Word of Warning: buying Unidentified items

I've noticed more and more that people are selling unidentified items to gamers who hope they will get something really good. I just want to point out that many item mods can be discovered without identifying the item. Easily discovered mods are as follows:

+ health
+ health while enchanted
+ health in stance
+ energy (staff and wand mod)
- energy (damage always weapon)
- energy regen (zealous)
- health regen (vamp)
+ energy while enchanted

Basically, to test this yourself, next time you find a blue, purple, or gold item, equip the item before you identify it. If you suddenly gain health, then you have an item with a health bonus. Another example would be that your health would start to degenerate if there was a vampiric mod on the weapon.

Obviously, other mods such as damage increase, or +1 random attribute would not be as easy to test, but you get the picture, hopefully...

This post is just serving as a "heads-up" for buyers who think they have a chance of getting certain mods when they buy unidentified items. Be aware that the seller has most likely tested the item to see if it has any health bonus on it.

Oooooh nifty. Do you have to meet the requirement of the weapon/items to get the full bonus? Like will I know how much health I got from that fortitude mod by equipping it?

item mods do not have level requirements that need to be met. Level requirements only effect the damage you do with a weapon, the energy you get froma focus item, and the armor you get from a shield.

the requirement is onyl for damage on weapons and staffs, armor for shields, and the base +energy on focus's

You're right. I've never once bought an unided item that had a mod on it. Shouldn't this be considered a scam? It's obviously dishonest.

Thanks for letting us on to this

I read something on one of the forums on this and tested it out. Sure enough the health mods, etc can be found out without identifying it. I could never understand anyone buying the unid items anyways but to each his/her own.

People buy unid'd items to unlock the item mods for PvP. I'm surprised this still is a market since faction is fairly easy to come by. It's not really a scam to sell these this way, it was a viable market at one time.

The reason some people buy Unided items is for unlocking purposes

Wow, I like this, there are times I REALLY don't want to Id an item because it's value goes down... thats a good Idea to test them beforehand I'd never thought of doing that before... TNX.

I guess if the seller was saying "UnID-ed +30 health sword" and you bought it and it wasnt a +30 then it would be really dishonest. XD

It stands to reason, then: If you know the mod in advance, you could ask a higher price if it is a highly desirable mod.

Not that I would bother looking if I were going to sell an item. I just Identify everything. I still have plenty of stuff to unlock.

Hopefully if enough people read this post, the price for unid items will go waaaay down, because people will know that they will most likely be getting crap.

Obviously, mods like Sundering, Furious, Enchanting are not as easy to test, so there could still be a chance to get one of those by purchasing an unid item, but thats not the point of the post. The point is: Dont buy unid hoping to get something really good like +30 health or +45 while enchanted, because it aint gonna happen.

I brought a unid Gold Mursaat Bow. When i ID it and guess what i got.. a 10/10 Sundering Bow String. I don't think you can't test out the 10/10 armor pentration unless you can count all the damages.

Sigh... not new, and I think I've seen two other threads posted about it.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...highlight=vamp

EDIT: I can't find the stupid other thread. In the absence of that, I'm reopening the thread; thanks to Splatter for being patient and polite.

Interesting let em try this out

But isn't it dumb to ask someone who selling a unid weapons to go outside town and try it out? But i do agree, people probably tried the weapons before they id it so that they can save the good UNID stuffs and sell the rest to people who want to unlock PVP.

Here's a quote that I hope the OP doesn't mind my reposting;

I think it's about the closest parallel possible.

Haven't been on this site for weeks. Finally I post something since this is worthwhile thread.

I believe that this method of "virtually-identifying" was not meant to be. They probably overlooked this when programming item drops. At leats you posted this so other people understand to be careful buying Un-ided.

P.S. I'd be the last to care: I gave away a few 4:1 vampiric stuff and unided golds.

Oh, that thread. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ighlight=coins
I skipped over closed threads. Explains a lot. Stop outposting me Merc.

You can also tell what prefix a weapon has sometimes by looking at its damage type. If the Axe, Sword, Hammer, or Bow is missing the Slashing/Piercing/Blunt damage, that means it's an elemental type.

What I can't figure out is why anyone would pay money for an unidentified shield. There's no mods to unlock, and the odds of getting a good +health shield are exactly zero.

For that matter, the idea of paying 25k for an unidentified gold fellblade is equally proposterous to me.

Rico

I don't understand why anyone would buy an un-id item other than it might have the same gambling satisfaction opening the chests has. If faction is easily accumulated why would someone spend money on un-id items?

I bought a gold req 8 fellblade for 25k knowing that they sell more than that just for undi. I was tempted to id it but relized the chances of getting something good are very slim. So i took it outside ascalon. I would attack and do 6-9 damage, then let them get me under 50% and I only did 4-6 damage. I id'd it and it was a 14 over 50! So this helps alot in the undi market.

I completely don't understand this statement.

As described in the first post, the ONLY thing that this is good for identifying is whether a weapon or shield has a health or energy mod associated with it.

Generally, for a weapon, you AREN'T buying the weapon hoping for a fortitude mod on it. Those are easily replaceable anyway.

You are hoping for a damage mod (i.e. 15% always or 15%>50% health), and that is NOT easily testible on an unidentified weapon.

Regarding the vampiric, you CAN tell that one exists, but again it is relatively difficult to tell whether it is a crappy vampiric (1/1, for example) versus a max vampiric (5/1 or 3/1) without taking some decent time in testing it on monsters.

In the end, I think that "pretesting" unidentified weapons is really only useful for caster weapons (to determine if it has the coveted +energy mods) and shields.

And for shields, it doesn't severely affect the value since those shields without health bonuses may be dual modded (e.g. -2 which enchanted/-2 in a stance), which are very expensive nowadays. And those shields with a single health mod aren't worth nearly as much as they used to be (and in many instances are worth just as much as the unidentified price).

So, in the end, I can't see how selling an unidentified item that you've pretested can be considered "a scam". I also can't see why people buying unidentified items can be considered ignorant. It's a valid market, with a ton of risk and reward associated with it. I know that I have been on both ends of these transactions, with both good and bad consequences when the identification played out.

I got a perfect stormbow for 40k unid, it was great. I kept thanking the seller over and over, he just laughed. If I get a gold chaos axe low req I sell unid. I think its great way to sell. Who cares about a health mod, the damge bonus is whats key. It also gives the buyer a chance for a great bargin if he is lucky and the seller a set average price. I think its a fun gamble to buy unid, but dont over do it, once in a while is enough, cause its still a gamble and you can lose gold and thats no fun.

This needs to be stickied in the Sell forum.

You can test for damage mod easy. Just take it ouside ascalon and attack something and observe the hightest and lowest and the crits, then let them get you under 50% and test again. Rinse repeat with stance,enchant, hexed etc. Also make sure that the req needed for that weapon is at 0 so your not dealing with high numbers.

Wow, this is an extremely good find. I'm going to check all of my Un IDed items in storage now. Wow...so that sort of stinks when you buy a 100k gold Un IDed storm bow, or fellblade, just to find a terrible mod on it. Very nice info, very helpful. This should be stickied.

Damage mods on a weapon are easy to detect goto the isle of the nameless with a warrior with exactly 12 weapons mastery 0 strength equip Wild Blow.
a max +15% weapons should Critical for the following:

Sword: 36
Axe: 45
Hammer: 57

You should be able to figure out the any damage mod if you know a critical is about 41% more damage.