So I'm new to the game and my character has just arrived in Augury Rock yesterday.
And I noticed this funny thing : on the radar, an incessant deluge of light blue dots moving to the Prophet's Path exit !
Upon closer inspection I found they were 95% of the time monks.
Now seriously, this was a continuous stream of monks, monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks , NON STOP. And this happens everytime I go there (on Europe).
So I was just curious, what on earth are these monks doing ? Soloing ? Farming ?
Augury Rock = monk circus ?
ecirbaf
Crunchy Taco+3
to put it simply farming
chippxero
If you'd been there before the AoE change it used to be crazy compared to these days.
A constant mass monk trail.
A constant mass monk trail.
Xia
Er what're they farming there now and what's the build?.. I used to do riverside with my monk and it's exactly like what you're seeing now.
chippxero
griffons of course, for the build check the monk build forum.
ecirbaf
I think many are bots.
I've looked closer today,
if you stand near the stairs and look from far up you can see they are totally hugging the wall from the main place, then changing angle exactly at the end of the wall in a straight line towards the nearest spot on the stairs,then at that exact spot, again they change angle and go in a straight line to the exit. Then you can see plainly that many other monks do the exact same route. In comparison some human players who hug the wall to save time, dont turn so rapidly and not always at the same moment/spot.
Also I've noticed right outside Augury there is one monster alone, which could be an easy target for a simple scripted bot, kill, restart from Augury, kill , etc.
EDIT: wow I feel so silly now, it's just so plain. Funny to see how long they take before coming back in Augury and re-running again, about 2 mins. They;re slow ! :P
I've looked closer today,
if you stand near the stairs and look from far up you can see they are totally hugging the wall from the main place, then changing angle exactly at the end of the wall in a straight line towards the nearest spot on the stairs,then at that exact spot, again they change angle and go in a straight line to the exit. Then you can see plainly that many other monks do the exact same route. In comparison some human players who hug the wall to save time, dont turn so rapidly and not always at the same moment/spot.
Also I've noticed right outside Augury there is one monster alone, which could be an easy target for a simple scripted bot, kill, restart from Augury, kill , etc.
EDIT: wow I feel so silly now, it's just so plain. Funny to see how long they take before coming back in Augury and re-running again, about 2 mins. They;re slow ! :P
wickedele
Haha. I have seen the exact same persons like that (same armor, looks), and they are all Mo/e. Like, wtf?
Mesmerized
I must be the only monk that doesn't wear tattoo's while farming.. I decided to just use the full collector set that I dyed red and green for the holidays 
Bugeater
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Originally Posted by ecirbaf
Also I've noticed right outside Augury there is one monster alone, which could be an easy target for a simple scripted bot, kill, restart from Augury, kill , etc.
EDIT: wow I feel so silly now, it's just so plain. Funny to see how long they take before coming back in Augury and re-running again, about 2 mins. They;re slow ! :P |
aron searle
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Originally Posted by Mesmerized
I must be the only monk that doesn't wear tattoo's while farming.. I decided to just use the full collector set that I dyed red and green for the holidays
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RTSFirebat
I'd say a lot of them are bots. As I been there farming myself and seen the same people farming what seems to be 24/7. Since Griffion farming is one of the most boring things in the game it would be impossible for any normal person to farm them for more then an hour at a time lol
Dralspire
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... it would be impossible for any normal person to farm them for more then an hour at a time ...
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aron searle
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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
I'd say a lot of them are bots. As I been there farming myself and seen the same people farming what seems to be 24/7. Since Griffion farming is one of the most boring things in the game it would be impossible for any normal person to farm them for more then an hour at a time
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Damia
i've seen lots of monks here that come to go farming..
RTSFirebat
Anyone farming them damn wing Lions for more then a hour in the desert must think killing the same old monsters over and over again is fun, or they have nothing better to do with themselves.
AxeMe
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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Anyone farming them damn wing Lions for more then a hour in the desert must think killing the same old monsters over and over again is fun, or they have nothing better to do with themselves.
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sledgeunderhill
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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Anyone farming them damn wing Lions for more then a hour in the desert must think killing the same old monsters over and over again is fun, or they have nothing better to do with themselves.
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150-200 runs to gain one level in the long stretch from 92-99 - assuming no deaths
Maxiemonster
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did you ever do hell baal runs?
150-200 runs to gain one level in the long stretch from 92-99 - assuming no deaths |
Epinephrine
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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster
But Diablo II was way better game then this, unfortunatly even Blizzard gives themselves up to payed MMORPG's (bastards).
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D2 was item driven combat.
D2 was imbalance.
D2 was horrid PvP.
D2 was PK central.
D2 was hacker/duper paradise.
It is not even in the same league as GW.
jibikao
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Originally Posted by ecirbaf
I think many are bots.
I've looked closer today, if you stand near the stairs and look from far up you can see they are totally hugging the wall from the main place, then changing angle exactly at the end of the wall in a straight line towards the nearest spot on the stairs,then at that exact spot, again they change angle and go in a straight line to the exit. Then you can see plainly that many other monks do the exact same route. In comparison some human players who hug the wall to save time, dont turn so rapidly and not always at the same moment/spot. Also I've noticed right outside Augury there is one monster alone, which could be an easy target for a simple scripted bot, kill, restart from Augury, kill , etc. EDIT: wow I feel so silly now, it's just so plain. Funny to see how long they take before coming back in Augury and re-running again, about 2 mins. They;re slow ! :P |
Bugeater
How do you catch a botter? You have one person sitting in front of 20 screens that each have a bot running on it. From ANet's side they can't tell who's a palyer and who's a bot. They can whisper the person to see if they respond, but that's when the botter takes control and answers the whisper. And they can't suspend people on suspicion. How pissed would you be if you've been farming for a while and get an account ban because you look like a bot?
koneko
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Originally Posted by ecirbaf
So I'm new to the game and my character has just arrived in Augury Rock yesterday.
And I noticed this funny thing : on the radar, an incessant deluge of light blue dots moving to the Prophet's Path exit ! Upon closer inspection I found they were 95% of the time monks. Now seriously, this was a continuous stream of monks, monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks , NON STOP. And this happens everytime I go there (on Europe). So I was just curious, what on earth are these monks doing ? Soloing ? Farming ? |
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by ecirbaf
Now seriously, this was a continuous stream of monks, monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks monks , NON STOP. And this happens everytime I go there (on Europe).
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chippxero
i didn't think china had guildwars yet.
Numa Pompilius
GW hasn't been released in China yet, no. Nothing stops you from buying it somewhere else, though.
kimo the healer
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It's the farming army. Chinese professional farmers, most of them running bots/scripts. Up until recently they were at augury rock intl district, but have recently descended on the EU servers. It's still not as many as it was in the heyday of the botting at the intl district, it's probably no more than 30-50 in the EU district, but there used to be 200+ in the intl district.
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Numa Pompilius
Yeah, everytime I mention the farming army people supporting botting & farming say that.
The rest can just go to Augury and have a look.
The rest can just go to Augury and have a look.
Longasc
Yeah, they are now selling really good items, some for dumping prices. (EU districts)
And there is definitely a monk migration in augury rock, they run into the wall, turn, run into the next wall and then go in a straight line to the exit.
They are not only pro farmers, they also seem to have a pro script...
And there is definitely a monk migration in augury rock, they run into the wall, turn, run into the next wall and then go in a straight line to the exit.
They are not only pro farmers, they also seem to have a pro script...
aron searle
My personal view point is that you cant argue the exsitence of bots, simply how many of them there are?
And when you see lots of people run the same route just remember this. When i was farming that area i would myself get into a routine, 4 minute run / return to augery / sell / run to exit, quite often taking the same route as i did the last time, ant the time before that.......
I do belive there to be bots there, but that them taking the same path isnt enought evidence to use to guage their numbers.
And when you see lots of people run the same route just remember this. When i was farming that area i would myself get into a routine, 4 minute run / return to augery / sell / run to exit, quite often taking the same route as i did the last time, ant the time before that.......
I do belive there to be bots there, but that them taking the same path isnt enought evidence to use to guage their numbers.
Willy Rockwell
This is the same topic we discussed last month in this thread
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...hlight=mystery
It includes a response from Gaile Gray.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...hlight=mystery
It includes a response from Gaile Gray.
aron searle
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This is the same topic we discussed last month in this thread
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...hlight=mystery It includes a response from Gaile Gray. |
Raptox
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and it being brought up again says to me nothing has changed
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Now, as long as the bots don't mutate, there's less chance of botters finding an "unbeatable" bot. Furthermore, if ANet were to make tiny changes over and over, I'm sure they'd have to put every little thing through their QA procedures. Soon they'd be swamped, which is just another victory for botters.
If what I'm reading about these "walk the line" monks is true, ANet might want to spend just a little bit of time in these districts (an hour here and there?) taking down names and banning accounts. Even that, though, might be a waste of time. I have a feeling ANet is probably working on something to detect bots running in the background. It's not an easy task from a programming perspective, and there are massive privacy issues to worry about, too. But that'd be why you haven't seen patchwork changes like "oh no a rock fell off a pillar in Augury right smack in the path of all these monks!"
Of course, from a business standpoint, it's in ANet's best interests to make botting and farming just possible enough that people still try to do it and yet still close down botting accounts as ast as possible. Highest possible revenue stream and all that. And yes, that is a very cynical point of view.
ecirbaf
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That's not what's worth farming. With a 55hp build, you can easily farm all the griffons and minotaurs. You'd get almost nothing from repeatedly killing a single devourer.
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I am a programmer myself, so while I dont agree with bots, I find it interesting too. And to make a bot that intelligently uses skills and can actually roam a map and adapt to a situation that's probably way more complicatedt han what the actual bots do.
Even in EQ or LineAge, to my knowledge, bots are always rather stupid, they are basically repeating a sequence of keystrokes. Because they are keystrokes, as such you can not really 'detect' a hack or something like that.
In Diablo II, bots didnt need any thinking, because with the correct build, you are almost 99.9% certain your Sorceress would not die, because of special items worn , maxed resists and such.
In this GW context, the first monster outside Augury for example is very predictable, Griffons are so easy, I guess they could be farmed by a script as well. But other monsters where you need any sort of intelligent timing would not work, unless they always used their skills at the exact moment from the start of the fight..
hidden_agenda
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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Anyone farming them damn wing Lions for more then a hour in the desert must think killing the same old monsters over and over again is fun, or they have nothing better to do with themselves.
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Think about it -- if you lived in a country where the average annual wage is <1k USD, where the average population is outside, sweating their butts off to have enought to eat. Getting paid, as a 15-yr old kid, for $5 a day to farm for 8 hours in an air conditioned office must seem like a dream job.
There is an article on this from a while back...
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3141815
Yichi
I love the monk circus at augry. Great deals on unid'd weapons and shields there. some of my best finds for weapons in the game (even all the weapons i currently use) have been bought from there
kai_razorwind
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Originally Posted by Raptox
If what I'm reading about these "walk the line" monks is true, ANet might want to spend just a little bit of time in these districts (an hour here and there?) taking down names and banning accounts. Even that, though, might be a waste of time. I have a feeling ANet is probably working on something to detect bots running in the background. It's not an easy task from a programming perspective, and there are massive privacy issues to worry about, too. But that'd be why you haven't seen patchwork changes like "oh no a rock fell off a pillar in Augury right smack in the path of all these monks!"
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Savio