As many of you no doubt are aware there's a lot of people joining abs with the opposing faction and eoe saccing themselves for free faction and leaving the other teams in the lurch for the ensuing ab.
Anet seriously needs to fix this pronto or ABs won't be worth bothering with at all.
If you are one of the people doing this, consider evolving some ethics and stuff around in your own time not others'.
ANET Fix Sac exploiters in AB NOW
Sooty
RTSFirebat
Then why are you posting this here?
You'd be better off reporting the issue directly to A.net via their support website.
Here there is only a "chance" an A.net dev will see this.
Oh and this is an issue in all types of PvP battles, not just AB.
You'd be better off reporting the issue directly to A.net via their support website.
Here there is only a "chance" an A.net dev will see this.
Oh and this is an issue in all types of PvP battles, not just AB.
pokerface
Whats wrong With EoE
It rules in AB, kills the enemies all the time
Just let them kill you, bye bye enemies.
It rules in AB, kills the enemies all the time
Just let them kill you, bye bye enemies.
Across The Battle
I dont know why you would report the use of a skill to anet's support site, It is not a support issue, nothing is working incorrectly.
Its just like touch rangers, you have to deal with it until anet wants to fix it.
Its just like touch rangers, you have to deal with it until anet wants to fix it.
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Well but Kurzick have joined to the Luxon (and vice versa) guiled as guests I think and went to aB only saccing themself with EoE and BR/BiP even bore the timer started Kurzick had a lot of points coz they died all the time. Then after a while the border shifted.
YunSooJin
I think the EoE bombers are awesome.
The whole Kurzicks vs Luxons was made out to be a big deal during release, but it's become incredibly boring.
I mean seriously. Border just shifts between Saltspray Beach and Etnaran Keys. There's no reward for pushing people back to Cavalon or HzH. The entire thing seems boring and pointless, unless you want to slaughter PvP newbies or farm faction.
I say huzzah to the Eoe bombers for stirring up the otherwise lifeless pot.
The whole Kurzicks vs Luxons was made out to be a big deal during release, but it's become incredibly boring.
I mean seriously. Border just shifts between Saltspray Beach and Etnaran Keys. There's no reward for pushing people back to Cavalon or HzH. The entire thing seems boring and pointless, unless you want to slaughter PvP newbies or farm faction.
I say huzzah to the Eoe bombers for stirring up the otherwise lifeless pot.
RTSFirebat
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I dont know why you would report the use of a skill to anet's support site, It is not a support issue, nothing is working incorrectly.
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Killing yourself to gank your team using EoE is an exploit.
If you took a moment to look at the support site, you can ask for help, report bugs and report cheating to them.
Since an exploit is a form of cheating, support is the way to go.
EoE is fine, its abuse isn't.
Cyan The Archer
I hate when people say its always the Kurzicks fault or Luxons fault. Both do it, dont blame only one side. "but they started it" is bs.
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NinjaKai
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I think the EoE bombers are awesome.
The whole Kurzicks vs Luxons was made out to be a big deal during release, but it's become incredibly boring. I mean seriously. Border just shifts between Saltspray Beach and Etnaran Keys. There's no reward for pushing people back to Cavalon or HzH. The entire thing seems boring and pointless, unless you want to slaughter PvP newbies or farm faction. I say huzzah to the Eoe bombers for stirring up the otherwise lifeless pot. |
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I hate when people say its always the Kurzicks fault or Luxons fault. Both do it, dont blame only one side. "but they started it" is bs.
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Its no different than TA. For all you know two warriors could be using the same build and be on opposite sides. Its just something that can't be helped.
Across The Battle
Ok then perhaps I just dont know what is wrong, what isnt working as intended. With all this hype about it, I am glad I never ran into it in AB. Can someone explain it in more detail so I can see the exploit/cheat/uber-leet hack
unholy guardian
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Ok then perhaps I just dont know what is wrong, what isnt working as intended. With all this hype about it, I am glad I never ran into it in AB. Can someone explain it in more detail so I can see the exploit/cheat/uber-leet hack
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One used Eoe and 4 55 necros to sac themselves, sometimes they are rangers for the maxed out eoe though. I mean the thing would do a lot of damage when they die.
I also say 3 sac'er and one rezmer, but it didn't seem to go as well for them as the EoE.
Wait a minute, by any chance people rez imediatly that one day? EoE people would have a feild day! Although that may have only been jade quarry and aspenwood idk.
Anyway that's what i know of it, they probably did somethinig else, i just reeemeber dropping dead a lot.
NinjaKai
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Ok then perhaps I just dont know what is wrong, what isnt working as intended. With all this hype about it, I am glad I never ran into it in AB. Can someone explain it in more detail so I can see the exploit/cheat/uber-leet hack
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milias
In my opinion, at any time, when a skill is used against its intended purpose by ANet, then it is by definition an exploit. I would hardly think ANet had intended this, hence I personally believe it is an exploit and should be addressed by ANet in a timely fashion. Based on past balancing by ANet in PvP, I do have confidence in them to fix this soon.
Across The Battle
@milas: Protective spirit doesnt seem to be used in its intended purpose but anet doesnt seem to have a problem with that. Saying that because its not how anet wanted doesnt seem right because that stifles creativity. I dont believe that is a valid arguement.
EDIT by Swehurn - removed comment referring to a deleted post.
EDIT by Swehurn - removed comment referring to a deleted post.
milias
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@milas: Protective spirit doesnt seem to be used in its intended purpose but anet doesnt seem to have a problem with that. Saying that because its not how anet wanted doesnt seem right because that stifles creativity. I dont believe that is a valid arguement.
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Bokocasso
The whole kurzick/luxon thing is totall bs... After EVERY battle the winning team stars cussing - "luxon noobs" "luxons got pwnd" or whatever. I'm sure that's after luxons beat kurzicks too. This whole separations sux and creates nothing but meaningless hatred between the two factions. And some 10-year-old-wanabeees can't learn to play/talk at all. And I wish these kids existed only in ab... Today I had a RA battle and we met a weak team. Killed them, but only 1 ranger was left alive. And guess what his skillbar had : escape, dodge, troll, barbed trap. He was there to run, not to fight. I asked him to stop it. After 7 minutes I said goodbye and that I wish his existance would end in pain. And he said to me "noooooooooooob" ... these kids deserve LOTS, LOTS of beating!
Sooty
I think a lot of people missed the point here. I'm not complaining about eoe being used as part of an ab...what i'm complaining about is, for instance, luxon players joining an AB on the kurzick side then sacing themselves along with eoe to kill kurzick players BEFORE THE AB STARTS, while the timer is still going. Thus ruining the whole thing for whichever side they do it do.
RTSFirebat knew what i was getting at, and i may email support except I assumed they would already be aware of it. I suppose they may not be...
RTSFirebat knew what i was getting at, and i may email support except I assumed they would already be aware of it. I suppose they may not be...
Curse You
This EoE "team killing" is a severe problem. People that want to have a fair, blanced fight are being abused by these people.
About the acusations, how then are you to explain why the Luxons got pushed so far back? It's obvious that the "Kurzick spies" or whatever you want to call them, were more active than any "Luxon spies", otherwise the Alliance line woud have stopped moving so much.
For anyone too ignorant to try to figure out what I (and the OP) am talking about, watch this video one of my guildmates found;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgLs1...elated&search=
About the acusations, how then are you to explain why the Luxons got pushed so far back? It's obvious that the "Kurzick spies" or whatever you want to call them, were more active than any "Luxon spies", otherwise the Alliance line woud have stopped moving so much.
For anyone too ignorant to try to figure out what I (and the OP) am talking about, watch this video one of my guildmates found;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgLs1...elated&search=
Arkantos
The EoE "exploit" is annoying, but hows ANet gonna fix it? The only way I can think of is make EoE only affect enemies, but then it would be abused much more.
Curse You
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The EoE "exploit" is annoying, but hows ANet gonna fix it? The only way I can think of is make EoE only affect enemies, but then it would be abused much more.
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1) Make attacks only work once the battle has started, NOT BEFORE. This way they would have to wait until the match has begun to kill everyone.
2) Make it so that Guests of a guild CANNOT fight in Alliance battles for the oposite faction. This would at least reduce the number of "spies" that want to sabotage the other side.
These may not deal with the EoE problem very much, but it does have potential to reduce people becoming "turncoats" at the push of a button.
Sir Skullcrasher
It is called, win by all cost! Peoples find ways to kill faster than other team to control the respawn point thus winning the Alliance Battle. Like previous posters said, report this to A-Net directly and not there. In the mean time, find a way to deal with it.
Dr Strangelove
To clarify, it's not people using standard EoE bomb to kill the enemy. That would be perfectly acceptable. Instead, it's people joining the luxon team, then saccing over and over to kill hte luxon team, their own team. This wipes their own team and jacks up the score pretty quickly before the match even begins. It's not a valid tactic, nor is it something you can counter.
Sir Skullcrasher
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To clarify, it's not people using standard EoE bomb to kill the enemy. That would be perfectly acceptable. Instead, it's people joining the luxon team, then saccing over and over to kill hte luxon team, their own team. This wipes their own team and jacks up the score pretty quickly before the match even begins. It's not a valid tactic, nor is it something you can counter.
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Dr Strangelove
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what happen if A-Net take out EoE? Would it make peoples furious that they have remove a skill that help them kill things in AB? I actually ran into couple players last night at AB who used EoE almost every round. We actually lost to the same team twice since they used the combination of EoE with Minions.
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Curse You
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I never said that EoE should be removed from the game. I merely said that Anet should strike down upon them with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my alliance battles. And you will know my name is Anet when I lay my vengeance upon AB saccers."
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Yea, just had to say that.
Also, I think the EoE Team killing has either died down, or it's being countered, because the alliance line is back to normal.
Sir Skullcrasher
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I never said that EoE should be removed from the game. I merely said that Anet should strike down upon them with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my alliance battles. And you will know my name is Anet when I lay my vengeance upon AB saccers."
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Dr Strangelove
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We need Samuel Jackson. He might be able to deal with these "Snakes on your team".
Yea, just had to say that. Also, I think the EoE Team killing has either died down, or it's being countered, because the alliance line is back to normal. |
Get these motherfarking snakes off my motherfarking AB!
Andrew Patrick
Hey guys,
It seems a lot of these concerns are arising over the sudden push deep into Luxon territory. We wanted to clarify this is not simply a result of EoE team killing, but rather, “battle line momentum” has taken effect. We will continue to fine tune the effects of momentum as we observe the results in-game.
For reference, here is the original update note about momentum: “Modified the algorithm that causes the alliance battle line to shift. A faction that pushes into enemy territory will temporarily gain a "momentum bonus" that helps it drive the battle line further into enemy territory.”
We are not dismissing claims that players are maliciously using EoE, infact, we will be making changes to EoE soon to prevent it.
It seems a lot of these concerns are arising over the sudden push deep into Luxon territory. We wanted to clarify this is not simply a result of EoE team killing, but rather, “battle line momentum” has taken effect. We will continue to fine tune the effects of momentum as we observe the results in-game.
For reference, here is the original update note about momentum: “Modified the algorithm that causes the alliance battle line to shift. A faction that pushes into enemy territory will temporarily gain a "momentum bonus" that helps it drive the battle line further into enemy territory.”
We are not dismissing claims that players are maliciously using EoE, infact, we will be making changes to EoE soon to prevent it.
Sir Skullcrasher
what about minions in AB.. those are over-powered as well?
Ensign
Wait, people finding ways to be lame and grief their own team is somehow newsworthy?
Four people could just join AB and go AFK, or quit out immediately. It would have largely the same effect. There are teams that take jackassery to another level and find ways to further grief their team? It's really not surprising, but they aren't going to 'fix' this by changing skills or mechanics. You don't get rid of jackassery by removing some of the tools that are used by jackasses. You banhammer jackasses.
Peace,
-CxE
Four people could just join AB and go AFK, or quit out immediately. It would have largely the same effect. There are teams that take jackassery to another level and find ways to further grief their team? It's really not surprising, but they aren't going to 'fix' this by changing skills or mechanics. You don't get rid of jackassery by removing some of the tools that are used by jackasses. You banhammer jackasses.
Peace,
-CxE
mqstout
This thread is just proof of what a lot of us thought would happen before Factions: When you're forcced to deal with people who aren't directly formed in a party with you, ungodly amounts of griefing are possible. That's why we argued against ABs as they are from the start, and what not.
Evilsod
Look if you hate this EoE bombing your own team enough. Counter it.
Anyone who doesn't need there secondary change to /Rit
Go to the nearest skill trainer and buy Feast of Souls or Spirit to Flesh and destroy the frigging EoE before they can sac everyone to death.
Anyone who doesn't need there secondary change to /Rit
Go to the nearest skill trainer and buy Feast of Souls or Spirit to Flesh and destroy the frigging EoE before they can sac everyone to death.
frickett
I don't think that the random parties are an issue, I like them. You have to adapt when the parties are random... You just have to addapt more when there is a griefer/saccer. It is a war. Not everyone is gonna be all moral and stuff. I havent been in one of these EOE saccer groups, neither have I faced one, but apparently they got a lot more popular today while I am at work.
Xioden
At those saying counter it: That is complete BS. You should not have to adapt to something to protect yourself from YOUR OWN TEAM.
Also I have to seriously call the "Battle Momentum" being the reason here. So basically after a month it JUST kicked in? (Also noting the edit of the original post to exclude the statement to EoE griefers being part of the cause). The idea is good, however it needs to be tweaked so that it doesn't take a full month for the fighting to be pushed further than the Saltspray or Etarian.
Also I have to seriously call the "Battle Momentum" being the reason here. So basically after a month it JUST kicked in? (Also noting the edit of the original post to exclude the statement to EoE griefers being part of the cause). The idea is good, however it needs to be tweaked so that it doesn't take a full month for the fighting to be pushed further than the Saltspray or Etarian.
ChildeOfMalkav
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You don't get rid of jackassery by removing some of the tools that are used by jackasses. You banhammer jackasses.
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milias
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Are you reading this ANET? Ensign is completely right here. People will continue to find ways to grief people no matter how many times you try to fix things unless you start banning people.
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Esprit
I've seen the effects of the EoE 'exploit' and anyone should be able to out heal, whether via skill or naturally from the damage. How many points does the other side get? 6 maybe 7? In the long run, that many points are important only in close matches, which aren't very typical.
I see more and more groups with monks (maybe it's just roll of the die), but monks should be able to cast a couple of Reversals and be fine.
It sucks, but damage-wise, no big deal.
I see more and more groups with monks (maybe it's just roll of the die), but monks should be able to cast a couple of Reversals and be fine.
It sucks, but damage-wise, no big deal.
Saider maul
yes sabotage does happen but with the millions playing the game its effect on the line are not felt much by this.
They called it right when they said it was line momentum. Kurzick out number Luxon and thus the win percentage will reflect that with the new moment bonus.
EoE bombing is more annoying then effective because it works on both sides.
If you dont like it, Try taking the spirit out. Works pretty good.
But do not blame this on sabotage. Thats just a cheap cop-out. Do you honestly think everyone is thinking this way. lol
just learn to deal with it. But please dont over exploit the touch rangers. I am so sick of seeing 30-50% of enemy team on ONE build.
Wheres the skill?
They called it right when they said it was line momentum. Kurzick out number Luxon and thus the win percentage will reflect that with the new moment bonus.
EoE bombing is more annoying then effective because it works on both sides.
If you dont like it, Try taking the spirit out. Works pretty good.
But do not blame this on sabotage. Thats just a cheap cop-out. Do you honestly think everyone is thinking this way. lol
just learn to deal with it. But please dont over exploit the touch rangers. I am so sick of seeing 30-50% of enemy team on ONE build.
Wheres the skill?
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It is called, win by all cost! Peoples find ways to kill faster than other team to control the respawn point thus winning the Alliance Battle. Like previous posters said, report this to A-Net directly and not there. In the mean time, find a way to deal with it.
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