Paragon Potential

I feel like I'm the only Para that focuses on Spears. They make great caster-killers, since applying conditions and deep wound is so easy.

I used:
Barbed Spear,
Apply Poison,
er..the elite that dazes
Cruel Spear
the spear that interrupts (since it's condition heavy)
Troll Ungent...(yes, I need a better selfheal)
Tiger's Fury (to build up adr. and to make sure casters don't get to cast while dazes...)
Res Sig

It just makes taking down casters too easy o.o Even a boon-prot has trouble...the sheer amoutn of conditions...Worst Case: They're too busy healing themselves to heal the rest of the team.

THE only thing I feel wrong is that I don't utilize the leadership :/ It makes me feel like something's missing. If Leadership got an IAS, I'd be all over it o.o;

If you dont use leadership, make the same character as a R/p for expertice. Thats what everyone else is doing, and since the damage isnt enough for spiking anyway, you get much higher dps with expertice. Lightning strike has a low recharge and good damage, take advantage of it

Anyways, i agree with the rest of you, and I feel the paragon would be able to do an even greater role in 8vs8 than in 4vs4, since most skills apply to all allies. I wouldn't be surpriced to see the WoH or the RC-prot being switched out for a buff-paragon in balanced builds in the future

I prefer having a 16 in spear though :/
I get where you're going, but I really don't have energy problems. O.o;
I used to use lightnign spear, but I prefer Cruel for the Deep Wound.
I think that that skill alone makes it possible to spike...

I don't hate paragons. I'm just playing around with mine to figure how best I can use it to suit my play style.

Echo skills are going to be abused heavily. There is 1 that makes all shouts and chants last for 50% longer. That will increase the paragon to 15 duration on most chants with a 20 recharge.

Help Me! is going to be so nice. Spells cast on you by allies casting time is reduced by 50%. Am I missing something here or was balth aura's casting changed to 2 seconds for a reason?

The chants go great with barrage rangers. They can use 1 attack to hit mulitple foes. They are also great for dervishes. I can see smite pressure builds with dervishs and paragon chants for huge pressure.

D/R with apply poison, Paragon with Burning Finally, AoE smiter, and Tainted necro. Throw in a Mel's arrow ranger......you get the point?

Its just a flesh wound is the most powerful elite they have. 5e shout 4 recharge. Because its a shout it will never interrupt any action you are doing. The target does not have to be within range for it to remove the conditions. Plague sending will be sending the that deep wound straight to the other party from a ranged distance. Oh ya.....sending will also give it to all Adjacent foes to your target....gg. I don't even want to think about what Fevered Dreams is to interact with all of this.

Paragon is going to be the sleeper class. It seems underrated right now but people will catch on as more organized play testing goes on.

Paragon will get more popular and I can see one or two in all Good PVP guild builds.

Like I've said before I think overall Paragons have more power then Dervish.

The build I'm using right now...

Paragon/Ranger
Wilderness Survival: 12
Spear Mastery: 14 (1+3)
Command: 9 (+1)

Lightning Spear, Barbed Spear, Blazing Spear, Stunning Strike, Apply Poison, Dyraders Defense, Troll Ungeunt, Res Signet

Its so easy to kill with this build... Charge up adreline unload on a monk and they're dead in seconds. Mind you this is only really good for RA, this build is very easy to survive with. I've taken down Warriors, Dervishes, Casters... Everything with this.

a paragon is a good char in the rigth hands, dervish is just kinda tanking - But a good dervish still takes skill - its like shoving a warrior in the hands of a newb (as in new player) and watching them take on mantids, its easy but still takes some sorting out.

I agree the paragon needs to have his ranger increased, currently their more like a "you over there" commander than a "battlefield" commander

Discussion has been put before for runes for classes free of health loss, such as warrior absorption...perhaps a Rune of Shouting can be introduced for range increase.

I liked playing both Dervish and Para. I think the Derv got over played simply because people noticed the exploitability and ran with it. Once everything balances out I think Paras will get alot more use.

Yay, more people who like Paragon more than Dervs..

I was surprised to notice how good the Paragons are at playing a major support role for the party. I especially like their skill... forgot the name, gives you energy regeneration until you cast your next spell? thats a good one to have.

I'm in love with their heals and shouts... Some good potential in that class

I'm even geting used to their attire^^

Paragons are sure very powerfull character class. After dervish will get nerfed and that 8 de/mos panic will end then i guess ppl will apreciate the support that paragons can give to the team. Actually I think that paragons are also overpowered but in more subtle way than dervishes. Also I think that implementing them will change metagame a lot.

I regret that Dervishes didn't get fully adjusted before the weekend ended. Too many people went after the cheap and fast fame/rank/glad points to ever see how useful the Paragon is. I see the Rit being put out to pasture by the Paragon come Chapter 3.

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paragon imo is like mesmer...

they are good 2nd profession but as a 1st not so much..

imo again..

Ugh... I'll pretend I didnt see the above statement about Mesmers being only good as a 2ndary...

Paragons are fairly boring to me, is all I can say. I attempted to make myself slighly interested in the profession but it is just so supportive and lacking any character of its own that it was completely impossible. I do acknowledge the benefit of having one in an 8 person team but the one thing I'm going to agree with DeathShadowX is we will most likely see the Paragon used as a 2ndary- no need to waste a whole slot on an entirely supportive character that other than support cant do jack.

I like going A/P now thats a critical spear

i'll say this. there were some paragons that took me danw even with my CoP derv build

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Devishs are just like touch rangers, a noob build made for quick kills with no skills what so ever. Paragon was the first profession I tried, and I got more kills with that, just using basic spear skils, with traps then I did with the devish profession. Notice this however, that both professions lack in elete skill numbers.

I think we are going to see more Devish/monks, and Paragon/ritualists in the near future do to how the professons seem to work best together.

What pisses me off is that these new professions lack are not orignial, but combonations of existing characters with extra modifications, I have noticed the a paragon is a ranger, warrior mix, weapon is like a bow, but with a faster attack speed, and armore likw a war, but with elemental bonus like ranger armor, damage for spear is almost the same as a bow.

Devish is a monk/warrior combo, armored like a monk, weapon like an axe, except more powerfull, and skills offer better self protection. I am sure there are more, but I did not explore the profession that much, some basic observations.

I hope next time they make a thief , the thief would have skills to steal treasure with out attacking off monsters, lock pick to open chest with out keys, and stealth plus back stab to spike and kills things in one or two hits.

I feel the only real way to get to know these professions is to wait until nightfall comes out, then create them and go threw the missions to understand their true mechanics. I will admit when Factions came out for beta, I could not understand how a rit or sin worked, untill I developed both professions, I also used to think assasins sucked until I understood how the build works, now I can see that they are better at dealing direct damage, more so then a warrior, but like a caster lack in the absorption of it. I say we will have to wait and see how these professions truely progress.

I don't care what people think, stand alone or not, the games can be linked, and it adds the colection of the series.

I have built an offensive GvG spike paragon, but the fact that I spent the weekend moving kept me from being able to test it. So, I'll post the theory here:


Anthem of Envy -- 6A, 1 cast. Chant. For 10 seconds the next attack skill used by each ally within earshot deals +(17) damage against foes with more than 50% health.
"Go For The Eyes!" -- 4A. Shout. For 10 seconds the next time each ally within earshot makes an attack that attack has an additional (65)% chance to be a critical hit.
Vicious Attack -- 5E, 8 recharge. Spear attack. If this attack hits you deal +(25) damage. If you land a critical hit with this attack, target foe suffers from a deep wound for (13) seconds.
Harrier's Toss -- 10E, 1/2 cast, 10 recharge. Spear attack. If this attack hits it deals +(17) damage. If this attack hits a moving foe it deals an additional (25) damage.


(Note: Numbers in parentheses are based on 12 points in that attribute. This build would need 16 in Spears, though, so the last two skills will have noticeably larger bonuses.)



With these four skills, a Paragon can do a ranged spike that hits very much like a Warrior's adrenal spike, and when you factor in that Anthem of Envy and "Go For The Eyes!" affects your fellow spikers as well you will realize that this character could quite possibly replace an entire warrior in an adrenal spike build. Spiking with one Warrior and one Paragon is very desirable -- the enemy's monks are no longer able to read your spikes nearly as well and if the damage is the same, all the better. Even if that does not work out, though, a balanced build with two Warriors and one such Paragon would have massive spike potential, possibly able to punch through a pre-placed prot spirit even.

And the best part? We still have 3 skill slots, the secondary, and the elite to pick! With these slots... the options are endless. Just to list a handful of Paragon skills which I deem potentially worthy of these slots: "Fall Back!", "Incoming!", Aria of Swiftness, Crippling Anthem, Song of Purification, Aria of Zeal, Ballad of Restoration, Hexbreaker Aria, Signet of Synergy, Barbed Spear, Mighty Throw, Cautery Signet, "Lead The Way!", Aria of Power, and Defensive Anthem. I could see any one of those in these last slots; they're all quite powerful, it's just a matter of figuring out which. Or maybe you'll take skills from your secondary -- who knows!



This character has a very powerful self reliant ranged spike and a huge bag of supportive goodies to pull from. This, IMO, has the potential to become a staple character of balanced upon Nightfall's release, much moreso than any Dervish build seen this weekend.

All I have to say is Enduring Harmony For great justice on the war and Anthem of Fury.

We can now remove the pet from thumpers since the DP has made them a liablility. This is going to be huge for wars too. Under FGJ Anthem at 3-4 will yeild 5-6 adrenaline back. With Enduring Harmony FGJ will last for 30 seconds giving a 15 second cool down time. You can add dark fury to this and under FGJ you have a 3 adrenaline gain from every hit.

We might see frenzy removed from the wars in place for some other IAS to spike with.

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