The Touch Ranger Debate
Shinigami God
Ok, first off if this is in the wrong forum I'm sorry, just thought it'd get some views here. This is about the touch ranger thing, how many people want em nerfed. I know we've all heard the argument many times, but what I don't think they should be nerfed. They're easy enough to beat, degen and what not, but for those who think they absolutely have to be nerfed, could it be done fairly? By fairly I mean make them less effective without completely destroying the character people worked on. Maybe make the touch/bite recharge a little longer so they can't be spammed as well as they currently can be. I hate it when people say "well make it a spell instead of a skill" because you may as well be using a Necro primary if that happened. Just my two cents (and what's with the "it takes no skill to play!1!one!"? Touchies don't only use their two touch skills. They throw out OoB for energy management, whirling defense for protection, barbed signet when energy's too low for a touch skill, and dodge or zojuns for running. Seems to me like they use all their skills just like other builds =X)
Carl Butanananowski
I use a toucher, and get so much flame and anger in AB's.. but what the other team doesnt relize is that THEY have touchers TOO.
*hitself* That annoyes me..
I think touchers are good the way they are. Ive beat many with my bunny thumper, just because i can outdmg them(sometimes). Why do people hate an effective build?
IF YOU HATE IT, MAKE SOMETHING THAT KILLS IT AND SHUT UP. x.x
/endrant
*hitself* That annoyes me..
I think touchers are good the way they are. Ive beat many with my bunny thumper, just because i can outdmg them(sometimes). Why do people hate an effective build?
IF YOU HATE IT, MAKE SOMETHING THAT KILLS IT AND SHUT UP. x.x
/endrant
Opeth11
Eh, anything in PvP that can win with a concept around a skill is considered "noob". You know, IWAY, AoE smite, Touching...
AW Lore
once upon a time, on a land ravaged by war, a fort stood still against the luxon invasion, amber runners desperately tried to get some amber inside to keep things repaired and ready to fight, a luxon ranger/necromancer sneaked his way behind a mesmer, the mesmer did not see his stalker, and so she ran towards the gatekeepers to deliver the precious material, once inside she realized her mistake, the ranger/necromancer went straight to the gatekeeper, the gatekeeper started to fight the ranger, but with his many evade skills he was not hitting him, and his necro touch skills healed the little damage he dealt to him.
the mesmer, sworn to correct her mistake, casted diversion on the ranger, moments before he casted his touch skill, later, she casted three degening hexes on the ranger, with only one touch skill to steal life, the ranger used it frantically, but he didnt noticed that the mesmer had casted another diversion on him, and thus, was rendered almost useless, he then tried to ran away, but the degening hexes... killed him, and thus, the mesmer saved the day... at least for a time, before the luxon minion master overwhelmed the remaining of the defense forces.
the mesmer, sworn to correct her mistake, casted diversion on the ranger, moments before he casted his touch skill, later, she casted three degening hexes on the ranger, with only one touch skill to steal life, the ranger used it frantically, but he didnt noticed that the mesmer had casted another diversion on him, and thus, was rendered almost useless, he then tried to ran away, but the degening hexes... killed him, and thus, the mesmer saved the day... at least for a time, before the luxon minion master overwhelmed the remaining of the defense forces.
Carl Butanananowski
SEE? YOU SEE??? OWNED!!
... thank you Lore
you have made my day ^_^
... thank you Lore
you have made my day ^_^
xiaotsu
Been discussed and discussed and discussed...it's getting old 
And to those people that always say touch rangers take no skill...I'd like to see them use my mad focus swapping skills when OoB is recharging and I'm out of energy
^That means I run a touch, sometimes.
/learntosearchplease.
And to those people that always say touch rangers take no skill...I'd like to see them use my mad focus swapping skills when OoB is recharging and I'm out of energy
^That means I run a touch, sometimes.
/learntosearchplease.
-Loki-
I enjoy nothing more than running around in alliance battles, finding the touchers, and crippling/poisoning them the whole match. I don't really have a problem with the build, just how everyone thinks they are awesome, when they are rather mediocre.
White Head Yeti
I think rangers are a bit overpowered but not as much as people immagine they are.
Malice Black
this forum doesnt need "another" touch ranger debate
TheLordOfBlah
yea uh, this has been discussed and there is a counter for EVERY profession against them.
wankey
After a while touchers are pretty stupid now. Energy Denial + SS = touch me to death
QuixotesGhost
Since movement is pretty important in AB and Aspenwood, I always try to bring a snare and/or a speed boost. That normally handles any problems with touch rangers.
Huntmaster
Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah. QQ.
For some reason touch rangers remind me of iway. People run it, people can't beat it, people bitch about it.
Figure out a way to make these guys just another build that you see and don't mind, or else you're not going to have very much fun in the future.
I'm glad some people feel the same.
For some reason touch rangers remind me of iway. People run it, people can't beat it, people bitch about it.
Figure out a way to make these guys just another build that you see and don't mind, or else you're not going to have very much fun in the future.
I'm glad some people feel the same.
Kakumei
Ensign said once that, yes, a decent-to-good PvP player can slaughter touch rangers, but for people just starting out, they're a nightmare. Yes, adapt and change, but for the newer players, something like a touch ranger is bound to be incredibly frustrating for them, moreso than nearly everything else, likely even turning them off of PvP entirely.
I agree that they could use a small nerf, for that reason.
I agree that they could use a small nerf, for that reason.
byul
This is getting old.
Instead of wasting time complaining, just figure out a counter build for it with your prof.
For mesmer, I like to use degen (also Crippling Anguish) and just run from them.
Best way to counter touchies is to run. If they use speed buffs, slow them down or cripple them.
Instead of wasting time complaining, just figure out a counter build for it with your prof.
For mesmer, I like to use degen (also Crippling Anguish) and just run from them.
Best way to counter touchies is to run. If they use speed buffs, slow them down or cripple them.
Kool Pajamas
Thats why my touchy is called "Get Over It And Run"
Touchers are easy to counter just like Iway, probably easier, so get over it everyone that thinks they are overpowered.
Touchers are easy to counter just like Iway, probably easier, so get over it everyone that thinks they are overpowered.
sky the unstopable
what i love is how people want to have it both ways. they love to say how much they hate touch rangers but then they want to brag about how quickly they can kill them. dosent everyone have that one story about how quick they killed an iway team/touch ranger? personaly i play the bad touch (pvp and pve) they are fun, something people seem to be forgeting about.
supaet
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Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah
yea uh, this has been discussed and there is a counter for EVERY profession against them.
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Hyper Cutter
The easiest way to make touch rangers less annoying without ruining them completely would be to increase the recharge on Vampiric Touch/Bite, imo...
Hidden in the Mist
Touchers are only a pain in the ass when they have more than 4 on a side.
Curse You
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Originally Posted by Hidden in the Mist
Touchers are only a pain in the ass when they have more than 4 on a side.
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).Also, the only reasonable solution IF they were to nerf them would be to take a page out of the IWAY nerf. Increase recharge by 4 seconds (double it) and reduce the life steal slightly (not as much as vamp gaze). This is of course IF they HAD to change it.
ZomgZergRush
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Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah
yea uh, this has been discussed and there is a counter for EVERY profession against them.
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maraxusofk
Touch rangers arent a problem. They arent exactly a broken build. Hell i never use one and have never had a problem beating one. Dom mesmers wit backfire and/or blackout beats it. E denial beats it. Not taht hard to beat. If u cant beat it, u must really suck.
Phoenix Ex
Before someone says backfire doesn't work vs touch, Backfire their energy management skill, OOB.
Hidden in the Mist
Signet of Humility, now they can't use their elite.
RTSFirebat
Sigh...
Did you not use the Search Engine?
There is a already a massive Touch Ranger dicussion thread, why do we need another?
Here is the link right here, found it by seaching for "Touch Rangers":
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=Touch+Rangers
In anycase there is nothing wrong with Touchies, I play one all the time and get killed plenty of times, most players just don't seem to know how to counter them effectively.
For example using blind skills on a Touchie is worthless!
Did you not use the Search Engine?
There is a already a massive Touch Ranger dicussion thread, why do we need another?
Here is the link right here, found it by seaching for "Touch Rangers":
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=Touch+Rangers
In anycase there is nothing wrong with Touchies, I play one all the time and get killed plenty of times, most players just don't seem to know how to counter them effectively.
For example using blind skills on a Touchie is worthless!
Zinger314
(When did Kakumei come back? I thought she was banned!)
Anyways, ArenaNet could make many people happy by just making the Touch skills into Spells. Easy solution.
Anyways, ArenaNet could make many people happy by just making the Touch skills into Spells. Easy solution.
bam23
Of course, mesmers have the easiest time against a toucher.
The other classes have to run.
The other classes have to run.
Guillaume De Sonoma
There are heaps of skills that counter touchers, and not enough people running them.
Diversion, snares, cripples, etc destroys them.
Diversion, snares, cripples, etc destroys them.
Sekkira
Touch rangers are so overpowered, they make me kite in pvp >: WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO KITE OMG
RTSFirebat
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Originally Posted by Guillaume De Sonoma
There are heaps of skills that counter touchers, and not enough people running them.
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Cebe
urm, blackout? Would that not just shut down a tough ranger entirely? Ay least giving the rest of the team time to take him/her out?
RTSFirebat
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
urm, blackout? Would that not just shut down a tough ranger entirely? Ay least giving the rest of the team time to take him/her out?
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Morganas
Saying blackout counters a build isn't saying anything at all. Of course disabling all of their skills for x seconds counters it, it entirely counters everything but warriors, at the cost of energy and your own skills. Same for diversion, there are tons of builds that can't (shouldn't) do anything while it's on them.
That said, touchers aren't as damaging as warriors, and have no additional utility like knockdowns or conditions like deep wound. A single crippling anguish while under mantra of persistence will take one out for an entire fight.
That said, touchers aren't as damaging as warriors, and have no additional utility like knockdowns or conditions like deep wound. A single crippling anguish while under mantra of persistence will take one out for an entire fight.
Anryla
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Originally Posted by supaet
How you counter them as a warrior? run away?
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Frenzy (does not increase life stealing so frenzy away)
Either Wild Blow or Warriors Cunning
Then you are free to use your adrenaline skills to take him down, this works well for me against one toucher.
If you get blinded you could use Plague Touch with secondary Necro... just need to use the brain a bit more.
Align
If you can't defeat a toucher as a warrior you're doing it wrong and need to go get 16 in your weapon mastery pronto. And bring Wild Blow against their stances. Suddenly THEYRE running from YOU. I love it.
Jade_Onyx
I play air spike in AB with 3 other spikers, and we just laugh as we see touch rangers comming to us, 2, 1, next target, mind you we have a good laugh vs rangers, warriors and sins as well but thats another matter.
frojack
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Originally Posted by ZomgZergRush
Rit counter yuo gieb?
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As a Ritualist I don't have any running skills in my profession, so kiting is pretty useless when they have and use the best running stances in the game. Spirits like Dissonance are so random when they target that they're pretty much not worth the effort. That's assuming I'm not dead before I've finished creating it. If however you already have a spirit army up and running (Painful Bond Rit build) it can work, but that's in a perfect world. Binding Chains is also a pretty poor counter as people are usually trying to kill the toucher not just stop him from moving around. So as soon as they take damage, there goes your advantage.
Anyways, I am at a loss. I consider myself a fairly experienced Ritualist user. Proficient with most rit builds and elites. However the only way I have been able to successfully nail touchers is by turning my Ritualist into a poor version of a mesmer (I don't get fast casting or the benefit of runes). It's getting dull running the same build over and over just to take out touchers and there really isn't much flexibility in that.
Does anyone have any builds they actually 'use' to combat touchers? (not interested in theory from people who don't 'use' Ritualists thank you very much). There are a few builds involving 2 Ritualists that can do the job, but then I'm not 2 players
. Thanks in advance...
yukimura_gw
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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
You forgot the biggest counter of them all, dual degen Mes build -10 degen + cripple = dead touchie.
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Worst death ever...
... being totally useless....
Terra Xin
Ritualist counter would be a rit spammer with Preservation.... one on one of course. And then make warrior secondary and take painful bond + wild blow. Easy and done^^.