FOW Armor takes too long
Energizer Deth Buni
Material amounts need to be cutdown for FOW armor. This is unfair for the people who have to try to get it now. Think about the people who got their FOW when you could make 100 plat an hour. Why should new people have to Grind and Grind, when the old people had an unfair Pre-nerf advantage. I have a job, cant grind 8 hours a day just to get it. Why should we further encourage people to buy plat online? Im not saying it should be easy but I didnt think this game was about grinding. Your thoughts anyone?
Chilly Ress
no. why should people not have to try to get the rarest armor in the game?
Zinger314
FoW doesn't give you any gameplay advantage. Henceforth, the high cost is justified.
(Yeesh, the dead horses are getting whuuped recently. How long until Nightfall?
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(Yeesh, the dead horses are getting whuuped recently. How long until Nightfall?
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Enchanted Warrior
"I have a job, cant grind 8 hours a day just to get it."
Designed behavior, GW is mostly a daycare center so they need to keep the kiddies occupied.
Designed behavior, GW is mostly a daycare center so they need to keep the kiddies occupied.
ZomgZergRush
This game IS no grind for perfect items. You can get max items for a few K's. It DOES take grind to get the rarest armor in the game.
Energizer Deth Buni
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
FoW doesn't give you any gameplay advantage. Henceforth, the high cost is justified.
(Yeesh, the dead horses are getting whuuped recently. How long until Nightfall? ) |
But when old players were making 100k per hour to get it, they got it alot faster. ANET left newer players at a disadvantage. Why should new players be denied that part of the game that they paid for?
manaleak34
Because it's not nessasary.
You can get the same Stats that you get from FoW armor from 1.5 K armor over at Droks.
The diffrence? Looks. Nothing more.
Basiclly it's like buying a fancy car, it works just as good as any other car. It just looks nicer and is more expensive.
Also why can't newer players grind out 100k an hour like old players?
You can get the same Stats that you get from FoW armor from 1.5 K armor over at Droks.
The diffrence? Looks. Nothing more.
Basiclly it's like buying a fancy car, it works just as good as any other car. It just looks nicer and is more expensive.
Also why can't newer players grind out 100k an hour like old players?
Opeth11
The whole point of the armor is to show off your wealth. If you can't afford the armor, then you can't show it off.
Shyft the Pyro
"Too long" is a subjective judgment, not an objective one. Each player has to decide on their own what precisely "too long" is, and if they mark something as "too long" they'll probably move on to other things. Personally, I've decided that getting faction point titles would take too long, and while I could potentially farm faction even when Nightfall is out I choose not to. The question of getting FOW armor is likewise one of personal choice since the FOW armor has no game-mechanical advantage over any other.
Most people don't go for things that take too long to get because they want to enjoy the game rather than grind. You're complaining that FOW armor takes too long to get but you're still trying to get it. If you want it, there is no such thing as "too long." You have to deal with the grind because you're not going to suddenly obtain it faster.
(OMG grind in GW?! Blasphemy! Kill thread!)
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Originally Posted by Energizer Deth Buni
I have a job, cant grind 8 hours a day just to get it.
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Loviatar
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quit whineing already.
if it is too much work to get dont get it.
if it is worth it to you do it and stop complaining as you made the choice to get it.
too hard?.....then get 15k armor for your characters
still too hard?.........get 1.5k for them
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Originally Posted by Energizer Deth Buni
Material amounts need to be cutdown for FOW armor. This is unfair for the people who have to try to get it now. Think about the people who got their FOW when you could make 100 plat an hour. Why should new people have to Grind and Grind, when the old people had an unfair Pre-nerf advantage. I have a job, cant grind 8 hours a day just to get it. Why should we further encourage people to buy plat online? Im not saying it should be easy but I didnt think this game was about grinding. Your thoughts anyone?[/QUOTE]
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if it is too much work to get dont get it.
if it is worth it to you do it and stop complaining as you made the choice to get it.
too hard?.....then get 15k armor for your characters
still too hard?.........get 1.5k for them
Alfrond
My view on FOW armor always was that it was supposed to incredibly hard to get. It was supposed to take a long, long time. It is pretty much the ultimate material accomplishment for pve players so one would expect it to live up to its reputation. However, I realize that for many players trying to get FOW is probably really boring. I could never do it. Luckily, there is a solution! 15k armor is also cool looking and many people respect it almost as much as FOW (at least I do). Why don't you set 15k as your new goal?
Captain Arne Is PRO
The older players no longer have that advantage.. I have an idea though: Go make 100k, invest that 100k into several godly items that you find for cheap, and resell. I went from 0-1000k in a week playing like this and that took place a month ago.
lishi
plus they look uglyer the most of 15k's
Xaero Gouki Kriegor
european server + http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...splay.php?f=31 = ??? . . . ill leave it to you to figure out the rest . . . .
nightshade_eyes
Wow, what a whiner. If Anet was to change FoW to total 100k in costs, Energizer Deth Buni what would you whine about next? Let me guess, "Creating a new character in Nightfall takes too long! There are too many choices too make..do I want brown or grey hair...tall or short..<sigh>"
+1000k for the rarest armor is fine the way it is. Go buy several sets of 15k instead. You will have a more flexible character.
+1000k for the rarest armor is fine the way it is. Go buy several sets of 15k instead. You will have a more flexible character.
Haggard
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The whole point of the armor is to show off your wealth. If you can't afford the armor, then you can't show it off.
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Symon Butterthingers
Energizer Deth Buni
ectos were still above 10k when i bought last FoW part for my ele... so by my standards FoW armor became ridicilously easy to get, which lowers the value of work I have put into it. Now you say lets make it even chaper... No, lets not.
ectos were still above 10k when i bought last FoW part for my ele... so by my standards FoW armor became ridicilously easy to get, which lowers the value of work I have put into it. Now you say lets make it even chaper... No, lets not.
Addone_Abaddon
I like being amazed when I walk into ToA at a person standing infront of me in FoW armor, and I bet he felt good about himself, he put alot of work into it and is satisfied, why ruin it for them?
Life is about setting accomplishments, to enjoy the satisfaction when they're completed, it wouldn't be as sastifying if it was easier and if 20 more people were in it.
Life is about setting accomplishments, to enjoy the satisfaction when they're completed, it wouldn't be as sastifying if it was easier and if 20 more people were in it.
awesome sauce
To the OP: I agree completely. FoW armor is nothing but encouragement for farming bots, scams, ebay gold buying, and obese people who sit an their *** all day. But, with what ANet did with skills recently I wouldn't be surprised if they, too, ended up selling FoW for real life money.
Exoudeous
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Originally Posted by awesome sauce
To the OP: I agree completely. FoW armor is nothing but encouragement for farming bots, scams, ebay gold buying, and obese people who sit an their *** all day. But, with what ANet did with skills recently I wouldn't be surprised if they, too, ended up selling FoW for real life money.
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Assumptions make an ass out of just you
to the OP, well if you want FoW armor so bad, then slowly build up the materials and such, if you want it so badly you will work for it, if not, to bad. You dont go complaining to the Ferarri dealer cause their cars are to expensive do you?
Feminist Terrorist
I thought the OP hated this game and stopped playing it.
I wouldn't mind getting FOW armor for my ele, 'cause it's kinda interesting looking, but I don't want it that much to farm for it. Monk FOW, though, yeesh, looks like pajamas.
I wouldn't mind getting FOW armor for my ele, 'cause it's kinda interesting looking, but I don't want it that much to farm for it. Monk FOW, though, yeesh, looks like pajamas.
Crispie
Unfortunately(or fortunately?) its designed as a grinders gear, for those MMOers out there who love working hard at instances to get their gear. If you don't have the time to get it, don't bother complaining about not having it, its not meant for you. Sorry :\
Energizer Deth Buni
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Originally Posted by awesome sauce
To the OP: I agree completely. FoW armor is nothing but encouragement for farming bots, scams, ebay gold buying, and obese people who sit an their *** all day. But, with what ANet did with skills recently I wouldn't be surprised if they, too, ended up selling FoW for real life money.
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sgtclarity
Solution: DON'T BUY IT.
If the thought of other people having it abhors you, simply close your eyes and mash wasd in hopes of running away from them!
If the thought of other people having it abhors you, simply close your eyes and mash wasd in hopes of running away from them!
Zinger314
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Originally Posted by Energizer Deth Buni
Thx for the agreement, and Im not saying that it should be TOO EASY. I just think it would level the playing field for when the 100k an hour people could get it. I mean come on, 100k an hour??? Not too mention that shard drops have been nerfed down and ecto drops have been nerfed down.
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Legeon
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Originally Posted by Crispie
Unfortunately(or fortunately?) its designed as a grinders gear, for those MMOers out there who love working hard at instances to get their gear. If you don't have the time to get it, don't bother complaining about not having it, its not meant for you. Sorry :\
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What if you stored 20k a week every week for a year. Depending on where you farm you can get 20k in 2 hours nevermind in a week. So if you did 20k a week for 1 year, you could get FoW.
Yes it takes a while but it's certainly do-able.
Exoudeous
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Originally Posted by Energizer Deth Buni
Thx for the agreement, and Im not saying that it should be TOO EASY. I just think it would level the playing field for when the 100k an hour people could get it. I mean come on, 100k an hour??? Not too mention that shard drops have been nerfed down and ecto drops have been nerfed down.
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Paperfly
The "I should have access to every aspect of the game I paid for" argument is mildly ridiculous. I fail to understand why this logic applies to (non-monthly-fee) online games and not single player experiences, for instance.
I never beat the original Battletoads on the NES (known for being one of the hardest games of all time). It's unfair, I didn't have the hundreds of hours* required to memorise every movement pattern so I could beat the game! But I should get to see the ending sequence, I paid for it!
I never got to experience three of the five possible "romance" trees in Baldur's Gate II (because that would've involved playing the 200 hour game three more times, and it would've been pretty tedious)! OMG, I lost out on my investment!
I've played Guild Wars for hundreds and hundreds of hours, and I haven't experienced every possible thing there is to experience about the game. That doesn't mean I've been ripped off, it means the game is huge and consequently better value for money.
*I probably spent a lot of tens, though
I never beat the original Battletoads on the NES (known for being one of the hardest games of all time). It's unfair, I didn't have the hundreds of hours* required to memorise every movement pattern so I could beat the game! But I should get to see the ending sequence, I paid for it!
I never got to experience three of the five possible "romance" trees in Baldur's Gate II (because that would've involved playing the 200 hour game three more times, and it would've been pretty tedious)! OMG, I lost out on my investment!
I've played Guild Wars for hundreds and hundreds of hours, and I haven't experienced every possible thing there is to experience about the game. That doesn't mean I've been ripped off, it means the game is huge and consequently better value for money.
*I probably spent a lot of tens, though
awesome sauce
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I have a job, go to college, and I take martial arts classes on the weekends, and I still was able to get FoW armor playing the game normaly Assumptions make an ass out of just you |
On topic, I think a solution to this would be to lower the prices, but to make the quests in the forge more difficult. That way, if someone has FoW, people can say: "wow... he must be very skilled at this game" , rather than "wow, he payed a lot to get that" when they see someone with it on.
solingro
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On topic, I think a solution to this would be to lower the prices, but to make the quests in the forge more difficult. That way, if someone has FoW, people can say: "wow... he must be very skilled at this game" , rather than "wow, he payed a lot to get that" when they see someone with it on.
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sunh3h3
ectos were at a price range of 12k-13k b4 when i bought 120 of em for FoW armor, and what's the price now? 6-6.5k!! I worked hard to get em becuz i wanted it. I never complained that it was expensive, and now u are complaining that 6-6.5k is expensive for you?
And btw, dont give me the bullcrap of you want to buy it cuz you really like the looks. I admit I liked the way it looks, but the main reason was fulfilling a difficult goal. If Arenanet increases the ecto and shard drop rates to where their prices will drop to around 100g, i'm sure it'll be easy enough for you to get it, but when you get it like that, do you think you will feel a sense of accomplishment? Or, just have the same feeling of getting a 1.5k armor?
And btw, dont give me the bullcrap of you want to buy it cuz you really like the looks. I admit I liked the way it looks, but the main reason was fulfilling a difficult goal. If Arenanet increases the ecto and shard drop rates to where their prices will drop to around 100g, i'm sure it'll be easy enough for you to get it, but when you get it like that, do you think you will feel a sense of accomplishment? Or, just have the same feeling of getting a 1.5k armor?
Demesis
For the OP, I have lots of money, but I don't buy FoW armor. You know why?
IT'S F*CKING UGLY.
FoW has to be the ugliest piece of sh!t I've seen in the game. I don't know why you want to get such crap to show off.
Wait, unless your character is NOT a warrior, I guess FoW would look OKAY.
But I highly recommend Kurzick gear as they look really awesome. People get Kurzick armor not because it's a show of wealth, but because it's a head turner with it's unique and dark design.
So screw FoW armor. It's crap.
IT'S F*CKING UGLY.
FoW has to be the ugliest piece of sh!t I've seen in the game. I don't know why you want to get such crap to show off.
Wait, unless your character is NOT a warrior, I guess FoW would look OKAY.
But I highly recommend Kurzick gear as they look really awesome. People get Kurzick armor not because it's a show of wealth, but because it's a head turner with it's unique and dark design.
So screw FoW armor. It's crap.
Exoudeous
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Are you trying to argue that noone does these things, and that the insanely high prices of things like FoW don't play some part in it? I never made any generalizations. In "assuming" that i did, i guess the same applies to you.
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dont know how to read your own posts do you? cause i certainly dont farm bot, scam, ebay, or sit on my ass all day.
The only thing the encourages ebaying and gold selling with bot help is greed for money, and peoples laziness to not even play the game. Games are meant for challange, and fun. If every game was made so people could win and get everything easily, it would get boring fast.
There are honest people and dishonest people, why should the game be ruind for honest people, just to prevent the minority from cheating? If you dont think its fair that FoW cost so much, tough, I dont think it would be fair to the people that saved for it, just to have the price of it lessend. If the OP wants it so badly, then he/she can spend some time saving up, cause I know I did, and after a few months i got the armor, and thats when the prices of shards and ectos where higher.
guildwarsnerd
My friend got his FoW armor in 5 Months without grinding, I'd rather enjoy the game then farm my a$$ off.
Gun Pierson
It took me seven months to get my fow armor + spare parts for my 55 build and I have a job too. But once I finally got it, it felt great. And it still does ofcourse. Try to enjoy the ride and not only the end point. If you really want it, you'll get there.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but dam I look sexy (just kidding)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but dam I look sexy
(just kidding)
Griff Mon
This kind of complaining reminds me of my early days in the game when I had my own guild and new members were whining to get run to Drok's and wanted you to hand them cash so they could buy their armour. No patience to learn the game.
FoW armour (yes, I have it) took me a while to get and I worked a long time to get it. I do not play endlessly. A few hours a day for a couple of months got it for me. You gotta understand the game economy and take advantage of certain situations that come up such as market factors.
Example: Price fluctuations in materials when Factions came out. Farming for these easy to accumulate items netted a lot of cash. Totem axes which you could solo farm or farm in pairs were selling for 20K in the first few days and you could get 3 or 4 of them on a good run. Red dye went through the roof for a couple of weeks. It all depends on playing smart, and having some patience.
FoW armour (yes, I have it) took me a while to get and I worked a long time to get it. I do not play endlessly. A few hours a day for a couple of months got it for me. You gotta understand the game economy and take advantage of certain situations that come up such as market factors.
Example: Price fluctuations in materials when Factions came out. Farming for these easy to accumulate items netted a lot of cash. Totem axes which you could solo farm or farm in pairs were selling for 20K in the first few days and you could get 3 or 4 of them on a good run. Red dye went through the roof for a couple of weeks. It all depends on playing smart, and having some patience.
GloryFox
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posted by Demesis For the OP, I have lots of money, but I don't buy FoW armor. You know why? IT'S F*CKING UGLY. FoW has to be the ugliest piece of sh!t I've seen in the game. I don't know why you want to get such crap to show off. Wait, unless your character is NOT a warrior, I guess FoW would look OKAY. But I highly recommend Kurzick gear as they look really awesome. People get Kurzick armor not because it's a show of wealth, but because it's a head turner with it's unique and dark design. So screw FoW armor. It's crap. |
Kook~NBK~
It's ridiculous to suggest that it's "not fair" for new players because they "can't farm 100K an hour." I don't know anything about earning that much that fast, so I won't comment on it. Cheapening the price on FoW armor wouldn't be fair to those of us who worked hard and raised all that gold for it the honorable way.
To make enough for FoW armor isn't that hard. It may take a while (took me 3 months once I decided I wanted it), but there's a nice sense of accomplishment when you finally do get it. The 4 things one needs to know when raising the funds for it are:
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Agree 100% with your assessment of FoW armor looks!!! I love my Mesmer's armor!
To make enough for FoW armor isn't that hard. It may take a while (took me 3 months once I decided I wanted it), but there's a nice sense of accomplishment when you finally do get it. The 4 things one needs to know when raising the funds for it are:
- 1. Where to farm
2. How to run a solo build while farming
3. Market values for items/weapons/runes/materials (should be checked as often as possible & practical)
4. How best to manage your in-game time when trying to sell stuff.
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Agreed, you know I have 1 to two sets of 15k armor for all 6 of my characters with no regrets about not haveing FOW armor. The FOW armors are all ugly IMO. Except the Female mesmer... now that's just plain sexy!
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leeky baby
I understand what your saying and it was easier to get money maybe not '100k an hour' but alot easier and before Anet brought in green items which are sold cheap now that perfect gold items were very rare and cost alot more....getting FOW armour is grinding but if you want it then you have to grind...
madman420
By the OP's reasoning crystalline swords and dwarven axes should drop more often in general farming areas. Yes Anet has developed a game that doesn't require constant grinding, but they have included certain items that appeal to players who like the constant grind. They included FoW armor in the game for those people, and not for the casual gamer who for some reason thinks that just because they paid their $50 they are entitled to every perk that the game offers.