just wanted to make every1 aware of a scammer useing deldrimor war camp european district english-1 to scam people into buying malions shield for 65k or less and making a switch for a gold aegis when u submit the money. i know i was duped :/
the name of this char is [REMOVED BY FROG]
i've made an official complaint including screenshots of the transaction but i didn't want to see ne1 else get duped while plaync look into it. i've just been back online and he's still there trying it on.
EDIT BY FROG: Next time read the forum rules.
scammer
Bartdude
Arya Nibelrund
I think you cannot post other people's name without their authorization; you better edit your post before mods take actions about it.
Although i appreciate scammer reports it's against privacy; ask him the permission to have his name posted on here i'm sure he will agree!
Although i appreciate scammer reports it's against privacy; ask him the permission to have his name posted on here i'm sure he will agree!
Mordakai
God, I hate scammers. I wish GW would place a lock feature on trades. You submit an item, then lock it. They submit a price then lock it.
THEN you can hit agree. That way nobody can switch items or gold, and then change it last minute.
(You could still change gold and items before the "lock." But, you couldn't agree to trade until after the lock).
THEN you can hit agree. That way nobody can switch items or gold, and then change it last minute.
(You could still change gold and items before the "lock." But, you couldn't agree to trade until after the lock).
Damon Windwalker
Erm...isn't that the way it works now?
This is another "bait and switch" - always, always, ALWAYS mouse over the items that are being offered to make sure they are what they are supposed to be....
Sorry - but there's enough checks and balances in place that there's no excuse to get duped in a trade like that.... I'm not saying that it's right for people to do - but on the other hand, if you don't make sure you're getting what you pay for, the fault is your own.
This is another "bait and switch" - always, always, ALWAYS mouse over the items that are being offered to make sure they are what they are supposed to be....
Sorry - but there's enough checks and balances in place that there's no excuse to get duped in a trade like that.... I'm not saying that it's right for people to do - but on the other hand, if you don't make sure you're getting what you pay for, the fault is your own.
Mordakai
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Erm...isn't that the way it works now?
This is another "bait and switch" - always, always, ALWAYS mouse over the items that are being offered to make sure they are what they are supposed to be.... Sorry - but there's enough checks and balances in place that there's no excuse to get duped in a trade like that.... I'm not saying that it's right for people to do - but on the other hand, if you don't make sure you're getting what you pay for, the fault is your own. |
In my case, I sold 2 Black Dye for 16 Plat. But right when I hit accept, he changed it do 16 Gold.
Did I press accept too quickly? Yes. But why not have a "lock" feature in place to stop this easy scam?
Valerius
if they change their trade u have to re-submit... if u re-submit without looking over the items... it's ur fault
FrogDevourer
Whatever the trading system scammers will always find gullible targets.
Casinos for the win!
To the OP: I'm sorry for your loss/scam, but reporting the guy's name in this thread is pointless and against the forum rules.
Casinos for the win!
To the OP: I'm sorry for your loss/scam, but reporting the guy's name in this thread is pointless and against the forum rules.
Mordakai
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if they change their trade u have to re-submit... if u re-submit without looking over the items... it's ur fault
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Like I said, I placed my Dye and hit accept (he already had the 16k out there). Between me placing my dye and hitting accept, he changed the Plat to Gold.
I didn't know he could change the gold that quickly. Now I do, and I wait a few seconds before hitting accept.
But it seems to me that it's a glitch in the system. If you change gold or items (the deal of the trade), there should be another step before you can accept the trade. (For example, I would have to resubmit my end of the trade as well). This is won't take any more time (one more button to click) and will help prevent the bait and switch scam! It's basically a red flag the the trade has been altered....
ozz
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just wanted to make every1 aware of a scammer useing deldrimor war camp european district english-1 to scam people into buying malions shield for 65k or less and making a switch for a gold aegis when u submit the money. i know i was duped :/
the name of this char is [REMOVED BY FROG] i've made an official complaint including screenshots of the transaction but i didn't want to see ne1 else get duped while plaync look into it. i've just been back online and he's still there trying it on. EDIT BY FROG: Next time read the forum rules. |
This trading system is entirely intuitive and easy to understand. Trades can not be modified past submission. If you see a player modifying the trade, do not accept. Wait for the player to submit the agreed upon item(s) and/or gold. If a modification takes place, do not accept. If, after accepting, the player cancels and modifiys, hit cancel and close the trade.
Once again, the trade system AreaNet/NCSoft developed was intended to be intuitive and easy to understand. Follow these procedures:
Paragraph A.
Initiate trade with player
Paragraph B.
Offer item(s) and/or gold
Paragraph C.
Submit them for trading
Paragraph D.
Upon examining the trade, only accept when integrity of trade is verified
Paragraph E.
If player cancels and modifies trade, cancel trade back to submission
Paragraph F.
Inquire as to why player has made change
Paragraph G.
If appearance of attempt to defraud, cancel trade entirely, carry on.
Sub-Paragraph 1.
There is no way items can be scammed if you follow these directions
Sub-Paragraph 2.
NEVER ACCEPT until verification has been made of trade integrity
Sub-Paragraph 3.
If the trade is verified and there is a modification, immediately cancel the trade entirely
Notes:
It takes time for a player to clear out the original trade and insert a bogus one. It can be observed and noticed. Cancel trade immediately.
When I read of so many people getting scammed, I laugh. What were they doing during the trade they would give 65 plat for an Aeigis...it is mind boggling.
Protect yourself during a trade. Perhaps to even make it easier for a player to trade, there can be a trust factor implemented. Similar to the voting scheme suggested http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=69723&page=27
chippxero
I'm sorry that people ge scammed like this but it's pretty simple if your paying attention to the trade.
Someone tried this with me when i was selling brohn's staff switching to 100g i just 'typed lol and cancelled the trade'.
The only time you'll get scammed is if you arn't checking things or reading the money amount properly.
Someone tried this with me when i was selling brohn's staff switching to 100g i just 'typed lol and cancelled the trade'.
The only time you'll get scammed is if you arn't checking things or reading the money amount properly.
ozz
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God, I hate scammers. I wish GW would place a lock feature on trades. You submit an item, then lock it. They submit a price then lock it.
THEN you can hit agree. That way nobody can switch items or gold, and then change it last minute. (You could still change gold and items before the "lock." But, you couldn't agree to trade until after the lock). |
The player is also notified of the modification and can observe the change so long as the defrauder hit modify, then submit, then accept.
I just can not understand how someone can be frauded like this.
Mordakai
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If player cancels and modifies trade, cancel trade back to submission |
The fact is, a player can switch his end of the deal without notice.
I did not have to re-submit my end, I just had to hit accept, and I was screwed.
You basically have to wait a few seconds before you accept, and hope he doesn't get lucky and change the deal on you last second as you "Accept". (which is theoretically possible).
Mordakai
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The trade system already does that. Only way a player can be scammed is if they allow the trade to be changed while the player accepts.
The player is also notified of the modification and can observe the change so long as the defrauder hit modify, then submit, then accept. I just can not understand how someone can be frauded like this. |
I hit accept right after I submitted the items. If there was a "Notice", it didn't do me any good, b/c I had already hit accept!
I mean, this happened in like a split second. I saw the Plat change to Gold right as I clicked accept. I literally did not have time to stop it.
If someone times this right, you cannot prevent this from happening. Sure, it will be very hard to pull this off if someone waits before hitting accept. But if I was a scammer, and just changed this stuff all the time, I'm sure eventually I would get lucky, and manage to change the deal while someone was accepting it.
In any case, why are people against a "Resubmit" phase? I just makes common sense, esp. since the trade has been altered.
Yichi
Better idea for the future. make him hit accept first. then as soon as you hit accept, the trade goes through
ozz
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But it seems to me that it's a glitch in the system. If you change gold or items (the deal of the trade), there should be another step before you can accept the trade. (For example, I would have to resubmit my end of the trade as well). This is won't take any more time (one more button to click) and will help prevent the bait and switch scam! It's basically a red flag the the trade has been altered....
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Attempts have been made to scam me but there is no way u can change the trade while I am watching it. I am notified of any changes right there in the trade. If I am trading for an Inspired Staff and the player is offering me gold, I will wait till the gold is there. Because I have to submit the trade first, the trader verifies the item. Once I hit accept, if there is an attempt to change the trade, I hit cancel becuase I see this dummy is about to scam me. Trust me noone is that fast they can change the gold from 10 plat to 10 gold and then hit accept immediately unless you simply hit accept and are not paying attention. AGAIN, IT TAKES TIME FOR THEM TO MODIFY THE TRADE!!! You will observe this and can simply hit cancel taking you back to submission page. If you have to even hover your mouse over cancel, do it once you accept the trade. Any change notified, click and the scammer is thwarted.
The trader has no clue you accepted the trade and is hoping u do blind accepts. That is the beauty of the system. You control the trade. If you submit and then wait to see what happens, you will be safer. I traded a nub before and hit sumbit only. He submitted then modified immediately. I waited and he put the right amount of gold there. It was only after he whispered me and I confirmed the trade did I accept.
You have to protect yourself. Do not blind accept anyone. Wait for them to whisper you as to why you have not accepted. Only then will you be assured they want to trade. It also adds more delay to thwe process. If it is cancelled, find another trader.
ozz
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Well, I can tell you.
I hit accept right after I submitted the items. If there was a "Notice", it didn't do me any good, b/c I had already hit accept! I mean, this happened in like a split second. I saw the Plat change to Gold right as I clicked accept. I literally did not have time to stop it. If someone times this right, you cannot prevent this from happening. Sure, it will be very hard to pull this off if someone waits before hitting accept. But if I was a scammer, and just changed this stuff all the time, I'm sure eventually I would get lucky, and manage to change the deal while someone was accepting it. In any case, why are people against a "Resubmit" phase? I just makes common sense, esp. since the trade has been altered. |
I will make you wait intentionally to determine if you are a scammer. I don't care if it is taking too long cause see I can get anyone to pay my price for the item I have or sell to anyone. I don't need the trader, they need me. Therefore, if I am satisfied, then I accept.
Also, play games with the trader. Tell em you hit accept and are going to bathroom, feel free to accept trade, I will brb. Then sit there and watch the amount of gold change, the item change, and laugh while u cancel trade and report them to Anet.
It is up to you to protect yourself. Anet/NCSoft put the trade in the game and all you have to do is think before you hit accept. Never trust anyone.
Sir Skullcrasher
I nearly got scammed before. When i used to have Malinon's Shield. I try to find a buyer in game. I was in war camp and advertising "WTS Malinon' Shield" and someone pm me with 90k offer. So i say sure and took the trade. All the time, the guy keep pming me with the sentence "COME.. hurray up i got to go" So i open a trade with him, put up my shield, the gold put up 90 gold... good think i look so i laugh it off at him. His reply was "Sorry... in a hurray" Than second time, he did the same thing with 90 gold. Than i cancel the trade.
Don't hurray through a trade, look before trading anything expensive to save you from scammers.
Speaking of looking before trading. I got a Razorstone last night for 80k. Before the deal is done, the guy put up the axe and told me to put up my money first. Than i did so with 80k, he told me to accept trade first than he will do the same. So i did and got Razorstone. I guess these are the type of security measure that is needed to combat these scammers.
Don't hurray through a trade, look before trading anything expensive to save you from scammers.
Speaking of looking before trading. I got a Razorstone last night for 80k. Before the deal is done, the guy put up the axe and told me to put up my money first. Than i did so with 80k, he told me to accept trade first than he will do the same. So i did and got Razorstone. I guess these are the type of security measure that is needed to combat these scammers.
ozz
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Well, duh, IF YOU NOTICE the modified trade!
The fact is, a player can switch his end of the deal without notice. I did not have to re-submit my end, I just had to hit accept, and I was screwed. You basically have to wait a few seconds before you accept, and hope he doesn't get lucky and change the deal on you last second as you "Accept". (which is theoretically possible). |
kenpo goddess
I have never been scammed...i am always cautious about scammers. An they are pretty obvious too. You can find signs of scammers, an cheap skates alike. They will always try to down grade what you are selling too. I had someone try an call em scammer once. an i was truly upset. I have bad lag issues when trade window opens. so when I was viewing an item i wanted to close my inventory winow..apparently i hit accept. So this person right away began telling everyone i was a scammer a for no one to buy from me. it really set me back while trying to sell dyes.
ozz
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I nearly got scammed before. When i used to have Malinon's Shield. I try to find a buyer in game. I was in war camp and advertising "WTS Malinon' Shield" and someone pm me with 90k offer. So i say sure and took the trade. All the time, the guy keep pming me with the sentence "COME.. hurray up i got to go" So i open a trade with him, put up my shield, the gold put up 90 gold... good think i look so i laugh it off at him. His reply was "Sorry... in a hurray" Than second time, he did the same thing with 90 gold. Than i cancel the trade.
Don't hurray through a trade, look before trading anything expensive to save you from scammers. Speaking of looking before trading. I got a Razorstone last night for 80k. Before the deal is done, the guy put up the axe and told me to put up my money first. Than i did so with 80k, he told me to accept trade first than he will do the same. So i did and got Razorstone. I guess these are the type of security measure that is needed to combat these scammers. |
Carinae
I never trade without a mouseover verification of the item(s) and double-checking the amount. Check the price, then look back at the chat screen and reverify and then compare to the trade window.
Nevertheless, I after reading this thread, I think Anet should make one change to the trading screens:
If either party modifies a trade AFTER the other party has accepted, the 'Accept' is canceled, and they must re-accept.
Nevertheless, I after reading this thread, I think Anet should make one change to the trading screens:
If either party modifies a trade AFTER the other party has accepted, the 'Accept' is canceled, and they must re-accept.
Mordakai
I understand I hurried to fast and accepted.
But listening to these stories just confirms my feelings that a another step needs to be added to insure no one gets scammed. After all, not everyone reads these forums, and knows all the tricks. What about those people, is it their fault they trust the game?
To those arguing that "safety" measures are already in place, obviously they do not go far enough, or there would not be so many scams.
Is it possible to eliminate all scams? No. But re-setting the Accept (as Carinae Dragonblood suggests) if someone changes the deal is just common sense. There is no reason not to.
Otherwise, it sounds like you're just playing chicken with trades. "You accept first", "No, you accept first." What kind of system is that? You have to keep your mouse over the Cancel button if you accept first? Ridiculous.
No, all this thread does is confirm my original statement: Trading needs to be improved. The extra "Accept" will not hurt anyone (except scammers), and will help prevent these kind of switch and bait scams.
Thanks for the very simple suggestion, Carinae. That's all that's really needed.
But listening to these stories just confirms my feelings that a another step needs to be added to insure no one gets scammed. After all, not everyone reads these forums, and knows all the tricks. What about those people, is it their fault they trust the game?
To those arguing that "safety" measures are already in place, obviously they do not go far enough, or there would not be so many scams.
Is it possible to eliminate all scams? No. But re-setting the Accept (as Carinae Dragonblood suggests) if someone changes the deal is just common sense. There is no reason not to.
Otherwise, it sounds like you're just playing chicken with trades. "You accept first", "No, you accept first." What kind of system is that? You have to keep your mouse over the Cancel button if you accept first? Ridiculous.
No, all this thread does is confirm my original statement: Trading needs to be improved. The extra "Accept" will not hurt anyone (except scammers), and will help prevent these kind of switch and bait scams.
Thanks for the very simple suggestion, Carinae. That's all that's really needed.
Damon Windwalker
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IMO, there is obviously NOT enough checks and balances, because people keep getting scammed!
In my case, I sold 2 Black Dye for 16 Plat. But right when I hit accept, he changed it do 16 Gold. Did I press accept too quickly? Yes. But why not have a "lock" feature in place to stop this easy scam? |
I donno - I'm not seeing it - I've played ALOT since release, and done quite a bit of trading - I've caught people trying it, but never been scammed...
Bartdude
ah my bad for posting the name my appologies :/
well i did look at the trade, he had malions shield but he also put forward another green item. it's when he took the other item away he made the switch :/
well i did look at the trade, he had malions shield but he also put forward another green item. it's when he took the other item away he made the switch :/
Savio
Most annoying thing I had recently:
I'm spamming "WTS Rune of Superior Vigor for 53k" just to see if I can get a few extra plat and because I'm bored.
1st person offers 70k, cancels, offers 70k, cancels. Hmmm... I wonder what the third time will be? 70g? I cancel all other trade offers. He attempts to plead with me in All chat, which has me respond with his name in All chat.
2nd person offers 53g right off the bat. Yawn.
3rd person? Well, my PSU melted at that point so I don't know.
If I might take a suggestion from another game, Runescape requires both players to accept before being taken to another screen with all items locked in place with text names only. That or Carinae's suggestion.
I'm spamming "WTS Rune of Superior Vigor for 53k" just to see if I can get a few extra plat and because I'm bored.
1st person offers 70k, cancels, offers 70k, cancels. Hmmm... I wonder what the third time will be? 70g? I cancel all other trade offers. He attempts to plead with me in All chat, which has me respond with his name in All chat.
2nd person offers 53g right off the bat. Yawn.
3rd person? Well, my PSU melted at that point so I don't know.
If I might take a suggestion from another game, Runescape requires both players to accept before being taken to another screen with all items locked in place with text names only. That or Carinae's suggestion.
ozz
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ah my bad for posting the name my appologies :/
well i did look at the trade, he had malions shield but he also put forward another green item. it's when he took the other item away he made the switch :/ |
This is so evident that people were scammed when folks put dye removal kits in place of dyes in the trade. Folks didn't care cause hey, it is a green dye I want and I glanced; yep it is a green dye so I give up my money. Or, yep it is a combo rare dye and I give up more money.
Fact is Anet/NCSoft can make the trading system as complex as the game itself and nubs will still be scammed cause they lack attention to detail. It doesn't take much to mouse over the item, check the gold quanity, make sure you don't accept until the trade is valid, etc.
@Mordekai: Would you like Anet/NCSoft to hold your hand too while you trade to make sure the trading system accomodates your lazyness?
Mordakai
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@Mordekai: Would you like Anet/NCSoft to hold your hand too while you trade to make sure the trading system accomodates your lazyness?
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Mea culpa, and all that BS. Fact is, the trading system sucks right now. Even Savio admits it. It's too easy to scam people, and basically you can't accept first. THAT system sounds perfect.
The solutions won't end scamming, obviously. But anything put in place to help curb the rampant scamming going around HAS to be a good idea.
If you want to trade insults, I'll do you one better:
Anyone who doesn't want to improve the trading system is probably a scammer who likes things the way they are.
A legitimate trader won't have any problem with the improvements suggested here!
As I've said before, I'll be more careful in the future. But what about all those poor souls who don't read the forums? Are they SOL? Is it their fault the trading system has major loopholes?
Sarus
Why do you have to read the forums to know not to accept a trade before looking at the item?? That seems like a real life common sense kind of issue.
You can't hit the accept button until the person you're trading with submits something. At that point you look at the item to make sure it is what he says it is and hit accept. If he tries to modify the item it clearly says the trade is being modified and cancels your accept. Once he switches the item you have to click on accept again. I'm hesitant to say it's your fault for being scammed but I think you need to take a little responsibility for not taking the simple steps required to protect yourself (namely not blindly clicking on accept).
It would be like if in real life you were going to buy something from a stranger. He shows you the item in a box and you confirm it's the correct item. He puts the top on the box and then puts it behind his back, fuddles around for a little bit then whips out an identical looking box with his other hand. Wouldn't you ask him to take the top off before handing over your hard earned money? Keep in mind it's a total stranger you've never met before and there are NO repercussions for him ripping you off (you're in a lawless society).
Here's a listing of popular scams to help you out:
http://www.guildwiki.org/wiki/Scams
You can't hit the accept button until the person you're trading with submits something. At that point you look at the item to make sure it is what he says it is and hit accept. If he tries to modify the item it clearly says the trade is being modified and cancels your accept. Once he switches the item you have to click on accept again. I'm hesitant to say it's your fault for being scammed but I think you need to take a little responsibility for not taking the simple steps required to protect yourself (namely not blindly clicking on accept).
It would be like if in real life you were going to buy something from a stranger. He shows you the item in a box and you confirm it's the correct item. He puts the top on the box and then puts it behind his back, fuddles around for a little bit then whips out an identical looking box with his other hand. Wouldn't you ask him to take the top off before handing over your hard earned money? Keep in mind it's a total stranger you've never met before and there are NO repercussions for him ripping you off (you're in a lawless society).
Here's a listing of popular scams to help you out:
http://www.guildwiki.org/wiki/Scams
Carinae
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If he tries to modify the item it clearly says the trade is being modified and cancels your accept. Once he switches the item you have to click on accept again.
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So, what's happening is this:
They submit an item.
You submit money.
You Accept.
They modify the trade (as fast as they can)
They Submit and Accept (as fast as they can)
Your Accept doesn't get canceled when they modify the trade, and unless you are hovering over the 'Cancel' button, you can't stop it.
Furthermore....Either party can do this, so who ever Accepts first is vulnerable.
NOTE: I am paraphrasing the OP. I have NOT confirmed this behavior myself. Maybe I can try to scam Savio tonight.
ozz
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Yes, please blame the scamee.
Mea culpa, and all that BS. Fact is, the trading system sucks right now. Even Savio admits it. It's too easy to scam people, and basically you can't accept first. THAT system sounds perfect. The solutions won't end scamming, obviously. But anything put in place to help curb the rampant scamming going around HAS to be a good idea. If you want to trade insults, I'll do you one better: Anyone who doesn't want to improve the trading system is probably a scammer who likes things the way they are. A legitimate trader won't have any problem with the improvements suggested here! As I've said before, I'll be more careful in the future. But what about all those poor souls who don't read the forums? Are they SOL? Is it their fault the trading system has major loopholes? |
Already there are those who have demonstrated sufficient intelligence to avoid being scammed. What is the problem here? Is the problem with Anet/NCSoft? I don't think so or it would be very easy to be scammed during trade and noone would be happy.
ozz
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Sarus, please re-read the thread. They are clearly saying the 'Accept' is NOT being canceled if someone modifies the trade.
So, what's happening is this: They submit an item. You submit money. You Accept. They modify the trade (as fast as they can) They Submit and Accept (as fast as they can) Your Accept doesn't get canceled when they modify the trade, and unless you are hovering over the 'Cancel' button, you can't stop it. Furthermore....Either party can do this, so who ever Accepts first is vulnerable. NOTE: I am paraphrasing the OP. I have NOT confirmed this behavior myself. Maybe I can try to scam Savio tonight. |
Once you press accept, you signify you are done with trading and ready for the transaction to complete. How can you be ready to complete transaction if the other party is still fiddling?
Sure lemme click accept while I notice the gold change from 70 plat to 70 gold, and the item change from a shield to a wand???? That is ridiculous and it is evident there is simply blind acceptance goin on and the trader is too careless even though they know they arein an environment of scams...makes no sense to me. Can I have your credit card number? I promise, I will let you borrow my car...wait just lemme find the keys..wait I almost have them....here, the keys a Toyota Camery. Wait, those are keys to a Honda. No they aren't, don't you see they are car keys, just accept the trade man!!
Mordakai
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Mordakai, come on, the logic of your post doesn't stack up. I am not here to trade insults with you but try to determine why you feel so strongly about changing what isn't broke. How is it Anet/NCSoft supposed to accomodate your lack of attention to detail and that of others?
Already there are those who have demonstrated sufficient intelligence to avoid being scammed. What is the problem here? Is the problem with Anet/NCSoft? I don't think so or it would be very easy to be scammed during trade and noone would be happy. |
My logic is, putting in some simple fail-safes. (Just for example, a screen you go to after both sides have submitted to approve. At this point, the items cannot be changed, the trade must be approved or canceled).
These fail-safes WILL NOT hurt legitimate traders. I can therefore only logically conclude, that people not interested in enacting some simple changes, must have something to gain from the present system.
And, yeah, I do have an axe to grind. I lost 16,000 gold (a large amount to me), because I simply hit accept too quickly. Whether I'm stupid or not, it's simply not fair.
As for being "sufficiently intelligent": Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I won't be fooled again, but what about the next guy?
Barry Bethell
At the end of the day bartdude will freely admit that he should have paid more attention to detail (he's in my guild btw) but the idea of the thread has been lost here, he wasn't complaining about the trading system he was just trying to let other honest gw players know about some scum bag ripping people off.
And btw the deal can be modified by either party after the other party has accepted and im sure some real fast scammers could catch a lot of us out, the morale of the story is to be careful and watch the trade window like a hawk to avoid such issues.
Peace
BB.
And btw the deal can be modified by either party after the other party has accepted and im sure some real fast scammers could catch a lot of us out, the morale of the story is to be careful and watch the trade window like a hawk to avoid such issues.
Peace
BB.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by ozz
Sure lemme click accept while I notice the gold change from 70 plat to 70 gold, and the item change from a shield to a wand???? That is ridiculous and it is evident there is simply blind acceptance goin on and the trader is too careless even though they know they arein an environment of scams...makes no sense to me. Can I have your credit card number? I promise, I will let you borrow my car...wait just lemme find the keys..wait I almost have them....here, the keys a Toyota Camery. Wait, those are keys to a Honda. No they aren't, don't you see they are car keys, just accept the trade man!!
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It's a widespread problem, and I'm rather discouraged that the response seems to be that it's the people being scammed fault, not the scammers.
Why would ANYONE oppose some simple safeguards to insure the bait and switch scam (at least) will practically be impossible to pull off?
It's like putting in safeguards for deleting your character. It just makes sense.
I'll repeat again: No reason NOT to have some safeguards, and some real reasons (posted by many people) TOO have them.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Barry Bethell
At the end of the day bartdude will freely admit that he should have paid more attention to detail (he's in my guild btw) but the idea of the thread has been lost here, he wasn't complaining about the trading system he was just trying to let other honest gw players know about some scum bag ripping people off.
And btw the deal can be modified by either party after the other party has accepted and im sure some real fast scammers could catch a lot of us out, the morale of the story is to be careful and watch the trade window like a hawk to avoid such issues. Peace BB. |
Barry Bethell
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
Thanks for your input, Barry. Would you be for or against some more fail-safes in the trading system?
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BB.
Pevil Lihatuh
Ultima Online has a nice lil system that makes it hard for things like this. The only way to be scammed in that is to be dumb and not mouse over (as some things, eg pets, have the same graphics in trade: all pets appear as a horse, be it a dragon or a dog).
Basically, you get the window open like GW. Then it has a lil 'accept' thing you tick... that you can both see. So if you accept first, they can see you accepted etc. THEN the real beauty, is that if one of you drops something extra onto the window, any ticked Accepts become unticked. One slightly annoying, but good feature: You CANNOT take anything out of the trade window. To pull this kinda scam, you have to completely exit the trade window and put the "cheap" item in as a new trade.
Basically, you get the window open like GW. Then it has a lil 'accept' thing you tick... that you can both see. So if you accept first, they can see you accepted etc. THEN the real beauty, is that if one of you drops something extra onto the window, any ticked Accepts become unticked. One slightly annoying, but good feature: You CANNOT take anything out of the trade window. To pull this kinda scam, you have to completely exit the trade window and put the "cheap" item in as a new trade.
unienaule
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Originally Posted by Pevil Lihatuh
You CANNOT take anything out of the trade window. To pull this kinda scam, you have to completely exit the trade window and put the "cheap" item in as a new trade.
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Savio
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Originally Posted by unienaule
You definitely CAN take stuff out. Just double click it while it's not being offered.
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Bubba Lips
Runescape had the best trader method like Savio said.
After each person accepted...
items were locked in place to make sure it's what u wanted
"are you sure you want to trade"
yes/no
this was still scammable but alot harder than GW's.
Most scams were fake rares ppl made seem worth something.
And the graphics blew on runescape so some items looked simalar which was only a problem in huge trades (32 slots max) isn't a problem in this really.
IMO scammers are poor lamers, every game's got em' you can limit it in someways but they'll still be there.
Just trade slow and always /doubletake before accepting.
After each person accepted...
items were locked in place to make sure it's what u wanted
"are you sure you want to trade"
yes/no
this was still scammable but alot harder than GW's.
Most scams were fake rares ppl made seem worth something.
And the graphics blew on runescape so some items looked simalar which was only a problem in huge trades (32 slots max) isn't a problem in this really.
IMO scammers are poor lamers, every game's got em' you can limit it in someways but they'll still be there.
Just trade slow and always /doubletake before accepting.