PC on 2 eternal shields

just wondering if i can get a price from someone for these shields:

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Item - Gold Eternal Sheild (1)
Item Stats:
- 16 armour(req.8 strength)
- damage -3(chance 10%)
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Item - Gold Eternal Sheild (2)
Item Stats:
- 16 armour(req.12 strength)
- health +21(while in stance)
- damage -3(while hexed)
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since no1's posted i'll take a guess 5-10k for the first one and probably a little less for the second one but i really dont like the eternal skin so no taking that into account. feel free to flame me if im wrong (we all have to learn someday :P)

#1 20k
#2 10k

get a 2nd opinion everyone else seems to value these higher then i do lol cant stand the damn things

thanks i just needed to know if i was trying for too much or missing an a good chance for a bit of money lucky i checked