Choosing Inherent Mods?!

Simply answer, yes. It would be a huge change, any rare skin with low req would be worth more or less the same because the mod would be switched. Think of it in terms of how many req 8 15>50 crystallines, dwarvens etc would be born Can't see ANET doing it.

...now wheres that tribal axe at
...starts saving crappy modded low req rare skins j/k

I don't know if you get your own point...what are these people doing with these so-called stacks of wealth anyway? Sitting on it to do what...buy more outrageously priced weapons...to do what exactly with them? Sell them for...what exactly...more piles of wealth to do what with those...sounds like a really lifeless cycle. Sounds like grind to me.

I find it hard to grasp this concept of 'the purpose for these people playing Guild Wars'. What this would do, is curve the economy, not destroy it, and if the only purpose these people have in Guild Wars is to spike the market so far out of range for the average player...then I'd be glad to be rid of them so that the towns are filled with people who there to actually participate in missions and quests. Sorry, it's how I've felt for ages. Do you know how many people want to participate, but feel they can't because of the fear they may have that they don't have the best weapon in the game? And why, because it costs 100K+35 ecto? Give me a break.

Way to exaggerate. There will always be traders. And this change won't make them disappear, they'll be out there selling mods, rare skins and inherant mods.

Also, maybe it would be a good thing to make the trade spam in Kaineng and LA disappear. But that's another issue isnt it?

And I dont know what you're talking about with the thing in Droks. I havent played in over a week. And I havent stepped foot in Tyria in quite a while.

That's why there's perfect collector's and crafter's weapon availible for people to use. If those people think a less good looking weapon is somehow making them weaker, then its their problem, not ours.

BUT, I wouldn't mind if there's inherent mod that can only be applied to the SAME SKIN weapon, then it might not be so bad, and can still help the economy a bit.

If this is the case Anet will not see my $50 for Chapter 3, so I will not be pre-ordering this one just to be sure.



Why do you need a gold that mimics collector items? If the golds become worthless, which they will under this system, then what's the point of having a gold? Why would it be any better then a blue or green? It won’t, it will be worthless and then you still won’t be happy because the gold you always wanted will be no better then the blue you allready had.



Who are you to say what the point of GW is? The point to you may not be the point to me. You want to play with perfects that cost nothing then craft perfects for 5k or trade for perfects for 3 massive jaw bones. Nothing stops you from doing that and enjoying the game your own way.



They don’t need millions, as stated above all they need is 5k or 3 massive jaw bones. Hardly the millions you claim they would need.




I do not have FoW armor. Not because I can’t afford it, I can. I don’t have it because everyone and their brother has the exact same armor. My main character (ele) doesn’t even have 15k armor anymore, I salvaged it all for the runes and bought 1.5k Shing Jea armor because I like the look. Armor is not the money sink of my choice, rare weapons are, the fun of trading is what I choose to spend my money on. I do not have a perfect crystalline (or an imperfect crystalline for that matter because I don’t collect imperfects no matter what they are), wouldn’t mind having a perfect one WHEN I HAVE “EARNED” IT. If I can just pooof have a 15^50 crys for 100k then I DON’T WANT ONE, what would be the point? I have 2 low req 20/20 gold wands, you can craft 20/20 req 9 wands for 5k. I chose to spend hundreds of platinum on my wands, you can chose to spend 5k on yours and get the EXACT SAME THING. I have a number of +5^50 / 20% recharge wands which I also have spent hundreds of platinum on, you can get the EXACT SAME THING for 20k as an end-game green. You want perfect items for next to no cost…..YOU HAVE THEM, what more do you people want? You claim you’re not interested in “the grind to get rare items” but then in the same breath you complain that you don’t have a 15^50 dwarven axe. You play your way and let others play theirs. Golds are only worth anything if you think they are worth anything. Almost every skin has a green counterpart that costs a few k, you want a perfect Sephis then get the green one.




< -- 5k + a few materials to craft.

< -- 20k end-game green.


Why is it an issue for you people?



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How about making the 15^50 choosable and 16^50 rare

That'll stuff'em

Anyway.. I for one will keep playing regardless cause i love the game.

Well, why shouldnt rare skins with nice (read, perfect or semiperfect) stats be readibly available to the vast majority of players?

Its just the concept of collectors, except encompassing a wider number of skins.

What is the economy, really, but an a mostly unnecessary construct? Sure, it serves a purpose, and it wont even go away after this update (should it be implimented how Im reading it). Mods will still be traded for gold, and people who used to be rich will still be rich.

Who cares if everyone has Mursaat Hornbows? Seeing as how acquiring perfect statted weapons is a joke, why not let people use the skins which actually look nice? In light of that, why do you care if its not? Did you place some stock in who had a r8 15>50 Mursaat Hammer?

I welcome the update, even if Ill lose *millions* in the market price in my items, as more readibly available items means just that, for me too.

Rare items are something to work toward. The reason Mursaat items are so great, isn't just because they look cool, but because they're rare and when you finally get one it comes with a sense of achievement.

So everyone should be able to own rare items? If you want rare items then put the effort in, save up and buy them. Just like the real world. if you work hard, it pays off. Simple.

I'm pretty sure know all about this. The game is designed in such a way that you don't have to own the most expensive items to compete on an equal playing field.* It's obvious that the economy works just how anet want it to.

If they do introduce this, it will most likely be with blue, collecters and pvp items only.I doubt they'd want to ruin the game for so many people. Please, can we have some confirmation from Gaile, or anyone about this?

And Herb, I wouldn't bother mate, these people do this for a living.



*I don't know how many times this has been said in this thread, and completely ignored.


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Here's me being a hypocrite, but I just had to edit this in:

Please, please. Listen...

Please?

Ok:

If. You. Want. Rare. Skinned. Weapons. Items. And Armors. Then. Work. Hard. And. Buy. Them.

And here's a little more:

You don't need to pay 100k35e for the best item. You know why? There is no best item. You can get the same stats sword as that out of reach cry. It'll do the same dmg. Exactly the same function. Rare skinned items and better armors are there for those who really put the effort in to get them. Just like in life mate. Those who work hard, reap the benefits.

I came to this game with nothing, just like everyone else. In just five months time, solo farming and buying and selling I've amassed over 5million platinum worth of items and armors. I put hundereds of hours in to this. So why do those who haven't deserve the same rewards? That isn't how life works ;p


God, these posts are going round in circles... but hey, even goldfish can learn through repetition... here's hoping.

Good point Herb, and to illustrate your point here are a few perfect inherent damage mod golds I have recently sold for dirt cheap.




I sold this the other day for a b/o of 20k, tell me what MM is gona go out without 12 death and can’t afford 20k for a perfectly modded wand.



Sold this for 3k. How much cheaper does it get for a perfect damage mod?



Selling for 10k. Your warrior doesn’t have 13 axe mastery?


But I suppose these still aren't good enough for the "casual gamer" who doesn't want to "grind"



Now that I would have no problem with. I hope your theory is correct.




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15^50 is so overrated and talked up just to get people to buy weapons at extremely high and outrageous prices.

20^50 should be standard on rares

as I have seen a few 20% below 50 weapons

To me that is more useful than 15^50

Its a 50/50 chance any warrior is going to be over 50% health while fighting esp with all the touchers and degen (and laugh* Spiteful Spirit) I always see in pvp. Like some article or post I read that a zealous mod or vamp mod with a + to elemental dmg is more useful than a 15^50 20/20 sword in terms of raw damage per hit.

I vote a weapons trader be implemented to change/buy/sell or craft any mods for a price. FFS its a game. If people want to trade and farm 95% of the time they are playing whats the sense in buying a game thats pretty much an E-Sports MMORPG? Maybe they should get into the stock market, ebay or a flea market..

Try not to be so narrow minded.

I just want to know this: exactly what about this would ruin the game for anyone? Is getting uber-rare items and amassing great wealth the only thing that keeps you in GW? Would it really "ruin the game" to make everything just a little bit cheaper?

I really want to know. I'm not going to judge anyone with what they do with their playtime, I couldn't care less. My point is, maybe you're losing sight of what this game is all about. This game, like any other game, is designed for the end users, or "players" to have fun.

Think about this: Is it "fun" to walk around flashing uber items/armor? Or is that something else? Elitism? Arrogance? Pride? What is wealth in GW if it isn't those three things?

SKILLS?

the beaty of GW that you are given the coice between having a perfect weapon with a common look fast without too many efforts or you can choose to save money and grind to have the nice looking weapon with the same stats. same goes for 15k armors.

nobody HAS to gring to have a weapon that is good, players CHOOSE to gring to have a better looking weapon. since we are given that option, let the insane farmers grind all thye want and have the better looking weapons. if you dont care about the look, you DONT HAVE to grind.

you want a nice looking weapon with perfect stats? EARN IT

too lazy to grind? then you dont deserve the rare weapon and can do just as fine in a battle with a normal long sword.

not enouth time? long go farm in the high end areas like FOW or UW, or bosses who drop greens, whatever that you are good at works as as its fast

you CANT farm? well, im sorry but learn the game

the salvaging part: i like the gamble of salvaging

the modes part: if we would get to choose to apply a mode like this it should mot be salvagable from anouther item, it should be a very expensive merchant that selld them, lets say for 50k each stable price (not influenced by demand/supply), so if you REALLY want a mode like this on your nice looking sword, you will still PAY for it. not any casual player can afford 50k of a mode.

why it doesnt bother me? because the rare skins will still be rare and good looking. its not like all the zodiak swords willl become ugly all of a sudden right? and its not like theres not gonna be new rare weapons worth gazillions of gold. ok so you will not get 200k for a sword, but you will still get the 100k, and when you will want to buy a nice new weapon you will find the new modes a relief that you dont have to spend all your life savings on a bow

Yes you "achieved" luck + spent time - is that really an achievement?

Exactly, that's why changing it is completely in line with Anet's philosophy.

You mean ruin it for farmers, chest runners, lucky people?

personally i know alot of people who play mostly for the challenge to find a rare perfect weapon. its more like a sport, and PLEASE tell me you are not serious about the lucky part?

yes it is luck in some way, but 99% of the time you have to kill the same mob 100 times before they drop a wanted gold, and good luck having it 15^50... so its more a question of staburness, patience and motivation. i know that about 50% of my guild might rage quit the game if the farming is becoming worthless...

for some farming and chest runs is 100% of the playing time.

As I mentioned as well time + luck.

I like farming as well (have treasue/wisdom titles), and I like the challenge... and I do it for just that, the challenge - not the money or to sell anything and thus it changes absolutely nothing.

Agreed. To those of us that actually play the game (be it farming/questing/PvPing, whatever), this will change nothing. This only changes outrages rates at which people try to sell incredibly rare (and not-as-rare) drops. This affects the 'power-traders'.

why do people hate rare items?

I dont get it.


Yes there should be rare armor and weapons and other "collectables" and very rare pets and items and stuff that should go for over 300k. this does not need to be mantory but powerful.

WAY TO MANY PEOPLE, HAVE WAY TO MUCH MONEY.

Its to easy getting money in this game.


And just stop with the Ebay arguments.. its so lame and unfounded. no one is stupid enough to buy gold in GW. Its not a MMORPG after all.

and yet the farming bot's industry is growing every day... you would be surprised at how many people are stupid enouth to buy gold online.

A suggestion:

How bout introducing a new rare and expensive crafting material that can only be used to forge 15^50 mods (and the like) to your weapons???

Also if that is not enough, A new forgemaster should be introduced and is located in a difficult to reach place. Sort of like a fow forgemaster...

As a result: traders still have a reason to sell perfect rare skinned 15^50 weapons at a high price!

You will never be able to compare people's armor they wear, to the weapon they hold. Why? Because thankfully, people like you don't control the market place for armors. Ectos/shards have been steady for ages. Buying armor is a legitimate way for any player to feel gratification, without feeling like they just got ripped off by some solo farmer looking for a big score. Because now the average person can have a simple goal: take a trip through the Shiverpeaks and find the max summit axe they've always wanted. Will this be the end of it? Of course not. They'll need mods. Does it have to be Gold? For gawd's sake, no, and that's been the most common misperception in Guild Wars. Gold never meant anything, except to the market. Why would gold/purple items be obsolete? They'll still be the ones that have the highest mods. You have to change your process of selling, that's all. And those so-called "uber" dwarven axes, etc, they'll still be just as rare. I don't know why you can't grasp that. I for one have been using collector and green items for 18 months, but ironically, I don't wear collector armor anymore. Because thankfully you're not in control of how popular my armor is from one day to the next.

So trading is not part of the game anymore? Can't ppl have fun by trading and treasure hunting?

Trading and collecting rare things is very very satisfying to some of us. It has never been a must in Guild Wars to get perfect golden items because there are collector & green items to replace them.

Once again. This is the point.


Even if this change happens with gold items, there will be some essential commodity for these weapons that will reach exactly the same vaues that people are trading in now. So nothing will change. We'll just swap base skins for inherent mod components, or w/e.

It's called supply and demand. You can't take that away from a market unless you put every item on an NPC vender and fix the prices.

This isn't about right or wrong, it's about how markets actually work.

You will probably find that by adding the inscription to the weapon will also customise it the weapon to the character therefore negating 99% the arguments against this GOOD addition to guildwars.

So what you are saying here is that the casual gamer can get FoW armor? Think again, FoW armor costs roughly 1 million gold. If you can gather that much gold to piss away on flashy armor then how dare you complain about the price of weapons. If you feel like you got ripped off when you bought a weapon then it’s probably because you did, try paying attention and don’t pay 200k for a req 8 15^50 Great Axe. If you do buy it for 200k then don’t blame the market, blame yourself because that axe can be bought for 15k easily. The appeal of rare weapon isn’t that they cost a fortune, it’s that they are RARE and hard to get, they cost a fortune BECAUSE they are RARE, the only reason YOU want them and complain about not having them is because they are RARE. Take away that rarity and what’s the point of having it? Yea I know….”they look nice” Lots of weapons that don’t cost a fortune look nice, buy those.



No it will not be “just as rare”, it will be virtually commonplace to have one. Literally thousands upon thousands of Dwarven axes have dropped, but only a very small fraction of those have perfect damage mods on them and THAT is what makes them rare. I don’t know why YOU can’t grasp that!


By the way I have decided that every time I log onto a character that character deserves a free 10,000 Kurzick faction. Why? Because I don’t want to have to GRIND for faction just so I can control a town or collect amber. Oh and while I am at it, I also want to have all the mobs and bosses die when I come within agro range of them because I shouldn’t have to kill them to beat a mission or clear an area. And start my characters off at level 20, rank 12, with several sets of FoW armor, and every weapon imaginable, that way there is absolutely no point in playing this game anymore.




Gee that sounds fun, everyone selling th exact same thing. I can see it now: Ventari Sell filled with thousands of threads all saying the exact same thing; "WTS 15^50 mod 5k". And yes they would sell at 5k after about a month because the only thing left to farm would be mods and the market would quickly become flooded with them. Result: trading becomes obsolete.




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think this is the best news about nightfall ever, if this is true anet will get my 50 bucks for sure, i love you anet, sory i doubt you on factions.

this is great news, preorder here i come.

What a retarded counter argument.

you know, the salvaging success rate for inscriptions will probably be fairly low, so while there are many weapons with the 15^50 mod, most of them won't be salvaged successfully, and most of them are collector items (which probably won't be able to be salvaged anyways). the going price for a high end mod will probably be very high. basically, i think Anet will make sure that high end rare items will still worth quite a bundle.

another restriction, which i find to be perfectly viable, is to make the inscriptions only work on customized gear. that way, high end rare items simply won't be affected as much.

Hey Theus thanks for sharing your superior intellectual prowess with the rest of us, how long did it take you to come up with the incredibly witty idea to add a "D" to the front of my name? Grow up little one, no need to be an ass and insult people.

Way I see it is its just like in real life. People see a person with a nice car maybe a Bentley or something and hate on him. If the person is not near his car maybe someone will key it or if it is a convertable they will spit inside or slash the roof. Why? Because he is rich.

Now this can be applied in-game too. People hate on rich people because they are rich. Yeah some made their gold through illegitamate ways i.e. ebaying but so do people in real life i.e. drugs.

People hate on rich people because they are jealous. They have something poor people dont. Do they deserve this hate? In most cases no.

There are people in real life who winge about the price of luxury goods. Just like in-game. In real life there are imitation luxury goods and also similar looking ones for a fraction of the price. In Guild Wars there are collectors items and greens. Just like in real life there is no need for luxury goods. They are exactly that, a luxury item. They are not essential for living a good life. Just like in Guild Wars expensive / rare items are not essential.

These inscriptions would most likely be expensive so alot of grind is required to buy them. They will fall in price as more are found and there would be everyone with a perfect Dwarven, Serpent, Crystalline etc. Only a very small number of people who own perfect ones customize them. So buying a plain purple one cheaply and customizing it would make it as good as a perfect one.

I cant be bothered to reply here as all I see is lots of jealous people filled with hatred. There are people here who remind me of able bodied / minded people in real life who want to claim benefits their entire life and do no work due to laziness. It is truely sickening.

God I love it when ANET puts out info like this without making it totally clear what the new procedure for salvaging/selling/customizing will be. It's great fun to watch the self-proclaimed "rich" go into defensive panic mode.

"OMFG im gonna quit if ANET makes my collection of 1's and 0's worthless".

That one dude said half his guild is going to ragequit. Since when do we like ragequitters anyway?

I have to say that I am reasonably well-off in terms of in-game wealth. I have a stack of ectos, stack of shards, 1000k in the bank (all of this non-Ebayed, for you instant doubters out there) and I hope to hell ANET does make this change.

Let me put it in perspective for those of you pissing and moaning about the imminent drop in the your personal worth: I don't care. And neither, I think, do any of the other posters here that are in favor of this change. Or ANET for that matter.

You went through the grind to either get the items or get the gold to buy the items. Good for you. I grind also, I just choose to spend my money elsewhere-armor, friends, etc. The point is you chose to grind. Nowhere in the EULA does it guarantee the price of your items.

I think that there are a few people out there, those that scraped and saved for that purple, +13% while hexed crystalline that would appreciate the chance to make this sword usable for something other than "wielding a sundering crystalline sword of fortitude" (it would almost HAVE to be sundering/fortitude) and then switching to their reliable req. 12 15^50 longsword with the furious/defense mods.

To sum up:

I think that the arrogance and narcissim of some of the "rich" surpasses understanding. Personally, I do not think that the changes ANET is planning for the inherent modifiers/salvage system is going to work exactly the way these people seem to think it is. And if it does? Quit. I won't miss you and ANET already has your money for at least two chapters (plus however many extra accounts were purchased to use as mules for all of your perfectly modded weapons). If ANET makes these changes it will because they believe it to be in the best interest of the game. Believe it or not, the game will go on without you. It will not collapse into a shattered, empty husk at the mere thought of your exalted presence leaving.

In my heart of hearts I like to think that there are some people out there thinking of buying this game, searching the forums for information that will run across this thread. These are casual gamers that will be gratified at the thought of purchasing a game where nice, rare, "elite" weapons can be obtained without 1000+ hours of grinding. These nice folks will, hopefully, more than make up for the ragequitters and wealthy elite that decide Guild Wars, a video GAME, is no longer for them.

My $.02

FLAME ON

Actually, that was a very fine point.

Also, maybe there could be outpost Skins that you could apply to your GH. That way everyone gets to own one. I mean why should only those who put the effort in get to control the outposts. It's so unfair.

And you shouldn't have to beat HoH to get the chest. You chould have one you can buy for you GH and open whenever you're feeling resentful, slightly embittered, or put off by anyone who puts a lot of time and effort into something and (god forbid) gets some kind of reward for it.


Oh and aslo this:

Like the arrogance and narcissim of 'scraping and saving' to buy an unfunctional sword just for the skin when there's a heap perfectly functional less 'cool' skins to choose from?

Hmm..

Pls lets not bring the "real life" arguement in this...

If gw had the logic that some ppl here think it's economy have, than most monsters wont drop items...
If you wanna go by logic than make the monsters that do use items drop them.
And if you want logic, than crafters should be able to craft lotsa skins. With various mods.

And pls, while I do acknoledge that some ppl in the game actually collect rare stuff, most of the traders do this for money, and not for fun. Paying 20 mil for a skin that drops only in pvp is NOT logical. Paying 100k for Swords and Axes is NOT logical.

The only ppl who could see this potential change is those who afraid that their uber sword or axe would no longer worth that much.
So friggin' what? If anyone could get what they want a little more easily, or in a diffrent way, what harm can it do? You will still have to farm for ectos and shards, for mods possibly.

Oh, and the only reason ppl like rare items is cuz its gold/yellow.
A blue and yellow Gladius would have diffrent values... Its all about the color, not that stats.

If you are going to quote me, please don't change the context to make it fit your "argument".

Sign off deleted so as to be taken seriously. By people on an internet forum. Because that is important.

Oz

Dude you're having a problem here you made a completely ignorant argument and he called you on it.

I pity the people that are throwing tantrums over how this will ruin the game for everyone, you people should take a chill pill.

No one knows for sure how exactly it will work yet - as someone mentioned it might be that when you change the inherent mod it will customize the weapon, who knows.

Er what that people hate on the rich in real life just like they do in-game. And usually because of jealousy. They have something we dont its sooo unfair. Who wants to actually work for something.

What that Oofus pointed out that if people dont want to work for things then they should also whine about faction, armor etc. Makes perfect sense what he said. I have seen tons of people in this thread whine about how they think it is their right to have rare/expensive items for doing nothing.

If you are attempting to even present an argument use correct grammar. I certainly cant take you seriously with comments such as kthxbye as it comes across as childish amd immature.

Anyway I am more than confident that it wont happen how most people think. Actually I am certain it wont affect me

Nono, I don't think you understand context

You see, you made two completely conflicting statements to fuel the same point.

Oh, and what Herb said.

Herbelizer, there is no "work" in farming, just counting on luck.
In life you actually get paid for work everytime, its not one month Im lucky one month Im not.

What rare/expansive items?! What does a 15^50 chaos axe do that a collector axe doesnt? Oh, so its about the look huh?
Pls, its all about the looks and the color.

Are my feelings supposed to be hurt by the name calling? Is it not acceptable to try and inject a little humor into your oh so serious "don't mess with my uber items" thread?

By "change the context" I meant exactly that. He took one complete paragraph, edited the transition I used: "To sum up", and then took the first sentence of a completely new paragraph with no explanation as to the context of that sentence in the new paragraph. Hence, out of context.

Out of curiosity, which "two completely conflicting statements" did you mis-read as being conflicting?

Oz