How to adsend for mo/mes in lvl 8?

rugal nuker

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

E/Mo

I wanna adsend and im lvl 8...anyone can teach me how can i kill my mirrior? what skills to use? Please?

I will greatly apreciate it,Thanks.

chosenbygod

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

California

[BC]Black Crescent

You can ascend by going back and doing the missions and getting to a higher lvl. If you ascend at this point you wont be lvl 20 neways so why bother, but if you insist on trying to ascend at that lvl, just backfire him to death with domi skills.

rugal nuker

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by chosenbygod
You can ascend by going back and doing the missions and getting to a higher lvl. If you ascend at this point you wont be lvl 20 neways so why bother, but if you insist on trying to ascend at that lvl, just backfire him to death with domi skills.
THANKS! just backfire? no other skills?

coolsti

coolsti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Denmark

Quote:
Originally Posted by rugal nuker
THANKS! just backfire? no other skills?
The fact that you have to ask this is a great indication that you should do everyone you may party with in the future a favor, and go back and do the quests and missions to learn about your character's two professions!

Just backfire, no other skills? Doh, how does backfire work? When your foe has backfire on him, he will take damage every time he tries to cast a spell. Now, if you fight your doppel and only equip backfire, then your doppel ALSO only has equipped backfire. So what spell will your doppel be casting so as to hurt itself because of the backfire?

Tetris L

Tetris L

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Germany

Servants of Fortuna

coolsti: Casting backfire would trigger the backfire, wouldn't it?

rugal nuker: Please have a look at this thread in the Community Works forum.

rugal nuker

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

E/Mo

so...will i die if im only lvl 8 with little amount of hp and he shot a few arrows and im dead?

Caelus The Fallen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Glasgow

Voice of the Darkness

E/Mo

I went with Backfire, Illusion of Weakness, Shatter Enchantment, Laugh at Stupid Doppleganger.
He will cast through Backfire, and he will hurt himself with Illusion, which you can then shatter to prevent him getting the heal, plus doing more damage.

Whispering Siren

Whispering Siren

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

1. backfire has a long recharge, so only taking backfire with you would be pointless as it wears off before it recharges and he'll have nothing to trigger the backfire.

2. shattering illusion of weakness DOES trigger the heal... when illusion of weakness ends, no matter how it's triggered, you get healed. that's the point, no?

3. use backfire, empathy and some spammable pointless skills that wont' hurt you when he uses em.

4. honestly, stop getting run places and learn to play your character.

oh, and coolsti, your cat is cute.

Caelus The Fallen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Glasgow

Voice of the Darkness

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whispering Siren
2. shattering illusion of weakness DOES trigger the heal... when illusion of weakness ends, no matter how it's triggered, you get healed. that's the point, no?
Really? He just kinda died for me (I used this just last night), and all i cast was backfire and shatter. The only thing i can think of was he hit 0 from the backfire due to his casting and from my shatter applied to illusion, and didnt get the heal cause you can get healed from dead.
Oh well, I ascended in about 15 seconds no matter the cause

Lady Ting

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

nyc

Chaos Muffinz

W/R

I acended from lvl 6 --> lvl 17 i think it was 17 all i did was take all my heals off so dopple only has heal sig then use aura of faith + Balths aura + symbol of wrath, when hes half dead hes going to use heal sig thats what you use leech signet to intrupet him its easy

striderkaaru

striderkaaru

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by rugal nuker
I wanna adsend and im lvl 8...anyone can teach me how can i kill my mirrior? what skills to use? Please?

I will greatly apreciate it,Thanks.
learn how to play your character.
best advice i can give.

FCtSteveO

FCtSteveO

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Im not sure if they changed this but Ive always used Healing breeze because the Dopple doesnt know or didnt know how to use it. Otherwise I would level some, maybe to 13 or 14 because its easy to level after u ascend, just go do some quests in sorrows furnace. For mesmer skills, just bring something that wouldnt deal alot of dmg back to you.

Edit: I like what Caelus mentioned about Illusion of weakness+shatter Enchantment, I would try that first.

Nate66

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

here is an idea, DONT

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

Seriously why do you want to ascend and go into the harder missions of the game at a lvl 8? take your time, learn to play your char and ascend later. I dont care how hard up GW is for monks, youll still not get a group at lvl 8 in Iron Mines or THK and even if u do ascend, you wont jump to lvl 20. youll be like lvl 16 or 17 and u still wont get a group.

striderkaaru

striderkaaru

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MistressYichi
Seriously why do you want to ascend and go into the harder missions of the game at a lvl 8? take your time, learn to play your char and ascend later. I dont care how hard up GW is for monks, youll still not get a group at lvl 8 in Iron Mines or THK and even if u do ascend, you wont jump to lvl 20. youll be like lvl 16 or 17 and u still wont get a group.
agreed. not to mention, if you don't even know how to use the skills currently at your disposal, you will be next to useless in any group.

The Acolyte

The Acolyte

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Seekers of Justice ~ SoJ

Quote:
Originally Posted by chosenbygod
If you ascend at this point you wont be lvl 20 neways so why bother, but if you insist on trying to ascend at that lvl, just backfire him to death with domi skills.
This is innacurate...I beat my mirror at lvl 15 with my Mo/R, and I was automatically leveled to lvl 20 when I beat it.

DeanBB

DeanBB

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Arizona

Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com

/signed, level up and learn how to play first.

I ascended my level 20 elem/mo last night and equipped healing breeze, retribution and conjure flame for me to use. I tossed in each of the attunements so he would waste time casting them.

Then just shot him and reflected his damage back. I never even had to use HB. Same way everyone with monk as a profession should do it.

LotharOvsothian

LotharOvsothian

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Houston, TX

Warrior Nation

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Acolyte
This is innacurate...I beat my mirror at lvl 15 with my Mo/R, and I was automatically leveled to lvl 20 when I beat it.
just because you got to lvl 20 at lvl 15 through ascension doesnt mean its an instant lvl 20 for anyone who ascends. if you are under lvl 15 and you ascend, you will not be lvl 20 afterwards, unless you get bonus as well.

as for the mo/me strat, best thing i found to do was to bring the following:

healing breeze
bane signet
signet of judgement

its incredibly easy to predict when he is going to cast bane signet and SoJ, so just time your own sigs to go off while he is casting his and interrupt him with the knockdown, and of course, he never uses healing breeze, so feel free to always have it on you :P

btw, its incredibly easy to predict when he uses his sigs because he uses them as soon as he possibly can every time.

Rico Carridan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Eternal Comrades

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Acolyte
This is innacurate...I beat my mirror at lvl 15 with my Mo/R, and I was automatically leveled to lvl 20 when I beat it.
You get 50000 xp for beating your dopple. At level 15, that should give you just enough xp to level to 20. If you were a couple levels lower (I think ~12 is the breaking point, but I haven't done the math), then you would not get to 20.

To the OP... ugg... go back to ascalon city and learn how to play.

Rico

dustbunny

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

To the OP:

Do you know what the point of fighting the doppleganger is and why you ascend when you defeat it? You defeat it by using the knowledge you've gained about the skills that you've accumulated. Now you have to use all that you know and put them together in a way to defeat a single foe. It is a test whether you've mastered the skills of your chosen profession. If you cannot conceivably come up with skillsets out of the skills you've acquired to attempt to defeat your enemy, then you should not be at this part of the game.

Do you honestly believe that you or your character are capable of playing the role of a monk primary in a party in the missions ahead?

But this is probably falling on deaf ears.

Damon Windwalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Wandering Gits

Quote:
Originally Posted by dustbunny
Do you honestly believe that you or your character are capable of playing the role of a monk primary in a party in the missions ahead?
Doesn't really matter if OP thinks that or not. No party will accept that low a level of monk in later missions. Aside from the low skill levels, think about how few skills one would have....

Heck - I've seen lvl19 monks get turned down out of parties...

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

Personally i can tel lyou exacticalyl the easiest way for any mes primary or mes secondary to ascend at almost any lvl, but id suggest playign and learning your skills. you can ascend with only 2 skilsl once you figure out how to play them and they are both domination skills, thats all the more ill hint at, up to you to figutre out which ones and the strategy on how to use them

p.s. i forgot i gave them away in another thread already....

Funda

Funda

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Arcane Nexus [ANX]

N/Mo

Agreed. Learn your character thru. A lvl 17 Monk is useless especially in shiverpeaks and fire islands, if they dont know how to use their skills to the best of their ability. I'll tell you right now, a lvl 17 recently ascended monk vs. Lina or Mhenlo -- im taking Mhenlo. I know what I'm getting with him. Rushing does not pay, especially for a crucial profession like Monk.

MrMoo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Death Jesters

Mo/Me

When i asscended the second time, i did it for no apparent reason, i think it was due to a moments inspiration (i had real difficulty the first time, took me ages to master countering and then it was by luck, i died one second before him) i took scourge healing, breeze and a lot of heal spells, cast scourge on him immedietly then breeze on myself before he got scourge on me then watched him heal himself to death! It wasn't fast but it was funny.

badd

badd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Philly

W/Mo

dont rush the game is ur new.

Shimus DarkRaven

Shimus DarkRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Titusville, PA <nowhere>

KOD <Knights of the Dragonrose><Guild Officer>

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by LotharOvsothian
just because you got to lvl 20 at lvl 15 through ascension doesnt mean its an instant lvl 20 for anyone who ascends. if you are under lvl 15 and you ascend, you will not be lvl 20 afterwards, unless you get bonus as well.

as for the mo/me strat, best thing i found to do was to bring the following:

healing breeze
bane signet
signet of judgement

its incredibly easy to predict when he is going to cast bane signet and SoJ, so just time your own sigs to go off while he is casting his and interrupt him with the knockdown, and of course, he never uses healing breeze, so feel free to always have it on you :P

btw, its incredibly easy to predict when he uses his sigs because he uses them as soon as he possibly can every time.
<CoughRemoveallskillsbuthealingbreezeandmeleehimto deathwithastaffcough>

If you can decipher my statement above, with any Mo or /Mo secondary, all you need to do is just take healing breeze. Dopple NEVER uses it, unless it's conditional! Therefore, you do the math. He won't use hb. You can. You win.

--The Shim

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

how my mesmer had it so easy:

Backfire, Empathy, Distortion, move around.

You never have to attack once.