I saw a P/D weilding a scythe that was tanking better then most Dervishes and healing just as well if not better.
P/Ds could be the new wammos or maybe even better.
Paragon Potential
Quid Pro Quo
Nevin
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Originally Posted by Hella Good
Ugh... I'll pretend I didnt see the above statement about Mesmers being only good as a 2ndary...
Paragons are fairly boring to me, is all I can say. I attempted to make myself slighly interested in the profession but it is just so supportive and lacking any character of its own that it was completely impossible. I do acknowledge the benefit of having one in an 8 person team but the one thing I'm going to agree with DeathShadowX is we will most likely see the Paragon used as a 2ndary- no need to waste a whole slot on an entirely supportive character that other than support cant do jack. Spear Mastery in essence can be just about as deadly as a sword warrior.
Paragons are fairly boring to me, is all I can say. I attempted to make myself slighly interested in the profession but it is just so supportive and lacking any character of its own that it was completely impossible. I do acknowledge the benefit of having one in an 8 person team but the one thing I'm going to agree with DeathShadowX is we will most likely see the Paragon used as a 2ndary- no need to waste a whole slot on an entirely supportive character that other than support cant do jack. Spear Mastery in essence can be just about as deadly as a sword warrior.
BenO_Under
Paragon Ftw
da_king
I love the Paragon, I think they might be able to replace the E/Mo that is used in GvG. I don't think we should play the Paragon just fully support or fully spear attacking, I think the most effective way is the mixture of both (unless in specific builds). When I was playing my Paragon, I rarely run out of energy thanks to Leadership, I just basically use adrenalin shouts like "Watch Yourself" as much as I can which helps both my energy management and my allies which is quite good. I just see a lot of potential in this class. I am actually looking forward to play this class more than the Dervish! 
Kerberus
After only playing the paragon since this morning, I have to say I love the class!!
P/W is a sick combo, being able to keep +4 regen on an entire party forever is great. Not to mention all the skills that cause burning, I am having too much fun with this.
P/W is a sick combo, being able to keep +4 regen on an entire party forever is great. Not to mention all the skills that cause burning, I am having too much fun with this.
(SK)Pariah
Somehow...I think Paragons will make their way into both the frontline and backline of the GvG arena...while Dervishes may enjoy a brief stay...I doubt they'll get as much long term use, aside from a few 'one trick pony' guild builds...
Tainek
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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo
I'm really intrigued with Paragons as a support class. As one example, imagine having your Warriors with 4 pips of energy, Rangers w 5 pips, and 'Sins with 6 pips of energy regen for pretty much the duration of a match. Think about the serious pressure they could put on another team, esp. in 8 v 8. Here's how:
Aria of Power (Leadership) - For 10-40 seconds, each ally within earshot gains 2 Energy regeneration until that ally casts a spell.
Costs 25 energy, recharges in 45 seconds, 1 sec cast time, and it's a chant so it can't be removed. Yes, it costs 25 energy, but the Paragon will also benefit and will get 4 pips as well
At about Leadership 14 or higher, you should be able to keep this chant up forever.
The downside is that your Warrior can't cast Mending on himself and that this will benefit Touch Rangers too, since they proly won't need OoB anymore
at 16 Motivation the paragon will gain exactly 25 energy back from Aria Of Power
For a Battery Character, i would think that:
Aria Of Zeal (10 Energy On Next Spell, Once every 20s (or 5 energy ever 10s)
Lyric Of Zeal (10 Energy On Next Signet, For a Monk, Signet of devotion (about 10 Energy every 15s)
Energizing Finalie (4 Energy Every Time either of the above chant Ends, Keep this on the monks)
With these three skills, you could drop E-management Elites on a Boon Prot and Still Do fine for energy
Throw In Zealos Anthem To Assist Rangers/Warriors/Dervish/Paragons/Assassins (8 energy every 20 Seconds)
and your using 12+1+1 Attributes, so you have 3+Rez Skills Left and Enough Attributes to max anouther line
Aria of Power (Leadership) - For 10-40 seconds, each ally within earshot gains 2 Energy regeneration until that ally casts a spell.
Costs 25 energy, recharges in 45 seconds, 1 sec cast time, and it's a chant so it can't be removed. Yes, it costs 25 energy, but the Paragon will also benefit and will get 4 pips as well
At about Leadership 14 or higher, you should be able to keep this chant up forever.
The downside is that your Warrior can't cast Mending on himself and that this will benefit Touch Rangers too, since they proly won't need OoB anymore
at 16 Motivation the paragon will gain exactly 25 energy back from Aria Of Power
For a Battery Character, i would think that:
Aria Of Zeal (10 Energy On Next Spell, Once every 20s (or 5 energy ever 10s)
Lyric Of Zeal (10 Energy On Next Signet, For a Monk, Signet of devotion (about 10 Energy every 15s)
Energizing Finalie (4 Energy Every Time either of the above chant Ends, Keep this on the monks)
With these three skills, you could drop E-management Elites on a Boon Prot and Still Do fine for energy
Throw In Zealos Anthem To Assist Rangers/Warriors/Dervish/Paragons/Assassins (8 energy every 20 Seconds)
and your using 12+1+1 Attributes, so you have 3+Rez Skills Left and Enough Attributes to max anouther line
SnipiousMax
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Originally Posted by Hella Good
I think you're looking at it wrong, but we'll see how they re-balance things before release.
Spader
paragons do have some serious hp recovery for themselfs and one of the best hard resses imo. 2 paragons can take on a team of four easily if they're skilled right.
if i were a monk secondary in nightfall i'd expect extenguish from just all those para mobs.
if i were a monk secondary in nightfall i'd expect extenguish from just all those para mobs.
Valkyrian
Played AB last night as my assassin, with three guild members:
1. A/W
2. Me/N
3. D/Mo
4. P/W
We steam-rolled just about every group we went up against in about an hour and a half of play. Most people thought it was because my pressure Sin and the Derv were getting massive dmg with a backup of E-denial from our Mes....
BUT, the truth of the matter is, the ONLY reason we stayed alive for so long and were barely taking hits was because of our PARAGON. I myself haven't played the class, but after being supported by one, I will never underestimate that class again. Not only were we capping faster because of his speed shouts, but his healing shouts and defensive shouts made most pressure melee groups look like a joke. All in all I may be choosing to build myself a Para when nightfalls comes out instead of a Derv... GJ Anet!
1. A/W
2. Me/N
3. D/Mo
4. P/W
We steam-rolled just about every group we went up against in about an hour and a half of play. Most people thought it was because my pressure Sin and the Derv were getting massive dmg with a backup of E-denial from our Mes....
BUT, the truth of the matter is, the ONLY reason we stayed alive for so long and were barely taking hits was because of our PARAGON. I myself haven't played the class, but after being supported by one, I will never underestimate that class again. Not only were we capping faster because of his speed shouts, but his healing shouts and defensive shouts made most pressure melee groups look like a joke. All in all I may be choosing to build myself a Para when nightfalls comes out instead of a Derv... GJ Anet!
jake jacobs
heres wat i think:
-paragons can do wat ever anything else can do, for the most part, dont be all like: *hikes pants up to nipples, pushes scotch taped glasses up on nose, and adjusts pocket protector* "well paragons cant use spells!")
-they can tank (with an AL of a tank, they can take it. also they got the sheild)
-they can heal like a rit (rits are so-so at healing and Pars are on about the same lvl)
-they can spike like a ranger (burning, dazed bleeding, they can inflict condions)
-shouts can support like a well or a ward (gives evasion, healing, armor, etc.)
-can run like a warrior (has the only 25% boost like the warrior have stuff like a warrior very similar for running)
-well since sins, dont really arent that great at anything, (no offense sin ppl)
i think paragons arent going to overthrow anyone (maybe the rit, but they did most of the work at killing themselves) but merely are going to help them like you can have white grape juice or red grape juice, same basic thing but, they are both unique
-paragons can do wat ever anything else can do, for the most part, dont be all like: *hikes pants up to nipples, pushes scotch taped glasses up on nose, and adjusts pocket protector* "well paragons cant use spells!")
-they can tank (with an AL of a tank, they can take it. also they got the sheild)
-they can heal like a rit (rits are so-so at healing and Pars are on about the same lvl)
-they can spike like a ranger (burning, dazed bleeding, they can inflict condions)
-shouts can support like a well or a ward (gives evasion, healing, armor, etc.)
-can run like a warrior (has the only 25% boost like the warrior have stuff like a warrior very similar for running)
-well since sins, dont really arent that great at anything, (no offense sin ppl)
i think paragons arent going to overthrow anyone (maybe the rit, but they did most of the work at killing themselves) but merely are going to help them like you can have white grape juice or red grape juice, same basic thing but, they are both unique
Lambentviper
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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar
Devishs are just like touch rangers, a noob build made for quick kills with no skills what so ever.
except touch rangers revolve around 3 skills, 2 of which you could break a finger spamming so much
dervishes have many more than 3 skills, great elites, and can even double as a healer..easily takeing the place of a monk primary. Lets not forget the usefulness of their Elite Forms and such.
so, 3 skills = wide-range of spells, heals, and high damage attacks that revolve around correct placement of yourself. Funny joke!
dervishes have many more than 3 skills, great elites, and can even double as a healer..easily takeing the place of a monk primary. Lets not forget the usefulness of their Elite Forms and such.
so, 3 skills = wide-range of spells, heals, and high damage attacks that revolve around correct placement of yourself. Funny joke!
Bloodied Blade
^^
Don't forget that the touch ranger can be owned by the paragon anti-touch skill shout...
Don't forget that the touch ranger can be owned by the paragon anti-touch skill shout...
Lambentviper
^^
yeah, but even that only affects 1 target, has a recharge of 20 seconds, and only prevents 4 touches >.>
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Originally Posted by Quid Pro Quo
yeah, but even that only affects 1 target, has a recharge of 20 seconds, and only prevents 4 touches >.>
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I saw a P/D weilding a scythe that was tanking better then most Dervishes and healing just as well if not better.
P/Ds could be the new wammos or maybe even better.
no way....Frenzymend Sig wamos > internet
P/Ds could be the new wammos or maybe even better.
no way....Frenzymend Sig wamos > internet
Tioshi
I love the Dervish -.- But i think the paragon is more my type cuz sometimes the Dervish becomes too slow on doing attacks i like fast things[movements]... but still i love the dervish cloth but the paragon is HOWSOME(AWSOME + HOT)....0_0
Tioshi
Oh Im Kinda A Newb In The Thread Things And All How Can U Put A Picture In Under Ur Name
Lambentviper
umm...well first off, its very easy to not be a "thread newb"
1) dont capitalize the first letter of every word >.>
2) just read...there are clear descriptions of each thread....and this obviously has nothing to do with putting pictures in under your name
3) the search button = hot love...use it all the time
4) click the User CP (control panel) link and then hit the "Edit Avatar" link
1) dont capitalize the first letter of every word >.>
2) just read...there are clear descriptions of each thread....and this obviously has nothing to do with putting pictures in under your name
3) the search button = hot love...use it all the time
4) click the User CP (control panel) link and then hit the "Edit Avatar" link
Dodo The Extinct
I think that Paragons are mostly support chars. They are not meant to be in the fray, taking damage. Instead, they are meant to assist and buff their team while providing damage.
In a way, this makes me very sad, because it gives the Ritualist even more competition. Ritualists are generally labled "Support", and they seem to be slowly fading away. With so many proffessions, people seem to want specialization, not versatility.
In a way, this makes me very sad, because it gives the Ritualist even more competition. Ritualists are generally labled "Support", and they seem to be slowly fading away. With so many proffessions, people seem to want specialization, not versatility.
unholy guardian
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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo
Aria of Power (Leadership) - For 10-40 seconds, each ally within earshot gains 2 Energy regeneration until that ally casts a spell.
Costs 25 energy, recharges in 45 seconds, 1 sec cast time, and it's a chant so it can't be removed. Yes, it costs 25 energy, but the Paragon will also benefit and will get 4 pips as well
At about Leadership 14 or higher, you should be able to keep this chant up forever.
The downside is that your Warrior can't cast Mending on himself and that this will benefit Touch Rangers too, since they proly won't need OoB anymore
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Originally Posted by Tainek
at 16 Motivation the paragon will gain exactly 25 energy back from Aria Of Power
Aria of power is gone, hasn't been in the game since the pvp event... song of power is the cloest thing to it, 4 pips though, but it ends once any skill is used.
Tioshi
Paragon is my type after i tried the dervish i asked my self if the paragon would be my tuype and it is
Dahl
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Originally Posted by Hella Good
Ugh... I'll pretend I didnt see the above statement about Mesmers being only good as a 2ndary...
Paragons are fairly boring to me, is all I can say. I attempted to make myself slighly interested in the profession but it is just so supportive and lacking any character of its own that it was completely impossible. I do acknowledge the benefit of having one in an 8 person team but the one thing I'm going to agree with DeathShadowX is we will most likely see the Paragon used as a 2ndary- no need to waste a whole slot on an entirely supportive character that other than support cant do jack. This is a joke... Right? Please say it is.
Thom Bangalter
<3 Ranged Eviscerate
Mekkakat
its official the P/W is my fav build ever.
Skills in PvE: Lightning spear barbed spear cruel spear anthem of flame leaders comfort remedy sig mighty throw watch yourself and for a boss, replace anthem of flame with burning refrain, mighty throw with "they're on fire" and cruel spear with Soldier's Fury. i beat Nightfall in 2 days and died 14 times the entire time with these builds. my attribs are 13 spear 14 leadership, and 3 in tactics. i dont care about shields, he has a nice maxed one for tactics with a 20%blind and poision reduction, and +30hp and he never has a problem. i get spike damage all the time, and with even a crap hench monk you wont die, not to mention leader's comfort rocks. IMO paragon can be a great supporter, but an even better frontline man. btw.. whoever thinks para doesnt need to be its own??? lame. leadership keeps you with endless energy, not even energy denial mesmers could get me below 50% energy, and i dont even rely on all adrenal either. paragons OWN mesmers and almost all casters if set to attack build. They spike like hell and back baby
Thom Bangalter
I ran something similar, except I brought the really good paragon rez sig, and always brought an IAS.
Mekkakat
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
I ran something similar, except I brought the really good paragon rez sig, and always brought an IAS.
if you don't mind giving away cruel spear (i know.. hard to do lol) try merciless pear and put in soldiers fury. talk about SUPER IAS with no no no downtime, and no recoil from use. its awesome to needle in both pve and pvp. monks hate this build when you have a second para to call out criticals and blazer moves.
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