Hi,
the "looking for guild" sticky in the guild auditorium is a very good idea, I also liked the "looking to merge" sticky also.
However, with Guildwars being such an international game having different time zones, languages, cultures and sense of humour it means many guild leaders attempt to recruit members who are closer to home!
So could you possibly make a new sticky "looking for a Guild in x ?" Where 'x' is a specific location, maybe 'Europe' or 'Australia' 'East America' 'West America' 'Canada' 'International mixed'... you could even make an enitre new 'Looking for a Guild?' forum containing these stickys.
I really do feel that many people out there need help recruiting the RIGHT people and that new guilds looking for members in their own area would increase their chance of finding the right people meaning more chance of those members staying and ultimatley forming a succesfull tight-knit guild.
Opinions?
"Looking for guild" sticky at auditorium [Suggestion]
Snowman
Racthoh
Agree on this one. Most of the time when I PM someone about it, the first thing I have to ask is "What time do you play on, what server do you play on, etc..". Most people tend to just put what they're looking for without putting in the minor details.
Makkert
Not sure about this..
It is more a problem players have in making awfull 'lf guild' posts. And an awfull post is a reason not to recruit imho.
Some players switch servers when they see the guild is right for them. It's the timezones that matter, not the server.
Some players like international guilds. Where should they apply?
i'm not against this, but i'm not for it either unless some good thought is put in it.
It is more a problem players have in making awfull 'lf guild' posts. And an awfull post is a reason not to recruit imho.
Some players switch servers when they see the guild is right for them. It's the timezones that matter, not the server.
Some players like international guilds. Where should they apply?
i'm not against this, but i'm not for it either unless some good thought is put in it.
Snowman
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Originally Posted by Makkert
It is more a problem players have in making awfull 'lf guild' posts. And an awfull post is a reason not to recruit imho.
Quote: Originally Posted by Makkert Some players switch servers when they see the guild is right for them. It's the timezones that matter, not the server.
Some players like international guilds. Where should they apply? The suggestion isnt about the server you are on, more where you physically live!.. or situated in the world, as you say its the timezones which matter, if guilds were made of people in a similar time-zone then its far easyer to organise things, and much more likley for members to be on at the same time.
If you notice I suggested some locations, one of those locations was 'International mixed'
Indeed players love to be in mixed guilds, but as of yet there is no where for those people to look for these kindws of guilds without having to traul through masses of posts or guild listings.
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It shows the personality of the person looking for guild if he is careless not to include vital information such as his location. Personally I find a 'lf guild' post where little thought is put into a turnoff, and makes it easier to recruit. In other words, a lack of information is also information. Maybe a standardquestion list (by sticky) should uniform the posts in the 'lf guild' thread, so that most vital information is included in every post.|
Originally Posted by Makkert
i'm not against this, but i'm not for it either unless some good thought is put in it.
Yes, good thought would need to be put into it, maybe just for now you could trial it with 'Looking for a Guild in Europe?' sticky, and see how many people post.. if it gets as many posts as your current 'looking for guild' sticky then I'm sure it would warrant further thought.
Racthoh
Prehaps adding a quick link to the Guild Database in the Guild Auditorium would be one step closer to aiding in the process. I know I personally heavily just look at the forums and rarely at the rest of the information on this site unless I need to reference a skill.
Makkert
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If you notice I suggested some locations, one of those locations was 'International mixed'
I know. But volume has to be taken into consideration. The number of posts in the one sticky isn't overwhelming, and the more you split it up the less activity you get. Probably a three timezone approach would be best (IF moving away from current), I have a gutfeeling 'international' isn't big enough to warrant a seperate thread. International guilds could follow each of the three stickies. As for the link to guilddatabase, that sounds a fine idea.
Snowman
thats a good idea.
Originally Posted by Makkert
I run a business in the UK and if I need staff, I post an advert in the local paper. or if I'm looking for a job but have no car, again I would look at a local paper. at the moment Im looking for UK members, but the only news-paper I can look through is one massive one where everyone in the world using Guru is posting an ad,.. at least a 'european' news paper would narrow it down  maybe I shouldnt liken Guru to a news-paper, but news-papers help the community, Guru helps the community, if Guru could help form guilds better then Im sure Leaders would be eternaly gratfull, I know I would. Quote: I know. But volume has to be taken into consideration. The number of posts in the one sticky isn't overwhelming, and the more you split it up the less activity you get. Probably a three timezone approach would be best (IF moving away from current), I have a gutfeeling 'international' isn't big enough to warrant a seperate thread. International guilds could follow each of the three stickies.
As for the link to guilddatabase, that sounds a fine idea. Thanks, all makes sense to me.
Racthoh
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at the moment Im looking for UK members, but the only news-paper I can look through is one massive one where everyone in the world using Guru is posting an ad,.. at least a 'european' news paper would narrow it down
Your ability to manipulate words to make it look as if you're not directly saying that your guild is recruiting is impressive. Given that the site just got somewhat of an overhaul, and as is my understanding from other threads they are still in the works of implementing other features. Seeing as how the other LF Guild sticky isn't considerably big (given how far back in time it stretches), as Makkert said separating them into sections would yield fewer results.
Snowman
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but I'm not avoiding that truth, the idea came to me whilst looking through that thread for new members
Which is why I posted the suggestion here, and not in that forum.. people dont look for new guilds in this forum
But after several hours going through that thread with no joy was frustrating, even if people would fill in the 'location' box on their profile it would help so much more.
tbh, I think every guild is constantly looking for new members, apart from the elite guilds like SoF most of us are constantly on the look out for members as they come and go!
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
as Makkert said separating them into sections would yield fewer results.
Thats exactly what you want though isnt it?.. when your searching for something on google the fewer the results, the more specific the result and the higher chance of you finding what your looking for? Its quality over quantity!
at the end of the day that thread is there for recruiters!.. if recruiters didnt read that thread, then the people posting would never get their ad answerd and its wasted anyway (I do wonder how succesfull those ads actually are) But yea, I understand that its difficult and there have been lots of changes in guru recently. Just one to consider in the future, one day GuildWars will hit 2 million accounts.. Guru itself is the best fansite (imho) so there is no reason why its users and guilds data-base wont double or tripple, so yes, maybe not something that is needed straight away but in the future, definatley.
Racthoh
Ah how true. I think the admins seem to sticky threads that are popular, and a sticky that doesn't get a lot of replies probably is, unfortunately, not in their best interest.
At the very least, it does sound like a good idea to try out, and gauge the results. Prehaps requiring those who enlist the services of the sticky to give feedback regarding how much better or worse it made the recruiting process. Also considering, it would probably make those who post there looking for a guild better hopes that they will received more relevant PMs.
Lysander Freeman
I don't think we need subsections on the Looking For Guild area. I have recruited through it after browsing the posts thoroughly. Most of the people in my Guild are NA, but we had a Danish member who was on at the same time most of the rest of us were on and he used the NA servers. He's drifted back to real life <*shudder*> now but he was a great guy to play with when he was around.
Gamers have all types of schedules - time is the only real dilemma and locality is no indicator of them.
Snowman
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Gamers have all types of schedules - time is the only real dilemma and locality is no indicator of them.
sorry to dis-agree but..of course it is!.. and there are soooooo many reasons why..
we recruited alot of players once and I noticed they were NEVER on for any of the things we were doing... however one day during the hour of the wolf (the time between 3/4 am when you cant sleep) I logged on and boom.. they were all there! I asked.. what you all doing on at this god awful time?... turns out they were canadian.. no wonder. I dont know why but alot of canadians use the european servers, and rather alot of americans do also... lets not forget about the australians! these are radically different time zones which effect natural human sleep patterns.. so I'm not going to recruit anyone from US or Canada or Australia simply because they are never on when we are! so locality is most certainly an indicator... you dont want people playing GvG when its 3am in the morning for them... they simply wont have the motivation of clearness of mind Not only at, some locations in the world are far more 24/hour orientated, spain for example.. they sleep at high-noon and are up all night when its cooler, shops business's..everywhere is open to 6am sometimes.... now the UK is still pretty much 9-5 every where.. thats why we have rush hours 8-9am and 5-6pm... the best time for uk'ers to game is from 6pm to 11pm. As for europe, whilst alot of non-uk people read and type english quite well its very hard to understand them when they speak english, and they find it hard to understand us... Our guild insists on using teamspeak! There are also issues of culture, British sense of humour can be quite ruthless.. we've had a few instances of GOOD non-uk peeps being insulted at things, mis-understandings, certain jokes, they just dont get on with other people that arnt sensative to these differences and end up leaving! and im fairly certain these kind of problems must happen on American servers... otherwise why would alot of canadians insist on using euro servers and not american??.. so having a guild full of people who are in (roughly) the same area means they are 90% more likley to bond with the rest of the guild, find common interests, be playing at the same time, understand each other perfectly.. and more importantly, stay for longer than 20 minutes. so, yes!.. there are lots of guilds out there who have mixed people.. but there are 10times as many guilds having problems recruiting.. and I think this is why!.. Most people in that thread are american and on american servers..., so they have a HUGE recruiting advantage over the diverse nature of Europe.. and so does Korea in many respects... I guess it comes down to a question of wether or not Guildwarsguru wants to be more Euro friendly... I personally would rather NOT sign up to www.gweurope.info (their forums suck really bad).. and would rather everyone use guru, but if there is no easyer way for me to find EU players then I must look elsewhere  Well, I think ive said enough on the subject, im no forum expert at the end of the day.
Billiard
Right now we get maybe one or two new posts in the LFG sticky a day. It seems most of the folks are NA based, but those that are not usually specifically state they are not and looking for something specific (EU or Aussie times for example). I have read all the posts there and usually read all the new ones as soon as they come up. I honestly don't think we'd get enough busisness to warrant more than one sticky. I do think that everyon should post their normal play times in addition to the type of guild they are looking for though.
Lysander Freeman
I deleted my post after taking time to think it out and post it in the first place (then doing something else, looking at it again and realizing it could be construed as argumentative). let's just say that canada has multiple time zones and I do have players that play at 3 am, their time. I think Billiard's right about the traffic - to get good members you should take the time to find them and they should be posting their time zone and/or country if that is important to them.
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