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YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

22 Aug 2006 at 15:50 - 41

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Originally Posted by Alias_X

Seeing as what matters when you complete PvE is armor and skins, maybe they should have payed more attention to it at the time?

I really don't care about it. So your Dwarven and Break hammers look the same, DEAL with it.

Anet has to worry about completely new games every 6 months, do you realize how much of a burden that is?

Well, I have been dealing with it for months. I don't know how I got through those dark times before I got the courage to post here on the forums - but many nights I woke in the dark, sweating, wondering when the weapon skins were going to be finally rightfully updated.

On a lighter note, I distinctly have argued several times that ANET apparently had the time to give Cantha/FoW/UW several new skins (around 6 at the time of this post, apparently).

Seeing this is the case, I was thinking that it would be pretty cool if Tyrian skins were updated as well.

I was also thinking that their priority order was wrong, although far be it for me to dictate to ANET what their priorities are. I just thought maybe they should have finished their first game up before trying to jazz up their second - you know, since we did pay 50 dollars for an incomplete game (and it was incomplete, if I must argue with technicalities).

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

22 Aug 2006 at 15:51 - 42

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

I really do not see how this is any different from people crying to have their glad's and tormentor's armor updated - and I don't remember seeing anyone against that.

Because it was promised. And then delayed. Thats why people got PO'ed.

Weapon skins were not mentioned as placeholders or will be changed in the future (IIRC,CMIIW).

Has there ever bee a GW Weapon that had its skin changed? Like...radically?

I dont want a skin change, i like my weapons.

*scratches her head and returns to granola bar*

Ninetail Trickster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

A pleasant place that needs more rain. T_T

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22 Aug 2006 at 15:53 - 43

Arena Net does not have the resources to fix this difficulty with skins.
...because nothing is broken to fix.

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

22 Aug 2006 at 15:55 - 44

It would only be an incomplete game if you couldn't complete all the missions. Duplicated weapon skins, and there's really not that many of them, is incomplete? That really is a delusional statement.

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

This might be just a rumor, Lyra, and I would appreciate it if others that were more knowledgeable popped in with information:

I remember hearing that there would be skin updates, in particular to the Swamp Club. This was back when Nef was an admin of the Buy/sell forums in gurus.

Unfortunately, the Swamp Club skin never materialized.
If I am providing false information, please let me know. I am 95% sure that ANET had promised skin updates to weapons that had never come - but people in general do not have as much vested interest in them.

Using Nef as a reference to anything factual is a huge disservice to the truth. Of anything. If you are postive actual Anet staff said skins would be changed, please reference it. Even the tiniest bit of fact would help your cause. As it stands there's nothing but a rant.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

22 Aug 2006 at 15:56 - 45

I think they only thing that needs fixing is more drops of some skins thats impossible to get i max damage like Tribals, Sickles, Wooden Inscribed Chakrams, etc. >.>

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

22 Aug 2006 at 15:56 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Because it was promised. And then delayed. Thats why people got PO'ed.

Weapon skins were not mentioned as placeholders or will be changed in the future (IIRC,CMIIW).

Has there ever bee a GW Weapon that had its skin changed? Like...radically?

I dont want a skin change, i like my weapons.

*scratches her head and returns to granola bar*

This might be just a rumor, Lyra, and I would appreciate it if others that were more knowledgeable popped in with information:

I remember hearing that there would be skin updates, in particular to the Swamp Club. This was back when Nef was an admin of the Buy/sell forums in gurus.

Unfortunately, the Swamp Club skin never materialized.

And the people who were dissatisfied and complained were not in large numbers like those who had access to Gladiator's or Tormentor's.

If I am providing false information, please let me know. I am 95% sure that ANET had promised skin updates to weapons that had never come - but people in general do not have as much vested interest in them.

The thing is, this kind of stuff should not be fixed just because people decided to complain. That is decidedly irresponsible of any company ANET or not.

EternalTempest

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22 Aug 2006 at 15:58 - 47

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

Just to make this clear - from all the negative feedback from this thread:

We have people saying several things:
1) Anet doesn't have the resources
2) Prophecies is an 'old version' so therefore cannot be updated without major resources
3) Having WEAPONS WITH DIFFERENT NAMES and SAME SKINS adds depth to gameplay, does not remove it.
4) Just because ANET states they aren't doing major changes to Tyria means they cannot fix small old problems
5) If I criticize ANET in any way I get flamebait from the resident ANET Defender Force (TM).

And Fyi (----------) - just because you crazy forum posters spam me with negative messages does not mean this thread has gotten its fair share of people reading and debating it - it just means trolls like you enjoy misquoting me and extrapolating mysterious opinions of 'mine' that you get from God Knows Where.

Issue #1 - They have stated not having resources for chapter 1 in interviews. The radio in fact with Jeff Spain mentioned about not having resources to "fix" the npc AI in chapter 1 for not enough resources.

Issue #2 - It is in the content department, Chapter 3 is about out, Chapter 4 is about 6 months in development, and chapter 5 will start very soon. There very busy. They have upgraded the graphics engine for all games, enhanced the GUI, added to guild halls. There a lot of indirect upgrades to C1... but no new content.

Issue #3 - I agree with you but for the support of it being a very very low priority.

Issue #4 - See my response to Issue #2. To add on it, if they have a game that "bombs" with not that many chapter out, it may hurt or mess up anet. Anet business model (from Jeff Spain radio interview) depends on making a great game that the fans to keep buying the next chapter.

Issue #5 - This should of been posted Sardelac Sanitarium which is a more of a yes/no and the majority would agree to "Add skins for weapons" without this detailed aruguing. Since you posted in Riverside, the forum that meant to = agree without you and why or disagree with you and why.

If this were in Sardealc I would do /signed - I would love it but don't think anet will do it.

@ If any one is attacking you in pm in negative way, you can report that to the admins.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

22 Aug 2006 at 15:59 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by YunSooJin

If I am providing false information, please let me know. I am 95% sure that ANET had promised skin updates to weapons that had never come - but people in general do not have as much vested interest in them..

See....NOW you are starting to make sense and not sounding like a whiner

We do need to investigate this matter further.

If Arena net promised skin changes, then it is a valid complaint, if not, then you're stuck in a canoe with no paddle...and theres a cataract in front of you.

explodemyheart

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22 Aug 2006 at 16:06 - 49

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

But I doubt they will, because anyone here who isn't willfully blind could not say with a straight face that this is not a deficiency to an otherwise excellent game.

A deficiency? Are you kidding?

Explain how these lack of different skins takes away from your ability to play this game.
What? It doesn't?

Explain then, how it could possibly take away from your enjoyment of playing this game.
What? It shouldn't?

You're just looking for things to complain about.

How can just go ahead and assume that Anet did not intend for the skins to be the same? Or maybe you're not assuming, you're psychic and knew that the designers never intended for it to be this way, but rather just got lazy!

There's no need for you to be getting hostile toward commenters and it's funny that once you did, and people started getting hostile back, you whipped out the troll card. Funny!

You came here and opened a thread, thus opening yourself up to the comments that don't align with yours. You wanted opinions on the issue, did you not? And now that you realize that ZOMG MILLIONS of people aren't in agreement with you, your feathers are ruffled. If you wanted people who agreed with you to post, you should have specified.

You seem to have a lot of hostility toward Anet, and people who defend them. People are defending them because your arguments are completely baseless. Your only proof that weapons should not be this way is that you feel they shouldn't be this way. Forget whether they really are or not, you don't want them that way so ZOMG THEY SHOULDN'T BE!

YunSooJin

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22 Aug 2006 at 16:08 - 50

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

See....NOW you are starting to make sense and not sounding like a whiner

We do need to investigate this matter further.

If Arena net promised skin changes, then it is a valid complaint, if not, then you're stuck in a canoe with no paddle...and theres a cataract in front of you.

Well it is pretty easy to call anyone who complains a whiner. I mean it is the favorite tactic of many people online who disagree with someone who has a complaint (admittedly, myself included). I wholly expected some people to jump around in circles calling me a whiner : P.

The thing is, I still feel my little cause is justified even if I just lied to you about the promised skin update. Although my little grudge is admittedly small, I feel it has validity simply through principle - and if ANET does decide to deny my claim, I would at least like a little bit of closure or admission on their part that they are purposefully neglecting something that should never have had been a question in the first place.

vinegrower

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22 Aug 2006 at 16:10 - 51

For me, I always assumed that the different names were because these weapons drop in different regions. Kryta has a much different culture than Ascalon, and as such, would have different names for the same thing. From a RP perspective, it make perfect sense.

If you think the names of the weapons are making the game "incomplete" maybe they should just change the names so they are all the same. It would be faster, costs less, and still solve the problem, would it not?

Personally, if I had either a wingblade or butterfly sword and they changed the skin, I would be pissed. My warrior uses a pair of Falchions (which share the same skin as Scimitars and Tribal Blades) and I bought them specifically for their skin. If they were to change that skin, I would be extreamly pissed off since it is hard to find max damage versions of that skin that are not Falchions. After over a year of people collecting weapons based on their skins, to go back and change them now would be very unfair.

tommarrow

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22 Aug 2006 at 16:10 - 52

What's funny is that game manufactuers do the same thing with their monsters. How many times have you been playing a game and the level 50 monsters look the same as the level 5 monsters they are a different color and have a different name but have the exact same skin. It is common practice to do this in the game industry.

Kakumei

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22 Aug 2006 at 16:13 - 53

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

purposefully neglecting something that should never have had been a question in the first place.

For future reference, when you decide to start an argument next:

Opinion != fact.

Chewbacca Defense

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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22 Aug 2006 at 16:30 - 54

Just to add perspective from a QA manager's eyes, for the simple requirement to add 1 new weapon skin into Tyria, the math follows for a simplified example:

In the simplified example, where only 1 shield skin exists in all of Tyria, we have 25 possible off-hands.

Also simplified, we have 1 skin for each melee + wand/core class, will give us 27 + 1(for the new skin) weapon skins.

If only 6 core classes are taken into account and only 25 explorable locations exists, then the combination of test cases that could exist are: 25x28x6x25 = 105000 Test Cases

These test cases only validate that the skin will show up properly in the above defined conditions. At 20s to load each location and equip the off-hand and the primary weapon, this would require 583 hours of testing.

This is only a simplified version. Obviously, you can cut down the hours by employing a large QA staff. At 100 QA staff, this would be about 5 hours/employee.

This example only assumes that ANet does full test coverage on all enhancements. However, in most cases, you can assume only 40% test coverage is completed before it is released to the public - which would still translate into about 125 hours of testing total.

This example, which is oversimplified, shows how complex an enhancement, such as adding a new skin to a game, can be.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

22 Aug 2006 at 17:24 - 55

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

The thing is, I still feel my little cause is justified even if I just lied to you about the promised skin update. Although my little grudge is admittedly small, I feel it has validity simply through principle - and if ANET does decide to deny my claim, I would at least like a little bit of closure or admission on their part that they are purposefully neglecting something that should never have had been a question in the first place.

end of this thread for now for me as you have just shot yourself down.

so what if i lied to you its the principle that counts

lying for the principle of it......really weird

YunSooJin

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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22 Aug 2006 at 17:29 - 56

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

end of this thread for now for me as you have just shot yourself down.

so what if i lied to you its the principle that counts

lying for the principle of it......really weird

For clarification, I think it is important to note that I told lyra_song I wasn't sure if the information I recall is true or not.

which is why I said "even if I lied to you".

I would ask you to read more carefully next time but I don't think it will make a difference ^^.

dargon

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22 Aug 2006 at 17:54 - 57

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

Unfortunately Prophecies is still being sold in stores and is not an 'old edition' of a continuing line of software.

Halflife, Everquest, Anarchy Online, etc can all still be bought new in the store, gonna try and say that they should be continually updated too?

gosl

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Join Date: Jun 2005

22 Aug 2006 at 17:54 - 58

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

... I would at least like a little bit of closure or admission on their part that they are purposefully neglecting something that should never have had been a question in the first place.

Let me get this straight, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you claim that Anet is bad for not "fixing" Prophecies and your only justification for such a claim is that weapons with the same skin but different names exists? Is that it? You seem to hover around this one concept even though a lot of people have already addressed the fallacy in it. Yet you never addressed them back and gave a rebuttal.

If I'm understanding your argument correctly, then that is an unfair attack on Anet. You assume weapons can not have the same skin if they have different names. Assumptions are not facts, and so should never be used as proof in an argument.

It seems like your only true foot hold in your quest to have Anet "fix" Tyria is the Swamp Club issue, and even that you're not 100% sure of. And even if Anet did claim to change that skin, that's only ONE skin. It doesn't mean they're suppose to change all weapon skins with different names. Your claim is pretty big and not having proper proof will not suprisingly get you flamed and trolled.

trankle

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22 Aug 2006 at 18:05 - 59

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

Well it is pretty easy to call anyone who complains a whiner. I mean it is the favorite tactic of many people online who disagree with someone who has a complaint (admittedly, myself included). I wholly expected some people to jump around in circles calling me a whiner : P.

It that more or less easy than calling anyone who disagrees with you the "ANET Defender Force (TM)"? Just curious.

Also out of curiosity, what would happen if Anet did the update you're asking for, and your favorite weapons got newer, less attractive skins? Skins are a reason people spend money on weapons. I prefer a spatha on my warrior - I purchased a spatha for him specifically because of the skin (it has the stats I want, of course). What do you say to the legions of other players who did the same? "Tough luck...enjoy your complete game"?

I'm honestly asking, because I think this would be a big deal for a lot of people. Is it worth it to change the items that people sought out, purchased, and modded?

ChildeOfMalkav

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

22 Aug 2006 at 18:42 - 60

I wish they'd just blow up Tyria. Tyria is old content, people. Get over it. Nothing will be like Tyria nor should it be and Tyria will never get a major update/upgrade. And why should it? That chapter is done. Time to move onto the next chapter.

Horseman Of War

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22 Aug 2006 at 18:54 - 61

yeah hopefully they will still make new areas, like sorrows furnace- at least once a year, for Tyria...

I almost feel bad for people who dont have factions simply for the fact that a lot of these "weekend events" are for use on Cantha only..\

two examples:

1. double chest dropping weekend - Um, my Hells Precipice keys arent good enough?

2. Hopefully halloween and christmas events will not be limited to a particular campaign!!! More events need to take place in Tyria.. because Im sure there are plenty of people that only have Factions, and will get Nightfall... but wont get GW1 because of certain valid agruements on the forums.

Personally, of course, I have both campaigns and will be preordering Nightfall as soon as the CE becomes available... Im just trying to think of it on the marketing side of things....

||||||||||||Remember they ARE already well underway for chapter 4... its less than a year away!!! Meaning a character youve started recently will still not have its first birthday pet by the time youre ready to ditch Elona for CHP4

AnnaCloud9

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22 Aug 2006 at 19:10 - 62

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Has there ever bee a GW Weapon that had its skin changed? Like...radically?

Actually, yep! The elemental staves were reworked to, in all honesty, be more recognized as such, rather than a water staff looking like an earth staff which looked like a wicked staff, which inturn looked like an inscribed staff

Though the change was admittedly an easy adjustment (extending the length of the respective wand of the element rather than reskinning them), these weapons were identical across professions. I always thought this was goofy, and which I believe they made a 100% improvement on in Factions, since now a particular profession has its own set of items, all distinguishable, with the Jade/Amber sets thrown in for generic uses across all professions.

Well lyra, not a radical change, but a change nonetheless, to some GW weapons

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

22 Aug 2006 at 19:14 - 63

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

yeah hopefully they will still make new areas, like sorrows furnace- at least once a year, for Tyria...

some time ago there was an official notice that aside from bug fixes, seasonal events, or build upgrades thare was no more new content coming for chapter 1.

which makes sense because then the same thing would be expected for each chapter and soon all they would be doing is make additions rather than new chapters

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

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R/Mo

22 Aug 2006 at 19:18 - 64

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Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

Actually, yep! The elemental staves were reworked to, in all honesty, be more recognized as such, rather than a water staff looking like an earth staff which looked like a wicked staff, which inturn looked like an inscribed staff

Though the change was admittedly an easy adjustment (extending the length of the respective wand of the element rather than reskinning them), these weapons were identical across professions. I always thought this was goofy, and which I believe they made a 100% improvement on in Factions, since now a particular profession has its own set of items, all distinguishable, with the Jade/Amber sets thrown in for generic uses across all professions.

Well lyra, not a radical change, but a change nonetheless, to some GW weapons

IIRC, the new staves replaced the old staves via drops. New versions started dropping, but the old skins didnt instantly change. The old versions stopped dropping. How come my domination staff is still a twig?

The question still is...did Anet promise that? were those twig staves placeholders? or did they just do that as a bonus.

The complaint stems from the idea that it is "unfinished". I dont think its unfinished at all.

AnnaCloud9

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22 Aug 2006 at 19:32 - 65

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

yeah hopefully they will still make new areas, like sorrows furnace- at least once a year, for Tyria...

I still believe the reason for Sorrow's Furnace was:

If Guild Wars failed to be so successful, and given their every 6 months release date of new chapters, think of all the money they would have invested six months ahead of time, and potentially would have lost. Now they're on track, are successful, and now we have to pay for the future expansions (chapters). Sorrow's Furnace was essentially the filler for the 6 month gap, a buffer if you will, for Factions. I doubt there will be any new content like this for Tyria, or even Cantha, since Nightfall is on schedule.

This also has alot to do with why Tyria is so much larger than Cantha - if the product you first release doesn't have a large enough sample period for profits and trends, you're highly unlikely to continue investing in the product that you yourself know nothing about.

Ever wonder why Crystal Pepsi disappeared without a trace?

Y.T.

Jungle Guide

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22 Aug 2006 at 19:37 - 66

whoever worked on tyrian updates r busy with ch3 - ch4, they cant release 1-2 new chapters every year and constantly update the old chapters...

we got lots of new skins in cantha, and we'll get more in nightfall, why bother to add more skin to tyria?

AnnaCloud9

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22 Aug 2006 at 19:52 - 67

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

The complaint stems from the idea that it is "unfinished". I dont think its unfinished at all.

And here you and I agree 101%

Titan Chrae

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22 Aug 2006 at 20:25 - 68

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

Hopefully halloween and christmas events will not be limited to a particular campaign!!! More events need to take place in Tyria.. because Im sure there are plenty of people that only have Factions, and will get Nightfall... but wont get GW1 because of certain valid agruements on the forums.

I think the Halloween and Winterfest events should be limited to Prophesies. It makes since in the lore and they already have all the artwork and logic in place. There is nothing to reprogram...simply recycle last years events.

Likewise, Dragaon Fest should take place every year in Factions.

Nightfall and future chapters should all have chapter specific special events.

Edit to stay on topic: I think different names for the same skin or vice versa is perfectly logical. It happens IRL. I see no reason it shouldn't in the game.

Quantum Duck

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22 Aug 2006 at 20:33 - 69

A huge number of games reuse weapon skins. The fact that the new chapters don't is a new design decision, which does not make the first game "unfinished" because it didn't work that way. There are lots of weapon skins in Prophecies. It just so happens that several of them have multiple names depending on where you pick them up. When they added new skins dropping in Prophecies fairly recently, they made them new weapons as well instead of just reskinning existing weapons. I'm not seeing the problem here.

gabrial heart

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22 Aug 2006 at 21:04 - 70

Interesting, most people think chapter one is a far better game then chapter two. I have both and have no complaints about chapter one being over and done with. I also doubt that a-net will leave chapter one exactly as it is till the end of time concidering the very close ties it has to chapter 3.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu

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22 Aug 2006 at 21:11 - 71

not even taking the time to read the thread its just another complaint about "OMG Cantha gets everything!! WAAAAA I WANT IT!" If ya want the new weapons help anet keep GW Servers up and buy Factions.. They have to improve their new chapters.. When Nightfall hits shelves you can bet yer arse that Cantha is gonna be left in the dust and there are gonna be complaints about that.

zidane888

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22 Aug 2006 at 21:43 - 72

Here's a hypothetical question: If the extra sets of the double named weapons were removed entirely, would this make the game anymore complete? Would you sleep better at night knowing there weren't any duplicates?

I don't believe anyone is arguing that they wouldn't like to see more updates for Prophecies. Au contraire, if Anet had the resources to update, Prophecies, Factions and soon to be Nightfall, I think the community as a whole would rejoice, but for reasons explained in this thread it is a monumental task. Doesn't mean it won't happen though.

Furthermore, your argument can be used in many different ways. For instance, I always felt like not being able to uncover 100% of the map in Prophecies felt incomplete. Does this make the game not finished?
Armors still have clippings and bugs here and there. Do they need to put Nightfall on hold until armors are bug free? Only cut scenes use voice acting, does the whole of Tyria need voice over updates? I can go on and on...

sinican

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22 Aug 2006 at 22:43 - 73

seriousely...

prophacies is a finished game... if you were paying per month to play then yea you coule expect more content for old areas... but just like any damn game out there diablo to diablo 2, bulders gate etc... man they dont go back and add new stuff to old games...

Prophacies is an old game if you want the new content you have to pay for it DUH!...aka go buy factions or nightfall when it is released... everyone except you few can understand this... you cant expect to pay $50 for a game and get new content a year plus after u paid a single fee... they chose not to charge monthly fees and just untroduce expansions/new content as ad-on flat rate games...

its a great stategy it allow people who do not wish to maintain a monthly sub yet allows them to play unlimitedly without presure of pay per month play for the game they bought in the first place....

i can NOT believe people are actuialy bitching because they aren't getting more than what they paid for... you should be extremely happy you got everything you did pay for because a hell of a lot of companies fail to do even that... aka WoW and UO etc... these games promised certain things with there initial releases and did not actually give them... and Ultima Online even had the nerve to charge for a new expansion that included content that was promissed in previous expansions that people already paid to get and never got it... hence why im not playing UO anymore after 7 years....

grow up and grasp reality... i mean that in the nicest way possible

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

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Redmond

22 Aug 2006 at 22:56 - 74

If you want new content and new skin for Chapter 1, you can have it but for a price.

It is called Factions, you just need to buy that box.

Otherwise, would all of you who agree with the OP be prepared to pay an online fee for the new skins, that is so....important to you, that you absolutely must have them otherwise the game is broken?

guildwarsnerd

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22 Aug 2006 at 23:08 - 75

It's all about budgeting money.

Prophecies is now an 'older' game, meaning that ANet isn't making much money off of it. And so that means that they won't make any money by enhancing it or adding events to it. If they included Prophecies in the festivals/events/new skins, they would lose time and money. Granted, it may not be much, but still.

When Anet does an event, it encourages potential customers to buy the game because Anet seems like a really good company. And they are a good company. But new customers will buy the newest version of the game, because it's, well, newer.

So it really doesn't make sense from a business point-of-view to spend money on something that won't make money. Make the arguements you want, but Anet isn't stupid. They know what makes money and what doesn't, and apparently, Prophecies doesn't make money.

Another reason for the exclusive events is to entice those of you with only prophecies to also buy Factions. And my thought on this is that if you play Prophecies and enjoy it, you should also buy Factions, as the money from Factions is supporting the servers for Prophecies.

So should Anet lose some money and time (time spent on updating Factions and Nightfall) to please the minority of players with only Prophecies? Or should you go out and spend $50 to support Anet continuing their events/festivals/games?

~Guildwarsnerd

generik

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22 Aug 2006 at 23:20 - 76

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

So you guys think its okay that ANET simply forgets about the game as long as there are new chapters?

You are looking for WoW, what incentive does Anet have to keep refreshing content for you with no subscription fee? Right.. none.

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

I dont understand your rationale. What if Cantha was jipped like Tyria and then nightfall comes out? It's all okay and there's a clean slate?..

No, it will come around to bite them in the ass later with a huge influx of Prophecies/Factions accounts on eBay and *decreased Nightfall sales*

Players aren't idiots, if they are getting fleeced why would they continue to support Anet - they won't.

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

22 Aug 2006 at 23:29 - 77

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Originally Posted by generik

No, it will come around to bite them in the ass later with a huge influx of Prophecies/Factions accounts on eBay and *decreased Nightfall sales*

Players aren't idiots, if they are getting fleeced why would they continue to support Anet - they won't.

Personally I think they should have gone for the online fees option, but ANet has a unique business model which they think would work. Oh well, as more Chapters start rolling out we would see if their business model actually works or not.

No online fees, but surviving by selling new chapters would cause certain players to complain if they only want to pay for 1 Chapter but expect new content continuously. For these players, WoW business model may work better.

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

22 Aug 2006 at 23:31 - 78

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

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Guild Wars isn't an "older RPG" - it should be a "new" RPG - and better than the "older" ones.

Alright, you have convinced me that you are just being flamebait. An old game costs $50 in 1995, a new game costs $50 in 2006, tell me again, why would Anet need to make the game more "complete" in 2006 then in 1995?

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

22 Aug 2006 at 23:37 - 79

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Originally Posted by Alias_X

Anet has to worry about completely new games every 6 months, do you realize how much of a burden that is?

Assuming even a modest 1 million copies sold that is 100 million a year, boo hoo, such a burden! Oh, may the Gods curse the day this Arena.net was incorporated! It is such an unbearable burden! I am sure the devs and CEO are wanting to end their lives right now.

I don't fully agree with Yun but your point is even more outrageous. If anything they brought it upon themselves with their own greed and marketing model, they can very well make a update every 9 months for all I care.

Poison Ivy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Toronto

Hopping

Mo/A

22 Aug 2006 at 23:37 - 80

GW wants us to buy Factions, allowing Prophecies to have speacial events is only going to encourage Prophecies only owners not to buy Factions...which is not what Anet wants..