MM Energy issue

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

N/E

i have 43 energy as a MM and at times it is not enough how cah i raise this up? I am using a spiral rod and bleached skull so i can get lv 17 death magic. the skull addds 12 but the rod only adds 2 when my health is below 50% are there rods with 12 energy? any suggestions?

Griev

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Brantford, Ontario, Canada

Perfectly Normal Beasts [MEAT]

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Get a bone spiral rod crafted from Sheco in Bukdek Byway. It grants 5 energy while health is above 50 and 20% recharge on death.

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

If you have atleast 11 Soul Reaping and you have Energy trobule, you are doing something wrong.

The best MM Weapon, IMO, is Ghial's Staff. That does everything.

Also, the Wand Griev mentioned has 20% Cast Time, not Recharge.

d4nowar

d4nowar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/

As a MM you'll probably want Scars (or the respective +energy Canthan armor), either a +5>50 wand, +5e sword/axe, or at very least just a +10 staff with an insightful head and then the mods of your choice. For an offhand just use a max energy one with the mods of your choice.

For energy management you'll be relying largely on Soul Reaping, 8 or 9 is a good number to have in it, since whenever one of your minions dies, you'll get energy... and whenever something dies to make a minion... you'll also get energy. Basically... Soul Reaping owns.

You can use whatever armor combo you really want, but for the highest possible that is still practical just use full Scars/energy armor, +5e weapon with a +12e offhand. Easier version of that is just a +10 staff with a +5e head.

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

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I have 17 Death (on chance) 6 soul reap and 12 fire magic*, i know my soul reaping is low but i like being on the offence

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

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nowar that works but i want to keep the rod/skull combo to keep my lv 28 flesh (30 with shrine it owns all ;D)

Opeth11

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sczisnad
I have 17 Death (on chance) 6 soul reap and 12 fire magic*, i know my soul reaping is low but i like being on the offence
Fire magic? o.o

Wouldn't that burn up more energy?

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

You shouldn't be using Fire Magic. Period. Your minions deal enough damage.

16 Death, 13 Soul Reaping. A Happy Minion Master.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

MM using firemagic...new build?

most use mesmer or monk

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

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yeah but Fire MM's own with fire storm

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

waste of energy


good idea tho lol

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

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Zinger yeah i guess tht would work, but when my 10 minions form a wall its great to splash damage like 10 other enemies with frie

Opeth11

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sczisnad
yeah but Fire MM's own with fire storm
...

Then the monsters scatter and go attack the rest of the party o.o

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

N/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Opeth11
Fire magic? o.o

Wouldn't that burn up more energy?
There inlies my problem

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Opeth11
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Then the monsters scatter and go attack the rest of the party o.o
lol so sounds like fun who cares if it doesnt fit in witht the standard builds

Opeth11

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

Then don't use fire magic?

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Opeth11
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Then the monsters scatter and go attack the rest of the party o.o
Not when all of them die right away

Opeth11

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

Lots of things don't die right away.

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

N/E

Idk guys i have found a ton of sucess in my Fire Minion Master (the build can deal the most damage i have ever seen). The only problem is energy.


Big Monster ~vs~ 10 Minions and a hale of firey death = Fire MM owns

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

im sure fire magic has some kind of energy managment..some kind of glyph?

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sczisnad
Idk guys i have found a ton of sucess in my Fire Minion Master (the build can deal the most damage i have ever seen). The only problem is energy.
You can deal a TON more damage if you can constantly maintain 10 minions.

Believe me, Fire Storm does nothing against Shiro'ken.

Opeth11

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

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You can't have that same combo and still maintain good energy. You would need perhaps a skill like Offering of Blood to replenish some energy instead. That removes an elite slot on your bar though.

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

N/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Admins Bane
im sure fire magic has some kind of energy managment..some kind of glyph?
Well i am using glyf of lesser energy (-15 energy cost to one cast) so my flesh goldem costs nuthing or minions cost 10 insted of 25

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

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A quich change of gears, i'm about to get 15K Luxon armour, and i have 2 black dyes, does it look good on it or should i go silver to save some money?

Opeth11

Opeth11

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Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

That glyph doesn't help that much because of its one-time use, basically.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

ele primary MM could work with some tweaking..will give me something to do

MelechRic

MelechRic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

RA

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N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sczisnad
yeah but Fire MM's own with fire storm
Are you serious? I hope you're not trolling...

Anyway... A MM with 10 fiends up will outdamage any fire storm. Also, if you took your points out of fire and put them in Soul Reaping you'd get energy each time one of them died. That's more than enough energy to keep you going/animating.

I run a pretty old school build for MM in AB and it works very well.

16 Death
9 Blood
9 Soul Reaping
7 Healing

Offering of Blood {E}
Dark Bond
Heal Area
Blood of the Master
Animate Horror
Animate Fiend
Verata's Sacrafice
Verata's Aura

I don't use Flesh Golem because I like the energy from Offering of Blood. I use a 20/20 wand and 20/20 offhand with bloodstained boots and +energy armor. It works for me.

If you're looking for a Flesh Golem build there are quite a few out there and a peak at the Necromancer forums will help.

Good luck.

EDIT: If you're hell bent on maxing damage (at the expense of self-protection/energy managment) drop the blood attribute and put the points in curses. Then add something like Mark of Pain or Barbs. 6-8 minions hitting a target/mob w/ MoP or Barbs adds up to a lot of damage really fast.

Opeth11

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Admins Bane
ele primary MM could work with some tweaking..will give me something to do
Your energy will seriously go to hell fast >_>

Your energy storage better be unstoppable!

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

black armor is soooo last yr

Opeth11

Opeth11

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Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Admins Bane
black armor is soooo last yr
Uguuu I just dyed my 15k Female Kurzick Monk black =_=

I'm going out of style as we speak!

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

black is old news..vibrant colors are in this summer

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

N/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by MelechRic
Are you serious? I hope you're not trolling...

Anyway... A MM with 10 fiends up will outdamage any fire storm. Also, if you took your points out of fire and put them in Soul Reaping you'd get energy each time one of them died. That's more than enough energy to keep you going/animating.

I run a pretty old school build for MM in AB and it works very well.

16 Death
9 Blood
9 Soul Reaping
7 Healing

Offering of Blood {E}
Dark Bond
Heal Area
Blood of the Master
Animate Horror
Animate Fiend
Verata's Sacrafice
Verata's Aura

I don't use Flesh Golem because I like the energy from Offering of Blood. I use a 20/20 wand and 20/20 offhand with bloodstained boots and +energy armor. It works for me.

If you're looking for a Flesh Golem build there are quite a few out there and a peak at the Necromancer forums will help.

Good luck.

EDIT: If you're hell bent on maxing damage (at the expense of self-protection/energy managment) drop the blood attribute and put the points in curses. Then add something like Mark of Pain or Barbs. 6-8 minions hitting a target/mob w/ MoP or Barbs adds up to a lot of damage really fast.
So you are using 3 X lv 3 runes? dam thats 225 loss of life? How do you overcome that?

Opeth11

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sczisnad
So you are using 3 X lv 3 runes? dam thats 225 loss of life? How do you overcome that?
Staying back, maybe?

I wouldn't recommend using three superior runes though.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

dont get hit..let the wammo take the beating

MM+wammo..2 i wont have in my groups ewww

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by MelechRic
EDIT: If you're hell bent on maxing damage (at the expense of self-protection/energy managment) drop the blood attribute and put the points in curses. Then add something like Mark of Pain or Barbs. 6-8 minions hitting a target/mob w/ MoP or Barbs adds up to a lot of damage really fast.
Mark of Pain causes AoE scatter. Barbs works, althought I'm not too thrilled about it (especially in Cantha, with the multiple-enemy battles)

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

N/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Opeth11
Staying back, maybe?

I wouldn't recommend using three superior runes though.
I'm using 2 right now and its Vary scarry (esp with 60% DP)

Opeth11

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sczisnad
I'm using 2 right now and its Vary scarry (esp with 60% DP)
Then you should really learn how to stay back. MM's shouldn't be near monsters at all. 60% DP is too much.

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

N/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Opeth11
Then you should really learn how to stay back. MM's shouldn't be near monsters at all. 60% DP is too much.
Yeah that doesnt hapen much, but sometimees in a pinch it it possible to go 60%

Sczisnad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Oshkosh, Wisconsin

Firery Deceptions

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Anyoone watching the Packer game? This is bad :/

Opeth11

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sczisnad
Yeah that doesnt hapen much, but sometimees in a pinch it it possible to go 60%
Very rarely though. If that's the case, I would be doubting the team's ability to control the situation.