Idiotic players - Have you played alongside them?

I feel your pain in PuGs and have rescently gone to either using hencies or logging off if no friends and guildies are on.
After trying for over two weeks to get all Masters and all Bonuses done with my monk, I got tired of the following (and thus refuse to use PuGs at all now):

- People running off to unlock a spot on the map then pulling multiple groups on us, then, they map out.
- People not saying they are capping, grab the cap then map out without so much as a word. If they would say they need the cap, great, I'll help them get it... but Nooo.
- People afking the entire mission. One such instance, I was so sick of it, I convinced the rest of the group via whispers to return to the afker and we sat there for a good 45 minutes chatting. When the afker came back, he had the nerve to curse us out for having not finished the mission yet.
- The idiots that run off and aggro several groups then stand there screaming that no one followed them and healed/rezzed them within a two second timeframe.

So yea, I've seen the idiots... it's seemingly getting worse as well. Henchie AI upgrades FTW!

lessons in GW:

A poor group with expert monks - will barely complete mission.

An expert group even without monks - will complete mission.

A guild group - get mission with eyes closed.

An average group with a poor monk - time to look for another PuG.

For Thristy River, get everyone to bring a rez sig, it recharges each time you kill a boss and always rez ASAP. Make sure you either have a Dom mesmer, interupt ranger or a nuker in your party and the monk should carry some form of condition removal as well. And use the 2 minute Rule to your advantage.

Edit:
Every Mission in GW can be completed either with a certain build and "tricks" to use to make them easier, you just need to employ them and make sure everyone in your group knows about them and what to do.

i love monking for wammos with foci, smiting skills, healing breeze, non-max armor, and, despite being a wammo, not having a res. at all. and people say some assassins are bad...

ahh the idiots.........

today i joined a infusion/mission group in Iron mines. i asked: mission/infusion? they said YES. so we leave and i hear:

" we have to clear every spot here to find all the skill caps that Mr. Ranger and Mr. Warior needs"

"we are not runing infsion, we are fighting"

"no dont worry this will take only 15 minutes"

"yes we can kill jades witout infuusion"


well, they just wanted me there regardless of what i needed and was asking for "LFG mission/infusion"

PLZ PLZ PLZ if you want to cap, advertise as capping group, not mission group!!!!!!

oh and did i mention i was a monk? maby thats why......

I wouldn't put it quite like shardfenix, but I do believe any normal person would have to go out of his way to be awful as most people in Guild Wars.

Seriously, it can't be that these people are lousy players with rotten attitudes by default, you have to put forth effort for to reach these levels of internet-tardness.

Wow you died monking in thirsty river? You must be using healing breeze, aren't you!

Monks don't bring rez sig, if anything they bring hard rez (pve wise, pvp if the monk has rez sig laugh at him and leave after he uses it). If your team goes through multiple rez sigs in one fight they more than suck and you should move along.

Healing breeze... no... just no... every time I see a monk spamming healing breeze all over the place I just shake my head and sigh. Most of its healing is wasted (if not stripped) because its used on a target with like 90% hp because you just can't use it on a person under 50% without expecting to be rezzing him before your next heal. Not to mention every, yes every (well except one), type of enemy group in factions has strips (nahpui quarter before turtle is only place there isn't). Hell prophecies requires so little healing you can get away with using breeze.


You wanna see idiocy, play RA for 1 hour and pay close attention to the builds used there... thats a whole thread in itself.

ROFL! This thread is great!

Here is a character by character recap of how most bad pugs are outfitted.

Necro: I'm a Necro DAMNIT! I have SS so I'm LEET. Oh oh look at the mob I just aggroed...(Runs behind other casters)

Ranger: I'm a Ranger DAMINT! I don't care if (or even understand) if my spirits are hurting the team! Besides, I'm the big damage dealer here!! (while using longbow at closr range) NR & EOE FTW!!

Monk: I'm a Monk! (angelic background music starts) I spit on your noobness! I am LEET because I am! If you need too much healing I will leave. If you don't I will go AFK for the mission. Ethier way I am the $#!t!! SO 8p.

Mesmer: (sound of wind blowing on empty desert plane)

Ele: AOE Nerf? Firestorm causes mobs to break up? Where's that damn necro with my BR? (spams energy in chat) My energy is 8 of 60. HURRY UP I CAN'T BREEZE MYSELF!

Assassin: I am a Tank DAMNIT! DAMN NOOB MONK!!! WHY AM I ALWAYS DEAD?

Rit: I am expected to be a Monk......I try...I fail! No Respect at allo I tell ya!

Warrior: LEEROOOY MMMM JEEENKIIINS



LT

+1. A monks job is not to keep peoples health bars full, just to keep them alive and fighting no matter what.

If you have more than 10 degen on you, which happens sometimes, your breeze will be gimpier than a normal heal anyways, since it's being negated by the >10 degen, and removing >10 degen with breeze is pointless, since nothing past 10 hurts you. I guess the only point of breeze is in boosting a followup with dwana's kiss or healing light.

I was doing the Zen Daijun mission with my new ranger character, being the only ranger in the group you would I assume I would be the one pulling all the mobs back when needed...but no. I thought I was playing with a bunch of 7 year olds

Other characters without bows would rush in, aggro mobs and just get slaugthered before the other players could do anything...Multiple times I was told to stay back.

"Keep out of the miasma!!!1!11!!"

O RLY?

I finally said screw it and left...not worth my time

well it would be pretty hard for me to solo it, seeing as i'm a monk lol. Also, apparently soloing the mission (or even doing it with henchies) would be pretty hard, as you have to go around killing the teams as well as keeping the Ghostly Hero alive.

(Then again, he's got pretty good defensive capabilities, so he could probably handle the enemy.)

I am hurt by that statement! Mesmers are cool - admittedly, there aren't many who can do it properly, But I was in a team of 3 Mesmers for Tahnnakai Temple - we 'pwnd' everything in there...

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I was trying to complete the mission in the Sunjiang District the other day. Asked my brother to come online since he's a monk (much easier to get into a group that way ). Eventually we got into one and started the mission. The warrior, who was group leader suddenly said "I don't want to lead anymore. Someone else lead". I just looked at that and thought nothing of it.

After a while he said it again...and again... After we killed the first couple of spirits he saw Shiro, we walked past his chamber, the warrior says:

Warr: "OMG"
Warr: "OMG IT'S SHIRO"
Warr: "We have to kill Shiro"
Everyone else: "NO"
Monk: "We go this way"
Warr: "We Kill Shiro"
Monk: "No - We go this way"
*Draws on map*

The warrior shuts up and goes along with us. After a while he says:

Warr: "We Need to kill Shiro"
Everyone else: "NO"

My brother pitches in and tells him to "read the mission objectives already"

The warrior waits a couple of minutes and then says "I've never done this misson before"

Reeeeeaally?

My funniest PUG experience has been when assassin tell others (even warriors) to stay behind his back. Obviously the assassin died very quickly and complained that there was not enough healing.

Servers are lagging. Press Submit Reply only one time even nothing happens in some time because multiple clicks goes in queue and produce these multiple posts.

My friend got the game and he always wanted me to help him.
The worst thing was in game he was the biggest idiot ever. My guild always had a laugh about saying next time we recruit we should say you must have an IQ larger than 4.
He was fun to be in a group with because he was so stupid but he always seemed to lead to the death of a group.

one time i was in RA.
i was playing a flash bot
i was in a pretty good team at first glance (read had a monk)
so the battle begins.
were at flamming place with all the lava,
toasty...
so the monk starts spamming in team chat:
Call
even before either side were fighting each other.
after a while i got hacked off with this and said:
k i willl call (cos i had lightning orb and hammer)
so the battle starts and the other team has a warrior, he runs accross the bridge in the usual fashien,
and i stick blind and weakness on hi to be on the safe side.
the battle proceeds. i can my first target, the other teams monk.
i start to cast lightning orb and, what this miagraine?
i crtl miagraine hoping that one of my team will remove of me.
we had a mesmer and a monk, along with an assasin.
i continue wanding the monk, calling occasionally that my miagraine hadn't been removed.
i used my other spells on their monk.
they were all interupted by ther teams mesmer.
i once again exclaim that i have miagraine on my as welll as dazed so i am pretty much shut down.
i call the monk still, even tho i would like the memser to go down,
but the mesmer wouldn't die with healing from the monk.
at this point i am constantly getting interupted.
i still call my hexs and conditions,
i even right out if the time that my skills are rechargeing,
that if the monk could remove miagraine and dazed from me i would be very happy.

at last miagraine runs its time out.
the mesmer was using mantra of persitance.
i try to cast still with daze on.
and lo and behold i get interupted and miagraine lands on my again.
the battle quickly takes a turn for the worst. and the other 2 people on my team have either run into the lava and degened to death. or were dead alrdy.
furoiusly the monk starts calling on and on again.
and then says
"OMG WHY DIDN'T U CALL U ********* NUB"
me:i did call man scroll up^
" well u weren't doing enough dmg"
me; i couldn't do anything because i was shut down all the time.
i had miagraine and dazed on me for the whole of that match and the mesmer kept on interupting me.
he keeps on blabbing that i am a bad player and a nub and that i shouldn't play this game.

i pointed out to him that he had NO hex removal
that he had NO condtion removal
and that he was using blessed sig for energy management, with only boon
giving him a whole 3 enegy everytime he used it.

my keyboard would have gone out the window if it had not have a wire connecting it to the computer.

i have seen so many assasin actually using the LEEEERRROOYY JEENNKKIINSS style and of course die way to fast.
as for mesmers they are quite good but oly a small part of the GW community seems to apreciate and understand them. but overall younever hear mesmers in chat while in a fight

Dying is a part of an assassins strategy.

Speaking as a Mesmer, I never chat whilst in a fight for two reasons:

1. Why waste time typing?
2. I'm too busy trying to maintain hexes on the enemy and keeping them as shut down as possible, without having to worry about how much I'm contributing to the chat window.

I often think that if you have enough time to chat, whilst fighting (other than holding ctrl to call a target) you're not fighting to your full potential.

I too like a good mesmer. My monk has a mesmer secondary and really the only time I get to use cool mesmer spells is if I play with henchies. If I play with henchies I max out domination and smiting and let the bitches Alesia and Lina take care of healing. But alas, in PUG your really stuck with just healing/protecting because that's all anyone really wants you for. I relish the rare times where I get in a PUG with 3 or more monks so some of us get to use our smite skills.

I agree. I met a wammo once, who in the middle of a fight suddenly asked "So, hey! Where is everybody from? Anybody played WoW?" I simply ignored him, because, unlike him, I was very busy fighting and healing
They all suddenly were chatting in the middle of a mission, and they all forgot about master's rewards and stuff.

Sorry Beaver but I think you missed my point. I was pokin fun at the fact you just don't see many Mesmers around. Granted if ya do they tend to be great additions to the team. Half the time if they are around the group leaders just flat out ignore them or kick them off the team if anything else with a pulse shows up. (sigh) I too play a Mesmer and love it. Very under rated in PVE they are.

Just clearing that up!

LT

Mesmers are the AWP of GW, unstoppable, but only if the person behind the mouse has half a brain.

Is this because they don't want to contribute, or because they don't know how to use their skills? Either way, it's annoying.

Some time back, I went from pre to post with an N/Me who used a sword. More recently, I was in a PUG for Ring of Fire with an E/Mo who used a bow and hammer throughout the mission (can you dye weapons, because they matched her outfit). Since nothing prevents players from using any weapon, I figure some people never realize that the weapon only does significant damage if they have the required attributes.

I've been in groups where the warriors carry on a continuous conversation while fighting. Okay, the warrior isn't the most complicated class to play, but you have to pay at least some attention to what's going on.

I'm thinking of creating a smiting monk that will mainly hench. Though I've always thought smite was a weak line (but I haven't worked with it much).

How much is that in US dolloars/cents?

Anyhow, I play with bad players in PUG's everyday. You get accustomed to it. There're good groups and there're inevitably bad ones, just can't be avoided. Try to make the best of it if that's the case. I usually don't leave a group, though, despite how bad they turn out to be.

After playing a monk for a while, and in the process getting a clearer view of what people do during battle, sometimes yes, I do want to strangle some people, but then I realize it's just a game

I never bring a res as a monk anymore. I keep the team alive, using all 8 skills effectively. I don't have time during battle to res someone and after battle, it's up to someone else to res. Gives me time to regen energy (not that it isn't something like 35-45 out of 45/47)

Healing Breeze, I never bring as a healer either. I really don't see the point in it. I haven't used it since I got out of Ascalon and started getting decent healing skills (which was almost a year ago fyi). It does have it's place, but a very small place. I know a better skill that can counter degen quite easily. It's called mend condition, costs 5 energy, heals for a decent amount + the divine favor bonus and voila, no more degen.

Edit: Speaking of joining PuGs just to see the entertainment at how bad they are, I do it often enough for UW to have picked up a sixth sense about how far the group will get and which party member will screw up, not only which, but how as well before we enter. It's a bonus when you delay the team for a long enough time that someone else gets impatiant and pays the 1k themselves.

It's alll profit.

I have no idea lol, i was merely putting the phrase "My two cents" into british terms, because I hail from the misty moors of scotland (ok, maybe not misty moors, but still, the weather here is very unpredictable. One day it'll be very hot (for us brits anyway), and another day it's pouring down with rain, but now i'm drifting off topic ^.^

Hey guess what man, any caster with a clue uses a sword. The E/Mo might have been using a recurve with thunderclap?

I think a sword/axe is fine if you're a monk, but I don't usually see other caster classes lugging around a melee weapon. Elementalists in particular do not really need the permanent +5 energy from a sword/axe, since they have Energy Storage already. A sword/axe does give you extra life, but a staff does the same thing, although it does give you less energy. There're other bonuses on a wand that are not available on a sword or axe, such as fast cast or fast recharge. Elementalists in general need fast cast and recharge a lot more than they need that little piece of energy.

News to me. Wands/staves can give huge energy bonuses and a chance to decrease recharge time/increase effectiveness of spells. And most spellcasters try to stay out of melee.

Don't recall opponents being knocked down, so I'd guess no. She mainly used it to pull, then switched to her hammer. Other party members asked her (in a friendly way) why she was using a bow and hammer, but she never answered.

That's almost right, but not quite. THIS is right:

Mesmer: Me/* LFG

you're a monk, NO SYMPATHY. I HATE YOU!!!!!















lolz, you thought I was serious.

*bestows pity*

A sword or axe can give a +5 constant energy bonus as well as having a 20% enchant bonus as well. if you have a +12 offhand, that's a solid +17 energy, and 20% longer enchantments something that casters cannot get with anything else, but have to sacrifice 2 energy and a 20/20 bonus for. It really depends on what you want.

Yes I agree. I definitely stick on a +5e +30hp or +5e +20% enchant sword/axe with my monk, however I don't with other classes. The double HCT or HSR from a wand and an off-hand is great for a spirit spammer when it takes 5 secs to cast something and 30-60 sec to normally have the skill resharged. I'd rather have a HSC on a MM for example, to counter eventual opposing corpses stealers, etc., etc.

Did you forget the +5 while over 50% health wands you can get? swords are good for some situations, staffs and wands are good for other situations

But.. talking about idiotic players.. mo/e who ran heal party, purge condition and.. FIRESTORM! in Aurora Glade. My mistake for not asking the monk what type he/she is playing though.. but I REALLY didn't expect firstorm or heal party for under 50 points

I just adore all these wankers who wear dragon masks during battle. How cute!

yes I love my mask too, but you have 0 armor vs a headshot and you lack a +1 attribute. I especially hate this when I am a monk and I need to keep these boneheads alive.

"ha ha 1 hit and i died wtf hax"

no...you're a dork!

I monk in Thunderhead Keep a LOT and I love playing with PUGs. Of course playing there as many times as I have, I've given up on repeating "Don't aggro that huge group of heretics down there!" If you've played THK a few times, you've pretty much seen most of the stupid moves that can be made in the game. Everytime you play it's a totally different mission. I haven't ran into any other mission that gives you the thrill of constantly saving people from the brink of death. A lot of people ask me why I punish myself this way (since most players hate THK with a passion). I guess I just enjoy monking and THK is the one pve mission where you can really test your ability. I know many people will say this is an easy mission. I've henched it many times myself, but with most PUGs, THK is very chaotic. It's just a great way to pass time while getting a few pretty good drops and getting a few good laughs.

LOL... I had a very similar case the night when I finally decided to move over to US-servers. Had a PUG that looked quite nicely composed, the leader communicated in english, he was friendly etc.
Went on to mission, the leader started to ping on the map and draw - not a single word from him after the mission was initiated, two of the guys were frenchmen and chatted only with each other (in French of course), few people must have had TS or something because they went around as a pair and never said a word for the rest of us.
Can't remember who the rest were... but anyway, it was a disastrous and most furiating GW-experience I've had, and just gave me a good reason to get over to US, where (at least most) people speak english.
It was not about the skill of the players, but lack of common language for team communication - which I should have myself have checked out as well.

Oh btw... we managed to struggle through that mission - think it was Frost Gate

But then again, Ive ressed a monk only to not be ressed back.

It works vice versa alot of monks like to chose who to heal, and which team to join.

bottom line here is that pugs in pve and pvp will have its share of morons.

the difference is that pve pugs tend to have a bigger share of morons due to the fact that a brain isn't required to beat pve.

hey, that sounds like me and uw/fow =)
although i prefer uw because most of the time it's more of a challenge as a monk. Seriously, playing a monk in this game you almost never ever play the same game twice! It's mostly due to the fact that you aren't attacking the computer AI enemy which reacts the same way, spawns in the same places, and follows the same paths. You're focused on keeping players alive who can often do all sorts of stupid and unpredicatable things. And that's what makes it fun.

The challenge of saving that necro from a critical aatxe hit (after making his girly scream, lol, that always makes me laugh), right after protecting the other monk, and finishing just in time to keep the warrior going. The decisions you have to make as a monk are always different and must be made quickly. One slip up, and the other player that may have lived could be dead. Therein lies the fun and challenge of monking.

And that's why I enjoy going w/ pugs. You will see some amazing things, some new things, and as always some really and truly horribly stupid things. But its also a chance to show new players how to aggro, how warriors should not be timid, and casters how to stay out of harms way. And in UW, after dying a few times from an aatxe or multiple meteor showers, players learn fast =)
It's nice to see some groups come wonderfully together into a smart, cohesive unit.

Although this can happen in any area of the game, I think UW/fow works best as most people are most often there to have fun (not full of people trying to run through missions, or farm greens), although less in fow. And if your group truly sucks, well, the pain will be short & quick heh.

PUGS are great!


oh, and if there were no idiots in this game, I'm afraid the game would be too easy and boring !