Why are ingame traders so stupid?

In my opinion, thats why in game mods would be awesome.

Not even have anything to set them apart from other players.


If they spy n00btasticness (not newbyness, big difference guys), 24 hour ban. Teach em a lesson.

In-Game mods would be a bad idea ... anyone ever been to CS game where you meet admin who is out to get you? What if this in-game mods is trigger happy and banning peoples without reason? I don't think this idea would work well and not to mention, how many in-game mods you needed to patrol all the trades going on.

A lot of in game traders aren't even aware of current prices. That's the true problem of these people. I guess they don't know that there is a guru?

I utterly loathe these guys. Once at Shing Jea, someone spotted my assassin and ran proceeded to run up and open the trade window, offering daggers of some sort. I immediately canceled, he opened again, so I canceled again. He then proceeded to open again, so I put a crimson copper coin in the window. He paused for a second and canceled the trade; I opened trade again and submitted the copper coin.

He canceled the trade and ran away. I chased him down and once again submitted a copper coin. This continued for a good five minutes with him saying in all chat "Leave me alone" and "I don't want it" (I guess it didn't occur to him to leave the district?). After chasing him down for a while, I eventually let up. Not very mature, I know..but at least he was unable to annoy others since I kept opening the trade window on him.

hahahaha great

Alot in game have never seen the Ssaki sword. They only hear green sword. They don't buy because its not a fashionable looking sword (some worry more about looks then damage dealt etc..). Many just want to see it, or just get their kicks bugging people. If they ever put in a /backhand command, I'll use it often lol *sigh* I miss the /duel command from swg.. lol

People do that to my selling character (I just leave it standing sometimes in Droks, LA, Ascalon, or Kaineng to sell. only lvl 7). After I've hit submit, some people have had actually accepted back before. If it was a mistake on their part and they ask back politely, I'll give them the item back with a slight chiding for randomly opening trade windows with people. I've also just left the trade window open until they left while I'm playing on my other account.

There are quite a few idiot traders in the game. I was selling unided golds this weekend for 1k with these following messages:

"Selling Unid Golds for Wisdom Title Seekers. 1k. Please send whisper. (no daggers, swords, bows, or axes)"

About 20 people pmed me with variations of "any max swords/axes/bows etc"

Its not even that. Some people are just ignorant of basic economic concepts. There was some guy in Droks who wanted to buy parchment. I said I had it, 75 gold each (yes I know its high. I expect people to barter). He said he needed 200. In trade window, he puts up 3k and I tell him total price (15k) and even offered to drop the price for each down to 65. He says they can't possibly be that expensive and calls me a scammer. Now material trading has a set price floor and price max due to the prices given at the merchant. No seller is going to sell it for less than what he can get at the merchant and no buyer will buy for more than the merchant. Because Guild Wars doesn't have a monthly fee like WoW or CoH/CoV, the younger age population is a lot higher.

When I'm buying or selling stuff, I just turn off local and trade chat and just send out my messages every 15 seconds. If people are interested, they'll whisper me. The interesting thing about the people who just randomly put up trades is that you can get extremely good deals off of them. Since I peddle in mini pets, some guy put up a Shiro. I just hit submit and accept like I usually do and he just stood there for another 5 minutes with the trade window open. Eventually I put up 10k and he accepted and all this without a word from him ... Turned around and immediately started selling the Shiro for 100k right in front of him and sold it in a matter of minutes.

This is usually done by those bored jerks that think they are so cool. They see that you have none so they ask to be a pain and take up your time. Most are the best arguments for birth control I ever heard.

Remeber, alot of these players are 10,12, 14, 15 year old kids, and have very little concept of trading. That being said, I have waisted more than my fair share of time with idiots.

If you are going to buy it, then buy it. If not, say nty and be on your way. Posting your price up front eliminates alot of time in deciding a range of pricing. Also, say "gold only" or "no trades"- to make sure you get what you want. Be specific when trading. If in the end, people still don't get it, that's what the ignore feature is for.

They should have titles for traders, like ebay, such as power seller or power buyer, with ratings!- lol

Yes, an auction house is really needed. I'm sick of retards like this lol. For example, yesterday I was selling a Mini Bone Dragon, and my C/O for it was 100k+15 ectos. (This offer came from a smart person) However, I kept getting retarded offers like "I'll give you 100k and 15 candycanes for it!" in all caps and horrible grammar of course. So I tried to explain to him that candycanes are worth much less than ectos. He called me a noob and ignored me and started spamming that I was a scammer. Ok, so I move to Lion's Arch. I got an offer of a Kuunavang for it, 5 crappy hammers, and a black dye. What is wrong with these people?!! Also, for ALL my trades where I list the price, people will ask me to see the item. I figure ok, a potential buyer. But no. They will ask me for the price, and then when I say it (even though I list it very clearly in the trade chat) they say nty. Now WHY are they waisting my time and their by doing this? It makes no sense!

The problem I have is "make offer".. the reason being is I'm a casual player (since oringal BWE events -> GW -> GWF) but the problem is I'm not in the trading circles so I have no idea what the value of items is.

@op - Make offer only... I can't agree with you.. but for everything else (giving price), agree.

An Auction/Trade house would also fix my problem, I would be able to know the "going" price of the item so when someone is spamming outside of Auction/Trade house the "population" will keep prices in line and stablize a lot of things.

Not much I can say about traders since I hardly do any of it. The only thing I can say is I wish they would use the trade tab instead of public chat. Nothing like looking for a group and seeing a wall of text from traders spamming their items in public chat. *rolls eyes*

Man, I do the same thing. The whole "offer" thing annoys the crap out of me. The only reason you ask for an offer is to try and screw someone over...which is exactly what you were trying to do.

You knew what it was worth since you abviously were able to set a price immediately after. I hate to say it but people like you are the reason I hate trading in this game. Had someone who was clueless offerred you 20k, you would have happily taken it and screwed him regardless of how hard he worked for his money.

"Offering" is the main reason I never enjoyed trading in Guild Wars. I mean, seriously, when have you ever gone into a flea market, seen something you liked, asked how much it was, and had the shopkeeper tell you to "make him an offer"? Never, that's when.

People who open random trade windows with me get offered 1 gold for whatever they are selling.

The man has a point .. if you want to sell it give a price and then haggle.
If I want something I will ask for a price and if they say offer I will usually say something like "Tell me what you want and I'll tell you if its too much or what"

They dont know what they want for I'll find someone who does

with the first thing, when people ask for the price and say nvm when you say offer is because they want to know how much its worth.

i mean..are you going to hate them for that?

@ Beat_Go_Stick
LOL!! Like I need to screw ppl over 5k... O__O It's people like YOU who make this whole scenery look like crap. I said offer because I KNOW that when I say 15 prolly the other guy would just say nvm or never reply back. I know because that happens all the time. So I want to know how much is that guy willing to pay, and eventually with some talking we can come to a price that suits us both. No offence man but you theory is pretty moronic. And excuse me, but IF that guys offers me more money that the items is worth That is HIS PROBLEM. I never buy anything before I check how much it is worth. And If he offered... say 30k - I'd sell it right away, It's HIS problem that he is a noob with prices. I've sold things at pretty much the lowest prices and I have no problem selling them at the highest prices as long as there is someone to offer that price. Oh and yes - I have met all kind of traders and been in all kinds of situation as I am sure all of you have but some things just start to piss me off, at at a certain point I had to write what I think about it. But whatever, so far I haven't seen a thread where noone flames the op... guees it's normal -.-

If the seller goes make offer 1st two things happen, if the buyer is to low the seller get's irked due to bid being too low... if it's too high seller goes "ok" and then makes even more profit from it then it's worth.

The only way make offer is "fair" is if the seller and the buyer do have an idea of current value and the people who do know the vaule of things are typically among the sellers.

Now in your case I aruge, I don't know what x costs, how much will you sell it, looks at gold on hand... (I can't afford it or refuse to pay that much) and go one.

Now with an auction house / trade house system, it will give everyone the ability to easily see the going price of any item so with little effort you could know the general vaule of things and then be on even footing with sellers to haggle with "make offer".

Regarding the "no noobs" comment, I think it's just the trader's way to say: "Don't offer me 20k, I want 100."

Better yet, keep granite slabs or a clay brick handy just to offer in return. That gets a lot of cancelled random trades.

I always wanted to have a stackable material that looks just like THE FINGER... Would suit many of these traders. And yes. I've had these random trade panel openigs as well... And I actually successfully traded twice. Others were crappy offers...

Lol. you guys are hilarious. I can understand the whole "make offer" thing, but even I would listen long enough to get a general idea of a price. What gets me though, is spamming and private pm's when I'm not looking to buy or sell.
I was in Ascalon city and the local Traders and I brow beat most of the idiots(spammers) into using the trade channel. As long as you let the new people know there is a trade channel it works out fine. But I do hope to see an auction house or some greater degree of control over trading. I'm not saying restrict trading itself, more along the lines of making it harder to trade outside trade chat(I know they have been working on this) or sticking in shops. When people are spamming trades so fast you can't see what you just typed in a conversation, something is wrong.

I've always had this in mind - why not create a huge city with the size of KC or house zu heltzer for example, that serves with only one thing - trading. There can be either different auction houses, or different districts for the high and low-end of the trading. One big, complicated city just for all the traders. And one day we could actually be speaking to each other in the !All channel... Anyways, just a simple idea of mine.

Thats brilliant. A merchant city is completely realistic in a Guild wars setting. I mean, cities like Venice and Barcelona grew from merchant hubs, so its not like it wouldn't be viable to add an outpost or city with that in mind. Its what most people use Lions Arch and Droknars Forge for anyway...Just don't include it in more quests than the one it takes to get there. That way you know anyone there is actually there to buy/sell/trade, not lfg or something....

What also boggles my mind is the amount of insanely vague messages.

I've seen people in LA spamming (open channel of course) something like "WTS green hammer cheap! whisper offers!" and when I come back a half hour later they're still there. Well that's not suprising, how many can be bothered to whisper the guy, too many variables. It's probably a customized Malinon's Malign Hammer and the guy is asking 25k for it.

State clearly what you're selling, preferably set a price too. And use the bleeping trade channel.

Dont diss the younger generation ^^ Im only 13, yet I always manage to find a good trade. Lmao this time.

Seller; WTS PERFECT GOLD FELLBLADE REQ 8 PM ME
me; 10K ok?
Seller; 15K AND DEAL
me; lmao.


I didnt buy, i told him the real price and moved on =D

That's a very good idea, but the sad truth is people would still spam the other cities with WTS...I had an idea of making the trade feature disabled in certain cities (or maybe just districts), but you'd still get people hopping around with WTS UBER LEET HAMMER MEET ME AT TRADING AREA FOR PURCHASE

Organization is the key to success. I mean, even if there were titles, for example "respectful trader" which you could get by never writing WTS/B/T in All channel... !All channel would be pretty empty O.o... people need a stumulous, anything that they would benefit from IF they didn't spam the All channel. But that is a completely different topic we started discussing here...

That's my point right there. You say you don't need to screw people over, but you'll happily do it in a heartbeat and run off calling the other guy a noob just because he doesn't browse forums before his purchase.

Where you would say "buyer beware", I'd say "it's only a game and screwing someone who just doesn't know to check the forums makes me a jerk."

I agree with a lot of what you said. Traders are anything from annoying illiterate kids who obviously skip waaaay to many high school classes to two-faced digital money grubbing elitists. I completely removed myself from the trading aspect of this game long long ago because of that. It's also important to realize that one of the reasons the trade system doesn't work is because the game is full of people who would happily take advantage of those who are first time gamers and not geeky enough to be forum ho's like we are.

When I did all my selling, I looked up what it was worth, and then I raised the price by a few K for my trouble but was very willing to be haggled down to below the value I had found. The only reason to EVER ask the buyer to offer is if you are fishing for a sucker. Plain and simple.

In your eyes that might be the reason. But there is no way you could ever know why would I ask him to offer. If you can't realise that my wish is simply to find out if he is going to pay what I want, that is your own problem. Scamming ppl over does not exists as a priority in my activities list. And to be honest, If someone offered me more money I would just take it, but your point is that I do that for a living... When you have millions of cash it doesn't matter, but when you are going after something expencive - trade and do it however you can, because this is what market must be - a place where ppl can bargain over stuff and eventully come to an agreenment. Since I'm selling greens that anyone else is advertising with a few more k's in their prices I don't think that someone would offer me 100k for it . O__O You also don't have to check forums for a price - if 10 people are selling the same item for a price that is nearly the same anywhere - IT is worth that much. In this case - you can see adverts of Sskai's sWord anywhere, even in tyria. It is just not my problem if the man therefore me hasn't made any effords checking the price of what he desires, and eventually rushing into buying it.

oh man, you got it, the amount of people who will ask you how much your advertised item is and where you are (when you been spamming the full info the whole time). people cant read and it pisses me off too.

you have a history log to re-read if you didn't read the flying by text line, so your the moron if you ask about what you already know.

a good story is when i was selling the green ceremonial daggers, i even had stats with my ad, price and all. I got someone, showed in trade window, only to have them close it and CALL ME A NOOB, saying it was vamp and sucks.... zealous reads vampiric to some people? and since when does zealous and vamp suck all together? lol uhhh... i gave them a long b*tchin about that one...

Another problem is that some people have no idea of diiferent uses of upgrades, and all that they consider "non-noob weapon" would be someting with sundering 20/20 upgrade. Which I find useless. Even tho I have such weapons, I carry them only when I am out of the fight, otherwise I use vamp/zealos/elemental upgrades. And these people run away when they see such things in weapons o_o

There's a guy (or maybe it's a bot? who would try to sell something for months?) in droks (European districts) that is trying to sell gold Avicara brave armors for at least 3 months now (if not longer).

One thing I hate is when people ask for the price of an item and then don't reply at all after it is given, it's annoying bbecause you don't know whether they want it or not.

wilq - people farm these avicara armors all the time and logically they sell them. He didn't try to sell one armor for monhts, he just farms them regullary. That's what many ppl do - sell UNID items. Which is not reccomendable cause your chances of getting someting nice are pretty much none.

I hate when people are idiots like this. A couple of days ago I felt like being generous so I was selling a req 8, 15>50, 20/20, hp+30 oni blade just 100k to whoever was lucky. Someone trades with me, offers 70k. I say not enough. He cancels, walks away. 10 seconds later I see "(MY NAME) IS GIVING FREE ECTOS, PM HIM" I mean, seriously. How idiotic can people get trading in-game. So yeah, your experiences suck but thats this game...unfortunately. Thats why we need an auction house...not these interface changes...*sigh*

*sighs* It's so much better to get noobed at in public when trying to sell something... In the end the person who noobed at me appologised in local chat for being an idiot and agreed to buy my item because they HAD been an idiot. I can stand those ones lol.

But yeah, the other idiots... well they scare me and I've started merching most everything unless I KNOW its going to fetch a high penny and then I sell it either on here or the auctions. It's just not worth the time and mental energy to try and sell it in game -_-

As long as a 20/20 fetches 100K 20 Ectos, and a 20/19 is almost worthless, traders look silly to me.
It is much more rewarding giving items to guildies.

It seems to me that a lot of people have problems with traders "mistaking" WTS for WTB - I have always said "SELLING blah blah blah" - and I have never had that kind of problem.

One thing I really do enjoy doing to the "no noob" traders is walking up to them in my 15k Canthan Endgame armor and saying "I'm a noob - can I offer?". Some of the replies I get are hilarious. Yes, maybe it's a little bit naughty but it's so funny, and really, just for saying "no noobs" they kinda deserve it!

I like to sell collectors items on the cheap to new players...one thing about other traders (and players in general) is when someone comes up to me and opens a trade window, I ask "What did you want to see" (since I'm selling multiple things at the time) - and they put up a green staff. Ok - urm - why? This happened to me in Shing Jea when I was trying to sell a BLUE Gemstone Staff for Mesmers from the collector in Senji's Corner. Some guy comes up to me, opens a trade window... 30 sec later he puts up a green mesmer staff, says "mine's better than yours" and runs off. Why? I'm trying to sell mine for 200gold, if he was even trying to sell his, he'd be going for multiple platinum so it's a completely different market!

Maybe this is me being the stupid one but I love to undercut other people on purpose! I often see a number of people advertising Tarakayun's Pincers in Shing Jea. Advertise "FREE Tarakayun's Pincers to first assassin who can open trade window with me"...I don't care about the pittiful amount of gold but the reaction of the trader is worth it, particularly when he is trying to scam people out of multiple platinums when they're really not worth that much! Running for free is another favourite of mine!

One last thing which pisses me off about traders, or maybe it's not traders, maybe it's just people who see a chance and try to exploit it, is when I get offered things before a mission. Last night I was doing Zunraa's Unwelcome Guest task and a warrior joined the group I was heading...he offered me a gold Bone Staff. As nice a bone staff as it was I didn't want it, mainly as my Necro goes Curses and Blood. The guy left shortly after realising I wasn't going to buy it...why join the team just to do that?

I say, if the traders are annoying you, strike back!

ore you get an OMFG NooB 10101...comment thrown in your face

'WTS xxxxxx, NO NOOBS OFFER!'

noob --> common language translator:

I am a noob and I call all you non-noob people noob. I want a noob offer and I don't wanna see any noob offers.