Whats so wrong with these bows? Is it the ugly no-detail skin? Is there something I'm not seeing. According to gw wiki they have 10% sundering built in. I bought a max dmg, low req, 15% always (-10 armor) shadow bow today for 10k... TEN THOUSAND. A Storm Bow like that would go for hundreds of thousands.
Whats wrong with em?
Why are Shadow Bows so unpopular?
widds2v
dargon
Slow and innaccurate, they are basically reskinned horn bows, which unless you want the believed but not documented 20% armor pen, just aren't worth it.
RTSFirebat
As stated, their refire rate is shockingly slow, and the armor penteration has never been comfirmed by A.net.
Pompeyfan
Shockingly slow? We're talking .2 secs slower than anything other than low range short/half-moon bows - hardly that much of an issue, especially if a stance, prep or spirit is used, and I don't know where in-accurate comes from, the most in-accurate is the popular flat-bow due to it's high arc, and I'd have thought Storm/long bows due to the longer ranger giving more chance to miss..
I've tested a few bows with my ranger and prefer the shadow/horn/ivory class as they do seem to do more damage.
I've tested a few bows with my ranger and prefer the shadow/horn/ivory class as they do seem to do more damage.
Snowman
I suppose it depends what your shooting at
For RPG I dont see it making so much of a difference.. but in PvP these small differences makes the difference between a win or a lose, and so people will spend all their money on obtaining that small competative edge.
For RPG I dont see it making so much of a difference.. but in PvP these small differences makes the difference between a win or a lose, and so people will spend all their money on obtaining that small competative edge.
Yichi
I love shadow bows. the black skin makes them really mean looking and being a hunter, i like things camoflague 
I have a max shadow on weapon one, and a really nice storm on weapon 2, with a perfect longbow on weap 3 so i can cover all ranges.
Azn D
The shadow bow looks cool as hell, but they are so so slow to me, storm bows seem much faster and have better range. If it was fast as a half moon then i'll use it all day everyday 
BigTru
Well, Gaile Gray hinted at it quite some while ago. I definitaly believe they have some Armor Pentration in it. Does that make them worth it for PvP? No. Are they gimp? Definitaly not.
dargon
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I love shadow bows. the black skin makes them really mean looking and being a hunter, i like things camoflague
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Yichi
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Uhm, if I understand correctly, the storm bow and the long bow are the same, just different skin.
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Epinephrine
I don't use any bow with more than a 2 second reload time. Anything slower just isn't worth it in my book. Flatbow at a range, short/halfmoon up close, use RTW or FW if you are worried about strays/strafing. Little reason to use anything else. I suppose you could justify the recurve for interrupting.
Shadowspawn X
I think the mursatt Horn bow just overshadowed the shadow bow for a while because it was the bow of the month for so long.
The refire rate is the same as a standard horn bow at 2.7 sec , the 10% AP is also the same as a regular horn bow, you can do your own testing by hitting something with a hornbow then hitting the same object with the shadow bow and you see the same damage. you also have a 142 ft range. I think its a hornbow. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck.
They both fire from 167 feet , 2.5 sec refire rate.
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As stated, their refire rate is shockingly slow, and the armor penteration has never been comfirmed by A.net.
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Weird because the long bow fires from further away then amy storm does.....
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Yichi
hmm... then i have a long bow worth almost 100k to sell. thanks for that info
Athis Strider
If I would have know more about the game in the beginning, I certainly would have collected more bows rather than buy them. The collectors bows have awsome stats and costs next to nothing compared to Horn, halfmoons ect.
I once was told by a player during a transaction conversation that when GW came out, there was +15% unconditional bows. No -negative factors what so ever. Apparently these got nerfed ASAP. Is this true? Are these bows still out there in the posssesion of some lucky players?
I once was told by a player during a transaction conversation that when GW came out, there was +15% unconditional bows. No -negative factors what so ever. Apparently these got nerfed ASAP. Is this true? Are these bows still out there in the posssesion of some lucky players?
unienaule
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As stated, their refire rate is shockingly slow, and the armor penteration has never been comfirmed by A.net.
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Lasher Dragon
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If I would have know more about the game in the beginning, I certainly would have collected more bows rather than buy them. The collectors bows have awsome stats and costs next to nothing compared to Horn, halfmoons ect.
I once was told by a player during a transaction conversation that when GW came out, there was +15% unconditional bows. No -negative factors what so ever. Apparently these got nerfed ASAP. Is this true? Are these bows still out there in the posssesion of some lucky players? |
As far as 15% always bows, I've never seen one. I've been playing since the last beta as a ranger and never heard of one. That doesn't mean they weren't in the game at some point, but I kinda doubt it.
Omnidragon42
The Ascalon shortbow that you get in the desert for 5 hydra claws is all you ever need. doesnt look to spiffy, but great stats. (its what i use, with a sundering and fortitude upgrade 
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burai
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The Ascalon shortbow that you get in the desert for 5 hydra claws is all you ever need. doesnt look to spiffy, but great stats. (its what i use, with a sundering and fortitude upgrade
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The only way to distinguish between them is to use different mods as a reminder.
Shadow Sword Strike
shadow bows have horrible stats that is the sole reason that they are unpopular
kimo the healer
Plus they drop like crazy in fow.
sirelricthemad
so even a gold req 8 near perfect 12>50 sundering 9/10 fortitude 28 shadow bow won't be worth anything?
Bah. One dropped in FoW for me the other day and was hoping to offload it.
Bah. One dropped in FoW for me the other day and was hoping to offload it.
{IceFire}
if anyone wants one for testing, i have several for rather cheap on my uw/fow auction. [link]http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92805[/link]
Valerius
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Mathias Deathwater
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Actually, Gaile confirmed that one of the bows has armor penetration anyway.
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heist23
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Whats so wrong with these bows? Is it the ugly no-detail skin? Is there something I'm not seeing. According to gw wiki they have 10% sundering built in. I bought a max dmg, low req, 15% always (-10 armor) shadow bow today for 10k... TEN THOUSAND. A Storm Bow like that would go for hundreds of thousands.
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that's pretty much it. i think they're teh secks, but that's my opinion.
burai
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imo that's kinda the point of collector weapons... to look plain and all the same... but still have great stats... if u want a bow that looks great... u have to be willing to fork over the gold
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Shmash Witdaclub
Quote Athis Strider (for some reason i cannot quote things atm)
"I once was told by a player during a transaction conversation that when GW came out, there was +15% unconditional bows. No -negative factors what so ever. Apparently these got nerfed ASAP. Is this true? Are these bows still out there in the posssesion of some lucky players?"
I know I have seen pics of other weapons with this perfect mod on guru before, not sure if I have ever seen a bow with this type of stat. I would guess that since there were other weapons such as this at one time - that these bows once existed too.
Shmash
"I once was told by a player during a transaction conversation that when GW came out, there was +15% unconditional bows. No -negative factors what so ever. Apparently these got nerfed ASAP. Is this true? Are these bows still out there in the posssesion of some lucky players?"
I know I have seen pics of other weapons with this perfect mod on guru before, not sure if I have ever seen a bow with this type of stat. I would guess that since there were other weapons such as this at one time - that these bows once existed too.
Shmash
burai
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Quote Athis Strider (for some reason i cannot quote things atm)
"I once was told by a player during a transaction conversation that when GW came out, there was +15% unconditional bows. No -negative factors what so ever. Apparently these got nerfed ASAP. Is this true? Are these bows still out there in the posssesion of some lucky players?" I know I have seen pics of other weapons with this perfect mod on guru before, not sure if I have ever seen a bow with this type of stat. I would guess that since there were other weapons such as this at one time - that these bows once existed too. Shmash |
That's what I have heard too. People are still selling them apparently, though it could be a scam I guess. I often see 'bow - 15% all the time' in the trade channel, though I couldn't afford one - so I've never seen one myself.
Vilaptca
Most people when they say 15% all the time mean 15% with some sort of penalty, like -5 Energy, -1 Health Regen, or -10 armor while attacking.
But yeah, there are pictures of items with damage mods and no negatives. I wouldn't expect to ever see them sold in game, they have to be insanely rare and valuable.
But yeah, there are pictures of items with damage mods and no negatives. I wouldn't expect to ever see them sold in game, they have to be insanely rare and valuable.
Epinephrine
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Agreed. I don't have a problem with them being plain looking - I would just like them to look different from eachother. Maybe the shortbow could just be a shorter version of the Ascalon. Even if they just made the name different - like 'Ascalon Flatbow', etc.
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Maxiemonster
It's the refire rate, it just totally ruins the bow. 2.7 second maybe seems like few, but it reduces the dmg pretty badly compared to a 2.0 seconds bow
15-28/2.0 = 7.5-14.0 Damage per second
15-28/2.7 = 5.5-10.3 Damage per second
And this is only the base damage, combining this with skills (Ignite Arrows etc.) would only make it worse. This bow is just a no no, sine the 10% AP isn't that great either.
And about the Collector's (Ascalon) bows. I actually love them. I love to switch weapons, and still have the same look. Don't ask me why, I just do And it doesn't matter when it comes to damage at all, so why not?
15-28/2.0 = 7.5-14.0 Damage per second
15-28/2.7 = 5.5-10.3 Damage per second
And this is only the base damage, combining this with skills (Ignite Arrows etc.) would only make it worse. This bow is just a no no, sine the 10% AP isn't that great either.
And about the Collector's (Ascalon) bows. I actually love them. I love to switch weapons, and still have the same look. Don't ask me why, I just do
yangster
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Yeah, she confirmed that one of them has armor penetration. That doesn't necessarily mean it's this one. I heard some theories that it was another kind somewhere, can't remember which one though.
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Valerius
well... i would hope it's the hornbow class that does have the initial 10% AP... if it isn't... why the hell would ANeT make such a crappy bow? :P