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Originally Posted by Addone_Abaddon
say 2 level 13 caromi tengu can almost wipe out a party of 8 level 20s..
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Enemy tengu - Overpowered?
tomcruisejr
Age
When playing with henches it is not as easy as it sounds the Krytan one as one mention use riposte and seeking blade and Stefan anf Thom have a hard time with that.The scouts usually target Alesia and the brave target Orion if you bring him.The best thing is to walk as far ahead and then pull way back 1 group target the wise then scouts and finally the brave.It is best to have a protection Monk if you can or if you are on keep Orion alive so that his Firestorm will make tham scatter it would be nice if he had Meteor Showers.
The same for the lvl 20s if you are soloing just run thru them hit sprint or charge when you get close to them and rinse and repeat.The tough part is when leaving from Granite is the Summit Rangers who use Melandrus arrows shields up would help.when useing henchies it is not that easy unless you are patient which for the most part I am not it is easy when I play protection Monk.
The same for the lvl 20s if you are soloing just run thru them hit sprint or charge when you get close to them and rinse and repeat.The tough part is when leaving from Granite is the Summit Rangers who use Melandrus arrows shields up would help.when useing henchies it is not that easy unless you are patient which for the most part I am not it is easy when I play protection Monk.
Addone_Abaddon
^thanks, hopefullym that post was on my side
Retribution X
I just the anet nerf bat, and they DROP DEAD.
J/K
They drop like flies with the right build. Learn to fight them.
J/K
They drop like flies with the right build. Learn to fight them.
Da Cebuano
I only read the OP.................. Are you serious?
Addone_Abaddon
I've seen this mentioned so many times, what's OP?
Da Cebuano
Original post/poster
neoflame
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Originally Posted by Addone_Abaddon
2 level 13 caromi tengu can almost wipe out a party of 8 level 20s
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MMSDome
well you used to solo level 17 tengu outside riverside province so I dont really see tengu as overpowered...
Avicara are tengu, 55's kill them and they are level 24...
Avicara are tengu, 55's kill them and they are level 24...
Addone_Abaddon
I said that I was exagurating.
Marty Silverblade
You're having trouble? Just take a shocking weapon.
Mark Nevermiss
I think Prophecies hench are just really awful and their levels often inadequate to the areas adjacent to the outpost you start from.
The tengu are not that tough if you pick them every 2-3 alone, start with the tengu wild then the braves. I can do that with my ranger without hench so it shouldnt be hard. The problem with the aviacara are mainly the groups of fierce which assisst on one target and hit really hard. I took out 3 warriors with my R/N w/o problem [using ss, mark of pain and whirling defences]
About enemies being hard thats the way this game works. Take for example the Boreas Seabed mission in Factions. The Luxon bosses you fight against are tough but when u take them out as hench they are very weak.
The tengu are not that tough if you pick them every 2-3 alone, start with the tengu wild then the braves. I can do that with my ranger without hench so it shouldnt be hard. The problem with the aviacara are mainly the groups of fierce which assisst on one target and hit really hard. I took out 3 warriors with my R/N w/o problem [using ss, mark of pain and whirling defences]
About enemies being hard thats the way this game works. Take for example the Boreas Seabed mission in Factions. The Luxon bosses you fight against are tough but when u take them out as hench they are very weak.
Arturo02
"I like the southern shiverpeaks lol, there's always a way round avrica, and if skill capping, and tengu are in the way of a boss, go to another spawn location of the boss lol."
When you zone into Mineral Springs, you have to deal with two mobs of avicara, one rangers one warriors. Casters breaking line of sight get retargetted once they strafe out in the open and you have to contend with ignite arrow spike as well.
Just one example of how you can't just get around them all the time. But we are talking a zone with a handful of nice elites. So it shouldn't be easy
When you zone into Mineral Springs, you have to deal with two mobs of avicara, one rangers one warriors. Casters breaking line of sight get retargetted once they strafe out in the open and you have to contend with ignite arrow spike as well.
Just one example of how you can't just get around them all the time. But we are talking a zone with a handful of nice elites. So it shouldn't be easy
MisterB
Analyze their skills, exploit their weakness, and watch them drop like flies. I remember the Tengu were great for rune farming when runes were actually worth something, and the Avicara are a fun solo challenge.
edit: Every single sentence in the first post is wrong.
edit: Every single sentence in the first post is wrong.
Bolygo
ROFL!!! N3rF t3H T3n5z0rZ
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by MMSDome
well you used to solo level 17 tengu outside riverside province so I dont really see tengu as overpowered...
Avicara are tengu, 55's kill them and they are level 24... |
The Avicara in Mineral Springs are insanely powerful against henchman. Probably becuase they're beyond stupid... group up... and run around instead of healing.
Addone_Abaddon
still, talon silverwing is underpowered against other tengu, and nika is underpowered against oni
The truth itself
Addone_Abaddon:
Talon is a hench, henchies are suposed to be "bad, to force you to play with the "really bad" PUG groups. Forcing teamplay.
I really can't agree with you in any way, tengus are very easy, just like everything else in PvE.
Only problems i ever had with them, is in Mineral springs with their dodge ranger spike vs. henchmen. > Aegis > No problem.
You do realize that, the ettins just outside the town in Kryta are nerfed right?
They had their drops reduced.
If you want to ettin farm, run to the Ascalon settlement, kill those right outside, run back to previous instant, and go back to Ascalon settlement.
Talon is a hench, henchies are suposed to be "bad, to force you to play with the "really bad" PUG groups. Forcing teamplay.
I really can't agree with you in any way, tengus are very easy, just like everything else in PvE.
Only problems i ever had with them, is in Mineral springs with their dodge ranger spike vs. henchmen. > Aegis > No problem.
You do realize that, the ettins just outside the town in Kryta are nerfed right?
They had their drops reduced.
If you want to ettin farm, run to the Ascalon settlement, kill those right outside, run back to previous instant, and go back to Ascalon settlement.
Age
When in mineral spring alway if they are around target the Ardent that thier Monk.I can't compare the Talon with those in Tyria as they are meat eaters according to book.
Phantom Gun
Well if you are talking about the kryta ones yeah they do seem a little tough for level 13. I had been soloing in the maguuma Jungle of and on for a few days with my warrior monk when I decided to go back and pick up some outposts I missed. So I picked up henchies and left from lions arch to bergen hot springs. Ran into a huge cluster of them.
So I figured I would just wait for smaller groups to break apart and take them out. What happens? My henchies aggro the larger mob and we all die. I managed to take out smaller groups the second time and got around to my destination. It is a challenge but it can be done with some good ninja skills.
So I figured I would just wait for smaller groups to break apart and take them out. What happens? My henchies aggro the larger mob and we all die. I managed to take out smaller groups the second time and got around to my destination. It is a challenge but it can be done with some good ninja skills.
latbec
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Originally Posted by Addone_Abaddon
still, talon silverwing is underpowered against other tengu, and nika is underpowered against oni
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To refer to your original post, to farm icebreaker with a warrior, you can easily run past the avicara by just using sprint. You don't need a running build, you just need sprint :P.
Curse You
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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr
those 2 tengu must farm fame in HA now.
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About Talon, I know why he sucks so much. His Tactic are only at 6. Seriously, when he uses "Charge!", it only says 7 seconds. So his healing signet only heals him for 85 health.
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by latbec
Every warriors are underpowered against a monster (or a farmer :P ) using riposte and these kind of skills.
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Makkert
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Originally Posted by Addone_Abaddon
I think they are, I dunno why, but no matter what level a tengu is, say 2 level 13 caromi tengu can almost wipe out a party of 8 level 20s, I dunno why, they just seem invincible, and the warriors best defense (bonetti's defense) doesn't work on them, they are also almost invulnerable to any melee attacks. Everyone I know hates them, and for some reason, the tengu of cantha on our side, talon and so on, seem extremely weak compared to other tengu, talon silverwing is always the first to die after the healer.
I like a challenge, but most people agree that tengu are rediculously overpowered, and there's no builds against them. They also prevent me from trying to get the ice breaker, I need a running build if I wanna get the slightest chance to get past them to the grawls, but there's no farming/running builds, and I can't farm with a running build. |
Hyaon
Damnit, I had those two tengu the other day in my party for Imperial Sanctum, they ran off in front of us aggroing everything shouting HUMANS ARE STUPID then left the mission 
reetkever
Muhahaha I love the tengu, they really were troublesome back in my newb days, I just couldn't get past them (even taking the Mad King's Guards didn't help). What was beyond the tengu was a mystery for me, I didn't know of ToA, and tried to do Villainy of Galrath with henchies from Lion's Arch.
(no, I didn't know I had to do missions to get further in the game :P)
I hated them back then, but looking back, I really had a great time back then.
(no, I didn't know I had to do missions to get further in the game :P)
I hated them back then, but looking back, I really had a great time back then.
Hyaon
UPDATE: Now the two tengu are griefing me. I don't know how but they keep following me when I go farming and scare my targets away by setting up a disco......seriously anet I will not be buying nightfall until those two tengu are stopped!
twotengugriefing.jpg
twotengugriefing.jpg
arcanemacabre
LMAO, Hyaon!
So great
<- that's the tear of laughter
So great
<- that's the tear of laughter
The Silver Star
Lol.. what a great picture, makes this thread worth while reading :P But seriously, they are supposed to try and kill you not stand and watch as you kill them
bungusmaximus
If u think Tengu are nasty (which they are, but its not too bad) try traveling to Deldrimor War Camp with a monk + henchies. summit herders, summit herders and looooots of summit herders (Giant stomp=sooo annoying). every time you flee half of your hencies are blocked and get waxed. The only way to beat them is to pull small groups with a longbow, but it takes ages...
King's Spectre
Heheh those lvl13 ones outside LA are nasty red engines, aren't they.