Is it too much to ask that I find a group for FoW that can make it PAST the first quest?
Three seperate groups last night. Three seperate tries. Two of them were 'experienced' (or so they claimed) yet they die at the base of the tower where you first encounter Abyssals and Rangers. Both groups at this exact spot. I play a healing monk, so I suppose it could partially be on my shoulders, but they certainly weren't acting as 'experienced' as they said they were. An elementalist saying he'll 'pull' and then going to cast Meteor Shower on the closest Abyssal is NOT pulling, in my experience. Ugh.
I join a third group. I ask if these people are TRULY experienced, and the consensus is no, no they are not. In fact, for several of them, it was their first time ever going. "Ok," I think to myself. "Maybe I can get them to listen to me and follow my directions then."
Hahaha. Folly.
We go in. "Be careful, everyone. Please don't move or aggro anything or take the quest until I give a basic idea of what we're doing and a good way to go about it."
"who r u to give orders and tell us what to do"
"ur just a monk u cant lead"
"we'll play how we want"
"ooooh this place is dark and scary"
"CHARGE"
Immediately to the right, two people go, and then the more impressionable people follow--aggroing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING OVER THERE.
"heal plz"
"res plz"
"wtf y wont u res me dumbass monk"
I gave up after that and logged out for the night.
Are good players impossible to find? I just want to get past the first quest for a change.
Ugh...People...
Ruin
Yichi
no, just in the harder places of the game you find the most idiots, trust me my main is a monk, so i know your pain on fissure pugs....
Mordakai
I play a Me/E and have yet to venture into FoW or UW.
Any advice on finding a group and not losing my gold?
Any advice on finding a group and not losing my gold?
Bloom
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Originally Posted by MistressYichi
no, just in the harder places of the game you find the most idiots, trust me my main is a monk, so i know your pain on fissure pugs....
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Racthoh
I could never understand the complaining of monks...
...until I made one. I encountered every warrior that had been so thoroughly loathed. At the very least, having to heal constantly you learn how to manage your energy, and when to heal.
Seems you'll rarely find those groups that have those experienced players in them, as the 'experienced' tag gets tossed around as a way to get into groups. If you join the group, and they ask for your skillbar, they'll probably know what they're doing. I think it also comes down to are you willing to spend an hour finding that good group or would you rather just play. I'd advise to make small chat after getting into a group to gauge their behaviours and whether or not you'll be able to get along let alone actually succeed.
Mordakai, if you can find a group that will take a mesmer in... they're probably a good group.
...until I made one. I encountered every warrior that had been so thoroughly loathed. At the very least, having to heal constantly you learn how to manage your energy, and when to heal.
Seems you'll rarely find those groups that have those experienced players in them, as the 'experienced' tag gets tossed around as a way to get into groups. If you join the group, and they ask for your skillbar, they'll probably know what they're doing. I think it also comes down to are you willing to spend an hour finding that good group or would you rather just play. I'd advise to make small chat after getting into a group to gauge their behaviours and whether or not you'll be able to get along let alone actually succeed.
Mordakai, if you can find a group that will take a mesmer in... they're probably a good group.
Yichi
I love having either interrupt mesmers or degen mesmers in FoW. amazing how people undervalue them until they literally stop everything from killing u and allowing your monks to heal everyone else more effectively. a good wells necro and an interrupt ranger are bonuses too.
Our normal fow run build is
2 w/? (one as book holder/stance tank, one as dmg dealer)
1 Wells necro (those rock in fow)
1 shutdown mes
1 interrupt ranger
1 good dmg ele (either air or fire)
1 prot monk
1 healer (usually me )
with that combo, we can clear FoW easily and usually never have any problems as we usually do one fow run a night for easy cash/exp. i can count the number of times on one hand that we didnt clear FoW....
Our normal fow run build is
2 w/? (one as book holder/stance tank, one as dmg dealer)
1 Wells necro (those rock in fow)
1 shutdown mes
1 interrupt ranger
1 good dmg ele (either air or fire)
1 prot monk
1 healer (usually me )
with that combo, we can clear FoW easily and usually never have any problems as we usually do one fow run a night for easy cash/exp. i can count the number of times on one hand that we didnt clear FoW....
Mordakai
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Mordakai, if you can find a group that will take a mesmer in... they're probably a good group.
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I'll try this weekend, and let you know how it goes...
Markaedw
you can find idiots everywhere.
I was helping a friend in the jungle missions, we were doing the cetaur bonus. I told everyone to stop, drew lines on the map, I did everything but reach throught the screen to choke them. They killed the centaurs, so I said "bonus is over lets go".
Then some one messaged "So what was the bonus?"
"The bonus was to listen to the centaurs and not kill them"
Next bonus, awaking the druids. I told them 5 times in various way not to kill the forrest guardains. We triggered the bonus we are getting the last seed and pop-up "Bonus has failed: You have killed the forrest guards".
This one happened to my brother. He is doing the Nolani Academy. He found a fairly safe path, they gave the book to their warrior (who btw did not have sprint), threw echantment and protections on him. The warrior took the book ran past the ghost down the flight of stairs, to the pedastal, past the pedastal, up the stairs into an awating mob of ghost and got them all killed.
I have decided that the game is being taken over by morons or people are sabatoging the game.
I was helping a friend in the jungle missions, we were doing the cetaur bonus. I told everyone to stop, drew lines on the map, I did everything but reach throught the screen to choke them. They killed the centaurs, so I said "bonus is over lets go".
Then some one messaged "So what was the bonus?"
"The bonus was to listen to the centaurs and not kill them"
Next bonus, awaking the druids. I told them 5 times in various way not to kill the forrest guardains. We triggered the bonus we are getting the last seed and pop-up "Bonus has failed: You have killed the forrest guards".
This one happened to my brother. He is doing the Nolani Academy. He found a fairly safe path, they gave the book to their warrior (who btw did not have sprint), threw echantment and protections on him. The warrior took the book ran past the ghost down the flight of stairs, to the pedastal, past the pedastal, up the stairs into an awating mob of ghost and got them all killed.
I have decided that the game is being taken over by morons or people are sabatoging the game.
Funda
sigh....unfortunately below is true for most people's UW/FoW experiences:
I've been in FEW *good* groups.
I've been in SOME *mediocre* groups.
I've been in MANY *baaaad* groups.
My advice? Try profiling them beforehand. I dont mind the *inexperienced* player much (as long as theyre willing to listen...) Signs to watch out for:
Impatient ppl.
Wammos yelling "go go go"
Monks who wont respond to a query as to if they are currently using an invincimonk build.
No team communication
No designated caller.
Anyway, sorry to hear of your folly. I myself have had bad experiences down there, but finally found an awesome group and group build. Don't worry, your time will come
I've been in FEW *good* groups.
I've been in SOME *mediocre* groups.
I've been in MANY *baaaad* groups.
My advice? Try profiling them beforehand. I dont mind the *inexperienced* player much (as long as theyre willing to listen...) Signs to watch out for:
Impatient ppl.
Wammos yelling "go go go"
Monks who wont respond to a query as to if they are currently using an invincimonk build.
No team communication
No designated caller.
Anyway, sorry to hear of your folly. I myself have had bad experiences down there, but finally found an awesome group and group build. Don't worry, your time will come
Mordakai
That's all happened to me as well... 
I love it when people ignore the lines you draw!
(in response to Markaedw)
I love it when people ignore the lines you draw!
(in response to Markaedw)
Yichi
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Impatient ppl.
Wammos yelling "go go go" Monks who wont respond to a query as to if they are currently using an invincimonk build. |
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No team communication
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Damon Windwalker
I have to actually say that I think the quality of the PUGs I have been getting is going up...
With my last character:
I made it through Thunderhead with a PUG 1st try.
I made it through Perdition 1st try no problems
I made itthrough Hell's Precipice in 2 tries (1st try I attribute only to a bad pull ). Second time we made it through despite the fact that we had one person ERR7 out, leaving us not only 1 short, but it was one of our monks.
With my last character:
I made it through Thunderhead with a PUG 1st try.
I made it through Perdition 1st try no problems
I made itthrough Hell's Precipice in 2 tries (1st try I attribute only to a bad pull ). Second time we made it through despite the fact that we had one person ERR7 out, leaving us not only 1 short, but it was one of our monks.
Loch
I'd say the best bet is to do FoW and UW with your guild or a group of known friends. PuG'ing is just suicide.
Ruin
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I'd say the best bet is to do FoW and UW with your guild or a group of known friends. PuG'ing is just suicide.
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Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Ruin
I would, if my guild would actually log on once in a while.
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Racthoh
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I would, if my guild would actually log on once in a while.
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Yichi
Most of my guild left guildwars to go play Eve online. luckly they still use the same vent server so all i gotta do is say hey, fow run and they usualyl come. sucks not really being able to tomb and 90% ofthe time im the only one online......
Ruin
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I certainly hope that you didn't join one of those guilds that are advertised in Ascalon. Word is that they lack organization and rarely help their members.
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Y.T.
o yes, its funny
if u're monk and want to find a more ao less decent group for FOW or UW u have to start asking questions - what skills 2nd monk's bringing this time, mb she/he wants u to bring sertain skill - then ask who's calling, who's designated book runner, if group wants to go to forge or whatever (u prolly want to tweak ur build in case of The Hunt and wailing lord quests).
if they start to yell at u - leave, its perfectly ok, u'll find better group.
as for UW group - u HAVE TO discuss ur skills with 2 other monks so u'll know whos bonder, who's healer, who's newb and if u got stupid ignorant nebs in ur team - its just a game, relax and have fun watching their attempts to do smth
i really enjoyed 1 UW pug this week - we have monk who wanted spider. o well it happens, we got 1 nice bonder 1 healer (myself) couple tanks (1st time in UW), mesmer - 1st time in UW again and of cos bring wrong skills but did ok, and the rest were eles i believe. we're going in mo/ra starts attacking with barrage, his hp is like 300-smth, and he prefers to aggro and stay near tanks he's whining all the time 'wheres my perfect spider' despite the fact that all group told him to shut up and try do quests, also he's offending ppl in team cos they're stupid but funniest thing i saw this run was his healing attempts - u cant believe but he had comfort animal for it..... we made it to 1st monument of cos and 1 of newbs got all 3 quests but i had fun
if u're monk and want to find a more ao less decent group for FOW or UW u have to start asking questions - what skills 2nd monk's bringing this time, mb she/he wants u to bring sertain skill - then ask who's calling, who's designated book runner, if group wants to go to forge or whatever (u prolly want to tweak ur build in case of The Hunt and wailing lord quests).
if they start to yell at u - leave, its perfectly ok, u'll find better group.
as for UW group - u HAVE TO discuss ur skills with 2 other monks so u'll know whos bonder, who's healer, who's newb
and if u got stupid ignorant nebs in ur team - its just a game, relax and have fun watching their attempts to do smth i really enjoyed 1 UW pug this week - we have monk who wanted spider. o well it happens, we got 1 nice bonder 1 healer (myself) couple tanks (1st time in UW), mesmer - 1st time in UW again and of cos bring wrong skills but did ok, and the rest were eles i believe. we're going in mo/ra starts attacking with barrage, his hp is like 300-smth, and he prefers to aggro and stay near tanks
he's whining all the time 'wheres my perfect spider' despite the fact that all group told him to shut up and try do quests, also he's offending ppl in team cos they're stupid but funniest thing i saw this run was his healing attempts - u cant believe but he had comfort animal for it..... we made it to 1st monument of cos and 1 of newbs got all 3 quests but i had fun
Josh
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
I certainly hope that you didn't join one of those guilds that are advertised in Ascalon. Word is that they lack organization and rarely help their members.
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*someone joins guild and they have around 10 people as members, (Last logged in: 23 days ago), and to find out they have no cape, let alone a hall*...
chippxero
I haven't had a bad group yet for FoW but plenty of crappy ones for UW i play as a protection monk mos of the time called 'A Wang'.
i joined a group and the healing monk started with 'Don't take A Wang he's a korean farming monk, he's a 55build' while i'm typing my respose the guy left the group.
1. I'm not korean.
2. I'm called A Wang cause i'm immature (same reason for my guild being SARS).
3. I'm from essex in england.
4. I shift hit my healh bar which was 416hp at the time to show everyone.
My group went on to finish several quests in FoW before dieing to the 'foresty' bit and i got 4 shards (yay me).
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I find that a lot of groups will listern to the monk but can i ask what districts your on Ruin? as i see on here alot of talk about rangers not getting groups but it only seems to be the american servers this happens on.
My ranger that i started recently hasn't had a problem getting a group and even at Iron mines i got in a random group in 5 minutes at level 15.
I'm not saying that it's just american players but i think somethings like monks getting 'res me' & 'heal me' seems to happen a lot more due o number of players, as i have only had one person type 'heal me' (In 150 hours of play with my monk) and he did it once before the rest of the group jumped down his neck.
i joined a group and the healing monk started with 'Don't take A Wang he's a korean farming monk, he's a 55build' while i'm typing my respose the guy left the group.
1. I'm not korean.
2. I'm called A Wang cause i'm immature (same reason for my guild being SARS).
3. I'm from essex in england.
4. I shift hit my healh bar which was 416hp at the time to show everyone.
My group went on to finish several quests in FoW before dieing to the 'foresty' bit and i got 4 shards (yay me).
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I find that a lot of groups will listern to the monk but can i ask what districts your on Ruin? as i see on here alot of talk about rangers not getting groups but it only seems to be the american servers this happens on.
My ranger that i started recently hasn't had a problem getting a group and even at Iron mines i got in a random group in 5 minutes at level 15.
I'm not saying that it's just american players but i think somethings like monks getting 'res me' & 'heal me' seems to happen a lot more due o number of players, as i have only had one person type 'heal me' (In 150 hours of play with my monk) and he did it once before the rest of the group jumped down his neck.
Sir Skullcrasher
every group that i go with into FoW made it pass the first quest. In fact, one group got as far as to the cave with those crazy spiders. Hope you can finally get a good group there, in fact, i'll team up with you if you want!
pyrohex
Wang is actually more Chinese than Korean. And I use "more" to be safe - I haven't seen one Korean by the last name of "Wang" so far, and I live in a pretty Asian area of NJ.
Cjlr
I'd love to find a good group for FoW or UW... I haven't even tried yet, because of all the horror stories.
... Wait a sec, that's not quite true... There was this one time, when I had my level 17 unascended Ele get an invite from a someone who was relying on another group member to translate for them as they didn't speak english... That kinda dissuaded me from persueing that avenue for the time being...
... Wait a sec, that's not quite true... There was this one time, when I had my level 17 unascended Ele get an invite from a someone who was relying on another group member to translate for them as they didn't speak english... That kinda dissuaded me from persueing that avenue for the time being...
Sk8tborderx
Finding a good group can be difficult... try to start some groups instead of joining and make sure the people will listen. I personally have made over 500 FoW runs and can't remember the last time I have not cleared at least 3/4 of all the enemies. All it really takes is 1 leader (usually the most experienced FoW player) and other people that listen. My builds usually look like this as I have found this build to be most effective.
1 warrior/ dmg not stace (me)
2 healers and 1 bonder (1 monk will always leave)
1 shutdown mesmer
1 interuption ranger
1 curses necro (brings blood ritual)
1 air or fire ele
1 warrior/ dmg not stace (me)
2 healers and 1 bonder (1 monk will always leave)
1 shutdown mesmer
1 interuption ranger
1 curses necro (brings blood ritual)
1 air or fire ele
The Yoink
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Originally Posted by Funda
sigh....unfortunately below is true for most people's UW/FoW experiences:
I've been in FEW *good* groups. I've been in SOME *mediocre* groups. I've been in MANY *baaaad* groups. My advice? Try profiling them beforehand. I dont mind the *inexperienced* player much (as long as theyre willing to listen...) Signs to watch out for: Impatient ppl. Wammos yelling "go go go" Monks who wont respond to a query as to if they are currently using an invincimonk build. No team communication No designated caller. Anyway, sorry to hear of your folly. I myself have had bad experiences down there, but finally found an awesome group and group build. Don't worry, your time will come |
Ruin
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I find that a lot of groups will listern to the monk but can i ask what districts your on Ruin? as i see on here alot of talk about rangers not getting groups but it only seems to be the american servers this happens on.
My ranger that i started recently hasn't had a problem getting a group and even at Iron mines i got in a random group in 5 minutes at level 15. I'm not saying that it's just american players but i think somethings like monks getting 'res me' & 'heal me' seems to happen a lot more due o number of players, as i have only had one person type 'heal me' (In 150 hours of play with my monk) and he did it once before the rest of the group jumped down his neck. |
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every group that i go with into FoW made it pass the first quest. In fact, one group got as far as to the cave with those crazy spiders. Hope you can finally get a good group there, in fact, i'll team up with you if you want!
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peterwestonc
I am a blood necro and only spend attribute points in blood and soul reaping, I feel that degen and spells such as vampire gaze and touch work really well with degen but nobody ever wants a necro hu isnt a minion master why are ppl like this ?
Lord Ertihan
Y'see, the thing is, you really have to have been a monk to truly understand the monk's problems. I can say that none of my characters have ever been a monk's bane, but only because I never used (and finally deleted) my first character (ranger), and my second character was a monk. ANYBODY who has ever played a monk, PvE OR PvP, (and not 55hp monk either), understands how frustrating the various idiocities of people can be. As such, they not only tend to be decent monks themselves, but also usually tend to play their non-monk characters in a non-jerk way (because they darn well know, for example, that a Leeroy tank is really annoying for the healer).
As for Fissure, here are general signs the team might be OK:
- Most of the members are in the same guild. Guilded groups tend (but are not guarenteed) to be better than the average group, because they usually know how to work together. The trouble is getting them to accept you, but as a monk that shouldn't usually be a problem.
- A group composed of buddies. You've probably worked with your buddies before, so that team's very likely to work out better.
- Any group that does not charge headlong straight into fissure as soon as there are 8 people and 1k to go down, unless it's a guild or friend group that already knows its strategy. At the very least, the group should ask if everyone's ready; if it goes down without asking, then I'd suggest leaving.
As for Fissure, here are general signs the team might be OK:
- Most of the members are in the same guild. Guilded groups tend (but are not guarenteed) to be better than the average group, because they usually know how to work together. The trouble is getting them to accept you, but as a monk that shouldn't usually be a problem.
- A group composed of buddies. You've probably worked with your buddies before, so that team's very likely to work out better.
- Any group that does not charge headlong straight into fissure as soon as there are 8 people and 1k to go down, unless it's a guild or friend group that already knows its strategy. At the very least, the group should ask if everyone's ready; if it goes down without asking, then I'd suggest leaving.