Hornbow and 10% sundering bow string HELP

ktadie

ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

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hey,
i just got a nice 10:10 sundering bow string from a very nice guildie,
and im looking for a bow to put it on.
then i remeberd that a Hornbow already has and 10% sundering?
(if it isnt a hornbow, plz tell me witch one it is then)

now, when i put the sundering bow string on the hornbow, will it stack up to
10% sundering and every 10th arrow will have 20% sundering?
(since the bow string has a 10% chance, which is around every 10th arrow)
or will one of the mods be canceld up?

plz tell me if u have any answers
ty

~Ktadie~

darkMishkin

darkMishkin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

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If there is a 10% sundering mod built into the hornbow, then it will stack with your 10% string. I haven't seen anyone mathematically confirming this stat of the hornbow however. But like I said; if it exists, they stack.


mish

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Stealthy Trapper

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Join Date: Dec 2005

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others may correct me if I am wrong but I do believe that the bow and string stack to equal 20% sundering but that doesn't mean that every tenth arrow will be sundering. It basically means that 10%(20% with both) of the times that you release an arrow it will be sundering. example: 100 arrows fired= 10 random arrows(20 with both) will be sundering.

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

no they dont stack, if you put 2 +30 hp grips on that doesnt stack, neither does the sundering.

Greygon

Greygon

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Join Date: May 2005

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If the Hornbow has built in 10% chance at Sundering... Then I would say that you get 2 rolls at it 10% chance followed by 10% chance. If the Horn Bow has a automatic 10% Sundering then I would say you get your 10% Sundering and then a roll at another 10% Sundering. I doubt you'd get one roll at 20% Sundering.

I know this has been debated before, but can anyone confirm that the Horn's have built in sundering or at least a built in chance at sundering?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MMSDome
no they dont stack, if you put 2 +30 hp grips on that doesnt stack, neither does the sundering.
How do you put 2 +30 hp grips on?

Shimus DarkRaven

Shimus DarkRaven

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Join Date: Oct 2005

Titusville, PA <nowhere>

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MMSDome
no they dont stack, if you put 2 +30 hp grips on that doesnt stack, neither does the sundering.
You couldn't stack grips anyways They'd overwrite. But I'm assuming you knew this. But with a build-in-mod, it'll stack with an additional mod to the actual weapon itself. So if indeed a hornbow has an innate 10%, the string being seperate WILL stack, depending on if the bow itself has it innately.

--The Shim

MMSDome

MMSDome

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Join Date: Sep 2005

you dont it was an example saying it doesnt stack

Pompeyfan

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Isle of Wight

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If you put +30 staff wrapping and head on a staff they stack to give +60, so I don't see why a 10% string wouldn't stack with anything built in as applying the string dosen't replace the inate ability.

darkMishkin

darkMishkin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

UK

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It would probably stack in the same way that having two Quick Skill Recharge items would stack. A higherr chance to get 10% penetration, and a small chance to get 20% penetration, or whatever result occurs when both the bow and the mod fire.

Barry Bethell

Barry Bethell

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No Inherent Effect [NiE]

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can this be confirmed by anyone? (the hornbow built in mod that is)

fallot

I'm the king

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by darkMishkin
I haven't seen anyone mathematically confirming this stat of the hornbow however.
Likewise, and until someone does those calculations this bow doesnt exist for me. I have a strong suspicion that it doesnt work, the damage doesnt seem too impressive. I once tried a sundering 10/10 + a hornbow + penetrating attack + judge's insight to see how much damage I could do in one hit. Not very impressive. Tried it without a hornbow (flatbow), almost the same damage, slightly higher actually.

ktadie

ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

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well im 99% sure of that either here or on gwonline.net, is a guide to the differnt bows, on their range and attack speed and then i saw that it said somwhere that a howrnbow has 10% penetration. i have also read this many places on these forum,s but unfortuantly that is some time ago, and cant remember which.

maybe there is a way of finding out,
but then ill need to know, how much extra damage a sundering bow string does (since it has armor penetration)....

Seissor

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10% Sundering is BS anyway, probably the most useless mod for any weapon, the extra dmg it deals given it's chance of success makes it ridiculous and useless IMO.

Rajamic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

IA

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I don't think anyone has mathematically tested Hornbow AP, because many sources say it has it, Gaile has said that some bows have inherent AP, and if it weren't the Hornbow types, they'd just completely suck. And I'm prety sure that the Hornbow AP is always on.

As for the stacking, the only AP that doesn't stack is Strength, Hornbows, and the two "Penetrating" attack skills. They are all Base AP, while everything else is Bonus AP (denoted by a "+X% AP" rather than "X% AP")

ktadie

ktadie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

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does any one know how much extra damage 10% sundering does? (then i could do some tests)

darkMishkin

darkMishkin

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UK

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ktadie
does any one know how much extra damage 10% sundering does? (then i could do some tests)
Are you ready to do a lot of maths? Base damage occurs against 60 AL. Every additional 60 armour halves the amout of damage done to you. This is only the start. I would suggest this calculator, but you will probably not know enemy AL. Read this page on combat mechanics and prepare to sit down in shock, and cry.

ktadie

ktadie

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Grotto dis1

Scars Meadows

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hmm, well sounds like there is alot to do than just looking at the damge, but on
Guild wiki it says that horn bows, ivory bows and shadow bows have the 10% sundering. LINK ::: http://www.guildwiki.org/wiki/Bow

im going to ask them how they know this, and if u can stack the sundering bow string on it.... will post here wut they replied

Jetdoc

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Can anyone confirm that the IVORY bow has 10% armor penetration? I was pretty sure that just Horn and Storm had that feature...

Fyre Brand

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Join Date: Sep 2005

Shadowlight Order [SoR]

Storm bow is a long bow type not a horn bow type.