Watch Out for the Elitist Posters

Anyone else kind of tired of the "elitist" posters who seem to like to post just to talk down to the person asking the question. This is a basic question forum so yes you will get a lot of repetitive and sometimes dumb questions. The thing I hate though is that people will ask a simple and innocent question and you get the "Guild Wars is about blah, blah, blah and you shouldn't play it because you asked a stupid question" posts. So I decided to post two of the categories of questions that the trollers love to hawk on:

Uber Weapons and Armor - Oh this is a fun one because the Gods of Guild Wars will jump all over you when you ask about getting a really good weapon or armor. They will say something to the effect of "Guild Wars is not about getting Uber weapons and super armor that are better than what others have and you should go and play EQ if you want that." Well actually a part of the game is about getting better weapons and better upgrades. Yes the game relies heavily upon skills and how effectively you use them, but having a good, upgraded weapon and set of armor does help significantly in PvE and PvP so why complain when ppl ask about getting them? GW is great because it is balanced so that similar levels shouldn't have totally imbalanced weapons, but there is nothing wrong with looking for/asking about the next best thing....

Player Names - OMG don't name your character anything other than a totally fantasy-like name! This is a fun game and people want to name their characters something that they like and sometimes want that name to be humorous. If the name is offensive then just report it, but if someone names their character Toll Booth Willie don't get all up in arms because you don't like it. (And yes I used Fantasy Names, but I don't start biting my pillow because someone calls themself Tuggin McGroin.)

Loot in General - God help you if you post a question on where the good loot drops because you want to make some money to buy something in game!!! Face it GW has an economy where prices are high for good items. So when ppl ask where they can find "uber" loot don't start up with the whole GW isn't about that crap.

Just in general to me Guild Wars is about whatever I want to make of it. Sometimes I like to try and farm for good items and sometimes I like to try and sell stuff to make money to buy a cool item or just to see how much I can get in my account. (I used to love just trading on other games I have played). I would say that before you start bitching at someone because you think the game is about one thing you think about what might be enjoyable for the person asking the question. The things you enjoy in the game might be entirely different than what they enjoy.

On a side note: I also hate people who make long posts about other people who complain like this one. God I am so self-loathing :P

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Then don't make them. (Note the post above mine please...)

Many of the people here have played during most of the Beta events. It's no surprise that some of us might sound surprised that someone doesn't know certain things about the game. Even still, most of the posts are quite friendly and helpful.

Now, to me, it still seems odd that so many people bought the game expecting it to be yet another "phat-lewt" "uber-level" MMORPG. A minimum amount of reading would have dispelled those disallusions.

But, for the most part, it seems to me that these boards are quite respectable and friendly. Sure, there is the occasional 'elitist' guy posting, but they are quite few and far between. I mean, seriously, have you ever seen the WoW forums? Scary.

I have had a few run ins with people that were not really nice or helpful, but the overall site here is wonderful. As far as people talking down to others, have you ever been anywhere socially? That happens no matter the setting. I am sure that some of what is said is intentionally offensive, because people just HAVE to say the last word in a debate, but not all of the people who ask questions are doing it for learning. Some of you out there are intentionally doing what you do, so if you get shat for it, well, you made your bed, now lay in it.

Why is common sense considered elitist?

Shush. No more logic from you.

Shush me because you do not wish to hear what I am saying, or you do not agree?

I guess I said it because common sense is not logical or common oh well. I capitulate. this time

I for one am tired of reading the same threads and the same questions again and again. There is no stupid question, but there are quite a lot of lazy posters who don't take the time to search nor to think before posting. It might a good idea to read the board rules...

Thread moved to riverside inn (community discussion).

Indeed.

There ae no less than 12 topics about sigils that i have found. there are many many many of this theme also. it has to stop.

This will be my elitist post for the week:
T-Shirt

Now I'll go back to helping nice people and pointing the not-so nice people towards the search funktion.

LMAO OMG thanks I needed that... that is friggin awesome Luggage.

100% pure awesome.

I think I'll get one of those.

I've noticed that what a major problem is, instead of just adding to a thread about the same thing, people will post a brand new thread with the same exact thing that has been discussed in other threads. So, if were seeing a "I want rare weapons" thread with 2 posts that has just been created two threads up from a "This game needs rare weapons" thread that has been going on for a while, I think were entitled to get annoyed.

People are also quick to go to insults if they don't agree with someone, and other people are quick to assume that someone arguing their position is automatically being condesending just cuz they don't agree. Every now and then you'll get a good discussion going, but before long it will get lost in the sea of one line insults and new threads about topics being talked about already.

Elitist most often means "someone who disagrees with me". See: Nerfherder, n00b, a$$hat, fanboi, ad nauseum...they can all be defined the same way.

Is awesome machine washable?

Dry clean only.

It's worth it though, it's very tough to get awesome dirty. And even when you do, it still looks and smells good. That the best part about 100% awesome shirts.

There are an incredible number of people whose sole motivation in playing online games is to lord something over someone else; their level, their gear, their guild, you name it. Griefing people over not knowing something they know is just another form of the same old thing. Rest assured that anyone who needs to brag in a video game to feel special doesn't have much else going for them.

Redfang, the more and more you post,

The more and more I like ya.

I couldn't agree with you more EvilWizard, the point of an RPG is ROLEPLAYING, so therefore I do want a nice shiny armour and fancy sword, because I want to play a role. Seriously, just because it's more skill based dosen't mean it has to abandon every priciple of what makes RPGs fun.

There is plenty of cool looking armor, and lots of awesome weapons. The esthetics of these items are incredibly pleasing, regardless of the usefulness of said weapons and armor. I mean, come on, there is actually an entire set of armor for each class that does nothing but looks different. And it's freakin' expensive too!

Yes, you will find awesome looking stuff. But will it be uber-strong? Well... no.

Well, since this is turning into another rare weapon argument, I just want to say that you want to keep looking for something with better damage and so forth?

But if you stop gaining hp at level 20, and your weapon gets better...

How long till the GvG matches turn into who can hit each other three times with their uber weapon first?

The only way I could accept new and better weapons is if there becomes new and better armor, or additions to the existing armor to knock those down.

I know, it's starting to sound like a grind, but if they at least stay on the same way they have been doing it, at least it would be a fun grind.

I couldn't agree more. Case in point - I have spent HOURS on end searching for the last collector I need for my armor set. I can outright buy the exact same armor - except appearance - easily. I have over 13 platinum so it's not like $ is a problem. The stuff you buy just doesn't look as cool as the stuff I got from the collectors.

The easiest example for people wanting neat, different looking equipment is the dye market.

Have you ever considered that maybe they aren't doing it intentionally, but it's only seen like it from your point of view?

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Why not just make a sticky from every single question that's asked and delete the rest of the same question. Eventually there will be only stickies and people won't have to post anymore YAY. -.-'

*Snipped* There is a large different between someone calling themselves "Tuggin McGroin" or "Lieky Swuck" as compared to "Toll Booth Willie" or "Dixie Flower" or "Bethany Smith". Simple as that.


Kinda funny tho. I always thought the "elitists" were the ones that wanted everything their way, complained endlessly about everyone else and that everything had to be done the same as everything else previously before it.

Or scroll down to the bottom of at least the first page of threads and see if it's been asked and discussed to death.

I love this place

I read this post, and other than inflammatory, I fail to see what the point of this thread is?

Some people are not nice on forums. Thats part of life. Not everyone is going to hold your hand and tell you that you are special and one of a kind in life.

I also do not see why the rules were quoted, and Q&A forum's extra rules were bolded. They all simply *make sense*

So other than being trollish, I do not see why I should not lock this thread?

so the name:
Scratchin McCrabs is a no no ?



damn

Personally, I like when people name their characters something stupid. It makes it easier to know which groups to avoid.

Best. Name. Ever.

I love elitist posters/players makes me remember why I hate standard MMO games. And why having a group of henchmen rocks. I really can't stand people who think they're better because they know more about a game .

Same can be said about the people who consider themselves better and above others because they play (insert other game here) and that Guild Wars is just "lame" because it doesnt have or allow (insert one or all topics from OP here).

The argument goes both ways. Just depends on what side you stand on.

If people are upset that they can't name themselves "Sukmi Lontime" and run around with "The Sword of Ultimate Death" that does 999 damage in a single hit while wearing "The Armor of Invincibility" that makes it so nothing can hit them.. Then its really easy to get WOW or UO or EQ.

If there were better armors, weapons then what are available now, then there would have to be more levels added as levels determine your Health. GW wants players to enjoy the game. Not constantly worry about having to get to the next level so they can get better things so they can fight. I consider it a nice change.. and I do not know of ANY game at all, that allows for any type of inapproperiet name. I wanted to name an elementalist "Sex Kitten" But, its more then likely going to be considered innapropriet. So, I didnt do it. Oh well. Tho.. I wonder if a guild would work >

I guess I look at it from the perspective that someone named Smoky Mcpot isn't likely to take his job seriously enough to get me through a mission. I play Guild Wars because it's fun. Once it starts getting stressful, I stop wanting to play. I'm not the only person who tends to look down on people with "silly" names, but I'm willing to admit I do.

The counter to that: when I last played pvp I ended up randomly with a warrior named Worst Tank Ever. That was hilarious. I was amused. He ended up being pretty good, too. But I was willing to take the chance because it was just a pvp battle. Missions aren't "just" missions to me. My objective is to complete them and get to the next bit of story. In pvp I'd *like* to win, but the objective is to pvp, not to emerge victorious time and time again. I'm a monk. I die first, sometimes second in pvp. Missions take hours, pvp battles take minutes. There's less investment for me, so I can afford to be more relaxed.

As for people who ask questions, well...I tend to be helpful in a vague way. If you ask me where a mission point is, I might tell you it's south by southeast from here. I'll tell you what it's called and probably tell you what to look out for on the way. I don't agree with handholding. It's unfathomable the number of people who have ascended...people who don't even read quest dialogues or watch cutscenes. I had one ascended guy in the Ring of Fire islands ask me where the citadel was. I said the Southern Shiverpeaks. He asked me where the Shiverpeaks were. C'mon. That's just lazy and stupid, I'm sorry. It's mentioned dozens of times in cutscenes and dialogue, and if memory serves several missions are almost exclusively populated with "Shiverpeak" mobs.

I love to help newbies and low level players. I like to help them do missions, help them explore, give them hints on quests. I *don't* like having to explain where you get both attribute point quests because you're too lazy to explore (which is, presumably, why the ENTIRE system is set up the way it is) and too lazy to read (again, this is your fault if you're a serial clicker). I've given hints to other healing monks as to how they might tackle their shadow selves. I don't just tell them "use these skills and beat yourself into a bloody monastic pulp". I actually had one player tell me off and ignore me because I wouldn't drag him through the ascension missions. What the hell? I answered questions for you once, then you friend list me and decide I'm your mom?

I respect your point of view on elitism and snobbishness, but there's another perspective to consider. Guild Wars has a lot of content; a lot to explore, a lot to read and discover, a lot of secrets and hidden goodies waiting to be found and unlocked. If you want a strategy guide so you can have all the Pokemon without having to explore the world and do your own damn research, you should play a single-player console game and leave me alone. If you actually enjoy finding things, exploring with friends, or experimenting simply for the sake of knowledge...well, Guild Wars is an ideal game for you. What some people consider curiosity I consider laziness. It's not like you're PAYING for your time on Guild Wars. So what I consider attempting to goad players into experiencing Guild Wars fully and getting the most out of their experience, others consider rude or condescending.

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thank god i`m not alone.
always been a single gamer,so this online business isgoing to be fresh fields.

but every game i play i usually spend more time examining and exploring than rushing to the end nasty/geezer/geezerette.
if theres a sweet wrapper on the floor in a dungeon 3000 miles squared then i`ll find it.

but have to say i dont agree with going by a name tag to assume the persons maturity.
at my age i feel daft going for fantasy/fictional names,i tend to go comical or red dwarfish.

"If you like Pina Coladas
And getting caught in the rain
If you're not into yoga
If you have half a brain
If you'd like making love at midnight
In the dunes on the Cape
Then I'm the game that you've looked for
Buy me and escape."


The many answers to this post is one of the many reasons I am still arround GWGuru. Great job, guys .

Jimmy Buffett...is that some sort of Necro skill? Or is it a mind-wracking mesmer skill designed to melt my poor monkish brain? : P

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This is the best forum to come to when looking for something about GW. That dose not give us the right to act like asses.

That being said, I hardly ever see a senior member being mean for no damn reason. Now Ive seen them in arguments (that can get pretty heated), but it takes two to tango. People get pissed (I know I have) thats all that can be said. I find that when people really feel they are truly right, most angels of both arguments can then be seen. Then it is up to the reader to decide who is more right.

As long as people refrain from making personal atacks, I see no problem in heated arguments.

I have a feeling that most of these "elitist" posters know quite abit about what they are talking about. If your feelings are hurt in an argument, Im sorry, but there is nothing to be done about it.

Except complain ad nauseam to infinitum about it simply for lack of anything more productive to do. Personally I see an OCEAN of threads in gladiator and guild areas that need some TLC.


Stop the madness. Stamp out this mindless mindlessness.