I think we might have screwed up things (Spoiler Alert!) - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

05 Dec 2005 at 23:52 - 1

I just relized that after you finish the titan quests you have a few things that you screwed up.

1. Dop The Mursaat were good they were trying to prevent the Flame Seeker Profocys which would bring about the Titans. We fixed that up but we really screwed up there.

2. O crap we killed the white mantle and now only those Silly Lion Guards can protect kryta from those Brute Charr.

3. O ya I forgot we abandoned Ascalon now I think we should save it from the crazy Charr.

Anyone what to add to my list about all the stuff we screwed up in Quests and Missions. I think fixing these problems will b ethe focus in Chapter 2...or we'll go to that new continent and run away from it all

.

Indian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

[SWIM]/[HooD]/[RFE]

Me/

05 Dec 2005 at 23:58 - 2

Its not us that screwed up its "Prince Rurik" blame him

Dmitri3

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, almost got to see a polar bear... :P

06 Dec 2005 at 00:02 - 3

Mursaat and White Mantle actually deserved what they got. It's not that their goal was right or wrong, it's what road they took to make it work.

You can save child's life by killing thousands of people or you can kill a child to save thousands of people.

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

06 Dec 2005 at 00:05 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

I
1. Dop The Mursaat were good they were trying to prevent the Flame Seeker Profocys which would bring about the Titans. We fixed that up but we really screwed up there.

2. O crap we killed the white mantle and now only those Silly Lion Guards can protect kryta from those Brute Charr.

3. O ya I forgot we abandoned Ascalon now I think we should save it from the crazy Charr.

Anyone what to add to my list about all the stuff we screwed up in Quests and Missions. I think fixing these problems will b ethe focus in Chapter 2...or we'll go to that new continent and run away from it all

.

1. The Mursaat sacrificed innocent people to the door in order to keep it closed. It required that the person being sacrificed have some sort of latent magical ability. Why not choose from their own population

2. The White Mantle made their bed when they supported the Mursaats killing, again, some of their numbers could have volunteered instead of grabbing people off the street.

3. Ascalon is in the same position it was when the whole mess started.

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

06 Dec 2005 at 00:13 - 5

Well they got destoyed when the flameseeker profocies came true and ALL mursaat died and also after they came true it pretty much was the end of the world until we stopped the Lich.

So the Mursaat's choice was Let the profocies come true and risk letting the world coming to an end and them being destoyed OR kill some of the "chosen"

which one would you have picked. Tough call for me.

Reve2uk

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

W/N

06 Dec 2005 at 00:49 - 6

gotta say something the Lich was a big dissapointment to beat, not hard just annoying :P

and the Charr RULE!!!!..

hidden_agenda

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

06 Dec 2005 at 00:57 - 7

i disagree on that there are only two choices...

why not imprison the chosen? or if imprisonment is too much, why not just kill them? why bind their souls to the stone?

in fact, here is an interesting point -- is the lich's soul alone capable of sustaining the door to Komalie all by itself? (Glint's announcements at the end of Hell's Precipice seems to imply so). if that's the case, is there actually a point having so many souls being trapped in the bloodstone?

the simple / meta-gaming answer is that Anet needed some villains. Anet also needed some sort of plot twist at the climax, hence the plotline.

one can also tell that the plotline seems written by a committee -- since the beginning really doesn't gel with the end (or the middle). i would much rather that they stay with a single plotline of charr vs. ascalon.

say the story might be as it is until the refugees arrived in Kryta. Then the undead is somehow tied with the charrs. then there was a desperate fight against the charrs. then it was necessary to prevent searing from happening to Kryta as well, so you have to unlock some forgotten weapon of the gods. so you have to ascend. this would climax with a quest into the ring of fire, to lock away the Titans (whom the Charrs worship) forever...

in other words, by introducing too many branching arc, i think the story got incredibly messy and weak, not to mention inconsistent... oh well...

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

06 Dec 2005 at 01:00 - 8

And then there is the whole thing of the Charr worshiping the Titans... or at least, the Charr statues you find even in pre-searing certainly resemble the Titans.

Sharpe_116

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Adventurers Society

Mo/W

06 Dec 2005 at 01:02 - 9

hmmm. let me think here.... o ya, we screwed up when we walked into kryta..... biggest mystake

caused everysingle thing that ever happened. us walkign into kryta. bad us :P

jules

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Xen of Sigils [XoO]

06 Dec 2005 at 10:50 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by hidden_agenda

in other words, by introducing too many branching arc, i think the story got incredibly messy and weak, not to mention inconsistent... oh well...

Yeah I love this game but it would be a whole lot better with a better storyline. After playing through PvE at least 3 times I'm still a bit confused about the plot.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

06 Dec 2005 at 11:35 - 11

Charr FTW!

Hopefully this allows for the Charr to come back in full force in Chapter 2. That or they have to abandon Tyria because the Charr take over. And when they get to Canatha, the monsters/people there disagree with us being there. And then the Charr visit.

Rajamic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

IA

Chronicles of Heroes [CoH]

R/Me

06 Dec 2005 at 11:52 - 12

The way I see it, the Mursaat/White Mantle had a good end with a bad means, and Khilbron (and the Shining Blade by association) had a bad end with good means.

Personally, I see them as two competing evil forces. Much like Cobra and Cobra-La in the old GI Joe cartoons. :-P

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

06 Dec 2005 at 12:07 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by dargon

1. The Mursaat sacrificed innocent people to the door in order to keep it closed. It required that the person being sacrificed have some sort of latent magical ability. Why not choose from their own population

You had to be a chosen. Being a chosen doesn't mean you just have magical ability. I'm sure if a Mursaat was found to be a chosen, he would have been sacrificed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lg5000

And then there is the whole thing of the Charr worshiping the Titans... or at least, the Charr statues you find even in pre-searing certainly resemble the Titans.

So does the statue outside Nolani Academy.

jonnybegood

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

huh?

The Final Exodus[FX]

06 Dec 2005 at 12:16 - 14

Quote:

not to mention inconsistent... oh well...

How in any way is the plot inconsistant?

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

06 Dec 2005 at 16:05 - 15

First off I would like to ask how anyone can say that the mursaat and the mantle were the good guys, for murdering inocent people and bining their souls to the bloodstone, thats like saying it is ok to kill someone becasue you need their organs.

If the Mursaat were so woried about the titans they could have done what we did.

Last of all, the Charr worship fire, the Stormcaller put out their fires, thats going to knock the starch out of their offensive.

striderkaaru

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer

W/

06 Dec 2005 at 16:23 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markaedw

First off I would like to ask how anyone can say that the mursaat and the mantle were the good guys, for murdering inocent people and bining their souls to the bloodstone, thats like saying it is ok to kill someone becasue you need their organs.

i think you're missing the bigger picture. the mursaat didn't kill the chosen for selfish reasons. they did it to protect the whole world from the titans. they may have taken the wrong path, but in their situation, what would you do? i'm sure they saw the lives of a few as a justifiable sacrifice when saving the lives of millions. they didn't know about the power of the lich and what his soul could do.

the shining blade didn't see the bigger picture either. all they saw were the "evils" committed by the mursaat, and dedicated their lives to stop that.

the real bad guy of the story would be that b*tch glint. she knew everything from the beginning and just let us do the dirty work.

Josh

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

England, UK

D/Mo

06 Dec 2005 at 16:29 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by dargon

1. The Mursaat sacrificed innocent people to the door in order to keep it closed. It required that the person being sacrificed have some sort of latent magical ability. Why not choose from their own population

2. The White Mantle made their bed when they supported the Mursaats killing, again, some of their numbers could have volunteered instead of grabbing people off the street.

3. Ascalon is in the same position it was when the whole mess started.

1. It is the Mursaat helping them, why should they volounteer themselves, when there making the ritual to sacrifice them, would Tyria want more Mursaat so they can keep the Gate of Komoli (spelling error?) closed so there world is safe?

2. Same again...

3. The whole leaving Ascalon while the Charr make havoc is right though, I thought that myself.

[EDIT]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markaedw

First off I would like to ask how anyone can say that the mursaat and the mantle were the good guys, for murdering inocent people and bining their souls to the bloodstone, thats like saying it is ok to kill someone becasue you need their organs.

If the Mursaat were so woried about the titans they could have done what we did.

Last of all, the Charr worship fire, the Stormcaller put out their fires, thats going to knock the starch out of their offensive.

Again, the Mursaat were protecting Tyria from the Titans...

Shusky

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Flying Purple Hippos

06 Dec 2005 at 16:35 - 18

I think the Titans have one more door beyond the Door of Khomalie, that they were determined to defend.

There's Gwen inside.

We RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up majorly.

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

06 Dec 2005 at 16:58 - 19

no one is answer my other claim, in agreeing with the Mursaat are you saying it is ok to grab someone off the street, kill them and take their organs, one death can save 6 people a net gain of 5, is that right? No! Niether was the Mantl and MUrsaat executing people to the stone.

The Mursaat did not care about Tyria, we were nothing more than sheep to them, they only cared about their own survival, and we had every right to destroy them to stop them from killing us.

Think about this. If the Mursaat found out that 1 million of our deaths at one time would seal the door forever, would they do it? Yes, in a heartbeat. Their attitude, "sucks to be you".

We are taking care of the titians, so obviously there is a third option. Us, we are protecting Tyria from the titans, the Mursaat were protecting themselves, humnas be damned.

I am seeing the "big picture", murder is murder, wrong is wrong, there is no grey area, there is no "it's wrong to kill, but not in this case"

Would you "volenteer" to be a chosen one, would you send your wife, husband, childern, brothers, sister or parents? Or would you grab a weapon and say, "over my dead body". I think the fact that the mantle had to lie is telling enough, for the mantle it was all about power, the rest of us be damned again.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

06 Dec 2005 at 17:02 - 20

and in the end of it all, ascalon is still screwed.

Ellix Cantero

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

06 Dec 2005 at 17:11 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by dargon

3. Ascalon is in the same position it was when the whole mess started.

Huh uh! Didn't you notice all those level 24 charr roaming around in the northlands now

The level 10 Ascalons are doomed!

Heck, with the right skills and runes, I bet one of those Charr Shaman could solo the entire Ascalon army now

Clockwork

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

06 Dec 2005 at 17:19 - 22

Quote:

I am seeing the "big picture", murder is murder, wrong is wrong, there is no grey area, there is no "it's wrong to kill, but not in this case"

But if they knew they could stop the Titans and thus incur 95% less deaths (albeit by sacrifice) don't they have a moral obligation to stop those extra deaths? Otherwise it would be indirect murder, because they COULD have stopped people dying, yet didn't because they were afraid of sacrificing one person.

striderkaaru

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer

W/

06 Dec 2005 at 17:23 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markaedw

no one is answer my other claim, in agreeing with the Mursaat are you saying it is ok to grab someone off the street, kill them and take their organs, one death can save 6 people a net gain of 5, is that right? No! Niether was the Mantl and MUrsaat executing people to the stone.

The Mursaat did not care about Tyria, we were nothing more than sheep to them, they only cared about their own survival, and we had every right to destroy them to stop them from killing us.

Think about this. If the Mursaat found out that 1 million of our deaths at one time would seal the door forever, would they do it? Yes, in a heartbeat. Their attitude, "sucks to be you".

We are taking care of the titians, so obviously there is a third option. Us, we are protecting Tyria from the titans, the Mursaat were protecting themselves, humnas be damned.

I am seeing the "big picture", murder is murder, wrong is wrong, there is no grey area, there is no "it's wrong to kill, but not in this case"

Would you "volenteer" to be a chosen one, would you send your wife, husband, childern, brothers, sister or parents? Or would you grab a weapon and say, "over my dead body". I think the fact that the mantle had to lie is telling enough, for the mantle it was all about power, the rest of us be damned again.

welcome to life. what would you have done in their shoes? kill off a few "cattle" to save the whole world or let the titans loose to possibly doom everyone?

saying "murder is murder, and it is wrong" is very noble and all, but what would you have done in their position? unless you have a better solution, all you have to say is nothing but noble sentiment.

and in the end, what did we do? we killed the mursaat to ensure our own survival. they killed us to ensure theirs, and we did the same. does that make it any more right just because it's "us"? in your definition, yes, what we did was wrong too. we murdered all of the mursaat. in your own definition: "murder is murder, wrong is wrong, there is no grey area, there is no 'it's wrong to kill, but not in this case'" so we were also in the wrong, and saying otherwise would be hypocritical.

and it's still all glint's fault.

Pr1nc355SaRa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

UK

Here Be Dragons

06 Dec 2005 at 17:45 - 24

i haven't completed the game fully... really shouldn't have read all that ^ whoops! lol.

hidden_agenda

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

06 Dec 2005 at 18:30 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by striderkaaru

welcome to life. what would you have done in their shoes? kill off a few "cattle" to save the whole world or let the titans loose to possibly doom everyone?

saying "murder is murder, and it is wrong" is very noble and all, but what would you have done in their position? unless you have a better solution, all you have to say is nothing but noble sentiment.

it might be worthwhile to consider the fact that, in the end, it only took only 1 (yes ONE!) death to close the door to Komalie -- that of the Lich.

so i don't really buy this "must kill the chosen to save the world" argument...

on a more practical side: it is possible to debate forever on whether ethics is bound by numbers... (people have been debating this since at least Plato) so let's not do that in this thread...

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

06 Dec 2005 at 18:31 - 26

/signed for glints fault.....

seriously, there are so many loopholes and gaps in thsi storyline, that chapter 2 is gonan have to do one of two things. either go back and re fill in the storyline as it is , or go off in a whole new direction with all new loopholes and gaps.....

hidden_agenda

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

06 Dec 2005 at 18:43 - 27

Most likely it would be option #2... Honestly, if I was one of the primary audience of this game, I'd be insulted. It was pretty clear that more thoughts were put into the color of Gwen's outfit than the plot...

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

06 Dec 2005 at 18:46 - 28

hmmm... too much time spent on gwen and even mentioning her later in the plot but no mention of char....... the plot thickens

striderkaaru

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer

W/

06 Dec 2005 at 18:50 - 29

but doesn't that make it more realistic? i mean, since when did real life fall together perfectly and make sense? mine seems to have a lot of gaps in the story...

besides, by leaving all of these holes, they allow room for more directions the story can take later on. it leaves you wanting more if things aren't wrapped up so nicely.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

06 Dec 2005 at 18:55 - 30

very very true strider, i cant argue with you on that. my life has a bunch of gaps too unfortunately....

They didnt totally leave a huge gap in the storyline, but a huge "grey area" shall we say.

*****SPOILER ALERT FOR NEW PLAYERS******

Rurik leads the ascalonians across the shiverpeaks for a better life away from the char. But what ever happens to ascalon then? see the grey area? what happens to the ascalonians after we go off with the white mantle? see the grey area? When did the white mantle join with the murrsaat, they werent in the jungle with them...? see the greay area? Ok we find that visor kilborn is the lich and he releases the titans across the world, what happens to the murrsaat if the dwarves couldnt defeat them? see the grey area?

striderkaaru

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer

W/

06 Dec 2005 at 19:11 - 31

*****MORE SPOILER ALERT FOR NEW PLAYERS******

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Rurik leads the ascalonians across the shiverpeaks for a better life away from the char. But what ever happens to ascalon then?

those who chose to stay in ascalon still serve king alder... umm... alder.. king aldernoob in a futile attempt to protect the remnants of the kingdom from any further charr onslaught. whether they can successfully hold off and rebuild or be run over by the charr, well, only time will tell.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

what happens to the ascalonians after we go off with the white mantle?

they are trying to rebuild their lives in the ascalon settlement north of lion's arch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

When did the white mantle join with the murrsaat, they werent in the jungle with them...?

i think they have always been allied with the mursaat. during that mission where you have to protect confessor dorian from waves of undead, if you look around you, you will discover that you are surrounded by jades. they didn't activate, but i guess because it wasn't time to reveal them yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Ok we find that visor kilborn is the lich and he releases the titans across the world, what happens to the murrsaat if the dwarves couldnt defeat them? see the grey area?

not sure about the remaining mursaat. only time will tell. or glint will, if you can get it out of her.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

06 Dec 2005 at 19:16 - 32

Yes i understand those points, but see where i said its more of a greay area than a hole in the storyline? How do we know that the char dont overrun the ascalonians later and complete their objective? How do we know the ascalonians will stay at the steelement in lions arch and not venture back home to see whats become of it? How do we know that the dwarves will win against the remaining murrsaat and if they dont, then what stops them from invading kryta or ascalon?

see my point? it gets kinda vague after you procede in the storyline

Talin Verderben

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Columbus, Ohio

Guild of Calamatous Intent Officer

R/

06 Dec 2005 at 19:24 - 33

They have to leave some grey areas in the storyline or else there would be no need for add ons. The liitle holes allow them to add content later on.

Keeps the players wanting more.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

06 Dec 2005 at 19:26 - 34

Yes but no one seems to have read my origional post. they are either gonan haveto come back to patch these grey areas, or go off in a whole different direction altogether. my theory is that they will come back and patch these otherwise how could chapter 1 players still interact with chapter 2 players?

hidden_agenda

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

06 Dec 2005 at 19:30 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by striderkaaru

but doesn't that make it more realistic? i mean, since when did real life fall together perfectly and make sense? mine seems to have a lot of gaps in the story...

besides, by leaving all of these holes, they allow room for more directions the story can take later on. it leaves you wanting more if things aren't wrapped up so nicely.

Perhaps I should explain myself better. When I talk about plot gaps, I am questioning the consistency of the story and "causes and effects" within the plot.

Some examples:

Would you, a hero of the ascalons, having fought through Charrs / Stone Summit Dwarves / Ettins / Undead in order to secure a place for your people in Kryta, so lightly throw it ALL away by turning around to join the Shining Blade? Just because the Mantle killed a few "chosen"?

What of your loyalty to your prince, who effectively entrusted the fate of the Ascalon refugees to you?

Similarly, what is the point of White Mantle's overture to the Ascalons or the acceptance of Ascalon refugees? The White Mantles KNEW that he Ascalons are infidels that worship the old gods. If you watch the cutscene carefully, Hablion actually made a big deal about the "stench of the infidels" before he kills the Chosen. So literally, why show any kindness to the Ascalons AT ALL?

Then, there is the whole thing about the trials in the desert and the ascension. Why bother? And apparently Ascension is not all that special either (like one person did it) -- no, everyone from Stefan, Orion, to Devona and Mhenlo did it. And the justification for ascension made no sense except that "you can now fight the Mursaat".
NOTE: ascension is not a requirement to get your armor infused...

I am not asking for a totally consistent plot. I would like to see a COHERENT plot -- something along the structure of a novel: introduction, rising tension / action, climax, and denouement.

Great rpg games (Planescape:Torment, Fallout, Baldurs Gate 2) tends to have great story-lines. I would like to see such along the storied missions in Guild Wars.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

06 Dec 2005 at 19:31 - 36

i think we will see another side of this story and more global conflicts that tie together with this from chapter 2.

Im betting its another group of people who got tangled up. As for filling in exactly what happens, its a possibility, but i doubt they will bother. Its more like...up to your interpretation i guess

Cyril Aspect

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Boston

N/W

06 Dec 2005 at 20:59 - 37

1 I agree the plot is barely coherent in a lot of ways. I really don't know how the lich was a plot twist since khilbron seems evil from day 1. The ascalonians are basically left for dead in a tiny little hamlet swarmed by giants. they don't evne get a map point! Does it makes any sense to let such a tiny tiny bit of ascalons people flee to a place just as bad? I mean the charr don't seem to be making any big incursions after you repel that first siege. and the horn works to drive them away so why not rally and live around it? I mean rurik is just showing his crazy leroy jenkins skills by charging headlong through a deadly mountain pass.

2 the mursaat started the white mantle. they set themselves up as gods when saul de' alessio wanders into the jungle. they do save kryta but only because they seem to like having worshippers.

ok ok three things I know there is more than one bloodstone so i'm sure those will appear since they were cast into volcanoes to keep the warring races from using them to their full potential. They seme to be the source of magic.

ok ok ok 4 things the snake people of the desert are on the gods side and helped steward the world in the early days of creation at the request of the gods. they came from the rift and yet we have all the ghostly humans moaning and whining about them even though they tried to kick them out first. I hate helping those tool in the ascension missions.

whew ok all done

Me Burn U

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Wouldn't You Like to Know?

Doomfollower Legion

E/Me

06 Dec 2005 at 21:44 - 38

Who's to say we're the good guys in this game? For all we know the Mursaat are trying to stop us from "un"-protecting the world from the Titans. Anyways I'm sure the plot will clear up some more but basically all we know right now is... Gwen is evil O_O

Cjlr

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

SMS

E/Me

06 Dec 2005 at 22:06 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellix Cantero

Didn't you notice all those level 24 charr roaming around in the northlands now

The level 10 Ascalons are doomed!

Nah, no big deal... Just get together the old Ascalon Vanguard, there's more than a million members after all, seeing as how EVERY player in the game was at one point inducted...

uby

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

P/

06 Dec 2005 at 22:20 - 40

It's somewhat obvious that the Lich used us to open the Door of Komalie, which was being protected by the Mursaat - who we assume know of the powerful Titans kept within. Just because the Mursaat protected the door does not imply they aren't guilty of other crimes as mentioned earlier in this thread (killing of innocents at the Bloodstone).

Yes, I agree about the entire Ascension part of the story -- there truly is no reason for us to do it other than as a way to meet Glint. I guess she uses it to screen potential chosen, since she doesn't know exactly who will be the ones to destroy the Mursaat and open the Door. Her concept of time is different than ours, so the other potential chosen (ie - Elonians, etc) might well have been sent to the Ring of Fire if not for the trials. Still, a pretty tedious exercise just to have the chance to talk briefly to Glint.

They need to better explain the Charr and how they unleashed such destruction upon Ascalon -- the old magics which were given by the gods were somehow discovered by the lowly, stupid Charr? I don't buy that.

I'd also like to see more of the Dwarven forces that are on the King's side. We see thousands of stone summit, and all of their resources, but the King's followers get a few towns here and there? (Beacon's Perch, Droknar's Forge, and a few outposts) Not very believable.