I'm sorry if I sound elitest...
Today I tried to farm for Rotscale and got totally flamed for being noob cause i didn't know what to do.
Im not blaming all pve'ers but some of tehm are just like the elite pvpvers.
I do win halls about once a day (not exagerating)
I don't hold for along time or anything...but i play enough to get there and win from time to time. (y does that matter?)
sick of hohers?
Sister Brianne
duanstar
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Originally Posted by Sister Brianne
I don't hold for along time or anything...but i play enough to get there and win from time to time. (y does that matter?)
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Winning halls is the best technique to enlarge your e-p. I agree: it's rather absurd how highly people think of their fame. I guess it's the same idea if you finally get that incorrigable ale-hound or legendary survivor and really want to flaunt it.
Eviance
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Originally Posted by Satai Katalya
people are different, if your going to run around assuming things are the same then you dont get the point.
People are great players in different ways. Heck I probably suck in some regards to HA and in other situations quite well. Too much bitching not enough fun being had. |
You couldn't get me to successfully monk in HA even if you put my build together and told me where to throw the skills. I make a pretty crappy mesmer in HA as well. I can run a decent necro warrior hate build but so what? I can run a necro spike decently but I still sometimes have timing issues....
But I can do pretty danged well on my Ranger or my Warrior. They aren't cookie cutter builds even if those builds have been tried. I think the issue is that people take HA a lot more seriously and cut people down out of meaness or their greediness for the win. I am not saying that we should throw away our teams and good streaks for someone with NO experience. But at the same time, don't wave your rank around like it makes you a God and then sit there kicking newb players in and out of your group for fun.
The issue is not the builds or the rank, its the people behind them and their mentality or lack there of... AKA Immaturity.
To the OP: Yes hun its frustrating but you can find excellent groups that are open to you, it just takes some looking is all. However dont be so strong willed that you aren't willing to make a change for the team. If they say one of your skills would be better with something else, say "sure I will give it a try" If it doesn't work let them know.
*sighs* Old thoughts new threads....
My current opinion of HA is that it's a sawmill for noobs with nubs.
(Meaning, that right now... even henchway can win the "mission". I miss the challenge... some of its come back but, meh still seems lacking from its former glory.)
B Ephekt
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Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin
players need to pull their heads outta their own asses long enough to realize that altho i'm rank 0, I still may be good.
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Imo, rank 0-3 shoud be a learning period where you learn about builds, tactics and the HA meta, while building up a friends list. Your first 180 fame is the hardest to get, but it does get easier. Also, you will soon learn that rank is near usless when you have a good friends list.
pigdestroyer
so the conclusion is anyone whos got higher rank than me is an iwayer noob that I could pwn
stop whining and get ranked if its so easy getting it
stop whining and get ranked if its so easy getting it
BigTru
I won't let anyone into my group who isn't rank 8/9 or more, unless I or one of my friends know them personaly, they belong to a respectable guild, or I have observed them.
I don't care what anyone says, the more rank you have usually = the more HoH experience you have. A rank 9 is usually much better than a rankless player.
Time is money. HoH runs can last hours. Why exactly should I waste an hour getting to Hall of Heroes, only to find out our warder doesn't know how the actual HoH works?
I don't care what anyone says, the more rank you have usually = the more HoH experience you have. A rank 9 is usually much better than a rankless player.
Time is money. HoH runs can last hours. Why exactly should I waste an hour getting to Hall of Heroes, only to find out our warder doesn't know how the actual HoH works?
Skuld
Heh, I have 70% tyrian explorer on my char and I never get picked!!
duanstar
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Originally Posted by BigTru
I won't let anyone into my group who isn't rank 8/9 or more, unless I or one of my friends know them personaly, they belong to a respectable guild, or I have observed them.
I don't care what anyone says, the more rank you have usually = the more HoH experience you have. A rank 9 is usually much better than a rankless player. Time is money. HoH runs can last hours. Why exactly should I waste an hour getting to Hall of Heroes, only to find out our warder doesn't know how the actual HoH works? |
You should read this. It's a French classic about a businessman and a smart little prince: http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/chapter13.html
Yarly
I would consider myself a PvE'er, 2 fow armors, 6.2 mil exp on my elle, 4.5 mil on my monk, ive just made a new mesmer and am already 70 ectos and 44 shards to her fow armor.
But, im also rank 8, with about 260 fame left till rank 9. GMC on the elle, Advanced Skill Hunter on the monk. Yes... I agree its bloody hard getting suitably ranked when your at 3 fame. So just stick at it! Pug after Pug after Pugh will get you to rank 3 (Your First Emote) Then from there onwards start looking for a guild which does HA more oftern. Don't whine on about why its hard or why you can't do it, your not the only one thats felt that, but id say about 90% of the high ranked people were in the same position.
If you want it, just get on with it!
But, im also rank 8, with about 260 fame left till rank 9. GMC on the elle, Advanced Skill Hunter on the monk. Yes... I agree its bloody hard getting suitably ranked when your at 3 fame. So just stick at it! Pug after Pug after Pugh will get you to rank 3 (Your First Emote) Then from there onwards start looking for a guild which does HA more oftern. Don't whine on about why its hard or why you can't do it, your not the only one thats felt that, but id say about 90% of the high ranked people were in the same position.
If you want it, just get on with it!
Helll is for Heroes
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Same level of achievement imho.
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BigTru
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I said I have no reason to accept a low rank player in my group who I don't know. I'm not saying all of them are bad or all high ranked players are better, but I'd rather take my chances with a higher ranked player because they're better than lower ranked players more often than not. No point wasting time giving low ranked players a shot.
Navaros
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Originally Posted by Aussie AJMW
i am sick to death of hearing the absolute BS of people who think there good because they can follow a build set up by someone else. all i hear is IM A RANK 6 ect ect well guess what its just a title. i have friend of the luxons and 86.2% explored. id like to hear some funny stories about this please
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Sure rank can be grinded, but it still takes skill to do so.
Those who do not have the skill and fortitude to grind rank also - and instead all they can do is complain about better-ranked players - are indeed not good players, and not the sort of players any good player would take into his party. Serves them right that their destiny is to forever complain about "woe is me" on fan forums whilst all the good high-ranked players are winning HoH.
Rank does indeed indicate skill. How often do unranked parties win HoH? Almost never.
How often to R9+ parties win HoH? All the time.
Jealously-based rank whining from bad, unranked players really needs to stop.
End of story.
Tingi
I'm rank 4 currently (I've only won Halls once with a r6+ group that called on me to monk cuz im in their friends list
). However I love PvP AND PvE. I used to HA all the time, but then i realised that the grind was just too tedious. So I hardly do it anymore. My favourite is GvG and im in a top 300 guild which I find very fun indeed. I prefer the lengthier battles rather than the faster paced HA.
IMO fame isn't a problem, it's jealous players AND elitist players. Of course I admit if some r9 flashes his emote, I think "oh i wish I was r9" becuase who doesn't? But I won't complain about it. They worked hard for their fame and I could easily get my r9 by going to HA every day and grinding it. However I choose not too and I hone my skills in GvG instead.
However elitist rank players need to stop and think about themselves. With "power" (fame??) makes your head become MASSIVE :P. If a r6 + is LF a monk or whatever in HA, they usually let my in because I am polite and say what build I am. Those are the players I like, who give people lower in rank a chance.
). However I love PvP AND PvE. I used to HA all the time, but then i realised that the grind was just too tedious. So I hardly do it anymore. My favourite is GvG and im in a top 300 guild which I find very fun indeed. I prefer the lengthier battles rather than the faster paced HA.IMO fame isn't a problem, it's jealous players AND elitist players. Of course I admit if some r9 flashes his emote, I think "oh i wish I was r9" becuase who doesn't? But I won't complain about it. They worked hard for their fame and I could easily get my r9 by going to HA every day and grinding it. However I choose not too and I hone my skills in GvG instead.
However elitist rank players need to stop and think about themselves. With "power" (fame??) makes your head become MASSIVE :P. If a r6 + is LF a monk or whatever in HA, they usually let my in because I am polite and say what build I am. Those are the players I like, who give people lower in rank a chance.
vaxmor
cry more.
Celios
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Originally Posted by Navaros
I am sick to death of jealous, unranked people lodging illegitimate complaints about high-ranked people.
Sure rank can be grinded, but it still takes skill to do so. Those who do not have the skill and fortitude to grind rank also - and instead all they can do is complain about better-ranked players - are indeed not good players, and not the sort of players any good player would take into his party. Serves them right that their destiny is to forever complain about "woe is me" on fan forums whilst all the good high-ranked players are winning HoH. Rank does indeed indicate skill. How often do unranked parties win HoH? Almost never. How often to R9+ parties win HoH? All the time. Jealously-based rank whining from bad, unranked players really needs to stop. End of story. |
Sometimes a high-ranked group will get impatient and grab a lower ranked player. More often than not, that player is kicked 1-2 runs later. Why? Because, sadly, they simply don't know what they're doing.
I might also add that the low-ranked players' impression that the r9+ community does nothing but grind fame couldn't be more wrong. Most good groups will simply rack up 50+ fame in a run or two by virtue of being - get this - good groups. Just because you're doing 1 fame IWAY runs doesn't mean the rest of us are grinding our lives away too.
nightwatchman
The problem with trying to measure skill is that there is not one "good at guild wars" skill. Farming 55/SS in UW is a skill, but farming spiders in FoW is a different skill and they can't really be equated. Likewise, in regular pve, a good ele might not be a good monk, etc.
Similarly even in halls, an experienced tank isn't necessarily someone you want running sb/infuse.
One thing the HoH ranks do guarantee though is that you know the maps, and have probably fought *against* a wide variety of different builds and know how to counter some/most of them.
I do gotta say that there is nothing more painful than watching someone in Hells Precipice, etc. posing with his tiger as if luring titans is a HoH skill.
Similarly even in halls, an experienced tank isn't necessarily someone you want running sb/infuse.
One thing the HoH ranks do guarantee though is that you know the maps, and have probably fought *against* a wide variety of different builds and know how to counter some/most of them.
I do gotta say that there is nothing more painful than watching someone in Hells Precipice, etc. posing with his tiger as if luring titans is a HoH skill.
Mera Regila
I recently had a funny experiance with someoen with a high rank. I was arguing with him, saying vampiric did way more damage than sundering in the long run. He argued saying sundering is better i only said that cause I couldn't afford sundering >_> I told him calculations, he knew he was beat. All he had to say was.
"Im rank 9, get a life."
BIGGEST contradiction id ever heard. Everyone i told thought it was halarious.
"Im rank 9, get a life."
BIGGEST contradiction id ever heard. Everyone i told thought it was halarious.
Mera Regila
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I am sick to death of jealous, unranked people lodging illegitimate complaints about high-ranked people.
Sure rank can be grinded, but it still takes skill to do so. Those who do not have the skill and fortitude to grind rank also - and instead all they can do is complain about better-ranked players - are indeed not good players, and not the sort of players any good player would take into his party. Serves them right that their destiny is to forever complain about "woe is me" on fan forums whilst all the good high-ranked players are winning HoH. Rank does indeed indicate skill. How often do unranked parties win HoH? Almost never. How often to R9+ parties win HoH? All the time. Jealously-based rank whining from bad, unranked players really needs to stop. End of story. |
Truth to be told some high ranked people are just bad, end of story. Though you and some of your friends may be good, others are very bad at PvP.
Stockholm
I worked in a very PvP like enviroment for 20+ years(pro sport) and found that the ones that let fame go to there heads very quickly went down hill, the coockier they got the more bussines they lost, untill they where the laughing stock of the industry. No matter how good you get DO NOT FORGETT WHERE YOU CAME FROM. The road to the top is long and hard but the road to the bottom is very short and quick. If you can help someone on the way up, the same way you got helped on your way to the top, that makes you the better in the long run.
And to those that like to flash and gloat after winning a match, You don't deserve to win, show some dignety and pride in what you accomplish but remember that there is allways someone better chasing your ass.
And to those that like to flash and gloat after winning a match, You don't deserve to win, show some dignety and pride in what you accomplish but remember that there is allways someone better chasing your ass.
Voltar
even 'good at pvp' is relative. i blow at ha because grouping is so tedious at r2 which i've gotten from friends telling me, "dude, make an orders real quick," or, "we need a bonder in ha." i'm not so bad at ab or aspenwood and i would probably never even try that build in ha. gvg i'd run around with my finger up my nose probably because i've never been in a gvg guild before.
that's one of the really cool parts of this game. a lot of options and variations.
that's one of the really cool parts of this game. a lot of options and variations.
The Whakka
my $.02
the op is getting rank discrimminated on for not having rank, is really starting to get frustrated. im in the same boat, but i havent given up, and i wouldnt start a thread bashing all ranked ha players, because they wont take me. instead i get into pug groups with whatever build we come up with and give it a shot like that. this has been going on for a week (my first char just turned a year and i never even tried hoh), and im currently at 22 fame. i dont win alot, ive made it to hall 1 time and lost. the downside is that its really slow going and very aggrivating at times. but, the upside is that i am acually learning how to play ha. im not farming iway or bloodspike teams, but i do get into those groups if thats whats going on atm. im learning alot of builds and how skills are working together from different players(like eoe bomb, my personal favorite build), the maps, and earning genuine exp. as an ha player. i think this is the way it should be done, anyways, no matter how irritating it is to be discriminated against. i know ppl buy ranked accounts and pay to farm fame and all that, but it just aint me. i know that i am getting better, and i think i have the right attitude, too.
the op is getting rank discrimminated on for not having rank, is really starting to get frustrated. im in the same boat, but i havent given up, and i wouldnt start a thread bashing all ranked ha players, because they wont take me. instead i get into pug groups with whatever build we come up with and give it a shot like that. this has been going on for a week (my first char just turned a year and i never even tried hoh), and im currently at 22 fame. i dont win alot, ive made it to hall 1 time and lost. the downside is that its really slow going and very aggrivating at times. but, the upside is that i am acually learning how to play ha. im not farming iway or bloodspike teams, but i do get into those groups if thats whats going on atm. im learning alot of builds and how skills are working together from different players(like eoe bomb, my personal favorite build), the maps, and earning genuine exp. as an ha player. i think this is the way it should be done, anyways, no matter how irritating it is to be discriminated against. i know ppl buy ranked accounts and pay to farm fame and all that, but it just aint me. i know that i am getting better, and i think i have the right attitude, too.
Stockholm
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BTW...In order to do those UW runs you rely on us PvPers....(America has taken favor from Europe)
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You play PvP because of the Bot's BTW.
art_
Its really Anets fault for having such an abysmal lack of any grouping system for HA. You really have to put in a lot of effort to get any kind of non iway groups together.
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And its really not hard to play something else then iway. Find yourself a guild and you will never play iway again. If you'e not ranked, no problem. There are still plenty of guilds around that recruit non ranked players. If they give you a chance, stop whining and take it.
Taurucis
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And its really not hard to play something else then iway. Find yourself a guild and you will never play iway again. If you'e not ranked, no problem. There are still plenty of guilds around that recruit non ranked players. If they give you a chance, stop whining and take it.
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Rank ≠ skill.
My unranked ViM group once beat a r6+ balanced group. Another unranked ViM group I was in once beat Wee Free Men.
I wonder why the ranked people don't like unranked people. It's a box of chocolates out there, you're bound to get something you really like. One funny thing I find about really high ranked people...the higher the rank is, the less creative they seem to be ¬¬
Once I was trying to get a PuG for arborstone. A team invited me in, and then this W/Mo with expensive looking armor (multicolor dye! can't beat that!) began spamming me "tell em let me in" So I told him to do it himself. He said that the team leader was ignoring him. I asked why, and he replied that "they dont like me cause im better than them" and proceeded to flash a rank 9 emote in my face.
I asked the team leader about the Wammo, and she said that he had been in the team, but his pompous attitude had cost them the mission right at the end. (10 minutes into the mission I err7'd again -.-)When I completed the mission with henchmen on a different computer, I warped back and noticed that the wammo was still there.
IMO rank discrimination stems from no-life people who play guild wars all day and have to diss other players because they're insecure and need a few heads to step on to feel good.
eternal pho
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Witch is a fact that does not need to be rubbed in more than it's allready been done.
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Sweetest
im r10, have fissure on 5 characters,
and survivor on 3 characters, grand master cartographer on my monk and eliet skill hunter on my warrior
<3 guild wars
anyways something ive noticed is , that pvpers are better then pvers at pve
like pvpers have a basic understanding of what works and what doesnt and knows their role in the team and how they are too contribute, whereas pvers run whatever the hell they want.
i cringe when i see that Mo/R with charm animal or warriors who dont know how to tank, or something ridiculous like that.
beside the fact that pve is a joke
like the first group to beat Urgoz Warden was a pug from top pvp guilds.
and i agree with the fact that there is alot of bad ranked players, but overall pvpers > pvers @ pve.
and survivor on 3 characters, grand master cartographer on my monk and eliet skill hunter on my warrior
<3 guild wars
anyways something ive noticed is , that pvpers are better then pvers at pve
like pvpers have a basic understanding of what works and what doesnt and knows their role in the team and how they are too contribute, whereas pvers run whatever the hell they want.
i cringe when i see that Mo/R with charm animal or warriors who dont know how to tank, or something ridiculous like that.
beside the fact that pve is a joke
like the first group to beat Urgoz Warden was a pug from top pvp guilds.
and i agree with the fact that there is alot of bad ranked players, but overall pvpers > pvers @ pve.
nohooiam
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anyways something ive noticed is , that pvpers are better then pvers at pve
like pvpers have a basic understanding of what works and what doesnt and knows their role in the team and how they are too contribute, whereas pvers run whatever the hell they want. i cringe when i see that Mo/R with charm animal or warriors who dont know how to tank, or something ridiculous like that. beside the fact that pve is a joke like the first group to beat Urgoz Warden was a pug from top pvp guilds. and i agree with the fact that there is alot of bad ranked players, but overall pvpers > pvers @ pve. |
its only because organized gameplay isn't a requirement to complete pve.
Winds
Besides, Most of the pvp players arent JUST pvp players. Alot of the effective and good teams consists of PVE made characters, so that you can take advantage of weapons and armor. For example, if against a blood spike, our infuser would switch to his health set, boosting his health to like 550-600 or something.
im 500-600 away from r9 and whenever Im on guildwars, im usually troll farming or something with my warrior to get better looking weapons.. I don't pug or anything.
im 500-600 away from r9 and whenever Im on guildwars, im usually troll farming or something with my warrior to get better looking weapons.. I don't pug or anything.
Stockholm
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Originally Posted by Sweetest
beside the fact that pve is a joke
like the first group to beat Urgoz Warden was a pug from top pvp guilds. and i agree with the fact that there is alot of bad ranked players, but overall pvpers > pvers @ pve. |
And as far as PvE being a joke , yes it's a game, but the real joke is the PvP ppl that think they are important because of what they have done in a GAME. (Go to a job interview and tell them that you had rank 9 in GW and see where that get's you, right out the back door)
Come back when you have done something with your Life and are playing for the fun of it.
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Now how often does America really have the favor at the right time..
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Alleji
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Originally Posted by forelli3600
Its not Anets fault that ppl play iway you know.
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Nerf OoA and IWAY will only be played by idiots, just like before factions.
Yichi
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my $.02
the op is getting rank discrimminated on for not having rank, is really starting to get frustrated. im in the same boat, but i havent given up, and i wouldnt start a thread bashing all ranked ha players, because they wont take me. instead i get into pug groups with whatever build we come up with and give it a shot like that. this has been going on for a week (my first char just turned a year and i never even tried hoh), and im currently at 22 fame. i dont win alot, ive made it to hall 1 time and lost. the downside is that its really slow going and very aggrivating at times. but, the upside is that i am acually learning how to play ha. im not farming iway or bloodspike teams, but i do get into those groups if thats whats going on atm. im learning alot of builds and how skills are working together from different players(like eoe bomb, my personal favorite build), the maps, and earning genuine exp. as an ha player. i think this is the way it should be done, anyways, no matter how irritating it is to be discriminated against. i know ppl buy ranked accounts and pay to farm fame and all that, but it just aint me. i know that i am getting better, and i think i have the right attitude, too. |
Helll is for Heroes
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Yes, actually it is.
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Beat_Go_Stick
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Originally Posted by Ventius Hozza
I hate it when people say "I think I'll stick to having fun rather than playing PvP". It doesn't work like that because you're not on the correct side of the argument. It's no fun because you haven't persevered to become anything big in PvP. Trust me, when things go your way in PvP, it's the best feeling you could have in GW.
It's much like if I go into FoW for the first time as an only-PvP player, then I could say "OMGWTFBBQ this is too hard I quit, I'd much rather have fun in PvP", or I could keep at it. Eventually I'd start enjoying it, no? |
"stick to having fun rather than playing HA" ≠ "stick to having fun rather than playing PvP"
In my book, a big part of "having fun" means avoiding assholes. HA is chok-full of assholes. Sure, not all people who want to play in high rank teams are jerks.....hell, I don't blame them. What I don't enjoy is the people who feel like they are holier than thou because they ground out their rank 6 months ago.
*shrug* When I said HA was not for me, I say it because the majority of people in there are not very fun to be around. I've enjoyed GvG since day 1. You just assuming that "I can't cut it in any PvP situation because I think HA is lame and pointless" is a perfect example of why I can't stand the people in HA
Flabber Babble
Well, here's my dilemma.
I'm fairly good at PvP, but with no rank under my belt, I'ts hard to get into a group for HA.... so.... you have to have rank to be accepted, and you have to play HA to get rank.... so where do you fit yourself in here?
Just food for thought, this is why guild's are an amazing thing.
I'm fairly good at PvP, but with no rank under my belt, I'ts hard to get into a group for HA.... so.... you have to have rank to be accepted, and you have to play HA to get rank.... so where do you fit yourself in here?
Just food for thought, this is why guild's are an amazing thing.
Skuld
You play unranked?.. try play balanced or when all the kiddies are at school/in bed.
Mortis
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Now that I think about it, what is the real barometer of who is more skilled than some1 else in this game? Lets look at it from a perspective title wise..
Rank:fame-farming is possible, so therefor it can always be assumed that this is how the player obtained their ranking. Wisdom seeker/treasure:Absolutly does not show player skill. Explorer:running around, or just fighting things in ur way Lucky/unlucky:afk title FoW armor:EBAYING NOOB! Etc.. Etc.. it goes on, and there is no diffinitive way to tell who is better than some1 else. Guild wars might as well publicly admit that the game is a grinders game, even though they want to give the illusion its not. |
I think people generalize way too often!
lishi
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Personally, I'm offended by the comment about FoW armour. Alot of us have earned it through months of hard work. Who are you to it's from Ebay?
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People tend to generalize and shit talk about thing they dont know
Sanji
I'll only make eBay/iway cracks to someone who is annoying me by hootin' and hollarin' about their FoW/Rank in situations that it really doesn't matter.
It tends to irritate them, which does much to cheer me up.
It tends to irritate them, which does much to cheer me up.
fiery
Another rank rant thread, gg.