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clarianaeneas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/E

29 Jul 2006 at 03:32 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGgold

MY ONLY CHANGE would be their underwear. It's like...lacy O_O

BUT IT FITS WITH THE THEME!! Everything else is gay about them, why can't the underwear be gay too?

And no, I won't be making a female to oogle at. I for one believe "oogling" is wrong no matter who's doing it, which is why I've made all male characters even though some look much worse than the female version (warriors and monks for example).

The point is, with ALL classes, there's some choice, with paragons it seems you're stuck. At least we're trying to make sure that we are given the choice once the actual game goes live.

shrike98

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

Austin, TX

E/Me

29 Jul 2006 at 03:38 - 42

Considering the general rule I've noticed is the higher the armour rating on the female characters, the less covered they are. Let alone, all the female rangers and ele are REALLY busty depending on their outfits. And let's not leave out the jiggle when an ele dances. OH, and the rit's look like they're pole dancers -- HAWT. lol.

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

29 Jul 2006 at 03:51 - 43

/not signed - I think the armor looks really good. Fits the whole roman/greek/carthage look that north africa held at the time. I only wish that instead of chucking spears that magically re-appeared in their hand, they held it and meleed with it... much like the players ranger seem to have mystic arrows or an invisible quiver...

Eragon Dragonslayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Right Behind You

The Raven Evolution [wvw]

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29 Jul 2006 at 03:56 - 44

/signed id rather have pants instead of a man skirt...or at least have armor choices with pants or skirts...

Morganas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

29 Jul 2006 at 03:58 - 45

/not signed. As it stands, the male paragons have the coolest looking armor in the game. It might look kinda skimpy when your guys standing there on the character creation screen, but it looks badass when he's running around hucking spears at people.

EndoftheSyringe

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Apathetic Eaters of Babies

W/Mo

29 Jul 2006 at 04:25 - 46

I think the paragon armor is awesome. Honestly, if you are running around, chucking spears at people, you don't want to be in heavy armor weighing you down. And... "man skirt"? Long ago, MANY men wore skirts. Think about the cavemen. I'm not sure why it become "gay" for a man to wear a skirt. I really like the paragon because of the way they look.

And I assumed the Paragons were a sort of skirmisher. That's funny... because I was HOPING to god that the next new class would be a Skirmisher.

Skirmishers are infantry soldiers who are usually placed in a skirmish line to harass foes and protect their allies from similar attacks. They are usually lightly armed and lightly armored to move quickly across fields. In medieval war, Skirmishers carried ranged weapons of many sorts (bows, javelins, slings, etc.) and sometimes carried light shields. They aimed to disrupt their enemy's tactics by trying to tempt them into attacking too soon, or to delay their attack.

floppinghog

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

pit of brimstone

Squad Six Six Six [ssss]

A/Me

29 Jul 2006 at 05:40 - 47

first of all, this topic is retarded on the account as, we have seen only 3 armors sets..... freaking once again, chill and shut up, enjoy event, wait for release/pve preview event(if there is going to be one- i assuming so)

(you know what comes after 1), the armor is fine, the only thing that doesnt fit with the spearman/gladiator/angel theme is the head armor piece... unless its going to be totally different in other armors, i would suggest there be some hallows?? come on now lol or winged headbands THAT WOULD BE SWEET.

im willing to bet there will be a winged armor set -that will be sick. anyways the headpieces we do see are pretty shit, rip offs of ele designs. but once again this is beta, not pve, its all about the pvp. so DONT WORRY BOUT it, that goes for myself as well. but i still had to add to the topic nontheless.

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

29 Jul 2006 at 06:14 - 48

I love the armor anet should change it! it rocks and the armor is not over powered!

dam people already calling for a nerf! things are not even done yet! the armor is cool and different! It also takes places in hot weather that is the theme! It fits the theme.

Magnus_1

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/Me

29 Jul 2006 at 06:19 - 49

You know, I actually like the skirt the Paragon is wearing on guildwarsguru's home page. The other skirt is a different story; why did they make it cut up like that? And I still don't like the exposed tummy thing. I know gay guys who would think that was fruity.

But here's what I really don't get: why does an angelic being have to be effeminate? I've never imagined angels that way at all; of course they should be gorgeous, but they shouldn't look like fairies. It would have been so much better if ANet could have blended masculinity with beauty for the male Paragon.

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

29 Jul 2006 at 06:23 - 50

anet went with the skirts because of the time frame and theme.

my benediction

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

W/A

29 Jul 2006 at 06:42 - 51

do some of you people hear yourselves??? look at the paragon armor...now look at warriors gladiator armor. which one covers more? the paragon armor. now...paragons are the guardian angels of the elonian people or something like that right? when i think of an angel i think of a devine being wearing holy robes or something white and shiny, not some sort of dull bronze. if paragons are angels then they can bless their armor to give it more defence. thats probably what they did. yes the armor is derived from african/roman theme but they are angels, they gotta look divine and holy.

Solar_Takfar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

29 Jul 2006 at 06:58 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarianaeneas

for those who said it matches the theme....roman warriors/spearmen look like this....

isn't that a greek hoplite...

Quote:

if paragons are angels then they can bless their armor to give it more defence. thats probably what they did. yes the armor is derived from african/roman theme but they are angels, they gotta look divine and holy.

read that, while keeping in mind that angels are supposed to be genderless. things start to make sense.

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

29 Jul 2006 at 07:11 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solar_Takfar

isn't that a greek hoplite...

it looks good north africa was taken over by meny differnt kingdoms the armor looks cool it should not be changed! it is a fantasy game too!

Solar_Takfar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

29 Jul 2006 at 07:17 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamhunk

it looks good north africa was taken over by meny differnt kingdoms the armor looks cool it should not be changed! it is a fantasy game too!

well yea yea that's true, im just pointing out that the spearman outfit in that drawing isn't roman, it's greek.

General Surena

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Germany

None

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29 Jul 2006 at 08:34 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by EndoftheSyringe

Skirmishers are infantry soldiers who are usually placed in a skirmish line to harass foes and protect their allies from similar attacks. They are usually lightly armed and lightly armored to move quickly across fields. In medieval war, Skirmishers carried ranged weapons of many sorts (bows, javelins, slings, etc.) and sometimes carried light shields. They aimed to disrupt their enemy's tactics by trying to tempt them into attacking too soon, or to delay their attack.

Well said. It strikes me how people call for more realism while wanting less and less armour on female characters.

The only thing bothering me now is why Anet can't decide if the general theme is North-African or Central African or just Brooklyn?. Judging from the very few minutes I could enjoy in the PvP-Creating screen with Elonian Chars, the warriors are definitely Central-African, not to mention serving surprisingly accepted and pleasantly adopted stereotypes - in other words: "Yo, homie. Is that my altar you capped there?" *click click* *blamm* *blamm*
Then there are the Dervishes who are derived from Sufism, thus more Oriental than the "Punic" Paragon. At least they fit the NA theme. It might be a fantasy game but when the official word suggests a central theme, then please stick to it. It's not like we can't have another episode based on jungles and wide savannas.

Ellador Nae

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

GMT+1

29 Jul 2006 at 10:01 - 56

Absolutely /NOT signed - and this thread is really just an oppening for stupid comments

The paragon armor is just about the only thing that makes me wanna buy Nightfall atm. It will also be my first and only male char if I do buy it, I like the armor that much (even though I laughed at those gilded nipples and the suggestive skirt cuts :P ) Plus, he's properly proportioned - not a boil on two short stumps like the W.

And to all those schmoes with a thing about fairies and gays - get over yourself! No-one said you HAVE to make a Paragon.

Tuor Son Of Huor

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Final Exodus [FX]

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29 Jul 2006 at 10:03 - 57

/not signed

Compare to gladiator's armor for the warrior.

Case Closed. GG. pwned.

Tark Alkerk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

In a Black Hole

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29 Jul 2006 at 10:08 - 58

/not signed

if this was applyed to all armour ranger female 15k would have about 10 armour.
also it fits into the style of the game.

Mr.Deflok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wellington, New Zealand

Guardians of Dragon Temple

E/Me

29 Jul 2006 at 11:13 - 59

/not signed
/you're completely ignorant

ogami_ito

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

29 Jul 2006 at 11:52 - 60

SIGNED. Call me homerphobic if you want. Say that because I'm homerphobic I may be latently homosexual. I don't care. its just not manly to me and I want my hero to look manly. Not like some Greek boy-lover. Now...a Spartan man-lover...I have no problem with though.

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

R/

29 Jul 2006 at 12:42 - 61

/not signed

Pants was not used until late 7th centurey and later than that around the Medeteranian. Bedouins wear layers up on layers to keep the heat out(by insulating the body they can keep the temp around normal body temp).
If you guy's are so insecure in your sexuality that a fantasy game character makes you think about homosexuality you should really not be playing a game, your time would be better spent with a therapyst. Or out in the real world getting laid.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

29 Jul 2006 at 13:32 - 62

/Not Signed

The paragons are sort of like a cross between a Roman spearman and an Egyptian gaurd. And I agree with Sockholm you must be a homophobe if you can't handle a 3D character in a game.

mega_jamie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

UK

Warlords of Ruin

A/Mo

29 Jul 2006 at 14:34 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eclair

Plus, maybe a lot of female players like having a skimpily dressed male character for once <.< >.>

QFT

Although I'm not female, >< so you could say that players may enjoy a skimpy dressed male for once.

And to the original poster, you do know that you will eventually be able to make female Paras? and then you and all your heterosexual needs can be fulfilled looking at their skimpy costume.

Although personally I think they made a mistake in what gender/class u could play, id rather have male Derv and female Para

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

29 Jul 2006 at 14:40 - 64

/notsigned

Stop being annoying.

Raxxman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

TEOC

W/N

29 Jul 2006 at 14:52 - 65

/notsigned

Don't be silly

Way too many reasons that have all been explained.

And the Paragon shouldn't be compared to a hoplite (at least I wouldn't) as Hoplite fought with pikes and not throwing spears. Paragons are very much like Peltasts. They were fast and mobile (they didn't actually have any armour, just a shield), and the armour works for that theme.

Arknow

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Middle of Space, Corner of No and Where

Ell EFF GEE

R/

29 Jul 2006 at 14:53 - 66

how do such sexually represed people play a game like this to start with

get over yourselves and at least wait for it to go live before saying there is to much skin for your childish eyes

Electric Sky

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

29 Jul 2006 at 14:56 - 67

/not signed

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

R/

29 Jul 2006 at 15:02 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arknow

how do such sexually represed people play a game like this to start with

get over yourselves and at least wait for it to go live before saying there is to much skin for your childish eyes

LOL

It seams to me it's a bunch of over sexed american school kid's(so nerdy they can't get laid yet) or the prud's that try to ban Victorias Secrets catalog as beeing porn magazins,that are complaining over the armour.

Noose

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

Army of the Abyss

N/Mo

29 Jul 2006 at 15:05 - 69

hehe, i think everyone will stop complaining as soon as they see how revealing some of the female paragon's armor will be, 'cause you know it will be

TGgold

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Flying Gophers

Rt/P

29 Jul 2006 at 15:22 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by mega_jamie

QFT

Although I'm not female, >< so you could say that players may enjoy a skimpy dressed male for once.

And to the original poster, you do know that you will eventually be able to make female Paras? and then you and all your heterosexual needs can be fulfilled looking at their skimpy costume.

Although personally I think they made a mistake in what gender/class u could play, id rather have male Derv and female Para

We're in the same boat :P

clarianaeneas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/E

29 Jul 2006 at 15:23 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockholm

LOL

It seams to me it's a bunch of over sexed american school kid's(so nerdy they can't get laid yet) or the prud's that try to ban Victorias Secrets catalog as beeing porn magazins,that are complaining over the armour.

O RLY? You tell me who's worse: a 30 year old gamer who has nothing better to do than stare at half-naked game characters, or someone saying that the skimpy armors are not only demeaning, but don't make sense? (don't give me that crap about armors being magical - just look at all the female warrior armors, even plain old knight's armor has a huge cut to expose cleavage)

I thought Americans ideally encouraged the treatment of women as equal human beings. Why is it that they're treated as pieces of meat when it comes to advertizing, games, TV, movies, music, and the list goes on.

On a side note: We're not really asking for too much, all I want is for ANET to give us SOME decent Paragon armors when the game is released. Is that too much to ask? Liking skimpy armors is one thing, but forcing them upon other players is something entirely different.

LordLucifer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

29 Jul 2006 at 16:45 - 72

*sigh* most guys here are just homophobics
i actually like how they look like, if i had the choice i wouldnt change it at all, and full helmets? hell no! the floating thingies+blue eyes look awesome

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

29 Jul 2006 at 18:11 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordLucifer

*sigh* most guys here are just homophobics
i actually like how they look like, if i had the choice i wouldnt change it at all, and full helmets? hell no! the floating thingies+blue eyes look awesome

lol only the good looking guies are hppy with the change LOL

shrike98

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

Austin, TX

E/Me

29 Jul 2006 at 18:28 - 74

Reminds of the old joke 'How do you separate the men from boys -- with a crowbar'.

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

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29 Jul 2006 at 19:20 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarianaeneas

O RLY? You tell me who's worse: a 30 year old gamer who has nothing better to do than stare at half-naked game characters, or someone saying that the skimpy armors are not only demeaning, but don't make sense? (don't give me that crap about armors being magical - just look at all the female warrior armors, even plain old knight's armor has a huge cut to expose cleavage)

I thought Americans ideally encouraged the treatment of women as equal human beings. Why is it that they're treated as pieces of meat when it comes to advertizing, games, TV, movies, music, and the list goes on.

On a side note: We're not really asking for too much, all I want is for ANET to give us SOME decent Paragon armors when the game is released. Is that too much to ask? Liking skimpy armors is one thing, but forcing them upon other players is something entirely different.

Skimpy armour don't make sense? What about Maping makes sense? Casting spells make sense? Repetedly beating someone over the head with an Axe and he/she still lives make sense?

As far as women being threated like meat by the American media mashine who knows? They are americans, the land of contradictions.
Not liking skimpy armour is one thing, but forcing a armour change up on other players is something entirely different. It is up to developer and the graphics designer, is it not?
And there is allready skimpy armour in the game, so it not like they all of a sudden have gone to the extrem.
Is it?

Swampgirl Inez

"I love reading trash!"

Join Date: May 2005

Home Again

29 Jul 2006 at 19:41 - 76

Hmmm....

Only four pages to turn this into a "who's homophobic" discussion which really has nothing to do with the original post and is fast turning into flamebait...

Closed.