Hi there what about changing to mes secondary and bringing mantra of resolve instead of bon def just to help out with getting distracted during casting. I run it and is great against aataxe as you can even cast spell breaker if you missed a DN. Great idea tho ;-)
Cast SB before aggroing aatxes then they definitely can't interrupt it. With Blessed Aura and the high Divine Favour, it lasts ages.
22 Aug 2006 at 19:12 - 13
Nice! i'm farming with my spirit bond build every day but i NEVER EVER thought of combinating it with a 55hp build, Very clever!
22 Aug 2006 at 20:16 - 14
frenzy doesnt work with spiritbond
22 Aug 2006 at 20:36 - 15
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Originally Posted by Opeth
frenzy doesnt work with spiritbond
Half correct, frenzy works ONLY if used before spirit bond
22 Aug 2006 at 21:11 - 16
Very nice indeed 
24 Aug 2006 at 11:07 - 17
So the skills you use are somewhat like:
Mending
Healing Breeze
Spellbreaker
Spirit Bond
Prot Spirit
Blessed Aura
Balth Spirit
Bonetti's Defence
???
My question is: will grasps do enough damage to you, or do u have to take the quest while fighting the aaxtes?
24 Aug 2006 at 16:16 - 18
lol you dont even need mending and healing breeze if you just aggro the whole first room...
also, resolve doesn't hit your energy hard at all. what i use is:
14 protection
13 divine favor
rest in inspiration
1. prot spirit
2. spirit bond
3. spellbreaker
4. resolve
5. life attunement
6. blessed aura
7. essence bond
8. balthazars spirit
just make sure that the necro has blood ritual before you go in.
26 Aug 2006 at 22:44 - 19
I personally would stay Mo/W as Bonetti's is key for energy and you don't need to worry about interrupts. Spirit Bond has a 2 second recharge, and while it's possible it could be interrupted again, I think you should be able to get it off in the 6 recharges of the skill before it runs out (12 second duration w/ 20% enchant weapon and 35% from Blessed Aura). You almost don't need BR (I only have to BR Makosi at the beginning of the run, I'd probably have to do it if she died...but she doesn't :P ) if you make sure you activate bonetti's only last time before the finaly monster dies...
And for those wondering what triggers SB, here's a list (w/o -armor skills, i.e. makosi's build)
- Aatxes
- Graspings (when not using Flurry)
- Smites
- Obsidian Behemoths (about 1/10 hits won't trigger)
- Mindblades
- Wailing Lord
- Banished Dream Riders
- Spells from: Terrorweb Dryders, Coldfire Nights, Stalking Nights, Charged Blacknesses
Edit: For those of you posting other builds that aren't 55....the point of this build is to have the flexibility of a 55 as well as the added protection of having SB. A 55 has the ability to tank anything in UW w/o much difficulty (besides the 3rd spawn of mindblades if you're caught off-gaurd) compared to a 605 who will be killed pretty quick while trying to tank a large group in the Forgotten Vale (mainly the IW mesmers, but colds too if you aggro too many) or Spawning Pools, as many of the monsters there won't trigger SB, which is where being a 55 w/ Healing Breeze comes in handy..
27 Aug 2006 at 01:06 - 20
is it just me or is 13 healing, 4 smite, 11 prot, 14 divine, 8 tactics more than 200 attribute points?
just wondering kuz i cant get the tact to 8
~Troy
27 Aug 2006 at 02:46 - 21
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Originally Posted by troyismyname
is it just me or is 13 healing, 4 smite, 11 prot, 14 divine, 8 tactics more than 200 attribute points?
just wondering kuz i cant get the tact to 8
~Troy
you get sup runes, you are a 55 monk and thus have your 200atributes +3 in each monks attribute and +1 in another (helmet)
27 Aug 2006 at 12:32 - 22
I use the healing +1 scalp design with Superior Healing Prayers rune.
9 + 1 + 3 Healing
1+3 Smiting
8 +3 Protection
11 + 3 Divine Favour
27 Aug 2006 at 21:52 - 23
Hi, I don't farm often and was wondoring if the new (at least to me) 605 hp monk is better overall compared to a 55 monk for dual farming the underworld. Seems like it would be worse since you don't have the advantage of the superior runes. I might put a bit of cash down and try this build out since I guess it has some of the advantages of both.
Couldn't you drop the -50 icon and go for another one? Doesn't seem like it would hurt the build if I'm not mistaken.
Thanks.
27 Aug 2006 at 21:52 - 24
Makosi and I were able to lure about 5 groups:
27 Aug 2006 at 22:40 - 25
And from my point-of-view:
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Originally Posted by I Batman I
Hi, I don't farm often and was wondoring if the new (at least to me) 605 hp monk is better overall compared to a 55 monk for dual farming the underworld. Seems like it would be worse since you don't have the advantage of the superior runes. I might put a bit of cash down and try this build out since I guess it has some of the advantages of both.
Couldn't you drop the -50 icon and go for another one? Doesn't seem like it would hurt the build if I'm not mistaken.
Thanks.
The main advantage for me is that I can tank the terrorweb dryders which s near impossible with a 600hp build because of the burning. In other words, this build is safe in most circumstances. 600hp is fine versus full melee but if you want to kill other monsters, this build has it covered.
Edit: Gabrielle Darc = God of all SS/SV necros.
28 Aug 2006 at 02:06 - 26
... it isnt impossible at all to kill terrorwebs with a 600 build.. ive done it many a time while doing ice king
28 Aug 2006 at 03:12 - 27
Yeah, but it's much easier to deal with Terrorwebs when 55ing...
imo Jerrypants is the god of all SS/SV, but I still consider Makosi as the god of all 55s
Edit: for the person considering making a 55, it's worth it. If you buy the cheapest Asectics set possible (Shing Jea, I don't use SB when I monk UW so I use my 15k Ascetics...) and the superior runes, it's now less than 20k. 20k may seem like a lot, but you can easily make it back in an hour of UW farming. When Makosi and I clear the Vale, Labyrinth and Ice Wastes, we each get ~3-4 ecto+4-5k in drops, and we can usually pull it off in ~45-50 mins making it well worth your while...
28 Aug 2006 at 03:52 - 28
i tried this, and i had 1 problem, the healing didnt help at all it seemed. they would hit and i would only go down it seemed. instead of doing the little pop like it does with breeze, i only would get hit and then slowly go up. because of breeze and mending.... anyways, just wondering if i could get a solution there, and maybe why it is happening to me only it would seem
28 Aug 2006 at 04:27 - 29
nice build, but dang *Jaw drops open* OMFG the experience and skill points you HAVE!
29 Aug 2006 at 02:44 - 30
edit nvm didnt see the second page lol
29 Aug 2006 at 03:43 - 31
I tried and liked the build but I feel uneasy without Blessed Signet. Everything went smooth when I tried it, I just don't feel as safe with Blessed Signet. Nice build though.
Wouldn't it be better to put less points in Tactics and put them over to Smiting for a faster adrenaline gain?
29 Aug 2006 at 12:07 - 32
I use a similar build on my monk, but mine was a bit cheaper to create. I have about 330-355 hp (not exactly sure atm) and use the same skill setup except I bring blessed signet instead of Bonneti's Defense.
While I will not proclaim to be an expert on duo farming UW, I do believe there are a couple advantages to the build I run as opposed to the one from the OP. Since Balth's Spirit isn't prevented from being activated from Bonneti's I still get plenty of energy and can always use Blessed Signet to regen energy faster than waiting for the 1 pip regen and/or Blood Rit from the necro to recharge me when needed between battles. Also the the armor I use (while also being the Shing Jea Ascetics) only has one Superior Protection rune along with a Major Healing and Major Divine Favor, so it is a good bit cheaper to produce. I don't need to wield a -50 offhand and use Kephket's Refuge which allows for a bit more advantage from weapon mods and also gives a bit more flexibility in weapon choice allowing this build again to be a bit cheaper. Having higher HP allows for a bit of safety zone to help just incase some of the Darknesses manage to get Flurry up and fail to trigger Spirit Bond as well as a little breathing room if you don't cast/recast SB soon enough.
Since I have more hp, I put more attributes in Protection to get more healing from SB. I run 9 Healing Prayers (although I running 8 Healing would be just as good, I simply have leftover attributes to be able to put it at 9) which gives me +3 regen from Mending and +7 regen from Breeze. The reason I keep it at this is because the maximum regen you can have at any one time is 10. Any additional regen only serves to counter degen, which only comes in the form of bleeding from fighting Aataxes and is really not a risk.
As I said, I'm no expert on Duo UW runs and there are likely some advantages to the 55 SB build presented, but since I have cleared UW with this build quite safely I thought some might benefit from seeing this. If there is a flaw in my logic it would also be nice to see where I have been mistaken. If I am not mistaken then perhaps others could benefit from learning the advantages I percieve. With this said I will not argue that the build that the OP gives works as can be seen by the massive exp he/she has and in no way mean to argue that it is not a legitamate build.
29 Aug 2006 at 12:09 - 33
Adrenaline is never a problem for me yet I do like to aggro a lot. Try hitting foes in with your axe/sword and adrenaline should pile up quite fast and once you get used to it, you'll forget about blessed signet. The only time I ever have energy problems is when I do something stupid and die and am resurrected with 25% energy and have to renew my enchantments.
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Since I have more hp, I put more attributes in Protection to get more healing from SB. I run 9 Healing Prayers (although I running 8 Healing would be just as good, I simply have leftover attributes to be able to put it at 9) which gives me +3 regen from Mending and +7 regen from Breeze. The reason I keep it at this is because the maximum regen you can have at any one time is 10. Any additional regen only serves to counter degen, which only comes in the form of bleeding from fighting Aataxes and is really not a risk.
I like to kill the Terrorweb Dyrders too which spam constant burning spells when SB is not up so the breeze + mending combo counters that and more (occasionally I'll do the Minblade Spectres which use Migraine). Like I said before, this build is a 'safety' build and my death rate has gone down significantly since I began using this. Your build will probably cope with Terrorwebs too with your build from what I see  These are just easy variations of the classic invinci-monk build.
29 Aug 2006 at 13:38 - 34
Just a quick question from the SS's point of view..
What is doing the 85 dmg to multiple smites?
29 Aug 2006 at 13:48 - 35
Desecrate Enchantments.
29 Aug 2006 at 14:35 - 36
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Originally Posted by makosi
Adrenaline is never a problem for me yet I do like to aggro a lot. Try hitting foes in with your axe/sword and adrenaline should pile up quite fast and once you get used to it, you'll forget about blessed signet. The only time I ever have energy problems is when I do something stupid and die and am resurrected with 25% energy and have to renew my enchantments.
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and you can use it as much as you want up until the smites where they must hit you to trigger the draining effects of Sympathetic Visage.
