Thoght maybe overheating is the problem but I dunno, what doyou think:
So, I'm playing Guild Wars and after about 3 hours of play (and as little as two) I start seeing a strange bunch of artifacts and blindingly white "holes" in the scenery. Buildings and trees will appear and hover in locations where they don't belong, hair and even heads disappear and eventually I get an orange and yellow screen with my HUD still visable for a while...I tried taking screenies of the more bizarre stuff (on my other machine or I'd post it now)...When I take a screenie, the earlier issues will temporarily clear up (often with no screen shot of the problem...artifacts are not visible)...After a few minutes, it crashes to 4-bit color until I close the game, assuming the machine doesn't lock up all together. When I reboot, the problem is gone...usually for a few hours. I assume I'm overheating the card (which already has a huge heatsink/fan and 4 case fans). Any other ideas or solutions would be greatly appreciated as it really gets annoying when you're approching Lion's Gate and suddenly go blind!
Stats:
MSI 6600GT with updated drivers and BIOS
MSI KT6 Delta Mobo with updated drivers and BIOS
AMD 3200+
2X Seagate 80GB SATA harddrives in RAID 0
1Gb PC3200 RAM
Cable Connection
Running Windows XP w/SP2
some really pretty blue LEDs in the fans and case...they make it look faster
6600 GT overheating?
TwinRaven
Pharoke
Have you tried updating your drivers? Also, what settings are you using in the game. I have a Chaintech 6600GT and have not suffered any problems.
Twilight Doll
What temperature is your card running @?
Rizzen Khalazar
Yes, what temp is your card at? I would be shocked that its your card as the 6600's run low temp wise. Unless its on its last legs, or defective.
Principa Discordia
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Originally Posted by TwinRaven
Thoght maybe overheating is the problem but I dunno, what doyou think
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1.) If your card is the AGP version, do you have a lead from your PSU (power supply unit) running to the molex connector? Not connecting a lead will cause the cooling system not to function and will cause it to generally strain without enough power.
2.) What is the wattage of your PSU? In my experience you need a PSU rated at 300w-350w minimum to run a 6600GT effectively.
3.) Have you overclocked your graphics card? While it's possible to overclock the 6600GT from 500/900mHz to 665/1250mHz, it is definitely not reccommended with the stock cooler.
4.) Which drivers are you currently using? I can tell you without a doubt that the best drivers for the AGP 6600GT are the official 71.24 forceware drivers. There have never been any problems with this card and these drivers that I'm aware of.
Any of these things could be causing artifacts, some will produce extra heat but some might not produce a noticeable increase. So it's best to check them all.
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Originally Posted by TwinRaven
some really pretty blue LEDs in the fans and case...they make it look faster
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I hope that anything here helps find a solution, if I think of anything else I'll edit this post.
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Originally Posted by Rizzen Khalazar
I would be shocked that its your card as the 6600's run low temp wise.
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Originally Posted by Pharoke
I have a Chaintech 6600GT and have not suffered any problems.
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Serafita Kayin
Chaintech 6600GT here too.
It si t3h aewsoem.
It si t3h aewsoem.
Loviatar
Leadtek 6600GT here runs very cool
also i dont know if it is only Leadtek cards but one time i forgot the extra power lead and got a warning message that the card was running in low power mode and to fix it
if it runs for 3 hours of guild wars the cooling is not being disabled as 3 hours of no cooling would fry it 2 .9 hours before he got that far
the artifacts sound like the card is stressing out
i would contact customer support (card not GW) and get a complaint officially on record so if anything happens later on you have proof something was going on
also they might have a fix for you
also i dont know if it is only Leadtek cards but one time i forgot the extra power lead and got a warning message that the card was running in low power mode and to fix it
if it runs for 3 hours of guild wars the cooling is not being disabled as 3 hours of no cooling would fry it 2 .9 hours before he got that far
the artifacts sound like the card is stressing out
i would contact customer support (card not GW) and get a complaint officially on record so if anything happens later on you have proof something was going on
also they might have a fix for you
EnDinG
Leadtek here. =P 17 da r0ck in ma r011.
Krystal Tears
eVGA Geforce 6800 Ultra.. like ice cream, yum
decog
If you are familiar enough with your cards anatomy, check the HSF, make sure it's seated properly, and I ALWAYS change my coolant paste. Sometimes they ship out with crappy foam tape stuff. (my 5700u did) Granted I have a much less expensive card, but i had very similar issues until i fixed this. (also switched to copper cooler) which you should NOT have to do at all.
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Principa Discordia
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also i dont know if it is only Leadtek cards but one time i forgot the extra power lead and got a warning message that the card was running in low power mode and to fix it
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Costed him £150. 
StarFreeze
I have been having the same problem, well more like everything becomes white and everything is slow. I now get it every few hours ever since the last guildwars patch came out.
Drivers updated
Case cool
Video card cool
6600 GT here too.
you also dont have to quit completely to fix it, just hit the windows key to minimize it and then maximize it and everything works fine for several more hours
Drivers updated
Case cool
Video card cool
6600 GT here too.
you also dont have to quit completely to fix it, just hit the windows key to minimize it and then maximize it and everything works fine for several more hours
EnDinG
I have a feeling it is the card somehow. I notice a lag in performance after playing for a while, and like what StarFreeze said, a quick minimize and it runs smoothly again.
Not sure why this is happening, I'll have to check the card one day and see how its acting up.
Wondering if there is some kind of graphic memory leak since the last patch and the refresh of the game might clean the cashe out...?
Not sure why this is happening, I'll have to check the card one day and see how its acting up.
Wondering if there is some kind of graphic memory leak since the last patch and the refresh of the game might clean the cashe out...?
Beqxter
you're not the only one having this problem, and I don't think it's overheating. At least my card (Leadtek 6600gt) never tops 70, which doesn't seem like crash territory to me. Check this thread for others in the same boat: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...5&page=2&pp=25
Apparently GW support is trying to track it down, but I haven't spoken to them personally about it, other than to submit a support ticket and my DirectX diag specs. I have no idea whether the problem is ArenaNet's or nVidia's, I just wish someone would fix it.
Apparently GW support is trying to track it down, but I haven't spoken to them personally about it, other than to submit a support ticket and my DirectX diag specs. I have no idea whether the problem is ArenaNet's or nVidia's, I just wish someone would fix it.
StarFreeze
doubt it is overheating, card doesn't even top 50, its a nice cool place to where the computer is
so i'm guessing something did happen in one of the patches, more than likely will stop happening after another few patches and we will forget this entire thing UNTIL another patch comes out in a year causing the same issue
so i'm guessing something did happen in one of the patches, more than likely will stop happening after another few patches and we will forget this entire thing UNTIL another patch comes out in a year causing the same issue
Serafita Kayin
Decog, you're not playin on the cad machine?
Pharoke
Hey Serafita, did you overclock you Chaintech? I ask because I achieved a fairly high overclock on mine, but a friend of mine couldn't get his to overclock at all.
Serafita Kayin
610/1350 I think was tops, but chipset went ape**** on me and I couldn't screen it.
Gonna be adding a chipset block soon...
Gonna be adding a chipset block soon...
Pharoke
I think mine is at 575/1200 right now. I changed out the crappy paste on the heatsink and added thermal tape to the mem so it would contact the heatsink also. Gonna be changing everything out soon for water cooling though....then I should be able to get to 300+ frontside bus.
PhineasToke
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I think mine is at 575/1200 right now. I changed out the crappy paste on the heatsink and added thermal tape to the mem so it would contact the heatsink also. Gonna be changing everything out soon for water cooling though....then I should be able to get to 300+ frontside bus.
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More never means better, especially at the sacrifice of reliability. If I read you correctly, you removed the "crappy paste" for tape or connected the memory to the fan heatsink?
Memory specific heatsinks for video cards are sold on line and even at Comp USA. And unless you changed out the paste for real silver oxide, I don't think you accomplished anything. Increasing air circulation in the case, even buying a nibbler and adding a fan to the case itself is much safer than handling your components without a static strap (I hope you use one).
Regarding water cooling, I don't know what cpu you have, but it is always safer in the long run to upgrade your cpu rather than overclock it and stick an overpriced radiator in your system.
The sum is ALWAYS equal to the whole. If GW is playing without incident, why fix it if it ain't broke?
Serafita Kayin
Man, I guess you either took the A+ or blew something up once.
I have processors that have been running at 1 GHz+ OCs for more than a YEAR, and I use them to serve files. Critical ones, too. Overclocking if done correctly will not hurt anything. Those who kill components either bought weak components or asked for too much too fast, or just plain too much.
My 3000+ is 300 MHz faster than an FX55, which ought to make up for the lower cache. With proper chipset cooling it'll break 3 GHz. I've done similar things to a slew of Athlon XPs and P4s. The only time I ever hurt something was one when a pump was accidentally unplugged and a set of DFI boards when the Socket As had a severe cold boot issue. Overclocking wise I've never damaged anything. I'd check myself before making inflammatory and uneducated statements such as those.
And for the love of cheese, I've never killed ANYTHING due to static, and I've tried real hard. Assembling computers on carpet, shuffling as I did so, to see if it was as easy as they said, and never done it.
Pharoke, Ceramique is often the best bet for video card GPUs cause it's nonconductive, so you don't have to worry bout bridging resistors. I'm probably gonna thermal epoxy my ramsinks, and I'm working on case airflow right now so I can push further... When you get your water together, IM me and I'll help you tune her up PAST 300.
Too much is never enough.
I have processors that have been running at 1 GHz+ OCs for more than a YEAR, and I use them to serve files. Critical ones, too. Overclocking if done correctly will not hurt anything. Those who kill components either bought weak components or asked for too much too fast, or just plain too much.
My 3000+ is 300 MHz faster than an FX55, which ought to make up for the lower cache. With proper chipset cooling it'll break 3 GHz. I've done similar things to a slew of Athlon XPs and P4s. The only time I ever hurt something was one when a pump was accidentally unplugged and a set of DFI boards when the Socket As had a severe cold boot issue. Overclocking wise I've never damaged anything. I'd check myself before making inflammatory and uneducated statements such as those.
And for the love of cheese, I've never killed ANYTHING due to static, and I've tried real hard. Assembling computers on carpet, shuffling as I did so, to see if it was as easy as they said, and never done it.
Pharoke, Ceramique is often the best bet for video card GPUs cause it's nonconductive, so you don't have to worry bout bridging resistors. I'm probably gonna thermal epoxy my ramsinks, and I'm working on case airflow right now so I can push further... When you get your water together, IM me and I'll help you tune her up PAST 300.
Too much is never enough.
decog
If you are referring to the Frag Wraith..not yet, i'm not too cozy with the MOBO i got from DW. So the FW must wait. Stack is a new initiative and it's a smaller platform..nice rig, real stable, just not screaming fast.
And for those who don't know, Kayin knows what the crap he's talking about...as far as i know NO ONE pushes a cpu or a gpu like he does.
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And for those who don't know, Kayin knows what the crap he's talking about...as far as i know NO ONE pushes a cpu or a gpu like he does.
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Serafita Kayin
did I ever show ya mine?
Cleaned it up from this last night when I dropped in a UV X-Connect. Chipset block is fully modded and awaiting hardware to go in...
Cleaned it up from this last night when I dropped in a UV X-Connect. Chipset block is fully modded and awaiting hardware to go in...
PhineasToke
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Man, I guess you either took the A+ or blew something up once.
I have processors that have been running at 1 GHz+ OCs for more than a YEAR, and I use them to serve files. Critical ones, too. Overclocking if done correctly will not hurt anything. Those who kill components either bought weak components or asked for too much too fast, or just plain too much. My 3000+ is 300 MHz faster than an FX55, which ought to make up for the lower cache. With proper chipset cooling it'll break 3 GHz. I've done similar things to a slew of Athlon XPs and P4s. The only time I ever hurt something was one when a pump was accidentally unplugged and a set of DFI boards when the Socket As had a severe cold boot issue. Overclocking wise I've never damaged anything. I'd check myself before making inflammatory and uneducated statements such as those. And for the love of cheese, I've never killed ANYTHING due to static, and I've tried real hard. Assembling computers on carpet, shuffling as I did so, to see if it was as easy as they said, and never done it. Pharoke, Ceramique is often the best bet for video card GPUs cause it's nonconductive, so you don't have to worry bout bridging resistors. I'm probably gonna thermal epoxy my ramsinks, and I'm working on case airflow right now so I can push further... When you get your water together, IM me and I'll help you tune her up PAST 300. Too much is never enough. |
A++
, and PC's are so cheap now my time is more valuable than tweaking one is worth. I haven't found a game yet that has overstressed any of my systems, and even the new Alienware I am considering is overkill in itself. One last point, if you think I was "inflamatory" so be it. Sometimes opinions aren't always the same shade of toast one would like.
Pharoke
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More never means better, especially at the sacrifice of reliability. If I read you correctly, you removed the "crappy paste" for tape or connected the memory to the fan heatsink?
Memory specific heatsinks for video cards are sold on line and even at Comp USA. And unless you changed out the paste for real silver oxide, I don't think you accomplished anything. Increasing air circulation in the case, even buying a nibbler and adding a fan to the case itself is much safer than handling your components without a static strap (I hope you use one). Regarding water cooling, I don't know what cpu you have, but it is always safer in the long run to upgrade your cpu rather than overclock it and stick an overpriced radiator in your system. The sum is ALWAYS equal to the whole. If GW is playing without incident, why fix it if it ain't broke? |
2) I am currently running 6 case fans, Gigabyte 3D rocket pro CPU cooler and the Ultra X-connect powersupply with 2 fans in it.
3) I currently hold my A+ Cert., MCSE, and many other certs. Have a dedicated workbench in my garage with full anti-static setup, but half the time I do the work on my floor. I also managed a local computer store for a number of years and only saw the effects of static electricity about 3 times.
4) My other system is an Opteron with complete Danger Den water cooling setup and it overclocks quite nicely. If you have read any of my other posts you would know that I have an AMD 64bit 3000+, which if you have done any reading all the A64's are the same chip with limiters flashed to them. There is a nice little program on the net tha allows you to change these settings and give your processor new life. Also, the other reason for water cooling is the quietness of it all. I like to have a silent pc not one that sounds like a jet engine taking off.
Hey Kayin, thanks a lot. I have already started to price and assemble. Just need to save the pennies for the 2gigs of Corsair memory I am planning on getting. Might also go with a new case...kinda tired of staring at the old one. Thinking out the new Lian Li server case with BTX support.
PhineasToke
Well done, I am pleased you enjoy tweaking your systems. Possibly I am jaded, but these boxes are appliances to me now, and a plesant way to make a living.
Regarding magazine reviews, I don't bother any longer. Supporting the manufacturers every time they come out with a new, improved, better, super version of last year's technology isn't my idea of money well spent. A short time ago a friend in the advertising industry I had run into stated nothing has changed. The more page space you buy, the more favorable your reviews will be. The gaming world is a perfect example. How many of us have boxes full of dusty pc/video games that were rated 80 or higher, only to be disappointed after we spent our money?
Regarding magazine reviews, I don't bother any longer. Supporting the manufacturers every time they come out with a new, improved, better, super version of last year's technology isn't my idea of money well spent. A short time ago a friend in the advertising industry I had run into stated nothing has changed. The more page space you buy, the more favorable your reviews will be. The gaming world is a perfect example. How many of us have boxes full of dusty pc/video games that were rated 80 or higher, only to be disappointed after we spent our money?
Serafita Kayin
Decent perspective to have.
I personally just do it cause I enjoy it. No better reason, but for a hobby, there's really no more needed...
I personally just do it cause I enjoy it. No better reason, but for a hobby, there's really no more needed...
Pharoke
Hey Phineas, I was actually talking about real reviews. Like from Hardocp.com, Viperlair.com, Gideontech.com, or Guru3d.com. They are like Kayin and me, we do for a hobby cause we enjoy it. I love being able to squeeze that 1 extra Mhz from my CPU or GPU, or I tweak my bios to get that milisecond faster startup. I also do this for a job with the state, but I don't tweak their systems. I design and support network infrastructure and security. I guess I have what you call a "True Love" of pc's. I work with them all day and can't wait to get home and play with mine. I am also attending college to learn more about them. Mostly software related like Novell Netware. I get up every morning and hit 3-6 websites to see the new reiviews and benchmarks cause I want to, but I can also see things from your point of view. Quite a few people I work with don't even own computers cause they are sick and tired of looking at them after 8+ hours working on them.
PhineasToke
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Hey Phineas, I was actually talking about real reviews. Like from Hardocp.com, Viperlair.com, Gideontech.com, or Guru3d.com. They are like Kayin and me, we do for a hobby cause we enjoy it. I love being able to squeeze that 1 extra Mhz from my CPU or GPU, or I tweak my bios to get that milisecond faster startup. I also do this for a job with the state, but I don't tweak their systems. I design and support network infrastructure and security. I guess I have what you call a "True Love" of pc's. I work with them all day and can't wait to get home and play with mine. I am also attending college to learn more about them. Mostly software related like Novell Netware. I get up every morning and hit 3-6 websites to see the new reiviews and benchmarks cause I want to, but I can also see things from your point of view. Quite a few people I work with don't even own computers cause they are sick and tired of looking at them after 8+ hours working on them.
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My first real system was an IBM PS1, 4MB HD, 512KB ram. In the early 90's, when I really caught the bug, I remember buying my first "portable", a dual-floppy Toshiba that had the operating system on the floppy, B&W LCD, and a HD I don't remember for $2400. I took it on a plane and was a star, I tell ya. Magic in a box. The first system I bought for my daughter was a HP 486SX in 1994, which eventually became a P90 overdrive with a wopping 64 MB ram, 4MB Diamond video card and an 800MB HD. I threw it away last year because the bios clock finally went bad.
Just like my Musclecar I am currently hoping to remember my youth in, today, computers are the same as the model cars and airplanes of my past. I work on them everyday, and most nights in my shop at home. I only open mine up when something fails, just like the cars we drive today (except the Imports, which are the Musclecars of this era).
I remember once trying to tweak every Hz out of a P200. It actually overclocked to 262 if I remember, but then, after all of my efforts, Intel released the 266PII a couple of months later, and I saw the handwriting on the wall.
I fully understand the satisfaction you get from your efforts, and frankly, I am a bit jealous, but I know tomorrow I'll get a call from one of my clients who are paralized because one of their systems froze up, and they forgot the golden rule of computers;
When in doubt, reboot.
It still upsets me that we are the minority, and most folks don't understand the difference between a toster and a PC. They still think you can bang them and fix them.
I get $95 an hour because they are so forgetful.
That makes me happy.
Beqxter
the mantra of anyone in systems/tech support: "Did you try restarting it?"
Pharoke
I thought the whole reboot thing was "The Microsoft Magic Fix!!!" So, did we ever fix the overheating issue or just go back and forth with one another?
Principa Discordia
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I thought the whole reboot thing was "The Microsoft Magic Fix!!!" So, did we ever fix the overheating issue or just go back and forth with one another?
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PhineasToke
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I thought the whole reboot thing was "The Microsoft Magic Fix!!!" So, did we ever fix the overheating issue or just go back and forth with one another?
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Darn, now I'm going to go buy one just to test it out for myself. I have a nice micro case with an Antec400 I can try it in.
Lunarbunny
"Is there a little picture with the words 'Outlook Express' under it, or is there one that has the words 'Netscape Communicator' under it?......Big black nothing? Ok, ok, that's entirely my fault. What I want you to do now is turn the computer on."
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"Ok, so is it booted up?......NO, I don't want you to kick it!"
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"Ok, so is it booted up?......NO, I don't want you to kick it!"
Kitar
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Thoght maybe overheating is the problem but I dunno, what doyou think:
So, I'm playing Guild Wars and after about 3 hours of play (and as little as two) I start seeing a strange bunch of artifacts and blindingly white "holes" in the scenery. Buildings and trees will appear and hover in locations where they don't belong, hair and even heads disappear and eventually I get an orange and yellow screen with my HUD still visable for a while...I tried taking screenies of the more bizarre stuff (on my other machine or I'd post it now)...When I take a screenie, the earlier issues will temporarily clear up (often with no screen shot of the problem...artifacts are not visible)...After a few minutes, it crashes to 4-bit color until I close the game, assuming the machine doesn't lock up all together. When I reboot, the problem is gone...usually for a few hours. I assume I'm overheating the card (which already has a huge heatsink/fan and 4 case fans). Any other ideas or solutions would be greatly appreciated as it really gets annoying when you're approching Lion's Gate and suddenly go blind! Stats: MSI 6600GT with updated drivers and BIOS MSI KT6 Delta Mobo with updated drivers and BIOS AMD 3200+ 2X Seagate 80GB SATA harddrives in RAID 0 1Gb PC3200 RAM Cable Connection Running Windows XP w/SP2 some really pretty blue LEDs in the fans and case...they make it look faster |
LED's don't drain much power at all.
Does this happen with other games? If so it still may not be the card overheating.
Have you tryed older drivers?
I would say try running prime95 to rule out other parts of the system first. (it wll need to run for hours and hours)
Beqxter
I'm curious if it's happened to anybody since last night's update. anyone? not me, but I only played it for 2-3 hours last night.
PhineasToke
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"Is there a little picture with the words 'Outlook Express' under it, or is there one that has the words 'Netscape Communicator' under it?......Big black nothing? Ok, ok, that's entirely my fault. What I want you to do now is turn the computer on."
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Pharoke
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Oh, you didn't tell me you spilled Coke on the keyboard. What smoke are you talking about? No, hitting the monitor will not make it better. Ok, do you know how to even turn the power off? It is off. It went off when you spilled the Coke on it. That's when you noticed smoke. Ok, we need to get another system out of the cage, can you get an approval from your boss? He says he isn't giving you any more computers? Oh, you are leaving at 5 for good? Bye.
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ROFL. That is great. I feel like I have had those days with some people!!!!!! Has anyone checked thier bios settings and compared them to see what might be different? Also, TwinRaven are the case fans in a push pull configuration?
Childeric Kaldor
Here you can see a post full of people getting same issue that the first poster get : http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=7795
Attelim
The game causes your computer to rise about 1 degree celsius every min your playing do the math, 100 mins = over 100 degree celsuis which is the boiling point. Your computer shuts down before that happens to protect itself.
How to fix the problem? Well you could do what i did lastnight and open up the CPU and blast a fan twords it. Guess what? I played for a few hours with no crash, infact i left the game the normal way for the first time ever!
How to fix the problem? Well you could do what i did lastnight and open up the CPU and blast a fan twords it. Guess what? I played for a few hours with no crash, infact i left the game the normal way for the first time ever!