I don't know about many of you out there, but this "nerfing" trend that Anet has set is getting quite annoying. In fact, I have completely stopped pvp play altogether as a result (touch rangers being the final "snapping point"). PvE only has a certain replay value! Every time a decent skill or build comes to play, Anet nerfs it away. Granted, I understand that many skills do need some watering down, but in many of those instances, a perfectly balanced skill (EoE?) is tagged for no apparent reason, or out of laziness. Other times, Anet has completely missed (and continues to miss) those skills in which need to be nerfed. I just want to know if anyone else here is getting upset with the constant "swinging of the bat" like I am.
Now I know this sounds like a rant, and it is somewhat. But I really just want to know if anyone is as aggitated as I am. /agree or /disagree pls!
Nerf Stick Beating More Than Skills?
Kaida the Heartless
Kruzing Low
what skills do you think need to be "nerfed"?
ubermancer
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what skills do you think need to be "nerfed"?
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prism2525
Gust and second wind too powerful?? Aren't eles underpowered enough? May I remind you you're talking of ELITE skills. You wanna make those crap as well? Compare the elites of the ele and the elites of other classes. Most of the ele skills pale in comparison.
Avarre
Real games have changes. It's better for things to be nerfed than buffed to balance, else we end up with 50k damage Javazons.
Plus, EoE change didn't really hurt it that much in PvP..
Plus, EoE change didn't really hurt it that much in PvP..
-Loki-
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but in many of those instances, a perfectly balanced skill (EoE?) is tagged for no apparent reason, or out of laziness.
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Sol Deathgard
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I don't know about many of you out there, but this "nerfing" trend that Anet has set is getting quite annoying. In fact, I have completely stopped pvp play altogether as a result (touch rangers being the final "snapping point"). PvE only has a certain replay value! Every time a decent skill or build comes to play, Anet nerfs it away. Granted, I understand that many skills do need some watering down, but in many of those instances, a perfectly balanced skill (EoE?) is tagged for no apparent reason, or out of laziness. Other times, Anet has completely missed (and continues to miss) those skills in which need to be nerfed. I just want to know if anyone else here is getting upset with the constant "swinging of the bat" like I am.
Now I know this sounds like a rant, and it is somewhat. But I really just want to know if anyone is as aggitated as I am. /agree or /disagree pls! |
As far as you saying touch rangers where the last straw, I've stated Many times that they are nothing, I can counter them with any of my chars, the only people that really are crying for touch rangers to be nerf are people like you that don't know how to read their skills or refuse to change their skills cause they just want their build to pwn all. Get over yourself, and learn to adapt, if you can't, then play something else you baby.
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Granted, I understand that many skills do need some watering down, but in many of those instances, a perfectly balanced skill (EoE?) is tagged for no apparent reason, or out of laziness.
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Numa Pompilius
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I don't know about many of you out there, but this "nerfing" trend that Anet has set is getting quite annoying. In fact, I have completely stopped pvp play altogether as a result (touch rangers being the final "snapping point").
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Consistency ftw?
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More hydras outside Augury? Nerf.
The Queen outside Augury? Nerf.
Updated monster AI making farming more difficult? Nerf.
Removal of the "ascend several times and get reward every time" bug? Nerf.
Removal of the "transfer items to pre-sear" bug? Nerf.
Nerf, nerf, nerf. Although none of them actually is.
So, nerfs aren't all that common in GW. On the whole, nerfs and buffs are probably about equal wrt skills and equipment.
Changes, however, are everywhere, and people apparently have a real hard time adjusting to change.
/Not Signed
Andy_M
Especially when those changes are nerfs.. 
Minus30
The only update i didn't like so far was the doppleganger being easier >.<
Ppl complain to much and are so conservative... every change is bad for them...
Just look at it as a way to improve your skills to adapt and make your own build instead of copying it from ppl or fansites...
Ppl complain to much and are so conservative... every change is bad for them...
Just look at it as a way to improve your skills to adapt and make your own build instead of copying it from ppl or fansites...
Alleji
Zomg anet nerf whiners plz or I'm gonna quit this game!
Mr_T_bot
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Dev121
Frenzy needs nerfing , its WAY POWERFUL!!!!
LiamR
Personally the griefing in AB was pretty good. I played about 10 matches when it was going on, never encountered it.. But it made the line change, instead of the usual nuetral/shallow luxon teritory.
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Personally the griefing in AB was pretty good. I played about 10 matches when it was going on, never encountered it.. But it made the line change, instead of the usual nuetral/shallow luxon teritory.
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eggs0wn
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1st off, half the skills that don't need to be nerfed are nerfed because whiny little morons like you threaten to hold your breath until you turn blue if they don't. as far as nerfing a perfectly good skill like EoE, let's see, you either Iway, or EoE bomb all the time, cause those are the only pvp build that use EoE, as far as in pve, I'm glad they nerfed Edge cause again the only time it's really used is in Urgoz which to me took away the challange & fun of killing the boss.
As far as you saying touch rangers where the last straw, I've stated Many times that they are nothing, I can counter them with any of my chars, the only people that really are crying for touch rangers to be nerf are people like you that don't know how to read their skills or refuse to change their skills cause they just want their build to pwn all. Get over yourself, and learn to adapt, if you can't, then play something else you baby. |
jimmy_logic
Nerfs keep the game interesting... I love nerfs because it makes me think of new things. Guild Wars will be sitting on my computer if the same sh*t were to be played over and over again.
Kruzing Low
so this dude quit because people kept touching him?
curtman
Put Touch skills in soul, so the Luxons cannot send their 4-8 man R/N squads to ABs. Doing so would allow Necros to touch, but prefevents the touch and evasion thing which make the R/N cheap and annoying.
twicky_kid
Until they fix expertise every new class with an dmg skill or weapon is going to deadly in a rangers hands.
They can change expertise to fix that imbalance without messing up its orginal intention. Just lower the it down to 1.5-2% energy reduction for 2nd class skills. That would not make much of a change but it would take more skill to run rather than spamming every skill on your bar over and over.
That way the rangers skills still get the full 3% while not making things like touchers, thumpers, and javalins stronger than what their Primary classes could do.
They can change expertise to fix that imbalance without messing up its orginal intention. Just lower the it down to 1.5-2% energy reduction for 2nd class skills. That would not make much of a change but it would take more skill to run rather than spamming every skill on your bar over and over.
That way the rangers skills still get the full 3% while not making things like touchers, thumpers, and javalins stronger than what their Primary classes could do.
EternalTempest
Anet has and will change anything in reguards to skills / equipment / armor if they feel it's being used in a way they feel is "cheating". They also stated that if something becomes "stale" in pvp for a long enough time and a future change or new stuff won't fix or the community doesn't move on from the FOTM they will change things to "shake" things up.
Anet has been doing this since GW inception Beta events, to 6 months latter and after new chapters.
Anet HAS to keep the game dynamic or IMHO GW would die eventally. The fact is also when anyone uses a specific set of skills to so something, and it gets changed, there going to feel a little put out but adapt and move on.
This is coming from a fire ele in PvE and still playing fire ele in PvE after they change how AOE damage was drastically alterted.
Anet has been doing this since GW inception Beta events, to 6 months latter and after new chapters.
Anet HAS to keep the game dynamic or IMHO GW would die eventally. The fact is also when anyone uses a specific set of skills to so something, and it gets changed, there going to feel a little put out but adapt and move on.
This is coming from a fire ele in PvE and still playing fire ele in PvE after they change how AOE damage was drastically alterted.
Loch
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Until they fix expertise every new class with an dmg skill or weapon is going to deadly in a rangers hands.
They can change expertise to fix that imbalance without messing up its orginal intention. Just lower the it down to 1.5-2% energy reduction for 2nd class skills. That would not make much of a change but it would take more skill to run rather than spamming every skill on your bar over and over. That way the rangers skills still get the full 3% while not making things like touchers, thumpers, and javalins stronger than what their Primary classes could do. |
As well, most people on these boards don't understand that the reasoning behind skill changes has nothing to do with their farming builds.
Alexi Jotun
You guys just dont understand how simple it is to counter a touch ranger...
Wild Blow- renders their pathetic defences useless.
Signet of Humility- No more Offering of Blood.
Blackout- hack and slash away...
The possibilities are endless.
Wild Blow- renders their pathetic defences useless.
Signet of Humility- No more Offering of Blood.
Blackout- hack and slash away...
The possibilities are endless.
Kaida the Heartless
I'm glad my post is liked :P
I understand fully how game dynamics work. By why not make some instances work in this fashion below?
Okay, instead of nerfing every good skill, why not buff up a skill/some skills that is/are never used to counter it? There are tons of available skills that are never even considered in any build that could use a boost. This way, the build is nerfed in the sense that there is a counter, but the build can still be run effectively. Granted, this wont work in every instance, but maybe they should give it a go?
And to those of you who failed to read my first post, I said Touch Rangers are what finally convinced me to stop pvp. They were not the only thing that helped influence this decision. Plus, why should I have to modify half of my skill bar and/or secondary to stop one build? That's rediculous. It's been said before, the natural synergies of that build are too powerful. Now, let's not make this another touch ranger thread.
And I was just disappointed at the EoE bomb, more or less. It really just looks like a cheap fix for the AB exploitation. They picked a really bad time to change that skill.
And I don't mind thinking of or playing new builds, its just that it seems pointless when I know it could very well get a nice thrashing with the stick at some point in the future. Granted I could move on to another build, but at that rate (with the constant additions of new classes and skills) arn't all skills going to be nerfed in a cycle?
It just seems that Anet could be a little more creative as far as fixing these things goes.
Sol Deathgard: Post constructively or dont post at all.
Avarre: lol. D2... ahhh, those were the days...
I understand fully how game dynamics work. By why not make some instances work in this fashion below?
Okay, instead of nerfing every good skill, why not buff up a skill/some skills that is/are never used to counter it? There are tons of available skills that are never even considered in any build that could use a boost. This way, the build is nerfed in the sense that there is a counter, but the build can still be run effectively. Granted, this wont work in every instance, but maybe they should give it a go?
And to those of you who failed to read my first post, I said Touch Rangers are what finally convinced me to stop pvp. They were not the only thing that helped influence this decision. Plus, why should I have to modify half of my skill bar and/or secondary to stop one build? That's rediculous. It's been said before, the natural synergies of that build are too powerful. Now, let's not make this another touch ranger thread.
And I was just disappointed at the EoE bomb, more or less. It really just looks like a cheap fix for the AB exploitation. They picked a really bad time to change that skill.
And I don't mind thinking of or playing new builds, its just that it seems pointless when I know it could very well get a nice thrashing with the stick at some point in the future. Granted I could move on to another build, but at that rate (with the constant additions of new classes and skills) arn't all skills going to be nerfed in a cycle?
It just seems that Anet could be a little more creative as far as fixing these things goes.
Sol Deathgard: Post constructively or dont post at all.
Avarre: lol. D2... ahhh, those were the days...
Sekkira
I want to know why people think Expertise is overpowered.
Also, why people don't understand the concept of kiting if something that requires them to be adjacent to do damage is chasing them.
Also, why people don't understand the concept of kiting if something that requires them to be adjacent to do damage is chasing them.
Riken Chrono
omfg nerf frenzy and mending plz..and heal sig
ateddybear
OMg you don't see the yu-gi-oh creators nerfing the god cards just because they are overpowered do you? Nope because its how you think and what you do is what counts.
Kaida the Heartless
Kiting doesn't work vs. dodge and zojun's haste. Unless you also have a constant speed boost, kiting barely works as a form of damage mitigation.
Frenzy does need to be nerfed. Only double damage? Come on. :P
Frenzy does need to be nerfed. Only double damage? Come on. :P
twicky_kid
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The only skill that even comes close to that is elemental attunement and its an elite.
The only primary attribute that is stronger than expertise is the dervish's mystism which will be changed (most likely 3-4 energy return).
Rangers can use a hammer with a pet and deal more dmg than a hammer war with a pet. They can use spears and deal more dmg than a paragon.
With the 2-3 months between skill updates gimmicks are going to run this game until they make updates faster.
TheMadKingGeorge
i can understand fixing / nerfing new skills but skills which have been around longer than the nerf team has passed puberty is wrong sheer wrong...easy way to make touchers uselss make touch skills spells is it that RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing hard. i mean seriously foc gets nerfed but touch is well untouched
TheMadKingGeorge
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You tell me what other attribute or skill will give you 30-48% energy cost of all your skills no matter what the attribute or proffesion?
The only skill that even comes close to that is elemental attunement and its an elite. The only primary attribute that is stronger than expertise is the dervish's mystism which will be changed (most likely 3-4 energy return). Rangers can use a hammer with a pet and deal more dmg than a hammer war with a pet. They can use spears and deal more dmg than a paragon. With the 2-3 months between skill updates gimmicks are going to run this game until they make updates faster. |
Sekkira
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You tell me what other attribute or skill will give you 30-48% energy cost of all your skills no matter what the attribute or proffesion?
The only skill that even comes close to that is elemental attunement and its an elite. The only primary attribute that is stronger than expertise is the dervish's mystism which will be changed (most likely 3-4 energy return). Rangers can use a hammer with a pet and deal more dmg than a hammer war with a pet. They can use spears and deal more dmg than a paragon. With the 2-3 months between skill updates gimmicks are going to run this game until they make updates faster. |
Every class has their own form of energy management, the monks have it in Divine Favor which gives them more bang for their buck, Warriors in their adrenaline to not use any at all, Mesmers in their Inspiration line to give them energy back, Elementalists in their Glyphs and attunements to nullify the cost and give return for spells, Necromancers in their Soul Reaping for dead things, Assassins in their Critical Strikes while attacking and Ritualists in their Spawning power which is similar in some ways to Divine Favor.
You rearrange expertise, you rearrange an entire class's energy management. On top of that, you have Ferocious Strike which iirc is used for Thumpers, the attack that gives you energy and adrenaline. Now tell me that wasn't intended to be used in conjunction with Warrior skills. With the spammable Irresistable Blow, it was almost as if the Thumper was intended.
As well as that, I'd like to know how you relate expertise directly proportional to damage. A Ranger with a pet being able to deal more damage than a Warrior with a pet? 16BM compared to 16 HM? I'm sure it's close but I doubt Rangers come out superior on that. If someone feels like doing the math to prove me wrong then by all means go ahead, I have no intention at the moment. Even so, the case stands that it's 16BM + 12 HM compared to 16HM + 12 BM, expertise only reduced the energy cost of the energy based skills used. It doesn't do anything to the damage.
shardfenix
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(touch rangers being the final "snapping point").
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a perfectly balanced skill (EoE?) is tagged for no apparent reason
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Other times, Anet has completely missed (and continues to miss) those skills in which need to be nerfed. I just want to know if anyone else here is getting upset with the constant "swinging of the bat" like I am.
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Now I know this sounds like a rant, and it is somewhat. But I really just want to know if anyone is as aggitated as I am. /agree or /disagree pls!
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c, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, c, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2 (touch rangers)
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c, spacebar, c, spacebar (iway)
at least they fixed shardway:
c, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1
Apparently arenanet only wants you to win if you're smart enough to tap 2 buttons randomly with no skill invilved.
In any case, I have stopped playing guild wars until they fix everything. And no I will not buy future expansions until that is done (based on how long it takes arenanet to realize how stupid they are, a good skill balance will take 57.296 years to implement.)
dab
A Thumper has more DPS than a Hammer War because a Thumper can spam Tiger's Fury.
Maria The Princess
a skill that REALY needs a nurf? Spitful spirit!!!
casting? 2 seconds (PLZZZZ)
cost? 15 energy (ANET, you kidding?!!!)
recharge? 10 seconds (ZOMFG)
NO AOE!!!! EVERY HIT DOES DAMAGE!!!
now, compare to the poor ele thats triggering his 25e, 5 sec casting Meteor shower, just to make the mob run away....
never realised how overpowered SS is untill i played with a necro
casting? 2 seconds (PLZZZZ)
cost? 15 energy (ANET, you kidding?!!!)
recharge? 10 seconds (ZOMFG)
NO AOE!!!! EVERY HIT DOES DAMAGE!!!
now, compare to the poor ele thats triggering his 25e, 5 sec casting Meteor shower, just to make the mob run away....
never realised how overpowered SS is untill i played with a necro
shardfenix
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Every class has their own form of energy management...You rearrange expertise, you rearrange an entire class's energy management.
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16BM compared to 16 HM?
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While we're on the topic of broken weapons, which genius at arenanet decided to make scythes have the highest damage output AND aoe? I think he needs to take all his math clases again...or for the first time.
Zinger314
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a skill that REALY needs a nurf? Spitful spirit!!!
casting? 2 seconds (PLZZZZ) cost? 15 energy (ANET, you kidding?!!!) recharge? 10 seconds (ZOMFG) NO AOE!!!! EVERY HIT DOES DAMAGE!!! now, compare to the poor ele thats triggering his 25e, 5 sec casting Meteor shower, just to make the mob run away.... never realised how overpowered SS is untill i played with a necro |
Kaida the Heartless
Honestly, if they nerfed SS, i would quit. Maybe SS would nerf Anet. Afterall, it is supposed to be Spiteful, right? In it's defense, I would have to say that its still pretty balanced. It's only powerful when farming due to the adjacent foes area limit. Yes?
Sekkira
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That's fine, because right now rangers have infinite energy. The only thing they can't do is cast spells, oh wait, they have necro touch skills to make up for that. Life transfer for 30 please!
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If you're a thumper trying to kill a warrior, try a new build because you have no idea what you're doing. Its not about damage. It's about warriors having restrictions on their power levels because they only have 20-28 energy, whereas thumpers have attack skills that cost 2 and do 20+ damage extra.
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