: built in divine intervention.
*Use Discipline as an attribute line - maybe some kind of listening skill.
*Barbarians would relly more on instinct than training, and make use of their senses to detect hidden foes. coughassassincough




Some skills:



Slaying Blow: If you strike a fatal blow with this attack, the nearest opponent suffers two hits and +5-15 armor ignoring damage

Perception of the Wild: Target foe cannot evade or block attacks for X amount of seconds.

Sight of Blood: For X amount of seconds, you gain Xhp for every blow you strike, and lose 1 AL. While under Sight of Blood, you are immune to magical attacks and gain +3 to your attacks.

jesh, I have to wonder, are you being sarcastic?

I admit, my ideas on Rage and Endurance are not unique or imaginative.

I'm just trying to get the ball rolling under the suggestion of the OP.

If you don't like the idea of a Barbarian, just say so....

On another note:

Why are people so critical of new classes? If you think it's so easy thinking of some new ideas, I'd like to hear yours.

Good so far.. It is a Challenge afterall. Constructive Comment are welcome.

Rage and Endurace is great (almost a Must). How about two hand weapons? (slower attack, greater damage, wider swing...)

I am sure other could think up more. Hope to keep this going for some fun...

hmm maybe

"Stance of Rage: For X Seconds you attack 33% Faster and cannot be Interupted"

"Critical Strike: Two Handed Weapon Attack- You attack for +X Amount of damage, Target Foe Loses 10AL for X seconds"

If it were me implementing a sort of "rage" system, I would make regular attack skills, that you can use for energy (maybe even be free) with ordinary recharge times, but the more adrenaline you have the more damage you do, up to some reasonably high limit.

Also probably with rage would come something like:

revenge - each time you take damage for X seconds you gain 1 adrenaline
X - for X seconds your attacks gain 20% armor penetration

(I ran out of name ideas)

As for dual handed weapons, you've got a hammer now, how about something like a spear/pike? You could have spear mastery as an attribute.

as far as i know i've never heard of a Barbarian/Savage/Berser use a spear/pike but 2 handed swords and axes is well known.

how about a skill set that lets the savage comune with nature. yeah i know sounds to much like a ranger.

Jesh posted a good idea not too long ago actually

What about a Berserk type of skill?

On use, you would go on Berserk mode, which mean for the time duration you can not control you character. You gain extra boost in Attack power and HP, and will attack nearest friend or foe (kinda like masterless minion).

A fun skill, you just turn it on and sit back, and watch the killing begain!

The thing is if u add in armor penetreatoin it will become a melle versoin of the air ele u could maybe have as attributes

Endurence (for every level +5 health)
Pike Mastery (like hammer and axe mastery)
Throwing Axe Mastery (slightly ranged in dmg but not extreme makes weilder weaker when fiighting melle weps)
Two Handed swordmanship-(slow but hard hitting)
Rage (armor penatratoin and better use of rage based skills)
EDIT:Enraged Healing (Rage based healing)

this would be quite strong so maybe as a drawback u cant have a second prof Just an idea

Depends what you were talking about. My suggestions were for real, and based off my time spent messing around in neverwinter nights.
BTW I like that idea, ActionJack.
For beserk.. I'd love to take out my stupid team sometimes. Finally, a way I can get revenge on those inexperienced.. er.. I mean, I love everyone.

Eh, sorry jesh! I must have been in some mood Wednesday....

re-reading your comments, I have no idea where my reaction came from!



OK, Two-handed weapons/reach weapons:

These should be slow, but have specific skills to give them an advantage.

Maybe instead of knockdown, a "Push Back" attack. The enemy is pushed back out of melee range for a short time. (Hmmm, how is this different from Knockdown? I have no idea! Any other ideas?)

aka the assasin class coming out...

no endurance skill.....u would think it woudl make running easier....

I'm not sure Endurance is as big a problem as it appears. Yes, Barbarians will have more HP than any other class, BUT they'll have low armor and be taking lots more damage (which helps Barbarians b/c of Rage).

So I don't think Barbarians will necessarily last longer than a Warrior Runner with full armor. If anything, a Barbarian will be more vulnerable.

In D&D I've always liked better AC than more HP. It's better not to get hit at all, than to have more HP.

My previous build of such class invole something like that of RAGE, the more hp you lost, the more damge you do. Could also use skills like that of sacrifice, in you use your HP as form of energy to do damage. (so healing them actually make them weaker) Will Wield "Heavy Weapons" (two hand sword or axe or hammer), that one can use Warrior's weapon mastery skill on, and have its own line of skills (like knock back and full swing), but is heavily depended on more than one attribute to make it better. Actually have less skills than other class, but made up with its regular attacks.

So in taking lots idea from previous post.. might have an attribute of
Endurance - (primary) add more HP (since you need more to use your skill with)
Blood Rage - Skills that attack using HP as energy
Heavy Weapon Mastery - Better use of you Heavy weapon
Grappling? - Wrestling style Moves that Pins player down

And for wielding Heavy weapons, make it so you will move slower with it (need points in endurance to help carry it easier), Attack slower (point in Heavy weapon mastery will help), and loose some HP per attack (points in Blood Rage will reduce that). So while any class a wield such devasting weapon with heavy damage but slower swing, they would also need to invest more points into its seperate attribute. They would be weak against range and spells, and hit and run tatic. Low in armor throught. War/Ber would be pretty good combo, but cann't use as much of skills that need to use HP. Monk/Ber with lots points in Ber attribute and healing might make a devasting character. Ber/Nec, if can boraderline his hp to low yet not die, will be scary.

I guess it is alot like a Necro/War, but hey, I feel happy when holding a big stick of hammer in my hand, don't you?

Assassins are more like pansies that hide in the dark with a dagger. I meant a real melee class.



I really like the bloodrage idea, and I second the motion that a Bk/N would make a great character. Can you say Blood?

As far as being forced to invest into more attribute lines, that also makes sense, though I think that this class should have just as many skills as any other. Here are some points..

*Endurance - hp gain would have to be HUGE in order to make this class melee-able, if their armor will be low. I'd say at least 500 points with 12 in it.

*Grappling - put enough skills into this line that a Beserker would have the option of forgoing a weapon entirely, in favor or turning things to much with their bare fists. Think - Black Belt from 8-Bit Theater


Zodiac Fist: Melee Attack - This attack has a 2 second charge time. When the 2 seconds expire, launch a melee attack that effects up to 12 creatures for (grapple level*(hp lost/5)) damage.

*Other cool idea: have the above attack use a different element or effect for each sign of the zodiac. How cool would that be?

Blood Lock: Target opponent is locked to the ground for X seconds. You take X damage per second, and when Blood Lock ends, you deal (2*HP lost) damage to your target.

I like your grappling idea, jesh. Unarmed combat would be nice.

Hell, let's give the Beserker Shapeshifting, and lose the Druid! (j/k)

Heh.. I think that'd be overdoing it.
Oh, and actionjack made up the grapple thing, not me. Read above my post a little.

Yes.. my inner Cosmo is explording as I read that. Maybe have golden armor too?
A bare fist fighter has too much potential that it is hard to fit them into one class (yes, I did wrote one about them before) I was thinking more in line of Street Fighter's Zangief, or any WWF star. Lots Arm Locks and Bear hugs, which let your ally hit on them (and on you as well) while you pin them down. Isn't it everyone's fantasy to be Pin Down by a large Beefy Man?

Well there is another option.. make the Grapple line more of.. different moves, and less hand to hand, since that seems to be better suited to a different class entirely.


Hand Twist: Opponent loses 20% attack power and cannot use weapon skills pertaining to that weapon for X seconds.

Side Strike: For the next X seconds, when an opponent attempts a melee attack, it misses and you counter attack for +10-34 damage.

l0l3rs8s: For X seconds, you take double damage from all attacks. When l0l3rs8s ends, target foe takes that amount of damage, and is knocked down.



Meh, I'm too tired to think of any more real ideas, but hopefully someone gets what I was trying to say.

How about a skill like:

Hold UP cann't think of a better name)
8 strike of Adr :
You and your target are immobilize for 3 seconds. Must be apply at melee range. You will also suffer any damage your target receive. (excluding DoPs)

this would make a very nice team combo build. Hold up the Monk, while other spike him. Of couse, they might also kill you in the process, which make Endurance Primary shines, so you might out last them in HP.

Ah, reminds me of Root in Ragnarok. Basically your skills are blacked out, and neither of you can move/attack/cast. In Ragnarok though, you could use certain moves, starting out weak, while rooted, and the other person couldn't, giving you a slight advantage. I don't know how that would be implemented in GW, but it'd be interesting.

I think we should have a savage class that is so buff they use boulders and tree trunks as weapons.

WTS golden big rock of fortitude
WTS Purple fiery tree limb of shelter.

I think it would be cool to go around kicking ass and taking names with a friggin tree over your shoulder. And i dont mean some scaled down stick, i mean a tree baby!!
i whipped this up in a couple of minutes to show you what i mean.


WTS golden christmas tree of holiday cheer!!!

(I was serious about haveing trees and boulders and weapons.)

haha.. yeah, that would be pretty cool. Yes, a big block of Tree or Stone Pole would be a good weapon. (since there are big axe and big sword, could use that as the big hammer as part of Heavy WEapons)

Could also rip from CoV, and have them Pull out Chucks of Rock and throw it for Area Damage. with the sound effect, Rorrrrrrra..............thump.

i was thinking about that, but it seemed like it infringed on an earth ele. so i left it out.

i love these ideas i'd love to beat a charr into the ground like a railroad spike with a big tree trunk

there should be a BERSERKER class who is some what lower on def and hp than a warrior but designed for bigger damage bonuses and faster attack.

They could use double hammers/axes like the kanaxai, or they could just use a melee weapon that counted as double handed, but the battle motion would just be them swinging it away in 1 hand, although this would cause some confusion

heres mine

Beserker 3.1

Desciption: A warrior with class with stong ties to nature. They draw they're power from the animal pelts they wear into battle. Know for their feral brutality in battle and their knowlegde of natural remedies. They can help treat allies wtih multiple herbs and mixtures while dealing damage with great weapons or even their own bare hands. Their most dangerous trait is their natual born Bloody Frenzy in battle. While in this frenzied state they are near unstopable in combat but lose nearly all ration reasoning.

General Stuff:
-Armor
Their armor should be low, I say 55 max. Their armor types are;
Head-Headbands(ex: Bersekers headband +1 BF, Warriors headband +1 GWM, Animalists Headband +1 Claw Mastery)
Chest-animal pelts (ex: Snow wolf pelt 55 al, +20 against cold damge, Bear pelt 55 al, +20 against earth damge, Drake pelt 55 al, +20 agaist lighting damge)
Arms-gauntlets (ex: Besekers gauntlets 55 al, +1 damage, -15 health, Bear gauntlets 55 al, +1 second to knockdown time, -5% attack speed)
Legs-kilts (ex: Besekers kilt 55 al, +2 damage, -30 health, Bear skin kilt 55 al, +10% damage, -10% attack speed)
Feet-boots (ex: Besekers boots 55 al +1 damage -15 health, Bear skin boots 55 al +5% damage -5% attack speed)
Their leggings should give them +5 energy.

Fatigue-While fatigued, a character's maximum health is reduced. Whenever a spell/skill causing fatigue is cast, the caster loses 20 maximum health. The amount of maximum health lost is shown at the right end of the health bar as greyed out. Maximum health lost to fatigue will be restored at a rate of 1 point every 3 seconds.



-Stats
They have 20 base energy, 25 with thier leggings, and 2 pips of energy regeneration
They have the same with base health as others but with the endurance attribute it can go up to 600(12 points in enduance)

-Weapons
They have 2 weapon types
-Great Weapons: This includes Great Axes and Great Swords They should deal more damage than hammers but have a slower attack speed, I say somewhere around 2 seconds and 25-45 for their attack speed and damage
-Claws: These should deal the same damage as swords but have a slightly slower attack speed they are also 2-handed

Attributes
-Endurance(primary attribute)
For each point in Endurance your health is increase by 10. Most Endurance skill help with coping with damage.

Skills
-Besekers Endurance: 10e, 50s. Skill
For 3-16 seconds you have an additional 30-160 health and all damge you recieve is reduced by 0-1.

-Endure Elments: 10e, 20s. Skill
For 3-12 seconds whenever your take emental damage its reduced by 10-30%

-Defy Elements: [Elite] 10e, 45s. Skill
For 4-16 seconds whenever your take emental damage its reduced by 10-30% and whenever you take elemental damage you gain 1-6 health.

-Renewing Wind: 10e, 60s. skill
You are cure of all exhaustion and fatigue.( 75% chance of faliure with Endurance of 6 or less)

-Long run: 10e, 75s. stance
For 15-55 second you move 5-10% faster.

-Northern Strength: 10e, 45s. skill
For 8-13 seconds you have +20-40 armor against cold damge and +10-20 armor agains other elemental damage

-Southern Strength: 10e, 45s. skill
For 8-13 seconds you have +20-40 armor against fire damge and +10-20 armor agains other elemental damage.
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-Bloody Frenzy
For each point in BF you increase your BF skills. Most skills in BF are related to increase abilities when you health is low. Also when your health drops below 15% all you melee attacks have 5% armor penatration.

Skills
-Bloody Frenzy: [Elite] 20e, 120s. Skill
For 10-60 seconds your attack speed is increase by 0-25% and all of your skills are disabled for 65 seconds.

-Feral Sense: 10e, 90s. Stance
For 10-30 seconds you move 15% faster and all of you melee attacks and skills cannot be blocked or evaded

-Wolf Howl: 6a. Shout
For 1-6 seconds nearbye foes suffer from -10 al and nearbye allies move 10% faster

-Beserkes Strike: [Elite] 7a. melee attack
If your health is below 66% this attack deals 1-25 more damage, if your health is below 50% you also gain 1-3 stikes of andrenaline, if your health is below 33% this attack results in a critical hit.

-Predatory Focus: 5e, 10s. skill
Your next attack results in a critical hit.

-Besekers Influence: [Elite] 10e, 50s. skill
If target others ally health is below 66% they gain +0-1 energy rengeration, if thier health is below 50% they attack 1-6% faster, if this health is below 33% they deal +1-12% more damage for 1-12 seconds.

-Beskers Cry: [Elite] 15e, 60s. shout
If nearbye allies health is below 66%, if they are wielding a melee weapon, they attack 25% faster. If thier health is below 50% they also move 25% faster. If thier health is below 33% they also gain double adrenaline for 1-12 seconds.

-Blood Scent: 5e, 15s. skill
For 1-12 seconds if you attack a target who is bleeding, your attacks cannot be blocked or evaded.

-Bloodbath: [Elite] 10e, 50s. skill
Sacrifice 50-33% maximum health. For 1-12 seconds you attack 33% faster, have a 2-12% chance to deal a critical hit, and gain double adrenaline. You recive 75-50% less from healing. When Bloodbath ends, you are fatigue.
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-Great Weapon Mastery: For each point in GWM you increase you chance of a critical hit with a great weapon. Increase GWM skills.

Skills
-Wide Swing: 5e, 9s. GW attack
Strike target and adjacent foes for 1-12 more damage.

-Disembowl: 7a. GW attack
If this attack hits it deals +3-15 damage and inflicts a deep wound for 1-12 seconds

-Impale: 5a. GW attack
If this attacks hits that target for suffers from bleeding for 1-24 seconds

-Thust: 8a. GW attack
If this attack hits a bleeding foe, you deal +3-15 damge and they suffer weakness for 1-12 seconds

-Overhead Stike: 8a. GW Attack
If this attack hits it deals +1-25 damage and knocks down that foe. Overhead strike cannot be blocked, Overhead Strike is easily avoided.

-Whirling Strike: 5e, 9s. GW Attack
All adjacent foes are stuck for 1-6 more damage. If your health is below 33%, those foes actions are interrupted.

-Dragon's Breath: 10e, 10s. GW Attack
If this attack hits you deal 1-15 more damage and deal 1-30 fire damage.

-Dragon's Tail: 10e, 10s. GW Attack
If this attack hits you deal 1-30 more damage and if your attacks hits a moving target, they are knock down for 1-3 seconds.

-Storm Stike: 10e, 15s. GW Attack
If this attack hits you deal 1-20 damage and 1-40 lighting damage. If you have less than 50% health this attack has 25% armor penatration. This attack causes fatigue.

-Avalanch Blow: [Elite] 15e, 30s. GW Attack
If this attack hits you deal 1-20 damage and 1-30 cold damage and your target is knock down. If your health is below 50% you deal an additional 1-20 damage. This attack cause fatigue

-Achilles Tendon: 10e, 20s. GW Attack
If this attack hits, your target is cripple for 1-12 seconds. If your health is below 50%, you deal 1-6 more damage.

-Death Dealer Strike: [Elite] 10a. GW Attack
If this attack hits you deal 1-20 damage for each condition suffered from targe foe. This attack casue fatiuge.

-Golems Fist: 10e, 25s. GW attack
If this attack hits you deal +3-15 damage and 1-20 earth damage. If your health is below 50% all ajescent foes are struck for 20-40 earth damage. This attack cause fatigue.

-Rising Strike: 7a. GW attack
If this attack hits you deal +1-12 damage. If your health is below 50%, your target is knockdown.

-Falling Blade: [Elite] 10a. GW attack
Falling Blade takes 2 seconds to strike. If this attack hits you deal +2-24 damage. If your health is below 50%, your target is knockdown. If Falling Blade strikes a knockdowned foe, they suffer from deep wound for 1-12 seconds.
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-Claw Mastery: For each point in Claw mastery you increase your chance of a critical hit with claw weapons. Increases claw mastery skills.

Skills
-Rend: 5a. claw attack
If this attack hits tou deal +1-12 damage and target foe begins bleeding for 1-12 seconds.

-Bear claw: (3a * Y). claw attack
If this attack hits your target is knock down for a random time between 0..1 and 3..4 seconds.
Y= the last knockdown time

-Maim: [Elite] 6a. claw attack
If this attack hits you strike for 1-30 more damage and your target begins bleeding for 1-24 seconds.

-Feral Swipe: 10e, 20s. claw attack
If this attack hits target foe is interuppted and if they where attacking they are knock down.

-Dragon Claw: 5e, 10s. claw attack
If this attack hits you deal 1-10 damage and deal 1-15 fire damage.

-Brutal Assalt: [Elite] 10e, 40s. claw attack
Stike target foe 1-6 times, these attacks have a 50-25% chance to miss and a 1-12% to be a critical hit.

-Rake: 7a. claw attack
If this attack hits a foe suffering from bleeding you deal +2-24 damage and they suffer from a deep wound for 1-12 seconds.

-Slash: 8a. claw attack
If this attack hits a foe suffering from a condtion and their health is above 50% you deal +3-36 damage.

-Poison Claw: 10e, 25s. claw attack
If this attack hits your target you deal +1-24 damage and they suffer form poison for 1-12 seconds.

-Enraged Slash: [Elite] 10a. claw attack
If this attack hits you deal 10 more damage for each fully charged adrenaline attack. Lose all adrenaline. If your health is below 33%, you lose no adrenaline.

-Furious Strikes: 15e, 45s. claw attack
Strike target foe 2-8 times. These attacks deal 50-25% less damage but you gain double adrenaline.
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Builds:
Bleeder: Beserker/Necromancer
BF-12+1
Claw Master-10+1
Blood Magic-8

Beserkers Strike
Feral Sense
Dark Fury
Touch of Agony
Rend
Rake
Slash
Bear Claw

Desciption: Use the dark fury and touch of agony to get the health low and adrenaline up then spike 'em with the rend/claw/rake/slash/beserkers strike spike.

Jungle Man: Beserker/Ranger
BF-11+1
GWM-10+1
Beastmastery-9

Tigers Fury
Scanvengers Strike
Charm Animal
Comfort Animal
Impale
Thrust
Disembowl
Death Dealers Strike

description: simple; get in there and start swingin!

These r just a few i thought up in about half a hr. i try and think of some more later.
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Theme: I want the beserker to be very celtic in his looks. I kinda think of him as a melee ranger, but whatever.

Its been forever since i last looked at this, ive added some new things, nothin spectaculure, but still new. sorry for any spelling mistakes, broke mt wrist, typing with one hand
Criticism is not only wanted but encouged.