Do you REALLY need infused armor to take on Mursaat?
Gorebrex
If youre careful, and dont treat them like normal mobs, but are properly prepared for what theyre capable of, I dont think infusion is "necessary", but Im sure it helps a hell of alot. This is from begining of Ice Caves
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Ventius Hozza
There's only about 3 mursaat there... and you only just got out the gate...and there's no telling if you got your armor infused beforehand or not. So... why is this so amazing? I think more people than not know that mursaat aren't as good as they are made out to be vs uninfused armor so cmon, give all the forum-spamming a break.
Former Ruling
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mursaat aren't as good as they are made out to be vs uninfused armor |
In the picture, you had minions up, and of course the mursaat targeted them for attack (and thus uping up their S.Agonys)
Rathcail
First time ever when I was in that mission, as a Me/N by the way, I of course attacked the mursaat with just me and the henchies. Half of us died but we did manage to kill off the mursaat.
Good times...
Good times...
Matsumi
Mournblade
/golfclap for killing some stray mursaat mobs. Now go fight a meaningful battle against them and see how you fare.
LamerFlamer
Tip, don't try to do ring of fire with uninfused armor as a warrior. It is PAINFUL.
Gorebrex
Evilsod
Ever attacked a group of Mursaat with Shelter and Union up? You guessed it, naff all happens and the Mursaat die easily.
Gorebrex
Nope, havent even heard of those 2, will look them up.
VGJustice
I remember doing THK with only my head peice infused as a Monk. I survived 2 shots of S. Agony before the third one did me in. And, if I remember correctly, the seer would only infuse one peice of armor at a time at first, and that was later updated so that he'd infuse your whole set.
So, I guess what I'm saying is "Yes, you can fight and win against the Mursaat without being infused, but it will cost you dearly."
So, I guess what I'm saying is "Yes, you can fight and win against the Mursaat without being infused, but it will cost you dearly."
Faer
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Originally Posted by Mournblade
/golfclap for killing some stray mursaat mobs. Now go fight a meaningful battle against them and see how you fare.
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I mistakenly went into the mission without any infused armor handy... And I was a Warrior, "all up in thier business". Yes it's rough, but if you're prepared, it isn't that bad.
Note: before the "Well you had a Monk!" stuff starts... Do you really think a single protection Monk is going to keep two Warriors alive when one isn't infused? Of course not. He's going to focus on the one he thinks is the smart one (the infused W/Mo) rather than the idiot (non-infused W/N). I spammed Healing Signet like crazy in that mission...
quanzong
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Originally Posted by Rathcail
First time ever when I was in that mission, as a Me/N by the way, I of course attacked the mursaat with just me and the henchies. Half of us died but we did manage to kill off the mursaat.
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I think if it was 3 vs 6 all of you would have died.
yes if you will need infused, if 7/8 is infused, not really big deal then, just stay away from them, if your a warrior, good luck surviving.
Rathcail
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Originally Posted by quanzong
emm 3 vs 8 and half you died
I think if it was 3 vs 6 all of you would have died. yes if you will need infused, if 7/8 is infused, not really big deal then, just stay away from them, if your a warrior, good luck surviving. |
Gorebrex
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Originally Posted by Mournblade
/golfclap for killing some stray mursaat mobs. Now go fight a meaningful battle against them and see how you fare.
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majoho
So basically the OP ask a question that he thinks he already "knows" the answer to in his opinion (he doesn't acknowledge any of the replies).
So I'm asking myself, what is the point with this thread?
So I'm asking myself, what is the point with this thread?
Gorebrex
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Originally Posted by majoho
So basically the OP ask a question that he thinks he already "knows" the answer to in his opinion (he doesn't acknowledge any of the replies).
So I'm asking myself, what is the point with this thread? |
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
Ever attacked a group of Mursaat with Shelter and Union up? You guessed it, naff all happens and the Mursaat die easily.
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Originally Posted by Gorebrex
Nope, havent even heard of those 2, will look them up.
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Originally Posted by Mournblade
/golfclap for killing some stray mursaat mobs. Now go fight a meaningful battle against them and see how you fare.
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Originally Posted by Gorebrex
1st, whats your definition of "meaningful? Attacking a sizeable group, maybe 5-6 of them, all at once? Sorry, Im too smart to do that, if, #1, I dont have infused armor, #2, IM WITH HENCHIES. So, as I said, "if youre careful", it can be done. As to them being a "stray" group, take a look at last pic, especially minimap, and the area party is at. I wouldve probably succeded 1st time through, but Stephan "I need more aggro" Henchman decides to run around the corner, past Evennias cage, and pick a fight with about 8 mobs, before we recovered fully from last fight.
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Hand of Ruin
Why would you even go to the trouble of doing it without infused? Does that make you special or something...
Niet Nart
theres no reason to not infuse your armor... seriously. unless you want to do it just for kicks. i think this poster likes making up random threads for things he can answer himself
Caelus The Fallen
The fact is, eventually you will be forced to confront Mursaat in larger groups, no matter how "smart" you are. That said, by the time this is an issue, all the henchmen become infused, so you wont be able to claim that you faced them with an unifused team anyway.
Coridan
Well.....not getting his armor infused coud be....because he is not far enough in the game to get it in fused....He is in the Ice caves of sorrow mission...Pretty sure u don't get infused until Iron Mines or Mineral SPrings...I think what he is looking for is an........ ATTA BOY!!!
Seriouly GJ
Coridan
Seriouly GJ
Coridan
majoho
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Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin
Why would you even go to the trouble of doing it without infused? Does that make you special or something...
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Big_Iron
Who cares? It's not that hard to get your armor infused if you get a new set. I keep seeing "if you're prepared." Well, being prepared would be having your stinking armor infused. Can you do it? Sure. But why go through the hassle of fighting them and "being careful" when it takes like 5 minutes to get infused?
Vahn Roi
People hench these missions all the time and it has been said that henchmen aren't infused. Old Hat.
The spamming is getting very annoying. On a forum this large I should be seeing multiple topics by the same poster this frequently and they're all fluff.'
Furthermore no one gives two drops of monkey piss how high your post count is
The spamming is getting very annoying. On a forum this large I should be seeing multiple topics by the same poster this frequently and they're all fluff.'
Furthermore no one gives two drops of monkey piss how high your post count is
Gorebrex
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Originally Posted by majoho
Exactly, this thread is pointless - I assume the OP is just trying to brag.
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Originally Posted by Vahn Roi
People hench these missions all the time and it has been said that henchmen aren't infused. Old Hat.
The spamming is getting very annoying. On a forum this large I should be seeing multiple topics by the same poster this frequently and they're all fluff.' Furthermore no one gives two drops of monkey piss how high your post count is |
Theres no spam, its your imagination. Sorry I dont meet your standard for posting, even though I have no clue what it is(you werent real easy to figure out in your in-game whispers, and then you ignored me. LOL! ).
Including me! YTF do people say that? I dont get it... let me say it now,
I DONT CARE ABOUT MY POST COUNT! GET OVER IT!
Now, away from the flaming...
I dont follow the "Normal Gaming Standard" I guess, dont know the details on alot of stuff, Ive never been that deep into any game, that I can(as Ive seen on some posts), recognize a skill(that I dont have) just from a picture. I learn as I go, and dont go looking for everthing bit of info I can find. If I run into a situation Im not sure of, Ill look something up, otherwise, I go with what I know.
(think I figured it out. Im getting flamed by people who are trying to get a thread they dont like closed. Well, sorry, but I dont complain abut other people, unless I find it VERY(bordering on possible illegality) offensive to me.
Antheus
You also don't need armor. If someone bonds you, adds prot spirit, keeps spirits around, then all the warriors can attack naked.
You don't even need weapons, since you can rely on casters to do damage.
But it makes life so much easier if you come prepared. So it's kinda pointless to discuss whether you need infused armor.
You need infusion exactly as much as you need armor, weapons, runes and weapon mods. You can play entire game without those, as long as you play smart. Hell, 55s farm UW mobs with lowest armor and yule cap.
But it makes it so much easier, not just on you, but the rest of the group. Especially monks your group will notice that something is wrong. Just like if a tank brings 65 armor or something.
And infusion run is one of the simpler things in game, and one of more populated, so it's absolutely no excuse not to do it when considering joining a group. Everyone and everyone after the infusion mission should have their full armor infused.
You don't even need weapons, since you can rely on casters to do damage.
But it makes life so much easier if you come prepared. So it's kinda pointless to discuss whether you need infused armor.
You need infusion exactly as much as you need armor, weapons, runes and weapon mods. You can play entire game without those, as long as you play smart. Hell, 55s farm UW mobs with lowest armor and yule cap.
But it makes it so much easier, not just on you, but the rest of the group. Especially monks your group will notice that something is wrong. Just like if a tank brings 65 armor or something.
And infusion run is one of the simpler things in game, and one of more populated, so it's absolutely no excuse not to do it when considering joining a group. Everyone and everyone after the infusion mission should have their full armor infused.
infusco
Sure you can fight a full group of Mursaat with an un-infused party.
You can also jump off a cliff and try and get the trees to break your fall.
The odds of the surviving the former are just shy of the that of surviving the latter. I recommend neither.
You can also jump off a cliff and try and get the trees to break your fall.
The odds of the surviving the former are just shy of the that of surviving the latter. I recommend neither.
Stockholm
Bah low level was run to S.Shivers and without doing Desert he can't get in to the Infusion mission yet.
Gorebrex
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Originally Posted by Caelus The Fallen
The fact is, eventually you will be forced to confront Mursaat in larger groups, no matter how "smart" you are. That said, by the time this is an issue, all the henchmen become infused, so you wont be able to claim that you faced them with an unifused team anyway.
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majoho
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Originally Posted by Gorebrex
The whole point of this is, as long as youre not facing a sizeable group, are careful with aggro/pulls, the Mursaat arent as bad as theyre made out to be. They are strong, yes, but in smaller groups, theyre not extremely difficult too defeat.
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However that's NOT what you made this thread about.
Hephaestus Ram
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Originally Posted by majoho
So basically the OP ask a question that he thinks he already "knows" the answer to in his opinion (he doesn't acknowledge any of the replies).
So I'm asking myself, what is the point with this thread? |
Is there somewhere in the forum posting guidlines that says that
your posts always have to have a point and be meaningful to
everyone else? I haven't seen it, can someone give me a link?
I've opened a lot of threads based on the header, looked at the
content, and said meh...not interested in that and went on to
something else. I didn't feel like I needed to ridicule the OP for
wanting to talk about something that was interesting to him but
not me.
So what's the deal? Is there a shortage of space here or something?
I've seen a few people at Ice Caves that insist the bonus can't be
done if you're not infused, so I don't see why this is an invalid topic.
majoho
I could ask you the same thing.
Canadian Bacon
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Mesmer in Need
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Originally Posted by Former Ruling
Ok, name soemthing else that can do 100dmg per second, and cause -10 degen.
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also, are pets and minions resistant against s. agony?
Fyre Brand
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Originally Posted by Gorebrex
Im aking for(and recieving) opinions on whether or not infused armor vs Mursaat is a "necessity", and no, I dont believe it is(as stated in original post), and hope to help people find a way to effectively fight Mursaat if theyre not infused.
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If you had screenshots of a coupld good caps on that bar instead of signets (which only shows that the henchies carried you) then that would be impressive. Cap Coventina (aura of faith) and Odelyn (life transfer) uninfused with that skill bar and that would be impressive.
I think what a majority of the people are trying to tell you is that at one time or another most people have faced a mursaat band uninfused and lived (henchies ftw). With that said it's just silly to do that and when you try and move through mursaat territory it's not going to go that smooth. It would be just as quick to run up (with the henches) and infuse yourself rather than working around -100 health dps.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
Me/e (me) :crippling anguish+conjour phantasm /meteor storm
also, are pets and minions resistant against s. agony? |
Your not even close. Plus its Meteor Shower.
Mesmer in Need
oh well deal. I was just being funny
Gorebrex
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Originally Posted by majoho
Well that's a common known fact, you can indeed take on a few Mursaat without being infused.
However that's NOT what you made this thread about. |
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Originally Posted by Fyre Brand
Is it necessary against 1 - 3 with Mhenlo/Alesia and Lina covering you? Not usually. I think you should credit the power of the henchies in helping people fight the mursaat with uninfused armour.
If you had screenshots of a coupld good caps on that bar instead of signets (which only shows that the henchies carried you) then that would be impressive. Cap Coventina (aura of faith) and Odelyn (life transfer) uninfused with that skill bar and that would be impressive. I think what a majority of the people are trying to tell you is that at one time or another most people have faced a mursaat band uninfused and lived (henchies ftw). With that said it's just silly to do that and when you try and move through mursaat territory it's not going to go that smooth. It would be just as quick to run up (with the henches) and infuse yourself rather than working around -100 health dps. |

Wasnt trying to impress anyone... Dont know where that came from, but oh well. As to capping, cap what? Offering of Blood? No, I dont sacrifice health. Mark of Protection? Nope, Ill pass on the temporary protection spell disabling, thanks. To me, theyre not worth capping, but some would use them, I know that, but cant see why.
Tried a few runs today, only two suceeded. One for mission(forgot bonus, so had to do again). Wasnt my idea to run it, it was leader decision.
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Originally Posted by Hephaestus Ram
Is there somewhere in the forum posting guidlines that says that
your posts always have to have a point and be meaningful to everyone else? I haven't seen it, can someone give me a link? I've opened a lot of threads based on the header, looked at the content, and said meh...not interested in that and went on to something else. I didn't feel like I needed to ridicule the OP for wanting to talk about something that was interesting to him but not me. So what's the deal? Is there a shortage of space here or something? I've seen a few people at Ice Caves that insist the bonus can't be done if you're not infused, so I don't see why this is an invalid topic. |
majoho
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Originally Posted by Gorebrex
WHAT!? How the hell would you know what I made the thread about? What, you psychic? Sorry, no. You DONT know, I do. And yes, it is.
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I was basing my statement on the content of your post.
Are you for real?
Gorebrex
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Originally Posted by majoho
So basically you're saying that only you know what this thread is about?
![]() I was basing my statement on the content of your post. Are you for real? |