Hello every one,
i happen to be a new member of this site, and i intend to accept all flames and ideas in this thread of mine. Forgive me, cause my english is not very clear, happens to be my second language, so apologies in advance.
I am going to ask about an issue which was probably flamed by possibly every single elemental i know in existance. The issue was "Nerfing of AOE".
Sorrows is one of the places where i have farmed since i have been asended. had no issues with the farming, but... since ANET came up with the AOE nerfing, eles have been looked down by every other profession, Specially Necros.
For us eles, Nuking was probably the most used type which every player used in PVE, since it was meant to do what was written in the handbook which came with the Game CD. It was meant for Destruction. We eles have been balanced with exhaustion and huge manage consumption spells against powerful damaging results. Being honest, it *Was* balanced.
People call Nuker skills Broken, (which in their opinion, got fixed by the nerf) like Metor storm, firestorm, etc. the skills are scattering every single foe i see arround. metor storm works to some extent.
Nowadays, eles are totaly out of demand. every one looks down upon us, tells us clearly that we are of lower class who are worth a penny in farming. We scatter enemies which a Wonderful necro has been killing by an SS (Spiteful Spirit) and SV (Sympathetic Visage). It is clearly understood by every player in the game that eles have been nerfed (at times, i did prove that eles still work in 4 man farming with no necros evem after being nerfed but that requires way more expereince which most eles don't even have). We eles can't take down a MONK boss on our own unless team cooperates, while a necro does it in an instant. Either too many minnions making it a quick kill, or huge number of gathered foes getting messed by an SS and SV combo.
Their skills are by far more powerful, effective (and considered non broken while being overpowered in my honest opinion due to the fact that number of foes gathered, doing mele or casting attacks trigger SS, which gives every adjacent foe a damage of 29 max. Now, a dmg of 29 sure seems very small, but when the number of mob is over 15, and every one gets a dmg of 29 each time its triggered makes it quite effective, and yes, overpowered cause it is like an AOE skill, which effects every one in certain area ( in this case, adjacent foes ) and yet doesn't scatter any foe.
MetorShower, Eles nuker's most important nuking skill, first takes a 3 sec casting time, 60 seconds of recharge, and hits foes in AREA of effect 3 times only within 9 seconds. Sure it knocks them down, but why would any other profession care? It sure does quite a nice scatter. (IMHO, it works, doesn't scatter, but 98% people i see for farming, consider MS a Scattering Skill)
I will not make this post any bigger than it already is, and yeh, i feel turned down by Guildwars, for the fact that elementals are always my favorite. Being treated like the way we are is just not fair to us eles.
My farming time has sharply declined. i know this issue has been flamed before, by other professions of courses, specially rangers and necros.. BUT.. isin't unfair for eles when their entire fire set is turned down by all parties?
Don't tell me to try other elements, i have tried it, and been turned down.
Regardz to all
An Elementalist.
A confusion over "Ele Vs Necro" issue
Xpl0iter
Asprah
Actually air is quite usefull in Pve imho.
I just wanted to say,that mesmers are underused too in pve. I mean 9 of 10 teams will not take you for farming,they will rather take extra W/Mo with fiery dragon noob sword and eternal shield with mending. Ppl dont realise that good mesmer with degen build or interuper can be much more usefull then dmg dealing character. They realise power of mesmers once they start some tombing (if ever)
GG.
I just wanted to say,that mesmers are underused too in pve. I mean 9 of 10 teams will not take you for farming,they will rather take extra W/Mo with fiery dragon noob sword and eternal shield with mending. Ppl dont realise that good mesmer with degen build or interuper can be much more usefull then dmg dealing character. They realise power of mesmers once they start some tombing (if ever)
GG.
Stormlord Alex
Dude, don't go knocking on us whammo's... 4 w3 h4v3 73h F13RY DR4G0N 5W0RD 0V UB4 pWN4G3 cuz W3 R, L13K 1337 lolzorz !!!!one one! shift + eleven!!! (btw, I have a whammo... and I hate all the prejudice against W/Mo, especially later on. I don't aggro, I carry Succor instead of Mending, and Spathas >>>>>> Dragon Swords...)
On topic... Fire isn't useless now, just switch out Meteor Shower and Firestorm etc. for Rodgort's Invocation and Incendiary Bonds... still works fine.
All Ele's have to do now is, you know, THINK (oh, the horror!), rather than just Echo- Shower - Shower ZOMG PWND! Besides, you get to BURNINATE THE COUNTRYSIDE.
And Necro's probably are a tad over-powered, but it's ok because they look cool and they dance cool and they are s3xy.
On topic... Fire isn't useless now, just switch out Meteor Shower and Firestorm etc. for Rodgort's Invocation and Incendiary Bonds... still works fine.
All Ele's have to do now is, you know, THINK (oh, the horror!), rather than just Echo- Shower - Shower ZOMG PWND! Besides, you get to BURNINATE THE COUNTRYSIDE.
And Necro's probably are a tad over-powered, but it's ok because they look cool and they dance cool and they are s3xy.
Xpl0iter
Hello,
i won't deny what Asprah said above. Mesmers are underused, and after being nerfed, i did a 4 man run in SF with 1 war, 1 monk, 1 Mesmer and Elemental ( my self ) which went quite well. I do carry incendiary and invocation with Metorshower in my build still. My build was when i joined Guildwars, was mine, not a build from site, and even after beign nerfed, it was mine not from a site ( and i never saw a build post nerf any way )
Echo shower is part of a regular strategy, and mind you, i use it wisely, not on a full mob, but where i need it to be at times i want. i can ignore a mob and hit one priest than killing the mob first which is doing nothing compared to the priest himself.
Ele build was made by someone, who did put his mind into that build before he/she came up with the idea of Echoing MS.
My question NOW to every one is this, Who is putting their minds in making a Necro build? Creating minnions and healing them is all i see at most times? Don't you as well? Echosing SS with SV by a Necro is as similar to any ele echoing an MS.
SS is definetly an overpowered skill which is used by most noobs at this very point who see a necro being used by every farming team, regardless of how idiots they are.
It is like this, Any person who loves a MEELE game, when joins GUildwars, 90% of the times takes a Warrior and not ranger, who can still pack quite a damage from range. Any new person who loves casting goes for Elemental by default, hence i saw 90% of the new guys doing several silly mistakes, and not knowing what they are doing at first place.
We eles encounter continious critisism which is far worst than the nerfing of AOE it self. We are degraded by Monks and Necros.
Like i said before, an ELE was suppose to pack a damage, rather than a necro who is doing it with his overpowered SS, ( mind you, most don't even know what SS is like while they are using it, and which other skills interupt it )
the farming areas are flooded with necros. every one wants them, and ele either has to make his own group, and yet encounter hate while a necro is being requested to join a team.
Air build wont work in SF, i have tried it before. it does pack quite a damage to *one* person, and not the group WHICH makes it less in demands.
People who worked with my fire ele to farm, loved my build, never had issues with them, but yet I had to WORK with them to prove that IT works, unlike the Nerfing concept which is set in their mind, saying "Eles are Nerfed and Useless in Any farming" 80% of the necros i meet now, have no sense of idea of what their skills are doing, and the rest of the 20% have such a high ego that they literally let us know that " We look down upon you since we do more damage than any of you eles out there with our elite SS "
I can take down a monk boss definetly, but for that, i need assistance from my team, while a noob necro (knowing not his skills) can create 10 minnions, and hit the crap out of the monk boss, OR an SS person with Spinal Shivers doing continious interupt while killing the monk instantly.
Necros are wanted in Underworld Major farming, and Necros are wanted in Sorrows Furnace Farming. Eles, neither of the 2. We do have SV as well since we are ELE/MES, but rest of the damaging skills do nothing compared to SS of a necro which ignores armour, since it is not a physical hit or projectile encountering any armour in way.
Yes, fire isn't as useless as it seems, but quite useless since it gets you no attention, no team. I can't work with every single of them out there to prove that fire still works even after being nerfed?
If any necro and monk out their would like to prove the facts that i have presented above, i will gladly bring examples from the game itself to prove them wrong. You can shatter any regular ele's ego, but it will take hell lot to do mine.
I know my build far well than most.
Regardz
An Elementalist
i won't deny what Asprah said above. Mesmers are underused, and after being nerfed, i did a 4 man run in SF with 1 war, 1 monk, 1 Mesmer and Elemental ( my self ) which went quite well. I do carry incendiary and invocation with Metorshower in my build still. My build was when i joined Guildwars, was mine, not a build from site, and even after beign nerfed, it was mine not from a site ( and i never saw a build post nerf any way )
Echo shower is part of a regular strategy, and mind you, i use it wisely, not on a full mob, but where i need it to be at times i want. i can ignore a mob and hit one priest than killing the mob first which is doing nothing compared to the priest himself.
Ele build was made by someone, who did put his mind into that build before he/she came up with the idea of Echoing MS.
My question NOW to every one is this, Who is putting their minds in making a Necro build? Creating minnions and healing them is all i see at most times? Don't you as well? Echosing SS with SV by a Necro is as similar to any ele echoing an MS.
SS is definetly an overpowered skill which is used by most noobs at this very point who see a necro being used by every farming team, regardless of how idiots they are.
It is like this, Any person who loves a MEELE game, when joins GUildwars, 90% of the times takes a Warrior and not ranger, who can still pack quite a damage from range. Any new person who loves casting goes for Elemental by default, hence i saw 90% of the new guys doing several silly mistakes, and not knowing what they are doing at first place.
We eles encounter continious critisism which is far worst than the nerfing of AOE it self. We are degraded by Monks and Necros.
Like i said before, an ELE was suppose to pack a damage, rather than a necro who is doing it with his overpowered SS, ( mind you, most don't even know what SS is like while they are using it, and which other skills interupt it )
the farming areas are flooded with necros. every one wants them, and ele either has to make his own group, and yet encounter hate while a necro is being requested to join a team.
Air build wont work in SF, i have tried it before. it does pack quite a damage to *one* person, and not the group WHICH makes it less in demands.
People who worked with my fire ele to farm, loved my build, never had issues with them, but yet I had to WORK with them to prove that IT works, unlike the Nerfing concept which is set in their mind, saying "Eles are Nerfed and Useless in Any farming" 80% of the necros i meet now, have no sense of idea of what their skills are doing, and the rest of the 20% have such a high ego that they literally let us know that " We look down upon you since we do more damage than any of you eles out there with our elite SS "
I can take down a monk boss definetly, but for that, i need assistance from my team, while a noob necro (knowing not his skills) can create 10 minnions, and hit the crap out of the monk boss, OR an SS person with Spinal Shivers doing continious interupt while killing the monk instantly.
Necros are wanted in Underworld Major farming, and Necros are wanted in Sorrows Furnace Farming. Eles, neither of the 2. We do have SV as well since we are ELE/MES, but rest of the damaging skills do nothing compared to SS of a necro which ignores armour, since it is not a physical hit or projectile encountering any armour in way.
Yes, fire isn't as useless as it seems, but quite useless since it gets you no attention, no team. I can't work with every single of them out there to prove that fire still works even after being nerfed?
If any necro and monk out their would like to prove the facts that i have presented above, i will gladly bring examples from the game itself to prove them wrong. You can shatter any regular ele's ego, but it will take hell lot to do mine.
I know my build far well than most.
Regardz
An Elementalist
striderkaaru
@xploiter
before the update, how often did you use an elem build that did not involve fire magic and echo/arcane echo?
basically, before the update, 98% of elems in the pve game were "echo fire nukers." the reason for the "aoe nerf" was more of a balance between elems rather than between other classes. the purpose was to get people to start looking into the other elements. however, since 80% of the gw population doesn't like to think, they gave up on elems instead and started looking for other options. that's why there's a new craze for necros.
you shouldn't complain that elems are in less demand now. there was a time when all people wanted were tanks, monks, and nukers. necros are happy now that they are finally getting attention. maybe one day, mesmers and rangers will get the same kind of attention.
before the update, how often did you use an elem build that did not involve fire magic and echo/arcane echo?
basically, before the update, 98% of elems in the pve game were "echo fire nukers." the reason for the "aoe nerf" was more of a balance between elems rather than between other classes. the purpose was to get people to start looking into the other elements. however, since 80% of the gw population doesn't like to think, they gave up on elems instead and started looking for other options. that's why there's a new craze for necros.
you shouldn't complain that elems are in less demand now. there was a time when all people wanted were tanks, monks, and nukers. necros are happy now that they are finally getting attention. maybe one day, mesmers and rangers will get the same kind of attention.
Burakus Lightwing
I will say quickly that I'm sure 98% of ele's use(used) fire because...the game is set up that way. Unfortunately all of your skills from the outset of the game are fire. That needs to be changed, A warrior will get axe,sword and hammer skills in pre-sear but my ele won't get usefull elements, aside from fire, until much later in the game. I hate the nerf. I never used my ele to farm I like just PvE'ing, quests and missions with him but the AoE IMHO has truly weakend this class.
Also, why do some ele spells take forever to cast? Rangers can interupt these in a heartbeat and our poor ele's can do nothing against that +30 vs. ele dmg armor....ridiculous!
I have played Neverwinter myself and actually just from reading books I've always liked mages so it was a no brainer to pick an ele and play around with it. I still loving playing an ele and there's a wide variety of spells but to trully take advantage of them you really need to pump your attrib into 1 line and go with it. I think that after the nerf Anet should have given us ele's more direct damage spells...why not Fire Armor..your attacker suffers from x amount of fire damage everytime you are hit while it's up?
Now as far as ele vs. nec ....well I play an ele/N because Nec are pretty powerful and I feel I can get the best of both worlds
Just opened up a 2nd account and plan on trying a Nec/Mo...poor ele's they're not what they used to be and Rangers just own them.
Also, why do some ele spells take forever to cast? Rangers can interupt these in a heartbeat and our poor ele's can do nothing against that +30 vs. ele dmg armor....ridiculous!
I have played Neverwinter myself and actually just from reading books I've always liked mages so it was a no brainer to pick an ele and play around with it. I still loving playing an ele and there's a wide variety of spells but to trully take advantage of them you really need to pump your attrib into 1 line and go with it. I think that after the nerf Anet should have given us ele's more direct damage spells...why not Fire Armor..your attacker suffers from x amount of fire damage everytime you are hit while it's up?
Now as far as ele vs. nec ....well I play an ele/N because Nec are pretty powerful and I feel I can get the best of both worlds
Just opened up a 2nd account and plan on trying a Nec/Mo...poor ele's they're not what they used to be
schutz
if you dont like it, use one of the other many classes available to you! most of us had to so you can to
Tarot Ribos
Burakus has a point. Fire is the most supported element earlier in the game, with the others playing catchup. It seems the only other element that gets skills pre-searing is Air... and Blinding Flash has no business being in that part of the game.
Fire gets Flare and Firestorm early on. And early in the game is where Flare shines. It can put out a DPS over five times that of an elementalist wanding things. Air gets... Lightning Javelin. Which is not spammable, and expensive for the damage. Oh yeah, and up until the major Charr encounters, you'll rarely find a need for the interruption.
Water and Earth just get screwed completely. There's nothing to say about these two.
All the early game support is why most ele's use Fire. And since the nerfing hurt Fire the most, many people are viewing Eles as weaker classes. In all honesty, though, the nerf was needed. It just doesn't make sense for an enemy to stand in the Firestorm taking a constant stream of damage.
So now it seems the biggest professions are Warriors, Monks, and Necros. Where's the love for the Rangers and especially Mesmers in PvE? Mesmers are capable of damage spikes too, you know! Not to mention enemies are stupid enough to continue attacking under Empathy and cast spells under Backfire. Oh, it's area damage you want? What about the Ranger's traps?
Honestly, the discrimination against Rangers and Mesmers is pointless, stupid, and annoying. So much so, I don't even bother with PUGs anymore. I automatically take henchmen.
Fire gets Flare and Firestorm early on. And early in the game is where Flare shines. It can put out a DPS over five times that of an elementalist wanding things. Air gets... Lightning Javelin. Which is not spammable, and expensive for the damage. Oh yeah, and up until the major Charr encounters, you'll rarely find a need for the interruption.
Water and Earth just get screwed completely. There's nothing to say about these two.
All the early game support is why most ele's use Fire. And since the nerfing hurt Fire the most, many people are viewing Eles as weaker classes. In all honesty, though, the nerf was needed. It just doesn't make sense for an enemy to stand in the Firestorm taking a constant stream of damage.
So now it seems the biggest professions are Warriors, Monks, and Necros. Where's the love for the Rangers and especially Mesmers in PvE? Mesmers are capable of damage spikes too, you know! Not to mention enemies are stupid enough to continue attacking under Empathy and cast spells under Backfire. Oh, it's area damage you want? What about the Ranger's traps?
Honestly, the discrimination against Rangers and Mesmers is pointless, stupid, and annoying. So much so, I don't even bother with PUGs anymore. I automatically take henchmen.
knives
The aoe nerf was to disrupt solo UW who used balthazars aura, and many other farmers who did so. The debilitation of the fire line was just a sacrifice they had to make.
PS: Earth does more damage.
PS: Earth does more damage.
Burakus Lightwing
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Originally Posted by Tarot Ribos
So now it seems the biggest professions are Warriors, Monks, and Necros. Where's the love for the Rangers and especially Mesmers in PvE? Mesmers are capable of damage spikes too, you know! Not to mention enemies are stupid enough to continue attacking under Empathy and cast spells under Backfire. Oh, it's area damage you want? What about the Ranger's traps?
Honestly, the discrimination against Rangers and Mesmers is pointless, stupid, and annoying. So much so, I don't even bother with PUGs anymore. I automatically take henchmen. I hope I didn't sound like I was bashing the Rangers...well maybe a bit.
My apologies.. I think they are a very powerful class. So much so that I have started one on each account. I'm running a Ranger/Mes and a Ranger/Ele. If you can't beat them...join them!! I also just started a mes primary. It's fun(for me) to play around with different builds...yes even in PvE
As I stated before I play an Ele as well and l-o-v-e it. I'm just a little saddend by the reduced production..this could also be me too
As for the necro, well I'm going to try the necro/monk and see how I like it. With the Ele/N I use blood and curse and really don't like death magoc at all. So we'll see how a Necro prime goes. I can see myself switching to a Necro/ele or even an Ele/mes(which could be loads of fun) or a Mes/ele for fast casting those damage spells. If Death magic is what I need to rely on for a necro though, that won't be for me, I'm no minion master.
So Schutz if you were talking to me...well I'm currently running 6 different PvE characters over 2 accounts. So I have made others and I still do enjoy taking my Ele out for a spin.
Honestly, the discrimination against Rangers and Mesmers is pointless, stupid, and annoying. So much so, I don't even bother with PUGs anymore. I automatically take henchmen. I hope I didn't sound like I was bashing the Rangers...well maybe a bit.
My apologies.. I think they are a very powerful class. So much so that I have started one on each account. I'm running a Ranger/Mes and a Ranger/Ele. If you can't beat them...join them!! I also just started a mes primary. It's fun(for me) to play around with different builds...yes even in PvE
As I stated before I play an Ele as well and l-o-v-e it. I'm just a little saddend by the reduced production..this could also be me too
As for the necro, well I'm going to try the necro/monk and see how I like it. With the Ele/N I use blood and curse and really don't like death magoc at all. So we'll see how a Necro prime goes. I can see myself switching to a Necro/ele or even an Ele/mes(which could be loads of fun) or a Mes/ele for fast casting those damage spells. If Death magic is what I need to rely on for a necro though, that won't be for me, I'm no minion master.
So Schutz if you were talking to me...well I'm currently running 6 different PvE characters over 2 accounts. So I have made others and I still do enjoy taking my Ele out for a spin.
Effendi Westland
My thoughts: I hope they nerf the necro class
Kilabi
I hope they nerf the ranger class
and the warrior
and the necro
and the monk
and the mesmer
Damn iam a Ele! I am the only one supposed to deal damage. U cant do that to me!
Thats what this Thread sounds to me. Ever tried to play a Necro without farming? Tried to get a group in early missions? Tried to get a group which doesnt want u to minion/SS/batterypack? Ever tried to get a group into SF with a ranger?
And the necro for sure isnt the one to be nerft. SS was there before the elenerf and nobody was intressted in it because Echo/MS/arcane echo/MS/ MS owned in PvE. Now you´r not the uberKillers so you think the class which took ur place should be nerft?
Ele is and will be the class which allways will find a group. Just look at normal Groups: Monks Ele Warrior multiplied numbers u need.
Eles are not the one to complain about their weakness and not finding a group.
and the warrior
and the necro
and the monk
and the mesmer
Damn iam a Ele! I am the only one supposed to deal damage. U cant do that to me!
Thats what this Thread sounds to me. Ever tried to play a Necro without farming? Tried to get a group in early missions? Tried to get a group which doesnt want u to minion/SS/batterypack? Ever tried to get a group into SF with a ranger?
And the necro for sure isnt the one to be nerft. SS was there before the elenerf and nobody was intressted in it because Echo/MS/arcane echo/MS/ MS owned in PvE. Now you´r not the uberKillers so you think the class which took ur place should be nerft?
Ele is and will be the class which allways will find a group. Just look at normal Groups: Monks Ele Warrior multiplied numbers u need.
Eles are not the one to complain about their weakness and not finding a group.
MoeSyzslak
SS...overpowered? C'mon...
In PvP all the opposition needs to do is smite it or stand still...or have a mesmer shut me down...or a necro degen me...or a ranger interrupt me...or an ele spank my buttery soft scar covered flesh.
In PvE the issue folks may have is that baddies in SF & UW are quite vulnerable to it. It's not overpowered, just happens that the AI in some lucrative places is vulnerable to it so it's especially useful.
There are many other places I've found where a nec has an easier time blood spiking and using wells or MMing.
In PvP all the opposition needs to do is smite it or stand still...or have a mesmer shut me down...or a necro degen me...or a ranger interrupt me...or an ele spank my buttery soft scar covered flesh.
In PvE the issue folks may have is that baddies in SF & UW are quite vulnerable to it. It's not overpowered, just happens that the AI in some lucrative places is vulnerable to it so it's especially useful.
There are many other places I've found where a nec has an easier time blood spiking and using wells or MMing.
evil.E
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Originally Posted by Tarot Ribos
Water and Earth just get screwed completely. There's nothing to say about these two.
I can still solo farm Minos and Griffons with my earth ele. The thing you have to realize about the Ele lines is that only 2 of them are set up for pure damage (Fire & Air). Water is more defensive while Earth is sort of a middle ground between Damage and Defense.
As far as the AoE nerf it's a sad day when the AI is smart enough to move out of an AoE spell yet real players don't have the common sense to do the same. How many PuGs have you been in where the player still tries to cast while standing in the middle of a Maelstrom?
IMO Eles still have a place and whenever I put together a Guild group I always include one. The problem is that most of them didn't change their strats after the AoE nerf. They still bring useless AoE spells like Firestorm or Searing heat instead of focusing on direct damage. This is the change I made and have never triggered a mob to run even though I still use fire magic during missions.
I also don't rely on being invited to groups to do what I need to do. If my guildies aren't on then henchies work just fine. It's funny how people cry about henchies eating up your drops but fail to realize that it's no different then being in a random PuG. After all what are the odds of Random Player X giving you that rare Chaos Axe just out of the goodness of their heart?
As far as the AoE nerf it's a sad day when the AI is smart enough to move out of an AoE spell yet real players don't have the common sense to do the same. How many PuGs have you been in where the player still tries to cast while standing in the middle of a Maelstrom?
IMO Eles still have a place and whenever I put together a Guild group I always include one. The problem is that most of them didn't change their strats after the AoE nerf. They still bring useless AoE spells like Firestorm or Searing heat instead of focusing on direct damage. This is the change I made and have never triggered a mob to run even though I still use fire magic during missions.
I also don't rely on being invited to groups to do what I need to do. If my guildies aren't on then henchies work just fine. It's funny how people cry about henchies eating up your drops but fail to realize that it's no different then being in a random PuG. After all what are the odds of Random Player X giving you that rare Chaos Axe just out of the goodness of their heart?
Vilaptca
I'd just like to mention that you are complaining about a Elite skill being more powerful than normal skills. Thats a pretty silly basis for an argument.
ERMC
it's true that Eles are not as popular as they use to be they still get in groups rather easily. I seen plenty of people asking for echo nukers for farming and FoW and all that stuff. The problem is with eles that can't break the habit and don't realize the old tactics don't work anymore. Those eles give the rest of the GW players a bad impression just as bad mesmers and bad rangers and bad w/mos do for those classes. As for why u got a better chance of finding 10 fire eles by standing still in warcamp before u even see a water ele is just the way the game is set up as has been stated before. The game gives very powerfull spells early in the game, heck you get meteor shower in Kryta. Now it's the necros turn to be the the most popular caster (besides the monk). The irony is AoE nurf made the AI run out of a shower which many people say should happen but the necro SS just exploits more AI stupidity. They attack through a condition while all there friends are getting hurt. The AoE nurf was more for solo monks then echo nukers.
The funny part is you keep implying that echo nuking was a challenge. It was far from that and if u stack ele attun, fire attun then archane echo, meteor shower, firestorm, meteor shower u will never have mana issues and that is just one example. MM is much harder to run as many people can say they seen crappy MM but the goods one shine. I do agree that an echo SS is the same thing as a echo nuker and don't worry as any guild wars player can see Anet will do something to the AI again or to the skill (as they have done to PB for the 55hp monk the nightmares in UW and so on) and a new build will release and the cycle will continue.
To finish up Fire ele is still the most popular ele in guild wars still is regardless of AoE nerf. Few eles after the update switched elements. If you think it's hard to get a group as a fire ele please go to ToA, go to warcamp, go to any mission outpost and you will still see eles getting in groups just as easy as before. If you can't handle the down talk from other players then get thicker skin. I bet if i get on my water ele and you and your nuker we both go to ToA advertise let's see how many groups ask you to join compared to me. Even though taking a water ele with a nuker would be the smartest thing to do cause i can bring down the enemies to a snails pace and nukers can feel all powerfull again dropping hot rocks on people. They made the class not as mindless as before and echo nuking was a no brainer. the echo SS will be nerfed in some way just a matter of time.
The funny part is you keep implying that echo nuking was a challenge. It was far from that and if u stack ele attun, fire attun then archane echo, meteor shower, firestorm, meteor shower u will never have mana issues and that is just one example. MM is much harder to run as many people can say they seen crappy MM but the goods one shine. I do agree that an echo SS is the same thing as a echo nuker and don't worry as any guild wars player can see Anet will do something to the AI again or to the skill (as they have done to PB for the 55hp monk the nightmares in UW and so on) and a new build will release and the cycle will continue.
To finish up Fire ele is still the most popular ele in guild wars still is regardless of AoE nerf. Few eles after the update switched elements. If you think it's hard to get a group as a fire ele please go to ToA, go to warcamp, go to any mission outpost and you will still see eles getting in groups just as easy as before. If you can't handle the down talk from other players then get thicker skin. I bet if i get on my water ele and you and your nuker we both go to ToA advertise let's see how many groups ask you to join compared to me. Even though taking a water ele with a nuker would be the smartest thing to do cause i can bring down the enemies to a snails pace and nukers can feel all powerfull again dropping hot rocks on people. They made the class not as mindless as before and echo nuking was a no brainer. the echo SS will be nerfed in some way just a matter of time.
saphir
i never do understand these class vs class things... ele vs necro, monk vs wars and everyone else, mesmers/rangers vs the world...
or people in the game who generalize that all eles suck, or all w/mo are idiots. do they mean 'all w/mo's are idiots, except my w/mo of course' or do they mean 'all w/mo's are idiots, my necro owns you... but it's the only class i've ever played'
i don't know about anyone else, but i have 4 chars in my account, a monk, necro, a mes, and a ranger. my first character was an ele/r (never went e/me as i don't like exhaustion), but finally deleted to make room for my mes as i got bored of playing 4mil xp worth of the ele. maybe players who generalize have 4 character slots filled w/ w/mo w/mo w/mo w/mo or n/mo n/mo mo/w mo/w?
i agree with the above poster that it's a sad day when your own party members are more dumb than the enemy's AI routines. When casters stand in maelstrom/chaos storm/firestorm and warriors merrily frenzy through SS while casters crowd around them... you know that day has arrived.
I do not stand near anyone with SS on them, I do not sit like a duck when hit by barrage, and I get the hell out of there when there's a firestorm or balth's aura nearby. So should the enemy, and one day if anet holds true to the calim that the AOE nerf was "how the AI was originally meant to be and not aimed at farmers" then maybe that will happen.
Until then, play another class or change your skills around. There are so many to choose from! Mix fire and earth, or earth and water, or go earth.
Let me tell you the most remarkable thing I saw the other day in UW.
It was an earth ele, just killing the aatxes at melee range like there was no tomorrow, self supporting and doing much better than the warriors. Barely took any damage and was giving those bulls a good smacking.
There's a whole sand box of skills out there, and many a corner all of us have yet to explore.
or people in the game who generalize that all eles suck, or all w/mo are idiots. do they mean 'all w/mo's are idiots, except my w/mo of course' or do they mean 'all w/mo's are idiots, my necro owns you... but it's the only class i've ever played'
i don't know about anyone else, but i have 4 chars in my account, a monk, necro, a mes, and a ranger. my first character was an ele/r (never went e/me as i don't like exhaustion), but finally deleted to make room for my mes as i got bored of playing 4mil xp worth of the ele. maybe players who generalize have 4 character slots filled w/ w/mo w/mo w/mo w/mo or n/mo n/mo mo/w mo/w?
i agree with the above poster that it's a sad day when your own party members are more dumb than the enemy's AI routines. When casters stand in maelstrom/chaos storm/firestorm and warriors merrily frenzy through SS while casters crowd around them... you know that day has arrived.
I do not stand near anyone with SS on them, I do not sit like a duck when hit by barrage, and I get the hell out of there when there's a firestorm or balth's aura nearby. So should the enemy, and one day if anet holds true to the calim that the AOE nerf was "how the AI was originally meant to be and not aimed at farmers" then maybe that will happen.
Until then, play another class or change your skills around. There are so many to choose from! Mix fire and earth, or earth and water, or go earth.
Let me tell you the most remarkable thing I saw the other day in UW.
It was an earth ele, just killing the aatxes at melee range like there was no tomorrow, self supporting and doing much better than the warriors. Barely took any damage and was giving those bulls a good smacking.
There's a whole sand box of skills out there, and many a corner all of us have yet to explore.
Moon-Gel
this is totally off topic, and i will take flame for this, but i remember i d2 LoD when patch 1.10 came out, it completly shut down java zons. It took awhile, but people found ways to make them "do-able" thats just what needs to happen now, find effective use of fire nukes.
but i would like to complain about we were degraded for just "echo and MS" what bout SS necros? echo and ss, and spam sv?
also ive found w/ MS in Sf theyll take 2 hits from a shower and run, witch is stilla bit of dmg. just u know little heads upP
but i would like to complain about we were degraded for just "echo and MS" what bout SS necros? echo and ss, and spam sv?
also ive found w/ MS in Sf theyll take 2 hits from a shower and run, witch is stilla bit of dmg. just u know little heads up
Xpl0iter
Hello every one, sorry was busy in real life, so couldn't reply.
@striderkaaru
Let me clear something very basic here. I Still play as Fire ele After AOE nerf, and i still do hell of a chaos without silly ass necros ( mind u, thats one of my characters too ) I have been an SS necro my self, and quite honest, i can eat a sandwich with one hand, and play with the other and talk on a speaker phone while paying much attention to what i am doing and yet taking hell of a lives in pve. In my fire build, which was *not* taken from a site, i had come up with an original build in 2 days after the nerf AND proved it still kicked ass. ISSUE is not my own ability, but people's mind just doesn't accept the fact that ELES still WORK if used right. Sure i need to use every single of my 8 skills which i have and need certain weapons to be affective PLUS i need to pay ALL the attention i have got. Necro, well, 4 would be fine for my SS build and mind You, it includes an ECHO skill, so..... shall i call it, SS ECHO nuker? I don't know which time that was when people were crazy for eles, i purchased this game not long enough, and i chose my character cause of the fact that i love magic.
And in last, FIRE is the most used element Not cause the player itself wants to have it, BUT the OTHER people who will mostly seek an elemental who can produce some DAMAGE. Hence, i will assume it is also a way of being forced by the community to use fire element?
I am not a bad Air spiker my self, but it is People that want me to be a FIRE element when it comes to PVE. I Hope that answers the "You Shouldn't Complaint" part you had in your post.
@Burakus Lightwing
My point is not very different than that of yours. Most basic eles i have met nowadays still hold firestorm, and wondering why groups just doesn't want them any more. i Do run them free to yak's bend and get them the proper skills which would hold them for a while for Basic ELE using.
Even then, the issue stays, their basic skill which they are being provided with is Firestorm and not Fireball. I guess ANET needs to fix that part?
@schutz
I do not see a point of Ele class existing if most of you had to switch to other professions and accepting the idea of "Ele is Useless".... Question is this, why can't eles be balanced any more like someone mentioned in post above... by giving them new skills like Fireball?
You can't make this game nerf an entire class where so many people like magic skills just cause of the Nerfing of Farming act? I do not see much of a nerf any way where Necro and Monk builds are still ruling UW with dual builds? Get my point? AOE affect in UW mean't not much of a difference even after the Nerf!
@knives
sure does, but not as quickly spamable as fire, i have tried earth build for a change along with water build too.. Just for Teh Kickz!
@Vilaptca
Question, is there any Other elite from any other profession which basically is doing the damage in Area ( all the adjacent enemies technically is an Area of enemies my friend, basic of maths ) and they all get shadow damage, which ignores armour? Why don't you bring in the effect of Armour for SS and then increase the Area of Spiteful Spirit to see if that works? Just a thought if Foes get Intellegent enough to notice their health dropping for some reason when they are close to whom they attack... hm? None of my elites can do a chaos like an SS does any way.
@ERMC
I will totally agree with you that eles are being given a bad impression due to the fact that Most people use eles for their Spells, and forget that there HAS to be a combo to apply proper damage to the target. Hence people just prefer an SS necro along with minnion master ( remember the example i gave above of me eating? ) i really can do what i have said above. My whole point is Quite the same, SS needs to be toned down a bit to bring eles back into scene, Not as powerful as pre nerf, but not as weak either as Post nerf.
I am just waiting for SS to be toned down.
IN last
All i gotta say is this. I am proud of me being an ele, and the groups i farm with, Do accept that eles are still worth being grouped with. The issue is the number of idiots out there who have no idea about the ele usage, be that Any class in elements. I now switch to the character which a group seeks when ever i want to do farming, and it works, i just have 3 characters to play with. My ele, necro, and war. Their secondary class doesn't matter cause i switch them back and forth all the time.
The point i intend to convey is the use of AOE effect with SS while AI just ignores the Dmg that SS is causing them. Don't go telling me that it is cause one is Elite and other skill is "just another". An AOE is an AOE, it is suppose to affect each and every skill with every profession.
Regardz
An Elementalist
@striderkaaru
Let me clear something very basic here. I Still play as Fire ele After AOE nerf, and i still do hell of a chaos without silly ass necros ( mind u, thats one of my characters too ) I have been an SS necro my self, and quite honest, i can eat a sandwich with one hand, and play with the other and talk on a speaker phone while paying much attention to what i am doing and yet taking hell of a lives in pve. In my fire build, which was *not* taken from a site, i had come up with an original build in 2 days after the nerf AND proved it still kicked ass. ISSUE is not my own ability, but people's mind just doesn't accept the fact that ELES still WORK if used right. Sure i need to use every single of my 8 skills which i have and need certain weapons to be affective PLUS i need to pay ALL the attention i have got. Necro, well, 4 would be fine for my SS build and mind You, it includes an ECHO skill, so..... shall i call it, SS ECHO nuker? I don't know which time that was when people were crazy for eles, i purchased this game not long enough, and i chose my character cause of the fact that i love magic.
And in last, FIRE is the most used element Not cause the player itself wants to have it, BUT the OTHER people who will mostly seek an elemental who can produce some DAMAGE. Hence, i will assume it is also a way of being forced by the community to use fire element?
I am not a bad Air spiker my self, but it is People that want me to be a FIRE element when it comes to PVE. I Hope that answers the "You Shouldn't Complaint" part you had in your post.
@Burakus Lightwing
My point is not very different than that of yours. Most basic eles i have met nowadays still hold firestorm, and wondering why groups just doesn't want them any more. i Do run them free to yak's bend and get them the proper skills which would hold them for a while for Basic ELE using.
Even then, the issue stays, their basic skill which they are being provided with is Firestorm and not Fireball. I guess ANET needs to fix that part?
@schutz
I do not see a point of Ele class existing if most of you had to switch to other professions and accepting the idea of "Ele is Useless".... Question is this, why can't eles be balanced any more like someone mentioned in post above... by giving them new skills like Fireball?
You can't make this game nerf an entire class where so many people like magic skills just cause of the Nerfing of Farming act? I do not see much of a nerf any way where Necro and Monk builds are still ruling UW with dual builds? Get my point? AOE affect in UW mean't not much of a difference even after the Nerf!
@knives
sure does, but not as quickly spamable as fire, i have tried earth build for a change along with water build too.. Just for Teh Kickz!
@Vilaptca
Question, is there any Other elite from any other profession which basically is doing the damage in Area ( all the adjacent enemies technically is an Area of enemies my friend, basic of maths ) and they all get shadow damage, which ignores armour? Why don't you bring in the effect of Armour for SS and then increase the Area of Spiteful Spirit to see if that works? Just a thought if Foes get Intellegent enough to notice their health dropping for some reason when they are close to whom they attack... hm? None of my elites can do a chaos like an SS does any way.
@ERMC
I will totally agree with you that eles are being given a bad impression due to the fact that Most people use eles for their Spells, and forget that there HAS to be a combo to apply proper damage to the target. Hence people just prefer an SS necro along with minnion master ( remember the example i gave above of me eating? ) i really can do what i have said above. My whole point is Quite the same, SS needs to be toned down a bit to bring eles back into scene, Not as powerful as pre nerf, but not as weak either as Post nerf.
I am just waiting for SS to be toned down.
IN last
All i gotta say is this. I am proud of me being an ele, and the groups i farm with, Do accept that eles are still worth being grouped with. The issue is the number of idiots out there who have no idea about the ele usage, be that Any class in elements. I now switch to the character which a group seeks when ever i want to do farming, and it works, i just have 3 characters to play with. My ele, necro, and war. Their secondary class doesn't matter cause i switch them back and forth all the time.
The point i intend to convey is the use of AOE effect with SS while AI just ignores the Dmg that SS is causing them. Don't go telling me that it is cause one is Elite and other skill is "just another". An AOE is an AOE, it is suppose to affect each and every skill with every profession.
Regardz
An Elementalist
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by saphir
It was an earth ele, just killing the aatxes at melee range like there was no tomorrow, self supporting and doing much better than the warriors. Barely took any damage and was giving those bulls a good smacking.
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Originally Posted by Xpl0iter
All i gotta say is this. I am proud of me being an ele, and the groups i farm with, Do accept that eles are still worth being grouped with. The issue is the number of idiots out there who have no idea about the ele usage, be that Any class in elements.
Clap clap clap. /signed. Me too.
Kcp
Would all the Ele's want the "good ol days" back where "us" necros just battery you constantly while you echo MS all day long?
Necros could always outdamage ele's......but we never had those pretty lil fireballs falling from the sky so the damage didnt matter in the eyes of most players. Even if they do nerf SS, the necro has a large arsenal of spikes that recharge faster, don't cause exhaustion, and ignore armor, and we DONT NEED BATTERIES. Now there will always be a higher demand for necros now that people have seen the light. Even if Anet returned the monsters back to their original state where they stand in aoe I would choose a Necro over an ele anyday. My first character was an ele.......... Capped all skills, then hit delete button. Exhaustion and skill recharge + cost =buzzkill I remember FoW runs with 3+ "nukers"....games took forever and all the ele's did was whine slow down, I need nrg, I need skill recharge. Now in a FoW run with 3+ necros you can easily and steadily hit forgemaster in no time and you never hear a necro whining about how he or she needs to rest or needs a battery or skill recharge. Tis a lovely thing IMO.
The Acolyte
I have an ele...was my first char. I still play him every now and then, mostly in UW groups (i have all six characters, and play my monk/necro builds for most other pve farming). Anyway, the ele class still kicks --- IMHO. Yes, the MM does more damage over time, but the ele still does the most single hitting damage over any other class. This is extremely useful. Also, while MMs may be able to do more damage, they can't effectively ward against damage, or cause knockdown.
In the end it comes down to the player. If the player is good, then the ele class will be worth it and just as effective as a necro. If the player sucks, well, no need to explain. It's frustating to see this debate continue to be honest. What I would like to see, as opposed to ele's complaining, are better players going out of their way to create better builds (and, learn how to manage agro with the agro circle). There are a LOT of combos and builds that have not been discovered with the ele. Go find them, or, if playing the class isn't making you happy, change it up and be a necro. I wouldn't recommend this because that means you're chasing a fad; what will happen when Anet modifies the MM class to balance? Those who don't think this will eventually happen are foolish...just look at the recent necro population boom as a sign of imbalance. But I gaurantee that those who have been playing a necro the whole time will continue to do so, even post adjustments, just as the good ele's still are playing post aoe patch. just my two cents  The Acolyte
Lord Mendes
well the AoE nerf got me to try an earth build. i found that obsid flame, earthquake + aftershock, crystal wave and wards are way better than the echo shower build. Both these builds have some energy management difficulties but thats what ele attune and glyph of energy are for.
The Acolyte
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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes
well the AoE nerf got me to try an earth build. i found that obsid flame, earthquake + aftershock, crystal wave and wards are way better than the echo shower build. Both these builds have some energy management difficulties but thats what ele attune and glyph of energy are for.
Agreed...it's extremely useful to have all of these abilities with plenty of energy to effectively/effeciently use as well: knockdown, hp degen, ward damage, slow, and blind. Added to high levels of one time damage, and the ele definitely has a place in the game.
The Acolyte
Glasswalker
My first and favorite character was a Necro with SS, so I'm not jumping on any bandwagon here.
And just FYI, the AoE nerf didn't just affect you Elementalists. What a joy it used to be to cast Mark of Pain on a group of 12 Griffons and have them continue to pound on me.
Xpl0iter
Hello every one, good to see people giving positive feed back on this thread.
@Kcp Eles, Specially my self do not seek good old days back but let me clarify this a bit more to clear the confusion of my thread. This thread is Not about whether an ELE sucks or not, BUT how people *think* that ele Sucks. The reason would be, as couple of people including my self mentioned above, the large number of newbie eles out there who have no idea about the skill usage and cry like a baby when they have no energy management. Hell i can stand between mobs and cast what i want to as long as my enchantments are on me. i can cast with literally no issue on Either MANA usage, OR the Recharge OR the Casting Time it self, i can spam literally with no delay, no mana issue, and spam one after another Which includes Rodgurt's Invocation and Metor Shower. Mind you, this is *After the Nerf* situation. I literally tell a necro not to battery me unless i ping, and yeh, usualy in entire mission i may need it once or twice, but not like an average ele who needs it every next minute, i am quite self sufficient, Mind you, i had to spend thousands of gold to become the type that i am. I still am one of those eles who are proud of being one. I join groups and till the time i am done with them, i am bound to get a couple of cheers for an ele class. they Work if you *know* their usage well enough. ELE class demands alot more skills now, and it always did! Being honest with you, your so called *super necro class* is being what an Ele class used to be.... that is, Used by every newbie who has no idea about necro attribute set. I do not think that the day is very far when all the farming areas will be clustered with necros, just like it was once with ele, and then some nerf will appear out of thin air just to add a little Spanks to Necro's Life with "Thrill". People are forgetting that *Echo SS* is not quite different than That Echo Metor Shower of an ele which eles were proud of pre nerf ( And i still am cause i know where to drop those bombs just when it is needed ). I love my skill set for all 3 attributes which i use with an Ele, Excluding Water that is. I can tank quite well with Earth ele who can make a Real tank feel ashamed. Armour of Earth and Kinetic armour are there just to make it happen along with Aura of Restoration to refill my Hp Bar with quick spam of stoning or a small spam skill like Flare. It still works bro! just no one there to appriciate it since people do not have time to believe an ele no more. i Still know that fow which you have mentioned above in your post. I go there with my ele, and i pack quite a few damaging skills before they even attempt to scatter... and by the time they actualy scatter, half of them are gone. Regardz to you my beloved necro friend. @The Acolyte i am bound to agree with your ideas Regardz to all An Elementalist Kcp
You got a rare ele then. Like you said alot of ele's are noobs, and I have to agree with that. You have to remember for quite some time though we didnt get to see the pretty numbers flying all about from some of our hexes. That was most of the problem in regards as to why necro's were overlooked for parties. Several updates later, people started to catch on that necros could deal massive damage( and im not just talking about SS), then the AoE nerf took place and literally 1000's jumped on the necro bandwagon. Ya IMO it is an embarassment seeing countless necros spamming ToA's "SS/SV/AE/BR necro looking for solo monk. I do agree.
I'll be the first to admit there are probably more necro noobs now then there is ele's. It's all part of the cycle, another nerf will come and there will be a new uber build, and the cycle will start all over again. And more then likely SS will be worthless or not as good. Then the majority of the nerfed Ele's and Necro's will all be singing the same tune, instead of evolving into better and smarter characters. ....i'm sure it is coming, just give it time
Volcoms Shadow
I agree, the nerf is coming, and i can't wait. My first character was a necro as well and at this time i am quite ashamed to play it. There are just too many bandwagoners that dontknow what they're doing. Whenever my guild hosts UW or FoW groups there are always nukers with firestorm/searing heat, and monks/eles with absolutely no energy management. People really dont want to think about anything in this game. If they can't go into an area and press 1,2,3,4 on their skillbars, killing everything in the area, then the class/build/whatever sucks. I also completely agree with the "people that play with bad mesmers/rangers then think mesmers/rangers suck" idea 100%.
Naxohs Seralna
I used to be a echo-nuking, meteor-spamming non-thinking fire ele, but then the AoE UPGRADE hit, and I realised that my no-brainer build didn't work anymore. I saw this as a GREAT opportunity to try something new: Air magic!
Air build wont work in SF, i have tried it before. it does pack quite a damage to *one* person, and not the group WHICH makes it less in demands.
Yes, this is what I thought when I first tried air magic in SF. But then I found out that the abilities of an aeromancer go FAR beyond damage dealing: An aeromancer can blind warriors and rangers, apply weakness to those damn powerful shadow warriors in FoW and knock down annoying foes trying to run away. I'm not going to mention how many times enervating charge has saved my posterior in FoW. Weakness is, in fact, pretty damn useful when that warrior comes pounding on your AL60-wearing toon.Quote: Oh, and there is MORE to this crazy guy utilizing something ELSE than fire magic: he actually has an EARTH magic skill on his skillbar! Whirlwind+aftershock packs quite a lot of damage to close-up foes. I'm sure the other elements are JUST as useful, but I can't be bothered to buy skills @ 1000g each just to try them out for kicks right now. In conclusion: Fire mages have to start using their brains, air mages do GREAT in high-level areas and STOP CALLING THE AoE UPDATE a NERF!
Darkpower Alchemist
I have read ALL the posts.They are either complaining,insulting to others,or down right hating from the sidelines,with the exceptions of a few who made good points of the reasoning for the initial AoE nerf.The fact of the matter is this game is a team sport.You do all remeber that,right? When you go into UW or FoW,the sign comes up that say,"This area was made for an 8 person team",and it suggests that you not enter with less than that amount of ppl.That being the case, you must realize that Anet NEVER meant for you to farm UW and FoW ALONE!!! 2 man teams are no better,but they allow it b/c it shows that ppl must cooperate in order to excel at the wall of systematic change.The Spellcaster population of the game shouldn't be at each others throats,but working together to achieve the common goal of all casters.RESPECT!
Tanks are respected for what they do,as they are the front man of the entire team.However, the power of the W/Mo makes most who play it arrogant and reckless.W/Es are underappreciated,but that is mostly b/c they are not played well.Either they tank totally or complain that they are not good with magic,so they are useless at it. Nonsense. Get a focus item and make due. Mesmers are underated in the sense of their total ability to perform,yet they are limited by imagination in the PvE world.Desired as a set typecasted group in PvP is beneath such an elite spellcaster.Use your brains,ppl. The necro has power beyond what is seen in his appearance.He only needs the time to show his true power,in order to come to the forefront of the spellcaster society.Your day in the sun has come,brother necro,but like all things,it will wan for another. Rangers are underappreciated as well,since they just don't tank like warriors.However,that is what makes this game great,you don't need to be a warrior to be a great combatant.They have now become an elitist group,since they are spurned by the non ranger classes.They only travel with OTHER rangers.Seems more like the real world than most imagine.Prejudices for things that one group does that the other can not,or will not do. Afraid to adapt and continue forward progression.Shunning those that can't do what you do...pathetic.Society ingame is a reflection of our real world society.Never think it isn't. The Elementalist,in all actuality,can be many things.I have an E/Mes,an E/W,and an E/N,and all I play to different strengths and have different weaknesses.The AoE situation was a tough pill to swallow,but you adapt,for it is what we are made to do.Earth/Water builds work well,as do Water/Air and Fire/Earth.Firestorm is the only spell,IMHO, that has suffered in the Ele arsenal to the point of being nearly totally useless.MS+ aftershock for my E/W works well,just as whirlwind+aftershock.E/Mes has a multitude of damage dealing spells at his/her disposal.It will usually come down to what the game programmers boasted this game would be based on...The individual player's skill!My Mo/E doesn't use B Aura to farm anymore.Now I use Whirlwind+Aftershock+ Crystal Wave.They run from Crystal wave,too,but the damage is a one shot situation,so it matters little. Rangers as casters feel sluggish to me,but my R/Mo is oh so awesome to play with.A smiting Ranger...how cool is that? Yet,the complainig and finger pointing must stop.We are all spellcasters.Monk,Necro,Mesmer,Elementalist...prim ary or secondary.Work together to gain the respect WE deserve.Don't squabble about a problem and who it should or shouldn't effect. Come up with a solution...
Xpl0iter
@Darkpower
Like my point, the build i use is quite affective in areas where i farm with fire and other combos from diff elements. The point i mentioned was "The necro has power beyond what is seen in his appearance.He only needs the time to show his true power,in order to come to the forefront of the spellcaster society.Your day in the sun has come,brother necro,but like all things,it will wan for another." People under rate us since we are considered AOE dmg. Even if we switch, we have people who wouldn't wanna accept us due to the fact that we are in less demand, Not cause of our abilities to play through nerf But, they are not able to accept that eles can be good in a team if the ele "knows" his character. I just await for them to realize that we are still worth it, cause us coming up with new builds which are effecitive doesn't really make them beleive us. That will go on for sometime any way. I am just waiting for when necro class goes down Regardz An Elementalist |
