Unfulfilled Promises by A.Net?

so no chocolate then

I hope they read the thread on the armor stacking.

I want to know when they change it so maybe I can wear my knight's armor outside of towns.

I was there when you said in LA that chap 2 definately isn't being released the last day of June 2006.

Anyways, I figured I'd just say if it ends up that you're wrong and you end up needing a little help making those 1,000,000+ chocolates I'll bake a couple hundred of them to make your life easier


Anyways people, quit complaining and go play the game. I know we all want new content and we want it now but if they gave you everything you wanted now what would they have for you to buy in 6 months? It's just common business sense.

i think armor will never stack because each one is slightly (or greatly) different.

think of char hides or even ingots that refuse to stack due to a slight build difference.

than think armor x with rune y applied to piece z and that will never stack.

headpiece of air/warer/fire/earth

are all *headpieces* but you cant stack them as headpieces

The first law of software engineering is, "If it works, don't fix it."

The second law is, "Make no changes at all unless you absolutely have no choice."

Further, I think their entire effort is concentrated on the x-pack at this point, which is the future of GW.

Wow.... you guys sure play a lot. Ive been lurking around the boards.. seing crazy numbers like 500, 600,700... here I thought 280 over all my characters was too much :P Ahh if only I had the time

~prime

Gaile, may I ask how exactly do you pick alpha/beta testers? The company I work (which specializes in landscape and on-demand design such as texturing, animation, etc) has contacts with a few game developers, and for most cases companies we dealt with pick people that have absolutely to experience in the game whatsoever.

Do you pick players from forums? Do you care about their game experience? Or maybe player's Guild performance is the key factor? I am curious how things work in ArenaNet

Please don't complain about the game, atleast they update it like they do. Maybe this is just me speaking from my time on diablo ii where blizz likes to update about every 2 years.

I hear ya, GW is probably the last of it's kind, as an online game w/o monthly fees... its hard to be mad at something thats free.

I meant this

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...t=53414&page=4

This statement is a perfect example, in many ways, of what's wrong with portions of any gaming community. First, because it's not done to this person's timing satisfaction, it OBVIOUSLY is a case of lying or breaking a promise. Second, you have the requisite spelling error (differance). Third, because a handful of things haven't been completed within this person's acceptable timing window, all future promises should be suspect...

Observer mode was promised as an upcoming feature MONTHS before it appeared. Same with the cape toggle feature, and many other features that HAVE made it into the game. If Anet has proven one thing over the 8 months or so the game has been out, it's that they DO come through on their promises, and provide us with 10x more gameplay than most crap games out there on the market. Type /age and reflect on what other games you've played for that amount of time for your hard-earned $50. While you're at it, try to remember when a developer came out with as much new content as Anet has in the first 8 months of a release.

Forum mods, you really do a great job on these forums. You really do. Add one more 'close thread' rule to your list - griefing. Please...

While I don't support his post, I don't think it would be concidered "griefing". He stated that he liked the game and pretty much summurised what you said about the /age thing.



Back to the subject. Gaile is correct, in that none of these were ever "promises" per se, but simply how the op percieved them. Though I am kinda sad to hear that Ascalon/Knight's armor may never be updated... NEVER

The trickery, when talking to companies (usually to PR people) is, that they are unfortunately smart enough to be capable of certain rethoric skills.

If you pay close attention to what "they" say, you'll find out that they use a lot of phrases like
"I do believe..."
"I have high hopes that..."
"I have any confidance in this and that will happe"...
"I blablabla..."

Because the majority of people, including me, tend to interpret these phrases as "I promise you that ... take my word for it" confusion is created.

Recalling my thread about blocked character names, I know, that it's a mistake to fall for such rethoric trickery.

They sure want to make the readers belive that <this and that> will happen, but the phrase it in such a manner, that they can't be nailed to it.

So aNet probably didn't promise anything.

About the Knights set. Surely that can't be considered a minor thing, or making a mountain of a molehill? The fact one single piece of Knights has the same effect as a full suit that in itself is cause for concern? It means Knights set is completely useless! You only use one part of it and you get the benefit of a full suit. I know, because I bought a full set of Knights when I first got into Droknar... later on I found out about this, and ever since then it's been sitting with the Xunlai gathering dust (for months now...)

At least fix that, so it's locational (as I believe the manual suggested originally) - making an entire set of armour redundant because you only need one piece is imho quite a big thing.

Edit: if it's true this was a design decision, might I ask why? I don't understand what's the point of Knights set as it is? This applies to the Ascalon set too I believe, so that's two sets of armour... completely useless!

You call it rhetoric trickery, I call it an attempt of concise communication. I think it is important to keep in mind that the questions attempting to shed light at current or planned developments cannot be answered with certainty before all aspects of the respective issue have been agreed upon and finalized within Anet.

Just to add, I think the same also applies for Mesmer Courtly and Performer sets. The "+armour while casting" is global from what I've read, so if that's true as well that ups the "armour sets that are useless in their entirity" to at least 4 (I don't know if there are maybe other sets which are similar)... if this is by design, then it's imho not such a good decision.

Personally i like it, i dont like the look of a full set of knights. I prefere plate or glads so this lets me wear my favoroite and just wear the ascalon helm.

Well, to be fair, why don't we give +7 energy for wearing one piece of gladiator's armor? Or +5 armor (everywhere) for wearing one piece of Wyvern/Platemail armor?

Hell, why even have armor hit-location based in the first place?

You must be one of them

What I was trying to say was: People, don't listen to anything you think you're being promised, until you see the results.
Companies promise all kind of things to keep people attached and focused on them.

Im fed up of people flapping and complaining about the knights armour thing. Either use it and benefit or get on with something else and stop trying to ruin it for the people who like it. Does no one like the fact that you can mix your armour for greater benefit? suerly this gives you greater flexability! or are there too many snobs that bought knights armour and not liking the platemail/knights benefits too much?...boo hoo!...BOO HOO!!

get a life, get a real problem to moan about and stop whining!!...nerf....nerf....NERF EVERYTHING!

(whine) its not fair warriors get an extra rune...its not fair warriors get wepon upgrades...its not fair warriors get adrenalin...its not fair warriors get damage reduction...BOO HOO!

Actually it wouldn't be a nerf it would be a FIX. At least get the terms right before mindlessly flaming people. BigTru makes an excellent point, if nothing is broken about knights/ascalon (or performer/courtly for that matter) they why not make Gladiator and Platemail that good too, by letting their bonuses be universal too? You could have one piece of each more or less and end up with +5 armour, universal damage reduction, universal energy boost, the works! You don't ever need a full set of anything, just buy one piece of each and you've a far better set than all the others! Makes perfect sense... I think the people who resort to flames like the above know something is broken and just like to exploit it, and don't like the possibilty that others might actually want something fixed.

the last i checked you do get universal energy boost from 1 piece of armour, the amount depending on what piece you wear, perhaps you shouldnt get any energy at all unless u use a full set then? so im sorry but they would have to (fix) that too. Im full aware of the terms to use and this to me would be a nerf not a fix. Where does it say that knights was supposed to be -2dmg on each piece and not meant to be universal? just because some disgruntled people dont like this and come up with some reasons to say its broken...pft!

Of course people like me like this, it makes it more interesting.. i dont want to be running around in horrible knights armour for the benefit of -2 reduction although that would maybe be a reason to go for FoW? and also would that change the runes too? would you only get reduction in the armour piece you have them on?....thats going to be hard

Im flaming the repeated moaners and complainers...search the forum its full of them, people should be discussing the best tactics to use their armour and not allways about why warriors should be nerfed in some way or another and Im sure Anet knew what they were doing when they made the game. I have a fantastic idea... why not upgrade all the other armour instead or nerfing the one set?... wouldnt that be wonderful?

Point is with one piece of Gladiators you only get a fraction of the energy compared to a full set of it. Full set = 8 extra energy. Same with platemail, you get +5 for that location - to get full benefit you need the full set of platemail. With Knights/Ascalon/Courtly/Performer (and possibly others) you get the full benefit of the entire set just by using one piece. That's a bit different.

Ok last example, then point made as I don't want to get into an argument e.g. You wear a Gladiator set + Ascalon helmet. You get +7 energy and the same damage reduction as a complete set of Ascalon/Knights. Why is that ok, but it's not ok to have a set of Ascalon + one Gladiator helmet (to get that +7 total energy?). Why is it not OK to wear a full set of Gladiators and one platemail helmet (to get +7 energy and +5 universal AC)... see the pattern here? Complete sets of Ascalon/Knights/Performer/Courtly offer no overall benefit compared to complete sets of other armours, and are therefore redundant and useless. That's something which is imho broken.

Edit: runes are fine as they are, I think those are working as intended (universal bonus, regardless of where you put one on your armour)

From what i can tell the ppl that are upset because some things haven't been done don't seem to understand that this is a freaking game. If your say playing the game of LIFE with one other person and that person says "i think your going to land on the have twins spot"but you don't do you hit them? do you jump up and down and stomp your feet and cry like a little girl if that doesn't happen on your next roll?I mean really guys you can't get upset just because someone THINKS something might happen. you should however enjoy your GAME and be glad that your not paying 50$ a month for it(which anet could charge for a game like this but don't nor do they have plans to do so)and keep in mind that some things take longer to code than others. We all know if GG says something is going to happen it usually does. Most of the time GG does not give a time frame for any changes. who knows most of the stuff that is upsetting you to the point that you can't sleep might still happen when chapter 2 comes out..JESUS JUST GIVE IT TIME.

not all armour has the same stats so you have to balance AR for energy or dmg reduction. Knights does not have the same AR as say platemail and this does balance things a little. I like the idea that I have to think about my armour to get the best possible combination (full plate with knights gloves), you sacrafice some AR for the -2dmg reduction. I for one want to see more armour variations and combinations in chapter 2, but you need to reward people for this by making it worth the hassle otherwise we will all be walking around like clones with the exact same armour, hitting the same way and defending the same way.

I enjoyed reading up on the armour and choosing which to use, going from forum to forum before I decided. This makes me think it was worth the effort because it does make a difference and I feell I have been rewarded for using my initiative and have a slight edge against those who haven’t. Surely this is what playing the game is partially about?... we all play to the best of our abilities....just some more than others. I mean I dont want a character who is exactly the same as everyonelse and I know we have skills but its just not enough for me.

Where do you draw the line between playing the game inteligently and exploiting it?...truth is I dont care. I have to ask myself why people who are complaining about this are really complaining...they have bought the wrong set and now feel disgruntled...otherwise why not just go out and buy youself the combination that exploits the -2 reduction??????? surely that is the smart thing to do...unless you have another set already also the amout of non warrior moaners is just typical... make my build better by nerfing the other....lol

when did this thread become about armor..last i checked it was about anet

Bad analogy. If that was the same as the Knight's/Ascalon armor, why not make it so that you don't get the full effects of the damage reduction from wearing 1 piece? There is an advantage to wearing 2 or more pieces of Gladiators armor. There is an advantage to wearing 2 or more pieces of Wyvern/Platemail. Why not give an advantage for wearing 2 or more pieces of Knight's/Ascalon armor?

Try "the manual"?

And mabey some people feel the same way about only being able to wear one piece of Knight's/Ascalon armor, less they be concidered "gimp" or mabey they just don't like the look of the other armor? Whatever your reason for not wanting to wear full Ascalon/Knight's armor, I'm pretty sure it's not to differant from the people not wanting to wear 1 piece of Knight's/Ascalon armor and having to wear something else.

Completely differant. The manual says that Runes are not location based.

It would be balanced if the Knight's damage reduction wasn't universal. That would mean the Knight's armor is more efficient against Ranger/Warriors or any attack that usually is 40~ damage or less or 2-fold attacks.

How is that thinking? You just put the Knight's armor on the least hit spot, the glove. You then decide if you want energy or more armor. Boom.

If it were changed, you'd have to actually concider if you are more likely to come across more Elementalist damage dealers or Ranger damage dealers.

Um... Are you defending the change or not? Let's not kid ourselves - the only choices for full sets of armor in PvP is Wyvern or Gladiators armor. Almost every serious PvP warrior is wearing the exact same armor as the next. 2 choices for armor. If you fixed Ascalon/Knights, we'd have 3 choices for armor.

Again, are you defending the change or not? If the armor was balanced, you'd decide behind defending against single big-damage bursts (Elementalists, Necromancers) or quick, low damage numbers (Rangers, Warriors).

this was not a bad analogy...I was stating a reply to whether you get a bonus or not from single pieces or not...also I agree here I think they should improve knight armour I dont agree however that the solution should be that damage reduction is location based to the armour same as runes are not (remember you have to apply runes to a single piece of armour so why is it not located to that piece either?) just make the damage reduction stack for each piece but KEEP IT GLOBAL that way everyone is happy.

Ive just read some other posts in this forum... people complaining about broken builds as well... for example using cyclone-bonettis farming build and gear tank build. This is because some people think this is another exploit. I dont think they are any more than knights armour is. If your holding something then the enemies will attack you its because you are made priority...makes sense...woo hoo if you figure out how to actually use this to your advantage. Cyclone and Bonettis tactics is...well using the skills for what they are for...woo hoo if you actually use your brain to use em to your own benefit....THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF PLAYING PVE its all about your combination of skills and how you use em, but dont punish players for hitting on a good combination calling for another nerf because they can do something your character class cant.

btw if you look through the (out of date by a mile) manual it says alot of old things. In fact some skills descriptions in game are still inacurate stating 'the next attack against you is blocked' or something but its realy only the next melee attack thats blocked or whatever.....that is annoying. Some skills still also dont tell you in the description they will end if you use another skill etc etc while others do...the list goes on.

I just cant stop disliking the nerf callers out there who sob and boo hoo if they see another class doing well, then post PLEASE NERF BLAH BLAH and Monks and Warriors seem to be the two classes this happens to the most.

just play the game, chapter 2 is just around the corner, and in meantime if you see skill or a tactic and you decide its an exploit then go out crate a warrior or monk and exploit the same thing, make a wad of cash and stop complaining.

You do benefit something it wasn't a lie. You benefit the fact that you LOOK different than most in the game without it. hahahah So you got your benefit now live with it. hahaha

I think Knights armor should give +15 to +20 Armor vs Missle dmg and remove the damage reduction totally. Since plate and Gladiators pretty much covers melee. Then this would open up a lot of thought to building a warriors armor closet.

Plate should have really been the crappy armor since a Knights armor is considered the best and the prettiest armor of our own middle ages. But, as it stands, Knights armor with a bonus vs missles would be a plus. This would also really piss ranger players off royally. hehe

Knights generally wore platemail. They didn't have a different 'Knights Armour'. Hollywoodism FTW.

I think his "a Knight's armor" means the armor a knight wears, not the Knight's Armor in Guild Wars.

Sir Lancelot had shiny Silver plated Armor, looked better and was stronger than that plain ole platemail the others wore. (in the movie hehe). And what's his name had GOLD PLATED armor. So, knights armor should look better and be better than plain ole plate.

At any rate if Knights armor is the same as plate armor, then why are the stats so far apart? In GW's Knights armor is the worst armor of all the Warrior armors by it's stats. The only valueable piece is gloves or boots for the -2 dmg reduction globally that you now see just about everyone using.

It appears with a shield, one piece of knights armor and superior absorption you are getting a base -7 to damage every hit. Now my question is: Does this include elemental dmg?

plate armour has good enough elemental resistance and is just another reason why a combination is preffered. Dunno about damage reduction effecting elemental?

knights armour sucks...its looks really really bad except for the girls armour

i think this thread needs to be renamed..it went from "Unfulfilled Promises by A.Net?" to "lets only talk about armor and see how many people we can get to complain about knights armor"

Damage reduction does indeed affect elemental/spell damage as well.

And I 100% agree with BigTru's previous post.

Also, with the list of complaints from the op...i would have to say that only the 4th case is worth complaining about, though maybe not a promise, but an annoyance, and should be fixed. The others are extremely minor things.
Definately no one should complain about not enough updates or not enough new content...It's not like we're paying a monthly fee for new things, awesome events, or great support...but we get all that anyway, and that's where Anet is great. For this game, I would have to say that you definately get more than what you paid for. I was never expecting any type of new content such as the sorrows furnace update, which really surprised me, as well as in game events.

Well first of all ANET never used the word "promise or promises", so the thread is moot from that point on. So, now it's about Knights Armor and fixing it or changing it so it doesn't unbalance the game towards casters or rangers. If you're a warrior and not wearing 1 piece of knights/ascalon armor you're just gimping yourself.

Anyway, there is no point in arguing because Knight armor is at a disadvantage, despite Battle Torn and others' comments.
ALL stats compared to 80AL baseline.

Knight
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wear Helm: +20 al vs. physical (NO REDUCTION)
wear one piece = -2 damage, +10 AL vs. physical
wear full set = -2 damage, +10 AL vs. physical

Ascalon
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wear helm : +10 AL s. physical, -2 damage
wear full set: +10 AL vs. physical , -2 damage
wear one piece: +10 AL, -2 damage

Gladiator:
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wear helm: +1 energy,, +20 al vs. physical
wear chest: +3 energy, +20 al vs. physical
wear legs: +2 energy, +20 al vs. physical
wear gloves:+1 energy, +20 al vs. physical
wear boots: +1 energy, +20 al vs. physical

Platemail
=========
wear chest: +5AL vs. elemental, +15 vs. physical
wear legs: +5 AL vs. elemental, +15 vs. physical
wear gloves: +5AL vs. elemental, +15 vs. physical
wear boots: +5 AL vs. elemental, +15 vs. physical

CLEARLY, there is advantages to wearing gladiator's chest/legs when you know you aren't going to be encountering as much elemental monsters. Even for platemail, the 5AL vs. elemental is nominal when you lose 5AL vs. physical. I'd rather have a weapon with +5 Armor suffix and glad's than to take platemail (unless you are killing strictly elemental things; in that case use platemail and +7 vs. elemental weapon suffix modifier).

It's not rocket science/nuclear physics/psychology/ (insert not simple subject)

Even an 8 year old can tell you that energy AND physical protection is better
when you are "tank" or just not fighting elemental mobs that often. After all, if you wanted to fight elemental mobs, then you would utilize the rangers' 100AL vs. elemental (70AL base +30vs. elemental) that hits up to 115AL with the +15 vs. elemtn of choice.

The ONLY downside I see to gladiator's is the fact that it looks horrid (IMO) which is why almost everyone with fissure armor has gladiator's fissure pieces.

/endconfusion

I hope it is clear as distilled water now. Because your water is polluted.