Warrior/Ranger

gunman

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

08 May 2005 at 04:24 - 1

i havent bought the game yet, but im thinking about builds, Warrior/Ranger intrigues me because rangers have pets is there a way to be a warrior while meleeing have your pet along side you kicking butt as well? or is that just my insane wishes?

Nitro

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

08 May 2005 at 04:47 - 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunman

Yes it is possible.

xxstalker24xx

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

09 May 2005 at 10:33 - 3

I am a warrior/ranger and i have a level 10 melandru's stalker pet that kicks butt when i am meleeing with it.

Judas Hawksriff

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Guardians Of Gwen

W/R

09 May 2005 at 11:31 - 4

Yeah, atm, Im a Lvl 8 W/R, but I use a bow at distance while my pet goes in for the kill, keeping me out of harms way, but if its getting too much for the lil' guy (btw his name's spot), i'll run in and melee along side him!

Pariah

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Lords of Cabal

09 May 2005 at 12:33 - 5

I'm a level 12 W/R and I have a level 10 stalker too. Me and "Kitty" (my daughter named it) battle right along side each other.

Sultan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

09 May 2005 at 12:58 - 6

now imagine being a level 20 warrior (11 Strength, 11 Swordsmanship, 10 Beastmastery) and having a lvl 20 pet alongside and you'll appreciate the joy of being me....

we usually solo with a healer hench alongside...

Xphile

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

09 May 2005 at 17:02 - 7

Question, does anyone know if strength works with bow damage as well? And if so, if you use piercing shot does it do 20+X% (X being your strength) Armor penetration? Or does it stay with the 20%

Dreamsmith

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Minnesota

Beguine Guild [BGN]

09 May 2005 at 19:15 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xphile

Question, does anyone know if strength works with bow damage as well? Nope.

I think a W/R "Beastmaster" build would work best playing like the actual Beastmaster, Dar, who, IIRC, used a sword. Been a while since I've seen that movie, though...

sparx

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

florida babee

09 May 2005 at 23:05 - 9

just became a ranger as my 2ndary and now that i have a companion, i couldnt be happier!

Inskipp

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

10 Jul 2005 at 05:39 - 10

Even though I finished the PvE with a W/R build using mostly henchmen, I'm still not sure of the best skill set to use. I like to bring my lvl 20 pet "Askem", but I need two slots to keep him alive. One for Charm Animal and one for Comfort Animal. So I usually use just warrior skills, and throw in a Winter or Greater Conflaguration depending where I am. Greater Conflaguration is nice to have in the frozen area, as it changes all physical damage to fire damage. Winter is very helpful in "Hell's Precipice".

So here are the builds I use, and I beat "Hell's Precipice" with henchmen using this one:

Strength: 12+1
Swordsmanship: 12+3
Wilderness Survival: 3

1. Savage Slash
2. Pure Strike
3. Galrath Slash
4. Seeking Blade
5. Final Thrust
6. Sprint
7. Winter (Only ranger skill used, gives party 54 seconds of the spirit, 6 seconds to recharge after that)
8. Capture signet/Resurrection Signet

I swap out Winter for Greater Conflaguration when I skill capture in the frozen areas.

No elite skils in this build, they're not needed for PvE.

But now I want to PvP, and am trying to figure out the best build. I'm looking at something like this right now:

Strength: 12+1
Swordsmanship: 12+3
Tactics: 3+1

1. Savage Slash
2. Pure Strike
3. Galrath Slash
4. Seeking Blade
5. Final Thrust
6. Sprint
7. Endure Pain
8. Defy Pain (elite)

Using this build is pure warrior, and it doesn't matter what your secondary is. If I use Endure Pain (12 seconds) and Defy Pain (8 seconds), I have a total of 1019 hp, for a short while, which helps. So my question is, how will I hold up in PvP playing as a tank with this build? Is there a ranger skill that would be more useful? Keep in mind I like melee and my sword.

Vigilante

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

FLORIDA!

Waffle House! WOFL 4 LIFE!

R/E

10 Jul 2005 at 06:56 - 11

The Red Knight

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Zero Files Remaining [LaG]

R/Mo

10 Jul 2005 at 10:58 - 12

w/r is great id use sword because cripple is readly avaliable to pound the snot out of them with tigers fury and use warriors endurance to help manage energy between the hamstring and tigers. Use pure strike and seeking if theres another sword warrior in your gvg or tombs group
9 beast mastery
9 + 1 strength
12 +1 +3 sword

sever/pure strike
gash/seeking blade
savage
final
hamstring
tigers fury
sprint
warriors endurance{e}

axe w/r has some great combos like apply posion and cyclone axe aoe posion for pve anybody?

penetrating blow
eviscerate{e}
axe rake
disrupting chop
sprint
for great justice
tigers fury
predatory season

Rayea

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

west yorkshire, Uk

Sisters of Serenity

N/Mo

10 Jul 2005 at 11:07 - 13

yup, Dar used a sword

and im glad i saw this thread, as i was thinking about the subject myself.
seemed to me that r/w was less usefull, since the ranger part as primary meant that the warrior part as second was of much less use, but the other way round ^^ was much more usefull.

(man, my mom loves that film heheh, but thinks the second and third ones were useless...bah, she watches soaps all day, what does she know about a good film heheh )

The Red Knight

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Zero Files Remaining [LaG]

R/Mo

10 Jul 2005 at 11:10 - 14

r/w is good too :b expertise+ all the spamable 5 energy warrior skills you can grab ^_^

Arclyte

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

10 Jul 2005 at 13:13 - 15

I named my pet "Peave"

Myodato

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

WOR

Mo/

10 Jul 2005 at 14:20 - 16

R/W > W/R because Expertise >Strength.

This is especially true with energy draining Beast Mastery skills.

Nasenbluten

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

VA BABY

Morbid Anihillation

R/Me

10 Jul 2005 at 15:01 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xphile

Question, does anyone know if strength works with bow damage as well? And if so, if you use piercing shot does it do 20+X% (X being your strength) Armor penetration? Or does it stay with the 20% Bow Damage runs off of your marksmanship and expertise skills mostly,strength is for warrior skills.Nothing on your warrior side will help your ranger side (attribute points wise) and vice versa for your ranger side.

IMo if you want a good class to mix with a warrior stay monk, i know it's a widely used build but its great for starters, and you can farm later with them.

Poup_owns_you

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sons of Thor

W/R

13 Aug 2005 at 04:50 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vigilante

Warrior Rangers suck. I recommend this build for them:

7 Swords Mastery
7 Axe Mastery
7 Hammer Mastery
7 Marksmanship
3 Strength
2 Tactics
3 Expertise

Put superior runes on all your armor. They don't hurt you at all, it's very worthwhile.
THAT is one of the most retarded comments ive seen. First, ive had a total of 6 characters most level 15 and up ( 4 level 20 ): r/e, w/mo, w/e, m/e, e/mo and W/R

W/R is the best ive seen yet

AND THAT BUILD IS RETARDED!!!!

its way too spread out

I suggest go all on swordsmansip, tactics and wilderness survival or beast mastery

Get apply poison and troll unguent for wilderness survival ( maybe dust traps or barbed trap or healing springs )

Get gladiator's defense ( elite ), desperation blow, galrath slash, final thrust and other

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

13 Aug 2005 at 06:14 - 19

I think Vigilante is just TRYING to be funny. Notice how no one laughed though?

Vigilante

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

FLORIDA!

Waffle House! WOFL 4 LIFE!

R/E

14 Aug 2005 at 05:32 - 20

Noone laughed because you are all stupid and think that W/R is actually a decent build. Mod, please close this.

Yukito Kunisaki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

W/N

15 Aug 2005 at 04:57 - 21

Ah, we have the know-it-alls talking now.

Any build combo works. ANY build combo works. The game was designed with this in mind...

If you're the type of person who thinks W/X never works, it's due to one thing. You're a noob who doesn't understand the elements of gameplay and refuse to believe there's more than one way to skin a victim...

W/R with a pet you say? That's actually pretty damn good because, the pet possess CHEAP as HECK warrior skills in terms of both energy efficiency and utility....

You're a warrior right? You want a cheap snare? Set off Maiming Strike with Call of Haste. "BUT THAT'S SO EXPENSIVE" you say? Well, Call is 30s. So that energy regen you get in 30s. is obviously worth it. Maiming strike only hurts people who move? Well who's gonna outrun your pet with a 30s. stance/enchantment? [nobody] They'll have to disable your pet from hitting in order for this snare NOT to land... (get the skill mechanic now boys and girls? ^_^)

The warrior can displace himself using his pet. (If you don't know what that means, you can ask nicely or be forever noobed...

)

The Pet Elite, Ferocious Strike gives UBER energy and since both of you are melee attackers, one compliments the other. This would be my turn out if I even fathomed something like this... (I didn't test it but in theory it'd be satisfying)

Stats: 10+2 swords, 10+1 Strength, 11 Beast Mastery

Sever Artery
Gash
Seeking Blade
Savage Slash
Ferocious Strike {E}
Maiming Strike
Call of Haste
Charm Animal

The energy from Ferocious Strike will feed Seeking Blade and the other skill strikes quite well. No need for a speed boost or snare since that's what your pet is. A living disembodiement of a snare that is nigh impossible to escape [unless you're fighting a foe who rightfully fears getting hit by this pet.]

combat mechanic: Snare your foes and shut them out of the fight using repeated Savage Slash. Seeking Blade is guarunteed to hit all the time every time [unless you're blinded/hexed] and Bleeding/Deep Wound only adds to the punishment...

Enjoy... ^_^

Zeru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

15 Aug 2005 at 05:52 - 22

Quote:

Ah, we have the know-it-alls talking now. Any build combo works. ANY build combo works. The game was designed with this in mind... This is pure silliness, you know better.

Any build works better than nothing. I'd rather have someone with every possible crap skill than 7/8 people. That doesn't mean that the build works or is good, unless the purpose is to suck.

The strat forums are here to help people get better at the game. Telling them anything works is not doing that all, because some things are obviously better than others, and unless your goal is to lose, running a clearly inferior build is just stupid.

Experiment_Jon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Band Geeks

W/Mo

15 Aug 2005 at 07:00 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vigilante

Noone laughed because you are all stupid and think that W/R is actually a decent build. Mod, please close this.
Until you get Charge, W/R is actually the best running build, since you can just use sprint, stormchaser, and dodge, cycling through the 3. But R/W is just bad. What kind of genius ranger uses a sword?

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

15 Aug 2005 at 13:09 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeru

I'd rather have 7/8 people than an idiot with crappy skills. He'll probably aggro things, or use skills that mess up my character..., or put a useless enchantment on me when the opponents have loads of enchantment shattering/stripping, just feeding me damage or feeding my enemies health.

As for W/R being crappy: For ages I have taken the side of those who argue that every character class combo is worthwhile, and I still think that there are reasons for basically any combination - but W/R is one of the weaker combos in terms of what it offers, so you should look at it pretty carefully to see why you want it - after all, many Ranger skills are prohibitively expensive for a Warrior, especially the bow attacks. So you can't use expertise (no attribute), you can't use marksmanship really (skills are too pricey), wilderness survival is possible, but many skills are still pricey there, a few are worthwhile, and then you have pets. Pets are not exactly overpowered, but they seem to be re-balancing pets and I've seen some good pet use. I have a ranger myself with a lvl 20 pet (wolf, I am thinking of getting a new pet, but I don't want to re-level it...) and have played with 15 (11+3+1)beastmastery and 5 pet skills, so I have some experience with them - and they're not bad for PvE - haven't tried them in PvP. I found that I liked being able to use the pet skills constantly, every pet attack was a special skill and the disrupting lunge every 3rd attack or so was handy as heck against any kind of caster boss. Not sure that a warrior could afford that - I did it based on a high expertise score to make it cheaper, but if you were willing to use an elite slot for your pet the energy and adrenaline that the pet generates might be enough. So the only real reasons to have a ranger secondary for a warrior would be from the BM and WS lines. Can it work? Sure, it can I guess - especially in team build depending on having lots of pets up - why not? Is it the most effective use of a warrior? Probably not, but as long as you are playing for fun, that doesn't matter too much, and there may be times/team builds in which it is actually better. Those are the ones you'd want to find

Quote:

Originally Posted by Experiment_Jon

Until you get Charge, W/R is actually the best running build, since you can just use sprint, stormchaser, and dodge, cycling through the 3. But R/W is just bad. What kind of genius ranger uses a sword? Ok - first off: I have a R/W, and I am a bow user, so not all R/W use a sword. Why take R/W? Well, I needed to unlock warrior skills... and it makes for a decent runner, since I have Charge and Balanced Stance. Since I typically run all ranger skills or possibly (at most) 1-2 warrior skills with my ranger skills it really doesn't matter what my secondary is - warrior works as well as any, and gives me access to the skills I need to be able to run with the character. Granted, I am mostly doing it to unlock skills, but since you don't really need to use secondary proffession skills as a ranger, working one skill in from time to time isn't too bad. A long argument about the worthiness of R/W meleers is ongoing in these forums, and while the two sides will never meet, the fact is that there must be a role for the R/W or it wouldn't see so much success. Or the players who make it work are better. But it sure as heck isn't crippling the teams that run it, so it can't be that bad, and my feeling is that it may not be optimal for every role, but is more than adequate at some and may be better than W/* in a few.

Yukito Kunisaki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

W/N

15 Aug 2005 at 14:41 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeru

This is pure silliness, you know better.

Any build works better than nothing. I'd rather have someone with every possible crap skill than 7/8 people. That doesn't mean that the build works or is good, unless the purpose is to suck.

The strat forums are here to help people get better at the game. Telling them anything works is not doing that all, because some things are obviously better than others, and unless your goal is to lose, running a clearly inferior build is just stupid. There's a difference between "anything works". To "any class combo works". You can be a W/E and have useless skills as well. You're probably one of those people who won't take the time to figure out a battle system for W/R. Every class combo has a battle system of some sort. And there's never only one.

Conjure Ele W/E or Aftershock W/E? Fear Me Echo W/Me or Flourish Blackout W/Me? Smiting W/Mo or Bodyguard W/Mo? High Dmg W/N or Condition/Disruption W/N? Venomous W/R or Wolfchild W/R?

I find battle systems were the skills synergize. If you don't, then you're in the pile with "anything works"... Obviously too lazy to find such a system.

That doesn't mean I know everything, but I'm 100% certain SOMEONE who puts in some brainpowered effort will find a set of skills that'll rip people up in no time.

*edit*

To all you new guys who want to find/do something new, go ahead and FIND that something, don't let people who think they've run out of options mess with ya! ^_^