Minion Factory debate

Undeniably, Minion Factory (either Lulu's or mods) is one of the most fun builds in tombs. Almost every time I'm in a group someone is asking the poor ranger to bring 12 spirits and oh, how about a couple traps? Most people agree it's good to bring winnowing and predatory season, but there's an even split as to whether or not favorable winds does anything for fiends.

Here is the description for FW:
Create a level 1-8 Spirit. For creatures within its range, arrows move twice as fast as normal and strike for +6 damage. This Spirit dies after 30-126 seconds.

Now, does this mean the arrows fly twice as fast AT the creatures within FW range or that it speeds up projectiles fired BY creatures, i.e. fiends?

Can someone please put this debate to rest?

Arrows in flight MOVES 2x faster AT the target.

Quote: Originally Posted by Murder In China Arrows in flight MOVES 2x faster AT the target. Yes, it's a given that the arrows will be aimed at a target. The question is, whom or what is firing the arrows? The description mentions creatures. Creatures as targets or creatures firing at targets?

It doesn't whom fires an arrow, minions, humans, dwarfs, and etc are all creatures.

The real question is not whether minions are creatures (obviously they are), but whether minions fire "arrows", and all the evidence I've seen points to "no, they don't."

from everything i have heard, and common sense... no, FW does not effect minions. minions, or the thingies they hurl at enemies, are not "arrows".

Worked in Sorrows Furnace yesterday.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ray

if it did work, shouldnt it be seen when you are attacked by a fiend?
-20
-4 (winnowing)
-6 (favorable winds)

shouldnt that be the case?

The damage from both is added into the total and not displayed seperately.

a shame...

so how would someone test the effectiveness of FW with fiends?

it works.. FW gives the damage bonus..next time you play the MM.. you can see 30-40 damage per hit.

Quote: Originally Posted by mortalis doleo