Hi everybody, I have a question about something that is bothering me the last days:
What is the big deal with weapons req. and trading?
I understand, and it is well known, that your weapon atribut should match the req. of the weapon you are using. But there is no benefit to exceed that weapons req. Once you match the req. you make 100% damage. And I cannot confirm that the chances of critical hits increase with a higher positve difference between atribut level and weapon req.
Nobody is buying (otherwise perfect) weapons just because the req. is not 8-9 - although they always have a 13-15 atribut level for that weapon anyways! It only makes sense if you want to use a second class Charakter weapon and don´t want to spend atribut points in that second class but that is most likeley not the case.
So why is that damn (for example) Ranger not buying the Max Dam+15>50, 10/10, +30 Halfmoon Bow he is looking for just because it has req. 11 instead of req. 9 when he has Marksmanship 15 anyways????
Thanks alot
cheers
Amarth
p.s.: excuse my bad english
What is the big deal about weapons req ?
Amarth d'Arc
VGJustice
actually, if you exceed the weapon's requirements, the base damage goes up. However, lower Req. weapons are more desireable because it looks like it gives you more flexability. Basicly, if you can use a sword with only 8 Swordsmanship, just think how much more you can put towards Healing Prayers to buff up that Mending! Ok, I'm kidding, but that's basicly what it boils down to.
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by VGJustice
actually, if you exceed the weapon's requirements, the base damage goes up. However, lower Req. weapons are more desireable because it looks like it gives you more flexability. Basicly, if you can use a sword with only 8 Swordsmanship, just think how much more you can put towards Healing Prayers to buff up that Mending! Ok, I'm kidding, but that's basicly what it boils down to.
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Lower Req = PLAIN and SIMPLE more attributes to spend elsewhere. Lower the req, more you can put into a certain skill line, not dumping another 2-3 levels for a req 9-12.
--The Shim
coldslammer
twinking in ascalon is another reason
bringing in high dmg weapons with req7-8s
*shakes fist @ twinkers*
bringing in high dmg weapons with req7-8s
*shakes fist @ twinkers*
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by coldslammer
twinking in ascalon is another reason
bringing in high dmg weapons with req7-8s *shakes fist @ twinkers* |
But if people can afford the weapon, at that level, with that req, they deserve it. It's not twinking if you can afford it/worked up to it. With my warrior, when he was level 5, bought a battlepick, max dmg, req 8, WITH MY SAVINGS ^_^
So it's all about preference and if you're just twinking, or earned it!
<Shakes fist @ no knowledge!>
--The Shim
Amarth d'Arc
Thanks for your reply. I knew that the base damage goes up with each atribut point above 12 but that has nothing to do with the weapons req. At Marksmanship 15, a req.8 bow makes the same damage than a req.11 bow right ?
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by Amarth d'Arc
Thanks for your reply. I knew that the base damage goes up with each atribut point above 12 but that has nothing to do with the weapons req. At Marksmanship 15, a req.8 bow makes the same damage than a req.11 bow right ?
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So, I really don't know, I'm speculating. But I'd say more then likely you wouldn't do anymore then max, but might hit closer to max with higher attribute levels.
--The Shim
AncientPC
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Originally Posted by VGJustice
actually, if you exceed the weapon's requirements, the base damage goes up. However, lower Req. weapons are more desireable because it looks like it gives you more flexability. Basicly, if you can use a sword with only 8 Swordsmanship, just think how much more you can put towards Healing Prayers to buff up that Mending! Ok, I'm kidding, but that's basicly what it boils down to.
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In other words, whether you have 8 or 13 points in axe mastery you will do the same base damage per attack with a req 8 axe. Axe skills on the other hand will go up in damage.
nightrunner
I think having a higher req gives you a better chance of hitting a Critical.
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by AncientPC
Once you've met a weapon's requirements, extra points will not make base damage go up.
In other words, whether you have 8 or 13 points in axe mastery you will do the same base damage per attack with a req 8 axe. Axe skills on the other hand will go up in damage. |
The damage on axes don't go up, as I've somewhat known/discovered. Axe skills beef up, like executioner's and such.
--The Shim
Savio
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ht=requirement
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ht=requirement
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php
Requirements don't affect damage so long as you meet the requirement. The attribute level you have does, though.
Actually, wrong. Look at the third link under the heading "Weapon Damage". However, you want the extra attribute levels more for the extra skill damage than the base damage.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ht=requirement
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php
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Originally Posted by nightrunner
I think having a higher req gives you a better chance of hitting a Critical.
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Originally Posted by AncientPC
Once you've met a weapon's requirements, extra points will not make base damage go up.
In other words, whether you have 8 or 13 points in axe mastery you will do the same base damage per attack with a req 8 axe. Axe skills on the other hand will go up in damage. |
Arturo02
some builds require a low requirement item. UW trapper build is a good example. With that one you need a low req bow.
RTSFirebat
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Originally Posted by Arturo02
some builds require a low requirement item. UW trapper build is a good example. With that one you need a low req bow.
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coldslammer
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You really like to shake your fist. I've seen it in multiple posts now! But if people can afford the weapon, at that level, with that req, they deserve it. It's not twinking if you can afford it/worked up to it. With my warrior, when he was level 5, bought a battlepick, max dmg, req 8, WITH MY SAVINGS ^_^ So it's all about preference and if you're just twinking, or earned it! <Shakes fist @ no knowledge!> --The Shim |
*shakes fist for no reason*
AncientPC
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Originally Posted by Savio
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ht=requirement
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ht=requirement http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php Requirements don't affect damage so long as you meet the requirement. The attribute level you have does, though. Actually, wrong. Look at the third link under the heading "Weapon Damage". However, you want the extra attribute levels more for the extra skill damage than the base damage. |
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by coldslammer
wrong shim, it is infact twinking, heres a definition taken from urbandictionary.
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Twinking occurs in my eyes when a low level person has a high level friend just give him stuff he wouldn't have normally achieved at that point. That's my definition. Now buyin a low req max dmg weapon is not twinking, unless it was given to you, not earned honestly =)
--The Shim
coldslammer
well considering twinking is a made up term from the mmorpg, you'll only find such terms from urban dictionary.
anyway your just contradicting yourself and you know it
buying a low req weapon with max dmg, rofl, the person selling it did not get such a weapon from ascalon, so hes getting a weapon from the higher end of the game and selling it to the lower end ppl who reside in ascalon, spells twink
--The Cold
anyway your just contradicting yourself and you know it
buying a low req weapon with max dmg, rofl, the person selling it did not get such a weapon from ascalon, so hes getting a weapon from the higher end of the game and selling it to the lower end ppl who reside in ascalon, spells twink
--The Cold
Arturo02
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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Not really true, since if the trapping is going correctly you never need to use one, the traps should kill all mobs straight away. All you need a bow is to pull mobs in.
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I was wrong
twicefeuled
I have a few items I use from pre-sear when trapping in post-sear. Both are no reqs, one a 7-11 bow and the other a +7 energy offhand, I think.
RTSFirebat
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Originally Posted by Arturo02
Thanks for clearing that up. I just tried to use a bow with a 10 requirement despite having less in marksmanship and I could could still fire an arrow, although it was less damage, it still worked for pulling purposes.
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You can use any weapon in the game, but if you fail to make the requirement it doesn't do any real damage to speak of. For example I use a staff for trapping which has +10 energy and +3 energy on it, so I gain 13 while holding, but when I need to attack I switch back to my bow which requires 8 marksmanship.Now that is a situation where low requirement helps since on UW trapping runs I need to spend more points in making my traps more powerful.