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The Son Of Morgoth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Maryland

The Servants Of Morgoth

N/

28 Dec 2005 at 07:22 - 1

Now to start this thread ill say i do not want this thread to be something about how people hate/love farming.

I dont kno about u guys but after the wintersday update many weird things have been going on in the uw when i dual with necros. For one the ecto drop rate is decreased and i have a feeling that those like 5+ candy cane shards i get per uw run are replacing some of my ecto drops.

Also before the coldfires might attack the smites once in a while. Now i have experienced a couple of times 2 groups of smites actually attackin each other and killing each other.......so i cant get their phat loot

Also the nightmare spawns seem to have drasticaly increased.....it seems that nightmares spawn now at every possible spawn point..

just to name a few of the thigns that come to mind when i think of what is goign on in the uw nowadays..

anyone else experiencing problems such as me or am i and my necro partner the unluckiest people in the world

X Bound X

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

#M§#

W/

28 Dec 2005 at 07:38 - 2

Candy cane shards replacing ecto: Possible but unlikely, as me and my partner have had a group of 3 bladeds drop both ecto and cc shards.

Coldfires eating smites: When you enter the Frozen Wastes and head down the first hill, those Coldfires have always eaten the smites there.Least more often then not anyway.

Dying Nightmare increase: Again doubtful.Standard Nightmare spawn rate, is 4-7 in the first chamber, 2-4 in the chamber with the terror webs, and 1-3 in the Frozen Wastes.

So unless you have more specific information, I'd say you guys just have interesting luck. :/

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

28 Dec 2005 at 09:09 - 3

SMITES vs SMITES

tlr1293

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Louisville, KY

[RoK] Riddle of Kings

R/Mo

28 Dec 2005 at 18:15 - 4

UW nerf was awhile back. Used to be you could get a Gold per run and many purples. I have done many a trapping run as far as clearing out the Smites and ColdFires, to not only get 0 Ecto's by anyone, but 0 drops of color (blue/purple/gold) either. I would pay the 1k fee andcome out, after 2 hours, with maybe - maybe, that 1k made back.

Kais Unduli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Room V

28 Dec 2005 at 18:50 - 5

My last few trapping runs have dropped ectos (none for me), but I've never seen any smite on smite action. That's hot.

Shen Xi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

London, UK

Laziness Appreciation Society [LaZy]

Mo/

28 Dec 2005 at 19:32 - 6

that's been happening for a long while now, smites killing each other, and coldfires attacking amites. annoying lil sob's...

Rc The Mad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

[RFE] Refuge From Exile

Mo/W

28 Dec 2005 at 20:02 - 7

I've been doing UW for a long while now and know most of the 'regular' things that go on in a run.

I'd say that I don't think the nightmare spawns have increased at all since the christmas update. It seems pretty normal to me. I have noticed a slight drop in ectos though. Usually only one drops per run now possibly two, when I used to get more like 2-3 per run. Also I have noticed that smites kill eachother sometimes now. That's different, and annoying. That's probably just a bug though. I doubt that was purposely intended.

After the Halloween update Anet did some undocumented UW nerfs. They increased the smites energy a lot making necros have to echo SV in order to run out their energy. They also added a little change where sometimes in the first chamber if a nightmare pops up out in the open, it automatically aggros a single Aatxe with it. I'm sure people who do regular runs have noticed both of those.

Ado

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Den Haag

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Mo/Me

28 Dec 2005 at 20:23 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rc The Mad

After the Halloween update Anet did some undocumented UW nerfs. They increased the smites energy a lot making necros have to echo SV in order to run out their energy. They also added a little change where sometimes in the first chamber if a nightmare pops up out in the open, it automatically aggros a single Aatxe with it. I'm sure people who do regular runs have noticed both of those.

I've experienced that too. A nightmare spawned and the aatxe was well out of my aggroradius. He still came at me however. Needless to say that was my shortest UW run ever.

Frost_

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

28 Dec 2005 at 20:46 - 9

anet does a lot of stuff they dont tell you about

i personally think its bs, they should at least tell us what their changing in the game

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

28 Dec 2005 at 20:52 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frost_

anet does a lot of stuff they dont tell you about

i personally think its bs, they should at least tell us what their changing in the game

how about giving us a nice long list of specific changes you can prove were changed and not listed in updates?

Sir Edri

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

McAllen, Texas

Black Metal Clan

W/Mo

28 Dec 2005 at 20:57 - 11

I haven't noticed any changes...I was just there last night with a guildmate...got 3 ectos in one run, and my guildmate got 1 ectos.

The Son Of Morgoth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Maryland

The Servants Of Morgoth

N/

28 Dec 2005 at 21:18 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Edri

I haven't noticed any changes...I was just there last night with a guildmate...got 3 ectos in one run, and my guildmate got 1 ectos.

luckeeze

allience

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

28 Dec 2005 at 21:59 - 13

i go in UW at least once a day. since the winter update all i noticed is a decrease in ecto drops and more purple chests.

nightmares seem the same to me and i've randomly seen smites attaking eachother. but this behavior is old, i remember seeing them fight even 2 months ago.

Juicey Shake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

CA

in it for the trimmmm

R/

28 Dec 2005 at 22:02 - 14

cc shards are replacing a lot of drops, especially charr.... I haven't gotten a hide in forever, all I needed was SIXTEEN to get a mask for my new ranger...

did 24 nolani gate runs, got 6 hides.

Strik3r

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Canada

28 Dec 2005 at 22:10 - 15

I don't think they nerfed the drops. I do smites run with a friend of mine and we got 12 ectos total in a few hours. (6 each)

We had 5 in one of the runs.

Funk ee Monk ee

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Legendary Adventurers Guild [LAG]

28 Dec 2005 at 22:19 - 16

Not to hijack this thread, but is it necessarily a bad thing to make it more difficult/impossible for a 2 man team to clear the area with some of the most lucrative drops in the game? You can't clear SF or FOW with a 2 man team, why should UW be any different?

I say more nightmares and a few mesmsers thrown in there is a good thing, especially for me and my 200-ish ecto inventory.

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

28 Dec 2005 at 22:30 - 17

You can do SF with a two-man squad: monk and a necro.

But it's slowwwwwwwwwww.

Lord Of Losers

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

True Hero Within

W/

29 Dec 2005 at 00:54 - 18

i havent noticed any changes, especially since i havent gone to UW/FoW/SF since beforew wintersday updates.

cant wait to go back to my own dorm room and get back to playing GW.

acidic artist

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/Me

29 Dec 2005 at 03:20 - 19

for me and my usual necro partner the ectos has increase and so has the dye drops. 2 or 3 straight runs after we finished cappin a spider for a ranger and a small 20k we go on to the smites. 2 and 3 ecto per run and 1 black dye per run for days straight. the update has been extremly nice to me. i just hope it keeps going this way. also some areas 3 nightmares pop up at once. its annoying but really easy to adjust to

The Son Of Morgoth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Maryland

The Servants Of Morgoth

N/

29 Dec 2005 at 05:03 - 20

well so far it seems that the majority of the people are having "bad luck" and some are having "good luck".

also something i dont get is since there has to be less ectos on the market now.....how come ecto prices are going down..:?

Stone StormChaser Jackal

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Nuclear Launch Detected

29 Dec 2005 at 07:32 - 21

Guys, smite vs smite is because smite crawlers use Zealots fire. They are the only monster in game to use the skill and when they do, if they already have it on it triggers the dmg from it in an aoe around them. Therefore when you move into the area and they are all spawned, when they patrol near a coldfire or another group of smites and re-activate Zealots fire, they think they are attacking each other. This has been happening for ever and you can actually get it to happen more if your good at moving them around.

Test it, take 1 group of agro'd smites and keep running them around and around another non-agro'd group of smites, eventually one of the smites will turn on his zealots twice in a row and agro the smite beside him. And then its civil war time.

Nothing shocking, but yes, the candy cane drops do mess with your ecto drops, so technically there is a slight chance you could get less ecto now if your really unlucky.

Ecto is a rare crafting material, CC shards were coded to replace the rare and non rare crafting material drops and also the kill tag (demonic remains) etc drop. But...I still got 43 new ecto since the wintersday update :P

acidic artist

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/Me

29 Dec 2005 at 07:40 - 22

smites arent the only creatures to use zealots. the monks in FOW use it as well

krammit

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Do the Mike Tyson Maneuver [Bite]

29 Dec 2005 at 10:24 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stone StormChaser Jackal

Guys, smite vs smite is because smite crawlers use Zealots fire. They are the only monster in game to use the skill and when they do, if they already have it on it triggers the dmg from it in an aoe around them. Therefore when you move into the area and they are all spawned, when they patrol near a coldfire or another group of smites and re-activate Zealots fire, they think they are attacking each other. This has been happening for ever and you can actually get it to happen more if your good at moving them around.

Test it, take 1 group of agro'd smites and keep running them around and around another non-agro'd group of smites, eventually one of the smites will turn on his zealots twice in a row and agro the smite beside him. And then its civil war time.

Smites have always fought eachother. Occasionally there will be a mob that spawns which is enemy to both you and the other monsters in the area (look at FOW beaches: snarling driftwood attacks shadow warriors even though both are CPUs) Average smites CANNOT fight eachother - or other mobs even by aggroing them ZF - however, because ZF only does damage to ENEMIES. You'll often find that you haven't lost a single smite after they duel, and that the killed smites were an out-of-place mob (one that is extra and isn't usually there) or see that there is an extra mob, and they didn't end up fighting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rc The Mad

After the Halloween update Anet did some undocumented UW nerfs. They increased the smites energy a lot making necros have to echo SV in order to run out their energy.

Sorry, but Smites still have the same amount of mana. You're probably mistaking this because your monk is using bonetti's defense and the smite are not hitting to trigger SV enough

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rc The Mad

They also added a little change where sometimes in the first chamber if a nightmare pops up out in the open, it automatically aggros a single Aatxe with it. I'm sure people who do regular runs have noticed both of those.

Aataxes always aggro you out of the radius.. it means a nightmare was there and he was linked to the mob of the aatax

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Son Of Morgoth

also something i dont get is since there has to be less ectos on the market now.....how come ecto prices are going down..:?

Even with the less frequent drops instituted a while ago, ecto is getting farmed by every noob and his brother. The ratio of "less ecto: noob duo farmer" is still overbearing on the supply of ecto driving down price