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TheMosesPHD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Oregon

Mo Mo Patty Blinks [MoMo]

R/

06 Aug 2006 at 23:42 - 1

So I ended up in international 1 of a town today and came across a small cluster of RPers just...doing what they do. So I was wondering if anyone else has come across any groups of this dying creed, hiding away in lesser-traveled IDs to escape persecution? O.o

I was thinking, if these poor guys and gals have gotta sneak around in small groups in the IDs to avoid being mocked, I think it'd be nice of ANet to consider more seriously giving these ppls an RP district.

I have no interesting in RPing at all myself, but even so it seems sort of sad that the ppl that do have gotta sneak around in the shadows.

Any thoughts?

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

07 Aug 2006 at 00:15 - 2

That is what they want an RP district as Inter. is it for now and that is the GWRPAssn.There is a thread in Sardalac about it.

TheMosesPHD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Oregon

Mo Mo Patty Blinks [MoMo]

R/

07 Aug 2006 at 00:26 - 3

Well ya I've heard people requesting RP districts for a very long time, but what I'm wondering is if ANet is ever going to take them seriously or just ignore them.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

07 Aug 2006 at 00:33 - 4

Probably just ignore them they have to many other things to do.They can have all the ID ones.

Angelica

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Aussie land

Me/E

07 Aug 2006 at 01:57 - 5

I'm confused! Care to explain?
I did not understand what you were talking about.
RP=solo player, is not possible in GW or is it?
Still confused and baffled.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

07 Aug 2006 at 02:05 - 6

The international district already is the inofficial RP server - you want to RP, that's where you go.

Angelica: RP = role-playing. As in, say, acting in-game as if you really were a paladin or similar.
Single-player/solo player is perfectly possible in GW, but it's not what is being discussed here.

Ken Dei

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

07 Aug 2006 at 06:37 - 7

The RPers should stop asking and just take over a district of their choosing by congregating there. I much rather hang out in an RP district then listen to the mindless racist crap and pointless shallow arguements I normally have to watch in between the spam.

Plushie Penguin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

That plushie penguin on a shelf in your bed room

Rt/E

07 Aug 2006 at 06:43 - 8

from the sounds of things, they have, the district is just not fully their's

Arcador

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

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R/N

07 Aug 2006 at 08:06 - 9

RP-ing in reasonable ammount is always wellcome

I will gladly try to search for those groups!

UBER HIGH GOSU RP servers sometimes are WAY too restricting. You cannot talk about names, cannot do some tactical things and a lot more stuff is forbidden since you "don't know that". I agree of some degree (I am playing and gamemastering in table rpg for 4+ years), but putting this in a game may become as I already said - way too restriting. I thing GW won't have that problem :P

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

07 Aug 2006 at 08:15 - 10

An RP-district will never happen, unless ANet decides to designate certain players as ingame GMs who can remove certain spammers/griefers from those "protected" districts. Otherwise, the RP districts will simply be overrun by idiots who find it funny to laugh at RPers.

fallot

I'm the king

Join Date: Nov 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew: Grand Phallus and Chairman Pro Tempore

07 Aug 2006 at 09:16 - 11

How about an RP channel in chat instead ? You could make large RP groups and talk in that channel (like team chat, only on a much larger scale). You wouldn't need GMs since the party leader could just kick offenders and you could turn off local if people laugh at you.

Wouldn't stop me rangerhumping RPers though, so its not a perfect idea.

Tyggen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

07 Aug 2006 at 11:59 - 12

ID is full of RP people? I've seen a couple here and there, but mostly the closest thing to it I see are wammos humping rangers. Every time I go to ID I get flooded with asian trade messages, so I tend to disable local rather quickly.

Skids

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

UK FTW

R/Mo

07 Aug 2006 at 12:10 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Angelica: RP = role-playing. As in, say, acting in-game as if you really were a paladin or similar.

So do they speak like they are actually present in the game world? Like:

"Ho there knave, I doth espy a hoard of Hydras"
"Why Sire, thou doth speaketh the trutheth. Mighty fearsome creatures they be forsooth"

Not taking the mick, but I have no idea what RP is like - and if the above is true - or close then at least I know not to go near Int Dist's

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

07 Aug 2006 at 12:14 - 14

It's not so that the ID _are_ RP districts, it's just the closest to it there is. There are very few people playing in ID, you can easily be the only players even in a place like Lions Arch or Ascalon. Ranger-humping wammos are quite few outside the PvP/ToA areas.

The exception are the farming spots, which are full of chinese farmers and their bots. I recall before griffon farming was fixed there were 7-10 districts in ID Augury Rock, with hundreds of Mo/W in each, but only one district of ID Lions Arch, and the ten people there were RP'ing.

Also, of course, Lions Arch gets invaded every time the Frog or Gaile Grey show up there (I always wondered how the hell people found out that the frog was going to speak?). Although that doesn't happen very often any more.

Skids: I'm not much of an RP'er myself, but I've never seen RP'ers try to speak Ye Olde English, probably because no one knows it very well so it just gets comical. It's just acting/saying things in a way you consider consistent with the era and the character you play in the game, rather than, say, shouting "MANCHESTER U RUELZ MILAN ARE GAY" while dry-humping a sitting monk. Unless you're role-playing a retarded football supporter who've passed through a timewarp.

Nexium

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

07 Aug 2006 at 12:47 - 15

what is RP-server thing that some ppl are asking about? ive heard wow had something like that i guess all i know is that ppl talk funny in RP server thingies??

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

07 Aug 2006 at 13:04 - 16

Nexium, people want an RP server to role-play, that is pretend they are their characters. It is a very old form of entertainment, and a number of us here (myself included) remember the days when RPG meant late nights and friends' places, a set of die and sheets and sheets of paper.

An RP and a trade district would be nice, but I'm not sure how practical either of these things are.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

07 Aug 2006 at 13:06 - 17

Reading earlier posts ftw.

Nexium

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

07 Aug 2006 at 13:34 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

Nexium, people want an RP server to role-play, that is pretend they are their characters. It is a very old form of entertainment, and a number of us here (myself included) remember the days when RPG meant late nights and friends' places, a set of die and sheets and sheets of paper.

An RP and a trade district would be nice, but I'm not sure how practical either of these things are.

ok but isn't like just playing the game whith friend's just the same as RP thing i mean you are playing a roll in the game allso, but i guees what you mean is that you whould like it too expand so you don't just hafto do it whith friend but make hmm global in GW..

Skids

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

UK FTW

R/Mo

07 Aug 2006 at 13:51 - 19

Ok I get it now. Gadzooks!!

But surely we all RP to some degree even if its subconsciously. I know when I get hit by an enemy I'm cursing like it was really me that got hit. When I approach a group I decide which is the best avenue of attack and when to make the move.

Of course I suppose a true RP'er would be hiding behind a rock as theoretically anyone outside his AOE would in RL still be visible. Also I guess they dont draw on the radar map?

It seems like something not really that different to what we play atm, but I reckon if I had to do it then it would feel too constrained. I also have a wicked sense of homour and so I would find it hard to resist taking the pi**

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

07 Aug 2006 at 13:59 - 20

For example, a paladin in character might say to a female ele: "How may I be of service to you fair maiden?"
The ele would perhaps reply: "I've been tasked with delivering these goods to the Settlement, but I am unsure of the way."
The paladin may then say: "I will show you the way." or "I myself, am uncertain, I'm sure we can forge a path together."

It might sound conceited to some people, but others really enjoy it. As for why they want a separate districts, they don't want to have to pick through the trash talk and trade.

Nexium

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

07 Aug 2006 at 14:20 - 21

aa ok now i get Thx for the info

xMikex

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

[FTW] For The Winz!

W/Mo

07 Aug 2006 at 14:23 - 22

i think if you make an rp server for them, people would go in there just to bug the rpers....the rp server would have to be heavily monitored by a GM to stop this from happening...i can just hear it now,guild chat,"Hey guys lets go bug the rp freaks"....

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

07 Aug 2006 at 14:31 - 23

Actually modding wouldn't be necessary.

I imagine paying out RP players would occur as frequently as PKing does in a number of other MMOs. Having been a player of such games myself, I can tell you that PKing and Ganking doesn't occur as much as people make out, it's just a pain in the rear when it does. The community, nonetheless, often mods itself, "carebears" running pk-killing teams. Certainly it doesn't get ALL of the offenders, but it often keeps their numbers down.

So how does this relate to GW? /report. Simple as that. We can report for offensive language use, unsolicited harrassment, scamming, etc. Simply allow for the reporting (special or not) of people who abuse the RP district.

Master Ikram

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Elite of Elites [EOE]

07 Aug 2006 at 14:47 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

For example, a paladin in character might say to a female ele: "How may I be of service to you fair maiden?"
The ele would perhaps reply: "I've been tasked with delivering these goods to the Settlement, but I am unsure of the way."
The paladin may then say: "I will show you the way." or "I myself, am uncertain, I'm sure we can forge a path together."

Looks like i'll be sticking to the good old ENGLISH Districts.
I would hate to speak Shakespear all the time....

sabretalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Saints Or Sinners [SOS]

N/W

07 Aug 2006 at 15:11 - 25

It will depend on your character a lot of the kids want to be a drunken warrior who stand around shouting abuse at everyone! Hang on that's not rp that is in game! LOL ;p

You let you fellow rpers know what your character is about, so you may be an ele who craves for the attention of others but does not like necros. Therefore they will spend lots of time in converstaion with others but will not talk to a necro and even not join a group if a necro is in the group.

The idea is to set up a character and think and act like the character.

Yes in a way we do rp a little but when we interact with others we act as ourselves and not our characters! Each character will have a code and set of morals that they work towards. Warriors acting like knights etc... charcater development goes even to the stage of getting married!

Mithie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Rest En Pieces [RIP]

Me/W

07 Aug 2006 at 15:12 - 26

Am I the only one that occasionally roleplays with henchies while doing a mission? Like, it'd be me, 7 henchies, and I'd pretend to be some hero guy and sometimes I'd type stuff out like "FRET NOT DEAR LINA! I SHALL SAVE YOU!"... and other such stuff?

No? Just me? Okay.

Skids

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

UK FTW

R/Mo

07 Aug 2006 at 15:35 - 27

Nope - its just you lol.

Hate to think what goes through their minds when a hench gives an RP'er the kiss of life...oooh errrr missus.

A little thought - how do they go to the loo? behind a bush?

Cjlr

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

SMS

E/Me

07 Aug 2006 at 15:54 - 28

For the record...

This is Old English:
Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum,
Si þin nama gehalgod.
To becume þin rice,
gewurþe ðin willa, on eorðan swa swa on heofonum.
urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us todæg,
and forgyf us ure gyltas, swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum.
and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge, ac alys us of yfele. soþlice.
Those good old Anglo-Saxon stylings. If you're like me, you'll recognize every third or fourth word, but not much more than that. Basically, the stage english was in between the Romans leaving and the Normans arriving. But since all of nobody can actually speak it (a slight exaggeration), I doubt many people rp in it.

What most people think of when they say "Old English" is actually early modern english - roughly c1500-c1750 - but since languages change gradually it really forms more of a spectrum and any roughshod compartmentalizing is rather meaningless.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

07 Aug 2006 at 17:25 - 29

It's the prayer "Fader Vår" (Our Father, who art in heaven...). Literal translation:

"Father ours you be in heaven,
your name is hallowed.
Tobecome <actually a norse word which I don't know how to translate to English, meaning approximately "to be given to"> your kingdom,
be your will, on earth as in heaven.
Our daily bread give us today,
and forgive us our sins (actually more like "debt" than sin, presumably because there was no pre-christian word for sin), so we forgive those who owe us (ie have sinned against us).
And do not lead us in <costliness = ?something that will cost us dearly? Again there wont have been a pre-chistian word for temptation>, and release us of our faults.

Very interesting. The structure of sentences and actually most of the words are the same as in Norse. I'd have thought it was Norse if you hadn't said it was Old English.

Cjlr

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

SMS

E/Me

07 Aug 2006 at 20:11 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Very interesting. The structure of sentences and actually most of the words are the same as in Norse. I'd have thought it was Norse if you hadn't said it was Old English.

English is, at its root, Germanic, and at one point shared very much in common with other languages of that family. The Anglo-Saxons spoke a very similar language to people living in Germany and Scandinavia.

The first major factor to split English off from its linguistic brethren was the Norman conquest. Even though the Normans were originally germanic-speaking people themselves, their stopover in northern France had them speaking a langue d'oïl, which was very much a romance language (derived from latin). When they found themselves lords of England they simply kept using it, or at least tried to. And that's why we have so many synonyms - there's usually a Germanic root (big), a French root (large), and often a word that someone has taken directly from the Latin (enormous). Although most of the French also comes from Latin. So it's the difference between one degree and two degrees of seperation.

Also, without any sort of central authority to regulate it, people (notably authors or poets) were free to make up words largely to suit there whims. Shakespear's a great example of this. In addition, the spread of English (later, British) power and influence world-wide led to the adoption into English of many words of foreign and/or indiginous origin.

And there you have it - a brief sketch of the history of the English language. At least, as I understand it. I suppose I should include a disclaimer that I've never had formal education on subject. I'm not too sure what exactly this has to do with RPing in Guild Wars, but hey, whatever's interesting deserves to be posted. Somewhere.

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

08 Aug 2006 at 00:06 - 31

Often considered seeking out the rp community, then decided against it, after all, my main char (mes male) is based on a rp character.. who's anti-social, swears more than enough for the entire district and would probably get me banned for being offensive.

Be intersting to learn how to rp in game though, and most of my chars do have a personality, which gets acted out to a small degree.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

08 Aug 2006 at 01:11 - 32

I think everyone to one degree or another acts differently when they're playing on different chars. I know I, without intending to, speak differently on my ranger than I do on my monk, or on my ele. No idea why really...

rabidcentipede

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Internet

Grenths Forgotten Ones

Mo/N

08 Aug 2006 at 01:43 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

I think everyone to one degree or another acts differently when they're playing on different chars. I know I, without intending to, speak differently on my ranger than I do on my monk, or on my ele. No idea why really...

I noticed that I do that too. My monk is the friendly, talkative, slightly sarcastic one, while my warrior is the uber l33t pwning one. Also, when I first create the characters, I have some idea in my head about their personalities and how they act. One thing I like to do is to write fan fiction about my ingame characters, so that is sorta like Role Playing.

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

08 Aug 2006 at 05:13 - 34

Ultimatly the difference between playing a role and an RP server is that in the RP server you have *no* thought as to the "game". You are totally acting as if you are a character in that game. You do not talk about AoE, running out of energy/health, do not call treasure "drops", enemies "mobs", or most of the other things or "where do I get X skill".

You pretend as if you could do all of this in real life and how would you talk to someone. You wouldn't say "Wait, I have to adjust my attrbiute points - you want me to spec in fire" - people do not have attribute points. I don't know how the accepted GW way of dealing with this is (GW is not horribly RP friendly) and some of it would be personal. As long as you are not talking game mechanics it's usually accepted.

It's "RP'ing" vs "playing a role". RP'ing has a faily strict way of acting, the other is just using a good imagination. You can RP in *any* game and all games have some level of playing a role (just as books do - at some level you are playing not as yourself). In the end it's all of us trying to have fun. Some really like the strict, some less strict (where I normally play - and to someone above, yes I do talk at the henchies sometimes), some almost none.

TheMosesPHD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Oregon

Mo Mo Patty Blinks [MoMo]

R/

08 Aug 2006 at 05:30 - 35

Oh! I had thought my meager little thread had died a while ago!

Well I'm glad I didn't, I sort of liked that copy of the old-english Lord's Prayer. Now that I'm more aware of that language's existence I think I'll study up on it!

thx. Insight is always appreciated.

ogami_ito

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

08 Aug 2006 at 06:56 - 36

But how do you really RP in a computer game? It seems impossible. I have not played a RPG- ie. D&D, Gamma World, Twilight 2000, Runequest, Warhamer the RPG,Vampire (and assorted spin-offs), Ringworld, Call of Chathulu, etc - for about 10 years. It seems like it would be very difficult to really RP with other people in game. You just have so little control over the game world, so little interaction. No Dungion Master .(or is it called Game Master?) Everything is limited. Not to say that you can't play a role and use your imagination to expand the game. But making it into a real RPG? How does it work?

Lordhelmos

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sentients of Shadow (noir)

Me/E

08 Aug 2006 at 07:05 - 37

There will never be an RP district for the sole reason of people going into it and disrespecting the RPer's. Anet knows this and thats why its not being implemented.

Kendar Muert

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Texas

E/

08 Aug 2006 at 07:18 - 38

Kendar walked into the room upon hearing a lively discussion about the merits and drawbacks of a role=playing district in guild wars, which, after hearing several questions about rp, decided to explain.
"Now children, roleplaying is a delicate art. You cannot have too much detail or too little, and you must act as if everything is happening right before your very eyes. This is exceedingly hard to do in the International Districts of our favourite game do to the rather small character limit. I would suggest that any of you who like to rp or who may want to do that, create a new guild for roleplaying only, and have fun- get your kicks."
Upon ending his short speech, Kendar rose slowly, as if he had a great deal upon his mind, and departed.

Thats a pretty crappy example of what a good rp would look like, but there you go. The reason ID just doesnt work is because of that character limit... unless the roleplaying they do is more like an in game larp. Roleplaying in an online RPG is just too convoluted, tyvm, lol.

Skids

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

UK FTW

R/Mo

08 Aug 2006 at 08:52 - 39

Skids McZebbedie got up from his crudely errected sun lounger and scratched his sacks. The fungus was obviously returning he thought to himself.

Turning to gaze upon the 3 girls laying worn out on the ground at his feet he chanced to see that his computer screen was flashing. "Ahha" he muttered; "another Guru post for me to reply to".

Careful not to tread on the girls - especially the Necromancer who was a bit of a grump when woken, he made his way to the keyboard and a half empty keg of Rice Wine. Having sated his thirst, passed wind and had another blessed scratch he sat at the desk and clicked the mouse.....nothing happened!

"Not again" he thought. "I'd hoped that Damned Cleric had fixed the ruddy thing last time for good...wait till I get a hold of him". Grabbing for the telephone Skids suddenly realised to his disgust that this was all a huge pile of crock and he had work to do before his boss came back.

"Odds bodkins and begad me follicles" Skids shouted, reached over his shoulder and with a deft motion born of countless battles he cleanched the haft of his longsword, withdrew it from its scabbard and swung it at the monitor.

The sword cut a blurry scythe through the screen, resulting in sparks of electricity and shards of glass being thrown about.

"Aye - that'll do nicely" Skid's thought, and walked off to the coffee machine.

Angelica

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Aussie land

Me/E

08 Aug 2006 at 09:20 - 40

Thx!
It was very interesting reading all your posts.
I never played D&D, but now I know what RP means.
I used to play Diablo/DiabloII and I thought RPGs were synonymous of people playing games alone with no connection to the internet = multiplayers.
Silly me, after all I'm still a noob!