Selling a cd-key
ChrOnic_Seizures
is it ok to sell a clean set of cd-keys with no account attacted to them?
Zinger314
No. Hell no.
Eviance
As far as I know that is also against the EULA.
Once the game has been purchased then they have made their money - you sell it to someone else and you are making the money reguardless of if its been used or not.
Once the game has been purchased then they have made their money - you sell it to someone else and you are making the money reguardless of if its been used or not.
Xenex Xclame
Hmm im not sure about this, since you didnt agree to the eula yet..
But still the answer is no i believe.
On the GW box :
Important :Not valid for purchase if opened.Not valid for resale by prior owner.Acceptance of certain agreements is required.Players are responsible for all apllicable fees.
So by that part it already says that because you already owned it you can not sell it.
The whole no resale thing is to protect potential buyers from scammers, so in my opinion if you have a soccerfriend (example..) and you know he likes these kinds of games and you want to sell it to him , go ahead.
If you are the one trying to buy this ( from someone you dont know, or only know from internet) DO NOT do it.Its too easy too scam.
But still the answer is no i believe.
On the GW box :
Important :Not valid for purchase if opened.Not valid for resale by prior owner.Acceptance of certain agreements is required.Players are responsible for all apllicable fees.
So by that part it already says that because you already owned it you can not sell it.
The whole no resale thing is to protect potential buyers from scammers, so in my opinion if you have a soccerfriend (example..) and you know he likes these kinds of games and you want to sell it to him , go ahead.
If you are the one trying to buy this ( from someone you dont know, or only know from internet) DO NOT do it.Its too easy too scam.
quickmonty
I see no harm in a transaction between friends. It's like, you picked it up for him while you were in the store and he's now giving you the money for it. I can't see anything illegal, shady or scamming in that.
Carinae
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Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame
Not valid for resale by prior owner.
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Bane of Worlds
Well it's against the EULA.
prism2525
I got my factions copy via a friend as i don't have a CC. Is that illegal?? Anet got their money, my friend got his. i don't see anything wrong.
Bane of Worlds
did your friend get it online?
you don't need a CC to buy the game since you can buy it locally from your retail or game store unless you're in one of those middle of nowhere locations.
you don't need a CC to buy the game since you can buy it locally from your retail or game store unless you're in one of those middle of nowhere locations.
Xenex Xclame
I know it is against the eula, but he did not agree to it yet!
Im assuming he bought a second gw but never used it, he didnt open it, it was just in his closet collecting dust.
And im pretty sure your right Carinae,the only reason i can see why that is there is so they have to power to ban you for that part alone.
Im assuming he bought a second gw but never used it, he didnt open it, it was just in his closet collecting dust.
And im pretty sure your right Carinae,the only reason i can see why that is there is so they have to power to ban you for that part alone.
prism2525
he got it shipped from an online store (i have the case and all)
Also i'd rather NOT buy it locally. it costs waaaay too much from here (like 20 euros more than normal)
Also i'd rather NOT buy it locally. it costs waaaay too much from here (like 20 euros more than normal)
The Muffen Man
The EULA isnt law its a contract between you and who ever owns the rights to the game, selling a fresh cd key or the whole boxed game is perfectly legal also if its an unused cd key the EULA hasnt been agreed to therefor no contract has been accepted. 
Now I dont care what anet say or anyone else once you buy something its yours to do what you like aslong as you are not infringing on the copy rights.
Lets say you buy a car or a house, tv what ever and the company says to you once you buy it you cant resell it what would you do, you would laugh.
Therefor anet legaly cant do anything about it.
Now I dont care what anet say or anyone else once you buy something its yours to do what you like aslong as you are not infringing on the copy rights.
Lets say you buy a car or a house, tv what ever and the company says to you once you buy it you cant resell it what would you do, you would laugh.
Therefor anet legaly cant do anything about it.
Carinae
Even if the EULA says "Anet has the power to kill you at will." and you agree to it, it still doesn't count. Local, State and Federal laws supercede EULAs, and often certain rights are inalienable, which means you can't surrender certain rights.
They add it to the EULA knowing full well that it will be overridden in most jurisdictions, but so what? They aren't out anything if it's not allowed. Plus they could ban you and MAKE you fight them in court, which is easier for them than you.
Are you talking about selling an unopened copy to a friend? or selling 5000 previously owned copies on Ebay? There is a difference.
They add it to the EULA knowing full well that it will be overridden in most jurisdictions, but so what? They aren't out anything if it's not allowed. Plus they could ban you and MAKE you fight them in court, which is easier for them than you.
Are you talking about selling an unopened copy to a friend? or selling 5000 previously owned copies on Ebay? There is a difference.
Leather Rebel
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Am I clear now? I once tried to buy a secondary acount to play gvgs. And I got scammed for 700k (propechies + factions + lots of unlocks).
Am I clear now? I once tried to buy a secondary acount to play gvgs. And I got scammed for 700k (propechies + factions + lots of unlocks).
Sir Skullcrasher
Against EULA.. but let just said that someone here probably done it before. Selling it and if A-Net found out about it, usually result in the account getting lock down or banned.
dargon
Ok, it's against the EULA, however, the intention of that is part warning against people who buy from eBay. Someone could buy a copy from Plaync via credit card, sell the key via eBay, and the cancel the sale on their credit card. ANet then kills the account and the person who bought it from eBay is out their cash with no real recourse. If your friend bought the game from a store and then you bought it from him without things every having been opened, I doubt ANet would have any serious issues with it, unless your reasoning is to circumvent a stores policies on not selling certain games to people under a certain age, etc. It is against the eula though, so buyer beware.
ChrOnic_Seizures
that kinda sux i mean im not going to try and sell my account which has 6 lvl 20's with 15k armor , im going to delete the account and sell the cd-key i mean shit i paid 100$ to have both games 100$ worth of my hard earned money and now i can't make a little money back ? thats jacked up.
p.s. i haven't did this and if its against the rules then i won't.
p.s. i haven't did this and if its against the rules then i won't.
Stockholm
As long as it is unopend it's perfectly legal, if the key have not been opend and applied to an account, the content of the box is legally yours untill you go online and register an account. You can buy a game box and give as a present, and you can buy a game box and resell it, same as the stores do.
EternalTempest
If the key has never been used, it may be against the EULA... but then again there is no way for anet to know it was a resale key (since it's never been active).
Loviatar
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once it has been created thats it.
the most they can do is perma lock it but they cannot alter/delete the core account you created and have a fresh key to set up a new account
Crispie
Against the EULA, but as far as selling the key from a legal stance, Im pretty sure its legal as long as you haven't used it. Not sure for sure though.
Age
If you contact NCsoft and ask thme to delete your account then you are free to sell the game as used despite what it says on the box.You can not sell a cd key as that would be copyright infringment.
Xenrath
If you've not even used the key, there's no account created. So long as you're not trying to pawn off a stolen key, then go ahead. You're not breaking any real law and just buying a program doesn't automatically mean you've agreed to the EULA (pretty sure about that bit)
Mordakai
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If you contact NCsoft and ask thme to delete your account then you are free to sell the game as used despite what it says on the box.
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Will Anet do that? Seems like a lot of work for them with no profit.
coldplay
if the box has never been opened, it maybe ok for resell.
about CDKEY, how can the owner promise will never use that cdkey in anyway after sold
about CDKEY, how can the owner promise will never use that cdkey in anyway after sold
generik
Yes, because you have not accepted any EULA to start with.
Mushroom
Here is a good rule of thumb:
If it is opened, it is used. If it is unopened, it is new.
If you buy an unopened box (reguardless of where you bought it), it is legal. If you buy a box that has been opened, it is considered "used", and violates EULA.
If it is opened, it is used. If it is unopened, it is new.
If you buy an unopened box (reguardless of where you bought it), it is legal. If you buy a box that has been opened, it is considered "used", and violates EULA.
Xenrath
Oh I'm sure a lawyer or two would have something unflattering to say about "you opened this box therefore you agree to the license inside, which you haven't even read yet" defence...
Loviatar
TO EVERYBODY HERE WHO CANT READ OR COMPREHEND WHAT HE POSTED.
IT IS
OPENED
USED
ACTIVATED
CLEAR SO FAR THAT IT IS NOT UNOPENED?
PROOF FROM HIS OWN POST FOLLOWS
is this clear now?
IT IS
OPENED
USED
ACTIVATED
CLEAR SO FAR THAT IT IS NOT UNOPENED?
PROOF FROM HIS OWN POST FOLLOWS
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sinican
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TO EVERYBODY HERE WHO CANT READ OR COMPREHEND WHAT HE POSTED.
IT IS OPENED USED ACTIVATED CLEAR SO FAR THAT IT IS NOT UNOPENED? PROOF FROM HIS OWN POST FOLLOWS is this clear now? |
but for the sake of arguement... assuming a cd key hasn't been activated.... like many others have said even if the eula says its illegal it is NOT there has been no agreement because the cdkey has been unused...
there is no copyright infringment like one person said because there is NO COPYING of any amterial going on it would be an origional unused cdkey retail or otherwise it can be sold...
the onlything that would make it illegal is if the irs found out that whoever resold it did not pay taxes on the money they recieved from selling it... still laughable though, like the irs gives a crap about small time crap like that...
i dont care what any eula or tos says if it is unactivated there is no eula/tos to use and it isnt an illegal copy it would be an original
Tainek
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yup thats clear...
but for the sake of arguement... assuming a cd key hasn't been activated.... like many others have said even if the eula says its illegal it is NOT there has been no agreement because the cdkey has been unused... i dont care what any eula or tos says if it is unactivated there is no eula/tos to use and it isnt an illegal copy it would be an original |
The EULA does not make selling cd-keys illegal Anywhere, it does however give anet permission to cut off your account
the EULA is about as useful in a courtroom as a peice of toilet paper
not to mention with the advent of purchaseable character slots, in some areas of the word it is very, very shady as to wether anet is allowed to ban your account after your purchase them, it can be considered by some courts theft of property (yes i know its not a real item, but that isnt the point)
still, only an idiot buys a cd key second hand
Griff Mon
I had a lucky friend in my guild that got 2 CD-Keys in his box. And he used it. It's against the Eula, I am sure.
How the hell is anyone gonna find out? If they do, you are screwed. But really there is no chance unless you announce it to the world.
Like you did here, on this forum.
How the hell is anyone gonna find out? If they do, you are screwed. But really there is no chance unless you announce it to the world.
Like you did here, on this forum.
majoho
Why can't people just answer in a basic way.
If the game is already registered it can't be sold/handed over
If not it can.
If the game is already registered it can't be sold/handed over
If not it can.
Gaile Gray
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If you contact NCsoft and ask thme to delete your account then you are free to sell the game as used despite what it says on the box.You can not sell a cd key as that would be copyright infringment.
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BTW, one of the largest sources of support tickets comes from people buying a used account and then finding the seller has reclaimed the account, leaving the new buyer with nothing. It's call scamming. And it can take a lot of wasted time and effort to figure out who owns what. In cases where the initial purchaser tries to recover the game, and the secondary buyer tries to claim that which he's paid for, somebody is going to lose. That is one of the reasons why we do not support secondary sales, because it wastes support time that we would rather spend fixing the game or helping those who aren't trying to do something shady.
Clord
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Am I clear now? I once tried to buy a secondary acount to play gvgs. And I got scammed for 700k (propechies + factions + lots of unlocks). |
prism2525
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Ok, it's against the EULA, however, the intention of that is part warning against people who buy from eBay. Someone could buy a copy from Plaync via credit card, sell the key via eBay, and the cancel the sale on their credit card. ANet then kills the account and the person who bought it from eBay is out their cash with no real recourse. If your friend bought the game from a store and then you bought it from him without things every having been opened, I doubt ANet would have any serious issues with it, unless your reasoning is to circumvent a stores policies on not selling certain games to people under a certain age, etc. It is against the eula though, so buyer beware.
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fgarvin
How would they ever know? All they're gonna see is a change in e-mail address and password. Being a wee bit paranoid, I've done that on my account twice...
But then again, it would be wrong, and your future grandchildren would hate you for doing it.
Seriously, I wouldn't do it because I did agree to the EULA, and to me, doing something you've already agreed not to do would be immoral.
But then again, it would be wrong, and your future grandchildren would hate you for doing it.
Seriously, I wouldn't do it because I did agree to the EULA, and to me, doing something you've already agreed not to do would be immoral.
dargon
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Originally Posted by fgarvin
How would they ever know? All they're gonna see is a change in e-mail address and password. Being a wee bit paranoid, I've done that on my account twice...
But then again, it would be wrong, and your future grandchildren would hate you for doing it. Seriously, I wouldn't do it because I did agree to the EULA, and to me, doing something you've already agreed not to do would be immoral. |
Pandora's box
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They may also note a change in IP address, or the fact that all the characters on the account were deleted, as well as their belongings were suddenly sold / given away. If you have access to a server, it's pretty easy to tell when an account has changed hands.
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Sir Skullcrasher
so the EULA stated that we can't sell our account... but what if we switch a different computer or location would they think that our account is in someone's hand?