This build is made expressly for the purpose of killing warriors. Gladiator's defence and deadly riposte are great ways to evade hits while dealing damage back to them, which I may remind you is not affected by armor. Also lightning reflexes adds evasion and increases attack speed. Apply poison and bleeding from deadly riposte are for health degen, another way to take away health from warriors effectively. This build is not very effective against other classes, or warriors that dont feel like attacking you, but those warriors are few and far between.
Ranger/Warrior
Tactical Tank, Ranger Style
Sword and Shield
Swordsmanship-12
Tactics-10
Expertiese-10 (8+1+1)
Wilderness Survival-3 (2+1)
Apply Poison
Seeking Blade*
Thrill of Victory*
Savage Slash*
Deadly Riposte
Gladiator's Defense {Elite}
Lightning Reflexes
Healing Signet
Sword- +Bleeding and +Armor/Health
Shield-Tactics, yeah.
The three attacks with *s after them can be switched out for other techniques, possibly to increase damage against non warriors, but I find them to be very effective.
Peer reviews?
R/W Warrior Killer
Kurow
dry
Wild blow for those with stances? Throw dirt for blind? and wouldn't whirling def greatly outlast light reflexes? the reason why I don't use reflexes is that it's impossible to maintain it :/
Inureface
Like you mentioned, if the wars don't attack you, you're in some serious trouble, because ripsotle or gladiators isn't going to take down that necro or monk. You won't be able to help your team much ,because 12 swordsmanship against a tank who isn't attacking you screws you out of 2 skills, one being elite and the damage against tanks with even 14 swords is minimal. I recommened being annoying so they go for you, like throw dirt as mentioned by dry, or some sort of slowdown like hamstring, then just run in their face and they'll probably attack you. I have axe ranger which is also anti warrior but can be anti anything except touch rangers/necros and anti-melee mesmers. I just hate the fact that you can't use at least up to a major rune in a non primary attribute line. Imagine being a barrage bot with 12 marks -_-.
BTW-keep 2 swords, one with an elemental hilt and the other for whatever, by using an elemental hilt you are boosting your damage by 20-25% agaisnt warriors (about 20 AL)
BTW-keep 2 swords, one with an elemental hilt and the other for whatever, by using an elemental hilt you are boosting your damage by 20-25% agaisnt warriors (about 20 AL)
Kurow
Those are all really good ideas actually, but i dont usually have that much trouble getting warriors to attack me, if i have apply poison up and im using savage slash. How about:
Apply Poison
Seeking Blade*
Hamstring*
Savage Slash*
Deadly Riposte
Gladiator's Defense {Elite}
Lightning Reflexes/Whirling Defence
Healing Signet
Where can i put the throw dirt? I think its a great idea, but im weary of giving up any evasion or attack techniques...
Apply Poison
Seeking Blade*
Hamstring*
Savage Slash*
Deadly Riposte
Gladiator's Defense {Elite}
Lightning Reflexes/Whirling Defence
Healing Signet
Where can i put the throw dirt? I think its a great idea, but im weary of giving up any evasion or attack techniques...
Kurow
Not to bump or anything, but I was just wondering if anyone has any critiques? They would bring me endless joy.
Arcador
For CA and even TA you can bring signet of cleansment to remove your own blind.
Savio
The second I see Glad Defense with my Warrior, I go wander off to some other target. You're going about it all wrong, as good Warriors will ignore you and bad Warriors don't take much to kill.
You should try using Traps and Pin Down to take down Warriors. Basically, if the Warriors can never catch up to you, you're not going to get hit. After that, look for ways to make your Ranger do damage with a bow or some other way, because there isn't much of a point being a Ranger if you're just going to use Warrior skills.
You should try using Traps and Pin Down to take down Warriors. Basically, if the Warriors can never catch up to you, you're not going to get hit. After that, look for ways to make your Ranger do damage with a bow or some other way, because there isn't much of a point being a Ranger if you're just going to use Warrior skills.
Eonwe
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Originally Posted by Kurow
This build is made expressly for the purpose of killing warriors.
OK. Stop there, and start over.
Ninjutsu Honor Code
If your making a anti warrior build thats great what if the warrior simply ignores you most moves become worthless, try some things that aggro them to have to attack you or simply die.
Kurow
If the warrior ignores you, then thats just 2 skills hes stopping, you still have poison and hamstring and such. Personally, it would be kinda hard for me to ignore some guy attacking me in such a way, dealing quite a bit of damage if left unchecked.
dry
I ignore them w/ my warrior all the time until all casters are down. IMO melee rangers just aimed at warriors is rather...inefficient. I mean, if you just take out riposte and replace glad w/ whirling defense, then skills points notwithstanding you have a utility ranger.
But if I were to make such a ranger, I'd go sever/gash, riposte/deadly riposte, glad def....and take out hamstring. Yes, 3 defensive offense skills are wastes on a normal char, but we're assuming that the warrior will attack you unconditionally and if he does they're great skills.
But if I were to make such a ranger, I'd go sever/gash, riposte/deadly riposte, glad def....and take out hamstring. Yes, 3 defensive offense skills are wastes on a normal char, but we're assuming that the warrior will attack you unconditionally and if he does they're great skills.
VGJustice
It's much better to go after the casters first. Rather than taking a bunch of defensive skills to counter a War beating on you (which a good War will only do when there isn't a better target to be had) it would be better to take along a snare and something to make a caster's life miserable, or at least more troubling.
Honestly, the Wars should be your LAST target, not your first.
Honestly, the Wars should be your LAST target, not your first.
4runner
My anti warrior ranger
15 marks/ 16 with the mask
10 expertise
11 widerness
1. hunters
2.crippling
3.apply poison
4.distracting
5.storm chaser
6.throw dirt
7.savage shot
8.healing
Basically it just irritates the hell out of em, Any good warrior will of course go after the softies, my job is to protect softies. Allow warrior to run in close, hit with crippling, cant run now, poison or hunters or both , wait for healing sig, distracting shot, repeat rinse repeat, nothing funnier than a warrior trying to catch me while hes crippled and degening much better approach to handling a warrior IMO, Rangers shouldnt melee anyway, they are far more superior at other things than Melee although they can do that quite effectively, just defeats there prupose IMO!!
Utter Fustration on the warriors part, Iknow Ihave a warrior 2 and its been done to me!! LOL
15 marks/ 16 with the mask
10 expertise
11 widerness
1. hunters
2.crippling
3.apply poison
4.distracting
5.storm chaser
6.throw dirt
7.savage shot
8.healing
Basically it just irritates the hell out of em, Any good warrior will of course go after the softies, my job is to protect softies. Allow warrior to run in close, hit with crippling, cant run now, poison or hunters or both , wait for healing sig, distracting shot, repeat rinse repeat, nothing funnier than a warrior trying to catch me while hes crippled and degening much better approach to handling a warrior IMO, Rangers shouldnt melee anyway, they are far more superior at other things than Melee although they can do that quite effectively, just defeats there prupose IMO!!
Utter Fustration on the warriors part, Iknow Ihave a warrior 2 and its been done to me!! LOL
Murder In China
Ranger thumpers are great.
tigernz
Mine's pretty similar to 4runner's actually, but I also have a RES SIG!
Pin down -> Virulence. Hunters shot once they start limping around and then they're at -10 degen & crippled. Interrupt their heal sig with Distracting Shot.
I usually go with something like:
Pin Down
Virulence {E}
Hunter's
Distracting
Throw Dirt / Savage Shot / Storm Chaser
Whirling Def
Troll Ungent
Res Sig
No idea why you'd want a warrior to even get close to you when they're so simple to take down from distance.
Pin down -> Virulence. Hunters shot once they start limping around and then they're at -10 degen & crippled. Interrupt their heal sig with Distracting Shot.
I usually go with something like:
Pin Down
Virulence {E}
Hunter's
Distracting
Throw Dirt / Savage Shot / Storm Chaser
Whirling Def
Troll Ungent
Res Sig
No idea why you'd want a warrior to even get close to you when they're so simple to take down from distance.
Kurow
Because when ever i have played as an actual bow ranger, ive had warriors all over my ass. It wasnt as easy as everyone makes it sound.
I figure why not just take the fight to them anyway, and not have to worry if there are two warriors on you. With this build, its quite rare that there is a warrior that can consistantly kill you. By having slower attack speed with the bow, you have less chances to inflict statuses, you have less armor, and you dont have the damage potential that a melee person does have. Theres also the psychological point, which still stands. A majority of the warriors that I have fought with my ranger, even when im not using this build, still attack me after only a couple seconds of me hounding them. I have only come accross 1 or 2 cases of a warrior persistantly not attacking me, and they still didnt escape the barbs that this build contains.
Y'all talk all this bow jazz, but who can really take down a warrior faster? Heck theres only 1 warrior skill i have to worry about, and hardly anyone uses it. Sure, people theoretically SHOULD use it, but they dont (this skill being wild blow).
I figure why not just take the fight to them anyway, and not have to worry if there are two warriors on you. With this build, its quite rare that there is a warrior that can consistantly kill you. By having slower attack speed with the bow, you have less chances to inflict statuses, you have less armor, and you dont have the damage potential that a melee person does have. Theres also the psychological point, which still stands. A majority of the warriors that I have fought with my ranger, even when im not using this build, still attack me after only a couple seconds of me hounding them. I have only come accross 1 or 2 cases of a warrior persistantly not attacking me, and they still didnt escape the barbs that this build contains.
Y'all talk all this bow jazz, but who can really take down a warrior faster? Heck theres only 1 warrior skill i have to worry about, and hardly anyone uses it. Sure, people theoretically SHOULD use it, but they dont (this skill being wild blow).
audioaxes
a build like that will get owned against a decent TA team where warriors arent going to attack you first and you dont have enough power to do what rangers and warriors are supposed to do: kill casters
Kurow
You're right, my biuld is not as good at killing casters as other pure warrior or even r/w builds are. I mean, why would anyone use a specialized build. It cant kill casters as good as warriors can. Casters cant kill people as fast as warriors can... jeez why is anyone anything specialized anymore? </sarcasm>
Hasnt anyone ever heard of specialized builds? Of course it doesnt kill casters as fast. Its made for killing warriors. Sure its not perfect. But what build is. It would help if you offered suggestions, instead of just criticism.
Also, rangers definately do have a place in melee, or else you wouldnt see them going that way all the time. The expertiese just makes them able to attack without worry of mana loss, which allows for faster use of skills than with adrenaline skills, save maybe cleave.
Hasnt anyone ever heard of specialized builds? Of course it doesnt kill casters as fast. Its made for killing warriors. Sure its not perfect. But what build is. It would help if you offered suggestions, instead of just criticism.
Also, rangers definately do have a place in melee, or else you wouldnt see them going that way all the time. The expertiese just makes them able to attack without worry of mana loss, which allows for faster use of skills than with adrenaline skills, save maybe cleave.
audioaxes
i guess i wasnt clear enough: your entire build is weak and needs to be changed
-get out of tactics and bring tigers fury
-drop the crappy gladiators defense, and bring a good elite
if you want to stay a ranger swordsmen try to focus on the sword energy skills to make it worth it like hamstring/100 blades/seeking/savage/pure but even then im pretty sure there are better melee builds
-get out of tactics and bring tigers fury
-drop the crappy gladiators defense, and bring a good elite
if you want to stay a ranger swordsmen try to focus on the sword energy skills to make it worth it like hamstring/100 blades/seeking/savage/pure but even then im pretty sure there are better melee builds
Kurow
Id like it if you presented some sort of evidence that these things are bad, and that i should replace them. Its funy, i kinda thought that ~25 to the enemy most everytime they attack you was pretty good, aside from the evasion i mean. Seems like a great skill to me.
I would appreciate it if you told me how things are better, and not just that they are.
I would appreciate it if you told me how things are better, and not just that they are.
Dmitri3
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Originally Posted by Kurow
Id like it if you presented some sort of evidence that these things are bad, and that i should replace them. Its funy, i kinda thought that ~25 to the enemy most everytime they attack you was pretty good, aside from the evasion i mean. Seems like a great skill to me.
I would appreciate it if you told me how things are better, and not just that they are. 25 damage is good? Uninstall plz...
Useless build, in any way.
Better? Any well managed build would be better. If you want to take out the warriors, go as a mesmer and/or necro. Blind on ranger is good, but isn't enough.
I would appreciate it if you told me how things are better, and not just that they are. 25 damage is good? Uninstall plz...
Useless build, in any way.
Better? Any well managed build would be better. If you want to take out the warriors, go as a mesmer and/or necro. Blind on ranger is good, but isn't enough.
BBoy_Manchild
Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
The second I see Glad Defense with my Warrior, I go wander off to some other target. You're going about it all wrong, as good Warriors will ignore you and bad Warriors don't take much to kill.
You should try using Traps and Pin Down to take down Warriors. Basically, if the Warriors can never catch up to you, you're not going to get hit. After that, look for ways to make your Ranger do damage with a bow or some other way, because there isn't much of a point being a Ranger if you're just going to use Warrior skills. hmmmm... i love when people use defensive stances (especially casters) making people do sit up with irresistable blow is fun. plus distortion is 1000x more intertaining, with me with a constant 11 second tigers fury and my pet call of haste thats alot of sit ups and burned energy, good times good times
You should try using Traps and Pin Down to take down Warriors. Basically, if the Warriors can never catch up to you, you're not going to get hit. After that, look for ways to make your Ranger do damage with a bow or some other way, because there isn't much of a point being a Ranger if you're just going to use Warrior skills. hmmmm... i love when people use defensive stances (especially casters) making people do sit up with irresistable blow is fun. plus distortion is 1000x more intertaining, with me with a constant 11 second tigers fury and my pet call of haste thats alot of sit ups and burned energy, good times good times
Hell Marauder
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmitri3
25 damage is good? Uninstall plz...
Useless build, in any way. Well, damage can definitely go higher than 25. OP should add these skills to boost damage: Severe artery and pure strike. With plenty of energy to spam Seeking Blade and Pure Strike (35~50 damage on 12 swordmanship, tested on minotaurs which have similar AL as warriors), plus Apply Poison and Sever Artery for nice degen (+14 dps), you are looking at a pretty good damage output, comparable to a sword warrior. But then again, not many warriors nowadays want to use swords in pvp.
The problem is, like many people have pointed out, it has very limited use in pvp, and degen can be nullified by monks or passed back to you by anyone with plaque touch. So find a way to bring a trap and take a few ranger snares in place of stances will make it a little more useful.
Useless build, in any way. Well, damage can definitely go higher than 25. OP should add these skills to boost damage: Severe artery and pure strike. With plenty of energy to spam Seeking Blade and Pure Strike (35~50 damage on 12 swordmanship, tested on minotaurs which have similar AL as warriors), plus Apply Poison and Sever Artery for nice degen (+14 dps), you are looking at a pretty good damage output, comparable to a sword warrior. But then again, not many warriors nowadays want to use swords in pvp.
The problem is, like many people have pointed out, it has very limited use in pvp, and degen can be nullified by monks or passed back to you by anyone with plaque touch. So find a way to bring a trap and take a few ranger snares in place of stances will make it a little more useful.
Kurow
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmitri3
25 damage is good? Uninstall plz...
Useless build, in any way.
Better? Any well managed build would be better. If you want to take out the warriors, go as a mesmer and/or necro. Blind on ranger is good, but isn't enough. Jesus i wish people like you would stop posting, you dont offer any advice, just say stupid shit like that. What is bad about 25 damage every time the enemy attacks? stacked on top of your attacks? From what i have seen, it kicks ass. Now im assuming you have never even used this skill. Prove me wrong?
OFFER SOME ADVICE OF HELP ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS MELEE R/W. Not tell me to make a different build. Im not looking for that. Im looking for advice on what would make this build better at doing what its supposed to do, kill warriors in melee. Now can someone please offer some real help?
And also, everything has a counter, duh, and every specialized build has limited use in pvp. Thats why its specialized.
Useless build, in any way.
Better? Any well managed build would be better. If you want to take out the warriors, go as a mesmer and/or necro. Blind on ranger is good, but isn't enough. Jesus i wish people like you would stop posting, you dont offer any advice, just say stupid shit like that. What is bad about 25 damage every time the enemy attacks? stacked on top of your attacks? From what i have seen, it kicks ass. Now im assuming you have never even used this skill. Prove me wrong?
OFFER SOME ADVICE OF HELP ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS MELEE R/W. Not tell me to make a different build. Im not looking for that. Im looking for advice on what would make this build better at doing what its supposed to do, kill warriors in melee. Now can someone please offer some real help?
And also, everything has a counter, duh, and every specialized build has limited use in pvp. Thats why its specialized.
Dmitri3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurow
Jesus i wish people like you would stop posting, you dont offer any advice, just say stupid shit like that. What is bad about 25 damage every time the enemy attacks? stacked on top of your attacks? From what i have seen, it kicks ass. Now im assuming you have never even used this skill. Prove me wrong?
OFFER SOME ADVICE OF HELP ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS MELEE R/W. Not tell me to make a different build. Im not looking for that. Im looking for advice on what would make this build better at doing what its supposed to do, kill warriors in melee. Now can someone please offer some real help?
And also, everything has a counter, duh, and every specialized build has limited use in pvp. Thats why its specialized. I wish people like you stop being *cut so I don't get banned* and insisting that their build rocks even though every1 tells them the contrary.
Improve this R/W? Go as damage dealing (thumper maybe?), or ViM conditions.
As for your specialisation... it simply sucks because it doesn't counter anything and does minimal damage by itself. And it can be countered... without any skill (or skills) at all.
Prove me the contrary.
OFFER SOME ADVICE OF HELP ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS MELEE R/W. Not tell me to make a different build. Im not looking for that. Im looking for advice on what would make this build better at doing what its supposed to do, kill warriors in melee. Now can someone please offer some real help?
And also, everything has a counter, duh, and every specialized build has limited use in pvp. Thats why its specialized. I wish people like you stop being *cut so I don't get banned* and insisting that their build rocks even though every1 tells them the contrary.
Improve this R/W? Go as damage dealing (thumper maybe?), or ViM conditions.
As for your specialisation... it simply sucks because it doesn't counter anything and does minimal damage by itself. And it can be countered... without any skill (or skills) at all.
Prove me the contrary.
Xiaxhou of Trinity
W0o00o0 feel sorry for you Kurow lol. Well your point on specialized builds maybe be taken, but not taken well. It's a nice build but just too specialized. Now you're 'annoying the hell' outta the warriors so they'll turn on you might be an alright technique, except a sufficient monk should be able to keep the warrior from worrying from your conditions. Well basically, the main point that you designed this was for a defensive anti-war (obviously lol). If I were you, and since you want a close ranged ranger, I would go with the Greater Conflag combo (Greater Conflag-Elite, and Drakescale armor) Then whirling defense and for healing you could stick with your sig or you could throw in troll (I like regen, but up to you) Now, that leaves you with four skill slots. I would go with savage slash, hamstring, seeking blade, and Galrath Slash. The first three are energy based, but I threw in GS, just in case you might have energy problems (since you are without druid's) It's an ok build IMO, but you might want to make something else from this, untested see.
Kurow
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmitri3
I wish people like you stop being *cut so I don't get banned* and insisting that their build rocks even though every1 tells them the contrary.
Improve this R/W? Go as damage dealing (thumper maybe?), or ViM conditions.
As for your specialisation... it simply sucks because it doesn't counter anything and does minimal damage by itself. And it can be countered... without any skill (or skills) at all.
Prove me the contrary. My proof is my experience, i have taken down multuple warriors at the same time with this build. I know it does what its supposed to do, and really, if you dont like the idea of my build, dont post about it, let it sink back. I know my build works, all you people say is that good warriors dont attack rangers, etc, etc. Ive used this build, and it has been very rare that warriors havent attacked me, and every time they did, they died without me losing more than 100 life.
Im not saying my guild rocks, im saying it does what it is supposed to do. Psh "doesnt counter anything", does "anti-warrior" mean anything to you? Have you even looked at the skills? Gladiators defence? Deadly riposte? Hello? Have any of you tried using it yet? Please, tell me if you do, and how it works. You act as if you are an expert at it, yet i doubt you have even tried it.
Please, once you try using it, and attacking warriors, tell me how it works. I take the advice that is useful, not the advice that is "change to dps omgomgomg".
Improve this R/W? Go as damage dealing (thumper maybe?), or ViM conditions.
As for your specialisation... it simply sucks because it doesn't counter anything and does minimal damage by itself. And it can be countered... without any skill (or skills) at all.
Prove me the contrary. My proof is my experience, i have taken down multuple warriors at the same time with this build. I know it does what its supposed to do, and really, if you dont like the idea of my build, dont post about it, let it sink back. I know my build works, all you people say is that good warriors dont attack rangers, etc, etc. Ive used this build, and it has been very rare that warriors havent attacked me, and every time they did, they died without me losing more than 100 life.
Im not saying my guild rocks, im saying it does what it is supposed to do. Psh "doesnt counter anything", does "anti-warrior" mean anything to you? Have you even looked at the skills? Gladiators defence? Deadly riposte? Hello? Have any of you tried using it yet? Please, tell me if you do, and how it works. You act as if you are an expert at it, yet i doubt you have even tried it.
Please, once you try using it, and attacking warriors, tell me how it works. I take the advice that is useful, not the advice that is "change to dps omgomgomg".
Druids Arrow
I like it. It seems a very well thought out build, I tried it and it works very well against warriors, however, it does focus on you being attacked, and Rangers are often the last to be attacked. But Apply Poison does get their attention 
Edit - As soon as I used Gladiator's Defence and Deadly Riposte, I didn't see any warriors stop attacking, so they effectively killed themselves.
Edit - As soon as I used Gladiator's Defence and Deadly Riposte, I didn't see any warriors stop attacking, so they effectively killed themselves.
Xiaxhou of Trinity
Well then I guess no question about it and your build works Kurow. As for me, I just like dealing dmg in a very direct way.
Dmitri3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Druids Arrow
Edit - As soon as I used Gladiator's Defence and Deadly Riposte, I didn't see any warriors stop attacking, so they effectively killed themselves.
Let me guess... were they all w/mos with mendings?
______
Kurow, and yes, I tested these skills as well... doesn't do what it is supposed to do against smart opponent. And if you have a good team - dropping dumb opponents isn't a problem.
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Kurow, and yes, I tested these skills as well... doesn't do what it is supposed to do against smart opponent. And if you have a good team - dropping dumb opponents isn't a problem.
Ninjutsu Honor Code
I think your build will work out great while farming griffons aswell, you just found your way as a melee ranger others might disagree with you because its lacking in their point of view (wich could be true), but its not the build that fights there, its your resamblance so I think the one wich tought up the build (You), will always be better while using it instead of others. Its good to specialize in those situations. You might consider using riposte aswell since it has some great damage dealing and can be a life saver if needed just a tip 
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ghostlyranger
[QUOTE=Dmitri3]Let me guess... were they all w/mos with mendings?
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haha, and they must in the random 4 arena.
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haha, and they must in the random 4 arena.
Druids Arrow
Dmitri3 - Seriously though how did you guess?
Ninjutsu - I have to admit when I think of a Ranger I think of the bow hence the Range in Ranger. However, as Kurow has proven melee Ranger's can be just as effective, if not more adaptable depending on the situation at the time.
Ninjutsu - I have to admit when I think of a Ranger I think of the bow hence the Range in Ranger. However, as Kurow has proven melee Ranger's can be just as effective, if not more adaptable depending on the situation at the time.
Xiaxhou of Trinity
Yes Kurow has proven this. His build works great in protecting casters and assasinating warriors (or even opposing casters). Good job Kurow!