Do you REALLY need infused armor to take on Mursaat?

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

If youre careful, and dont treat them like normal mobs, but are properly prepared for what theyre capable of, I dont think infusion is "necessary", but Im sure it helps a hell of alot. This is from begining of Ice Caves
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4912/mskrtgw0679qc.jpg

Ventius Hozza

Ventius Hozza

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

London, UK

Powerpuff Boys [PUFF]

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There's only about 3 mursaat there... and you only just got out the gate...and there's no telling if you got your armor infused beforehand or not. So... why is this so amazing? I think more people than not know that mursaat aren't as good as they are made out to be vs uninfused armor so cmon, give all the forum-spamming a break.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Quote:
mursaat aren't as good as they are made out to be vs uninfused armor
Ok, name soemthing else that can do 100dmg per second, and cause -10 degen.

In the picture, you had minions up, and of course the mursaat targeted them for attack (and thus uping up their S.Agonys)

Rathcail

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

First time ever when I was in that mission, as a Me/N by the way, I of course attacked the mursaat with just me and the henchies. Half of us died but we did manage to kill off the mursaat.

Good times...

Matsumi

Matsumi

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

I guess you don't really need to unless this happens...

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Spectral_Agony

Mournblade

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

/golfclap for killing some stray mursaat mobs. Now go fight a meaningful battle against them and see how you fare.

LamerFlamer

LamerFlamer

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

The Order of The Green Flame

Tip, don't try to do ring of fire with uninfused armor as a warrior. It is PAINFUL.

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Actually, I found the screens I wanted to post(forgot I converted them )
I REALLY like this one

Poor Mursaat...

BONUS!

Attacking Mursaat

And the result

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Ever attacked a group of Mursaat with Shelter and Union up? You guessed it, naff all happens and the Mursaat die easily.

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Nope, havent even heard of those 2, will look them up.

VGJustice

VGJustice

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Tyria, cappin' ur bosses

Boston Guild [BG]

R/W

I remember doing THK with only my head peice infused as a Monk. I survived 2 shots of S. Agony before the third one did me in. And, if I remember correctly, the seer would only infuse one peice of armor at a time at first, and that was later updated so that he'd infuse your whole set.

So, I guess what I'm saying is "Yes, you can fight and win against the Mursaat without being infused, but it will cost you dearly."

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mournblade
/golfclap for killing some stray mursaat mobs. Now go fight a meaningful battle against them and see how you fare.
Does clearing Abaddon's Mouth with two Warriors and a Monk count for anything? (Only three of us because we didn't think we'd have to clear the mission to map out the spots we needed).

I mistakenly went into the mission without any infused armor handy... And I was a Warrior, "all up in thier business". Yes it's rough, but if you're prepared, it isn't that bad.

Note: before the "Well you had a Monk!" stuff starts... Do you really think a single protection Monk is going to keep two Warriors alive when one isn't infused? Of course not. He's going to focus on the one he thinks is the smart one (the infused W/Mo) rather than the idiot (non-infused W/N). I spammed Healing Signet like crazy in that mission...

quanzong

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere cold

The Followers of the Messiah

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rathcail
First time ever when I was in that mission, as a Me/N by the way, I of course attacked the mursaat with just me and the henchies. Half of us died but we did manage to kill off the mursaat.

Good times...
emm 3 vs 8 and half you died
I think if it was 3 vs 6 all of you would have died.

yes if you will need infused, if 7/8 is infused, not really big deal then, just stay away from them, if your a warrior, good luck surviving.

Rathcail

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by quanzong
emm 3 vs 8 and half you died
I think if it was 3 vs 6 all of you would have died.

yes if you will need infused, if 7/8 is infused, not really big deal then, just stay away from them, if your a warrior, good luck surviving.
Oh sure, my post didn't actually have a point in it. Was just reminded of my first experience with the mursaat while reading this thread.

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mournblade
/golfclap for killing some stray mursaat mobs. Now go fight a meaningful battle against them and see how you fare.
1st, whats your definition of "meaningful? Attacking a sizeable group, maybe 5-6 of them, all at once? Sorry, Im too smart to do that, if, #1, I dont have infused armor, #2, IM WITH HENCHIES. So, as I said, "if youre careful", it can be done. As to them being a "stray" group, take a look at last pic, especially minimap, and the area party is at. I wouldve probably succeded 1st time through, but Stephan "I need more aggro" Henchman decides to run around the corner, past Evennias cage, and pick a fight with about 8 mobs, before we recovered fully from last fight.

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

So basically the OP ask a question that he thinks he already "knows" the answer to in his opinion (he doesn't acknowledge any of the replies).

So I'm asking myself, what is the point with this thread?

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by majoho
So basically the OP ask a question that he thinks he already "knows" the answer to in his opinion (he doesn't acknowledge any of the replies).

So I'm asking myself, what is the point with this thread?
How the hell you come up with that? I guess these arent responses.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Ever attacked a group of Mursaat with Shelter and Union up? You guessed it, naff all happens and the Mursaat die easily.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorebrex
Nope, havent even heard of those 2, will look them up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mournblade
/golfclap for killing some stray mursaat mobs. Now go fight a meaningful battle against them and see how you fare.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorebrex
1st, whats your definition of "meaningful? Attacking a sizeable group, maybe 5-6 of them, all at once? Sorry, Im too smart to do that, if, #1, I dont have infused armor, #2, IM WITH HENCHIES. So, as I said, "if youre careful", it can be done. As to them being a "stray" group, take a look at last pic, especially minimap, and the area party is at. I wouldve probably succeded 1st time through, but Stephan "I need more aggro" Henchman decides to run around the corner, past Evennias cage, and pick a fight with about 8 mobs, before we recovered fully from last fight.
Im aking for(and recieving) opinions on whether or not infused armor vs Mursaat is a "necessity", and no, I dont believe it is(as stated in original post), and hope to help people find a way to effectively fight Mursaat if theyre not infused.

Hand of Ruin

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

Why would you even go to the trouble of doing it without infused? Does that make you special or something...

Niet Nart

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Las Vegas

Running Droks Pay At Snake Dance [TwoK]

W/

theres no reason to not infuse your armor... seriously. unless you want to do it just for kicks. i think this poster likes making up random threads for things he can answer himself

Caelus The Fallen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Glasgow

Voice of the Darkness

E/Mo

The fact is, eventually you will be forced to confront Mursaat in larger groups, no matter how "smart" you are. That said, by the time this is an issue, all the henchmen become infused, so you wont be able to claim that you faced them with an unifused team anyway.

Coridan

Coridan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

US

Old Married Gamers {OMG}

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Well.....not getting his armor infused coud be....because he is not far enough in the game to get it in fused....He is in the Ice caves of sorrow mission...Pretty sure u don't get infused until Iron Mines or Mineral SPrings...I think what he is looking for is an........ ATTA BOY!!!


Seriouly GJ

Coridan

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin
Why would you even go to the trouble of doing it without infused? Does that make you special or something...
Exactly, this thread is pointless - I assume the OP is just trying to brag.

Big_Iron

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

Who cares? It's not that hard to get your armor infused if you get a new set. I keep seeing "if you're prepared." Well, being prepared would be having your stinking armor infused. Can you do it? Sure. But why go through the hassle of fighting them and "being careful" when it takes like 5 minutes to get infused?

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

People hench these missions all the time and it has been said that henchmen aren't infused. Old Hat.

The spamming is getting very annoying. On a forum this large I should be seeing multiple topics by the same poster this frequently and they're all fluff.'

Furthermore no one gives two drops of monkey piss how high your post count is

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by majoho
Exactly, this thread is pointless - I assume the OP is just trying to brag.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahn Roi
People hench these missions all the time and it has been said that henchmen aren't infused. Old Hat.

The spamming is getting very annoying. On a forum this large I should be seeing multiple topics by the same poster this frequently and they're all fluff.'

Furthermore no one gives two drops of monkey piss how high your post count is
Your assumtion is incorrect.
Theres no spam, its your imagination. Sorry I dont meet your standard for posting, even though I have no clue what it is(you werent real easy to figure out in your in-game whispers, and then you ignored me. LOL! ).
Including me! YTF do people say that? I dont get it... let me say it now,
I DONT CARE ABOUT MY POST COUNT! GET OVER IT!

Now, away from the flaming...
I dont follow the "Normal Gaming Standard" I guess, dont know the details on alot of stuff, Ive never been that deep into any game, that I can(as Ive seen on some posts), recognize a skill(that I dont have) just from a picture. I learn as I go, and dont go looking for everthing bit of info I can find. If I run into a situation Im not sure of, Ill look something up, otherwise, I go with what I know.
(think I figured it out. Im getting flamed by people who are trying to get a thread they dont like closed. Well, sorry, but I dont complain abut other people, unless I find it VERY(bordering on possible illegality) offensive to me.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

You also don't need armor. If someone bonds you, adds prot spirit, keeps spirits around, then all the warriors can attack naked.

You don't even need weapons, since you can rely on casters to do damage.

But it makes life so much easier if you come prepared. So it's kinda pointless to discuss whether you need infused armor.

You need infusion exactly as much as you need armor, weapons, runes and weapon mods. You can play entire game without those, as long as you play smart. Hell, 55s farm UW mobs with lowest armor and yule cap.

But it makes it so much easier, not just on you, but the rest of the group. Especially monks your group will notice that something is wrong. Just like if a tank brings 65 armor or something.

And infusion run is one of the simpler things in game, and one of more populated, so it's absolutely no excuse not to do it when considering joining a group. Everyone and everyone after the infusion mission should have their full armor infused.

infusco

infusco

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Canada

Stupid Tag For You

R/W

Sure you can fight a full group of Mursaat with an un-infused party.

You can also jump off a cliff and try and get the trees to break your fall.

The odds of the surviving the former are just shy of the that of surviving the latter. I recommend neither.

Stockholm

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

Censored

R/

Bah low level was run to S.Shivers and without doing Desert he can't get in to the Infusion mission yet.

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caelus The Fallen
The fact is, eventually you will be forced to confront Mursaat in larger groups, no matter how "smart" you are. That said, by the time this is an issue, all the henchmen become infused, so you wont be able to claim that you faced them with an unifused team anyway.
I realize that, and as to why would I do it w/o being infused? I COULDNT get infused, as I didnt have acess to Iron mines at the time. I know its easier being infused, and Im going to do mission for it as soon as I can get into/create a decent party(henchies keep screwing me up). Stockholm, Im not sure what you mean by that, so I cant respond. The whole point of this is, as long as youre not facing a sizeable group, are careful with aggro/pulls, the Mursaat arent as bad as theyre made out to be. They are strong, yes, but in smaller groups, theyre not extremely difficult too defeat.

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorebrex
The whole point of this is, as long as youre not facing a sizeable group, are careful with aggro/pulls, the Mursaat arent as bad as theyre made out to be. They are strong, yes, but in smaller groups, theyre not extremely difficult too defeat.
Well that's a common known fact, you can indeed take on a few Mursaat without being infused.

However that's NOT what you made this thread about.

Hephaestus Ram

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by majoho
So basically the OP ask a question that he thinks he already "knows" the answer to in his opinion (he doesn't acknowledge any of the replies).

So I'm asking myself, what is the point with this thread?

Is there somewhere in the forum posting guidlines that says that
your posts always have to have a point and be meaningful to
everyone else? I haven't seen it, can someone give me a link?

I've opened a lot of threads based on the header, looked at the
content, and said meh...not interested in that and went on to
something else. I didn't feel like I needed to ridicule the OP for
wanting to talk about something that was interesting to him but
not me.

So what's the deal? Is there a shortage of space here or something?
I've seen a few people at Ice Caves that insist the bonus can't be
done if you're not infused, so I don't see why this is an invalid topic.

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

I could ask you the same thing.

Canadian Bacon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Ontario, Canada

Kingdom of Tyria [KoT]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matsumi
I guess you don't really need to unless this happens...

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Spectral_Agony
I just edited this article to be aligned with the 7/13/06 update (fixed the line that said shields CAN reduce the damage to shields CANNOT, plus some other words).

Mesmer in Need

Mesmer in Need

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

[ToA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
Ok, name soemthing else that can do 100dmg per second, and cause -10 degen.
Me/e (me) :crippling anguish+conjour phantasm /meteor storm
also, are pets and minions resistant against s. agony?

Fyre Brand

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Shadowlight Order [SoR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorebrex
Im aking for(and recieving) opinions on whether or not infused armor vs Mursaat is a "necessity", and no, I dont believe it is(as stated in original post), and hope to help people find a way to effectively fight Mursaat if theyre not infused.
Is it necessary against 1 - 3 with Mhenlo/Alesia and Lina covering you? Not usually. I think you should credit the power of the henchies in helping people fight the mursaat with uninfused armour.

If you had screenshots of a coupld good caps on that bar instead of signets (which only shows that the henchies carried you) then that would be impressive. Cap Coventina (aura of faith) and Odelyn (life transfer) uninfused with that skill bar and that would be impressive.

I think what a majority of the people are trying to tell you is that at one time or another most people have faced a mursaat band uninfused and lived (henchies ftw). With that said it's just silly to do that and when you try and move through mursaat territory it's not going to go that smooth. It would be just as quick to run up (with the henches) and infuse yourself rather than working around -100 health dps.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
Me/e (me) :crippling anguish+conjour phantasm /meteor storm
also, are pets and minions resistant against s. agony?
100 damage every 3 seconds and -8 degen

Your not even close. Plus its Meteor Shower.

Mesmer in Need

Mesmer in Need

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

[ToA]

oh well deal. I was just being funny

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by majoho
Well that's a common known fact, you can indeed take on a few Mursaat without being infused.

However that's NOT what you made this thread about.
WHAT!? How the hell would you know what I made the thread about? What, you psychic? Sorry, no. You DONT know, I do. And yes, it is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fyre Brand
Is it necessary against 1 - 3 with Mhenlo/Alesia and Lina covering you? Not usually. I think you should credit the power of the henchies in helping people fight the mursaat with uninfused armour.

If you had screenshots of a coupld good caps on that bar instead of signets (which only shows that the henchies carried you) then that would be impressive. Cap Coventina (aura of faith) and Odelyn (life transfer) uninfused with that skill bar and that would be impressive.

I think what a majority of the people are trying to tell you is that at one time or another most people have faced a mursaat band uninfused and lived (henchies ftw). With that said it's just silly to do that and when you try and move through mursaat territory it's not going to go that smooth. It would be just as quick to run up (with the henches) and infuse yourself rather than working around -100 health dps.
They DO make good fodder. Henchies are why I had to get a PUG to do mission, kept running ahead, drawing too much aggro. I saw a post awhile ago, about controling henchies, never got it to work with them. It didnt do any good at all, like it had been made up(maybe it was, I dont know).
Wasnt trying to impress anyone... Dont know where that came from, but oh well. As to capping, cap what? Offering of Blood? No, I dont sacrifice health. Mark of Protection? Nope, Ill pass on the temporary protection spell disabling, thanks. To me, theyre not worth capping, but some would use them, I know that, but cant see why.
Tried a few runs today, only two suceeded. One for mission(forgot bonus, so had to do again). Wasnt my idea to run it, it was leader decision.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hephaestus Ram
Is there somewhere in the forum posting guidlines that says that
your posts always have to have a point and be meaningful to
everyone else? I haven't seen it, can someone give me a link?

I've opened a lot of threads based on the header, looked at the
content, and said meh...not interested in that and went on to
something else. I didn't feel like I needed to ridicule the OP for
wanting to talk about something that was interesting to him but
not me.

So what's the deal? Is there a shortage of space here or something?
I've seen a few people at Ice Caves that insist the bonus can't be
done if you're not infused, so I don't see why this is an invalid topic.
This should be stickied

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorebrex
WHAT!? How the hell would you know what I made the thread about? What, you psychic? Sorry, no. You DONT know, I do. And yes, it is.
So basically you're saying that only you know what this thread is about?



I was basing my statement on the content of your post.

Are you for real?

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by majoho
So basically you're saying that only you know what this thread is about?



I was basing my statement on the content of your post.

Are you for real?
For certain, yes. Anyone else who knows what its about has correctly interpreted my intent, something you seem to have failed to do, on numerous occasions, and yes, I am very much for real.