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Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 00:14 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vermilion Okeanos

I am far more interested in signet of illusion... Waiting for the info on recharge/cast time.

16 attribute for any spell in the game...? Too awesome. I doubt it will change the next spell into illusion type thou (mantra of persistance). I hope they don't go "next mesemer spell", although that would still be great.

It's implied that Signet of Illusion will affect any spell, since Inspired Hex and Arcane Thievery is mentioned in conjunction. Seriously, you people need to read between the lies.

I have a strong feelign ArenaNet will butcher the recharge time, though. If it's greater than 15 seconds, it'll be useless.

Phoenix Ex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/R

20 Sep 2006 at 00:23 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

It's implied that Signet of Illusion will affect any spell, since Inspired Hex and Arcane Thievery is mentioned in conjunction. Seriously, you people need to read between the lies.

I have a strong feelign ArenaNet will butcher the recharge time, though. If it's greater than 15 seconds, it'll be useless.

Or worse, make you lose all energy for using it, like Signet of Disenchantment

.

Reza

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Fellowship Of The King [King]

20 Sep 2006 at 01:14 - 43

new paragon shout, LOL

Without a solid counter to touch-type skills, we decided to add a new Paragon shout called "Can't Touch This," which causes touch skills used on friends within earshot to completely fail. This will allow players to counter skills like Blackout, Shock, or Vampiric Touch more effectively.

touch rangers can go touch something else now, cuz this isnt touchable anymore! :P

Mr_eX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ice Tooth Cave

Opt and Niho Private Chat [lulz]

N/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 01:44 - 44

What I want to know is why doesn't the Male Paragon have an MC Hammer dance?

Kha

Sins FTW!

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Angel Sharks [AS]

20 Sep 2006 at 02:07 - 45

This skill isn't in response to Touch Rangers. It's clearly been added by the request of the Ghostly Hero:

Cloudpiercer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

R/

20 Sep 2006 at 03:10 - 46

I just want to say HA!!

This is so funny, I mean you gotta love Anet. I know people say just run and blah blah from touch groups, but running is hardly ever an effective strategy... especially when touch rangers started bringing storm chaser with them. All gimmick builds should have counters and this is awesome.

Plus the name is just awesome, they just need a class that can do the hammer dance while its being shouted.... maybe the male Dervish lol!

(awesome thread

)

johnmedgla

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Dark

N/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 03:37 - 47

I've noticed that whenever I post lately I've tended to ramble on a bit more than I shoud so just this once, I'll be succinct.
<3 u ANet
Zomg Luxons = pwned! (On Euro servers Luxons touchers seem to outnumber Kurzick touchers by at least 20 to 1)

I have to say though, when I saw the name, I had to double check this was Mid Spetember and not April 1st.

Vermilion Okeanos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

20 Sep 2006 at 03:47 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

It's implied that Signet of Illusion will affect any spell, since Inspired Hex and Arcane Thievery is mentioned in conjunction. Seriously, you people need to read between the lies.

I have a strong feelign ArenaNet will butcher the recharge time, though. If it's greater than 15 seconds, it'll be useless.

What I mean was, "I hope they don't change it to 'next mesemer spell'". While both inspired hex and arcane thievery are not illusion is the main catch I believe.

Claudia Starlight

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Me/Mo

20 Sep 2006 at 06:42 - 49

EDIT: Just realized that the Signet of Illusion is actually some sort of *catalyst* used to obnoxiously boost your newly-acquired spell.

Oh and it did mention the NEXT spell you cast... which means it's sort of like a one-shot boost?

Dragannia

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Venatio Illuminata [VEIL]

Me/N

20 Sep 2006 at 07:00 - 50

Ugh, "Can't Touch This." Before, with "It's just a flesh wound." it was kinda amusing, now they're just milking it dry. At least make it have a BIT of seriousness, like "For Great Justice!" and stuff had.

Alberic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

United States

[AB]

R/

20 Sep 2006 at 07:40 - 51

I'm having deja vu...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...09&referrerid=

Ipillo Wupwup

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Witman's Folly

Mo/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 08:02 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claudia Starlight

EDIT: Just realized that the Signet of Illusion is actually some sort of *catalyst* used to obnoxiously boost your newly-acquired spell.

Oh and it did mention the NEXT spell you cast... which means it's sort of like a one-shot boost?

Yes, but a pretty powerful one - just imagine you steal Animate Flesh Golem or Chain Lightning or any other powerful offensive skill that doesn't require a specific weapon and then use it with 12 or so points in illusion magic...

Paperfly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

20 Sep 2006 at 08:14 - 53

Quote:

At least make it have a BIT of seriousness, like "For Great Justice!" and stuff had.

Stupid poetic justice!
/Homer

Anryla

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Alt Control Delete

W/

20 Sep 2006 at 08:14 - 54

Ally gets life transfer -> Inspire Hex -> Signet of Illusion -> Life Transfer on enemy

I sort of see the usefullness of that skill now

...

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

20 Sep 2006 at 08:20 - 55

its not to powerfull at all like you say ""kite it"" if he has it on him run away

or just attack the guy using it

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

20 Sep 2006 at 08:21 - 56

thats why you should always cover hex

Ipillo Wupwup

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Witman's Folly

Mo/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 08:26 - 57

I don't know if that really works, Anryla, since the vague description on guildwars.com says "which will make the next spell you cast use your Illusion attribute". So it might well be that you can't use hexes with signet of illusions...

But even if it just works for spells it could be quite useful if you use it after arcane thievery ("one random spell is disabled for target foe, and Arcane Thievery is replaced by that spell").

Let's stick to the example I used before: the air spiker...
Arcane thievery catches a random spell from target foe = 1:8 chance to get the chain lightning.
Target has rez signet equipped = 1:7 chance.
Target has rez signet and glyph of (lesser) energy = 1:6 chance
And so on - the more non-spells the target has equipped the better the chance to get a good spell.

Arcane thievery & signet of illusions might be pretty worthless on a ranger, assassin, warrior and maybe even (healing) monk, but if you get the rigt spell from a necro, ele or ritualist it could really help your team.

Anryla

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Alt Control Delete

W/

20 Sep 2006 at 08:33 - 58

Did I get something wrong. I thought hexes was spells or have I completely missunderstood this?
I think the in game text even say "Hex Spell", and yeah, the description is a little vague so we are still speculating of course

...

Ipillo Wupwup

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Witman's Folly

Mo/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 08:39 - 59

I sure hope that they count hexes as hex spells like they normally do - I just wanted to point out that this might be the catch on the otherwise really sweet signet

Oh, and another thing: how about combining this with mantra of signets? Even with no points in inspiration magic it instantly recharges the signet used in the next 10 seconds...

Arcane thievery --> mantra of signets --> signet of illusions --> fire away with stolen spell... Uses three skill slots but might nonetheless be quite interessting for upcoming mesmer builds.

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

20 Sep 2006 at 08:57 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kha

This skill isn't in response to Touch Rangers. It's clearly been added by the request of the Ghostly Hero:

lol

natus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Denmark

20 Sep 2006 at 10:14 - 61

Hahaha this is awesome, "can't touch this!", "It's just a flesh wound!", and the fact that male paragons got the best dance ever totaly makes me want one.

Gonna make a dervish first, ofcourse.

M1h4iL

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Perth, Australia

20 Sep 2006 at 10:15 - 62

Funny yet very original and fitting name for a skill

levac

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Forgotten Returned

20 Sep 2006 at 13:59 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightblade

http://www.guildwars.com/support/gam...llspreview.php

From the official site!

"Can't Touch This!"
Either they didn't explain it clearly..or this skill is way too powerful. It's a shout that causes all touch skills to fail...or is it the "next" touch skill to fail?

Signet of Illusion
Here's the official word on this awesome signet: "...which will make the next spell you cast use your Illusion attribute instead of its normal attribute."

That shout is a brilliant addition to the game, it wouldn’t become overused as sacrificing primary or secondary profession for just that one skill will completely alter the builds. It will balance it up nicely. I don’t believe touch are overpowered particularly at present as crippling and slowing hexes will destroy a team.

MORE IMPORTANTLY

I’m going to spend the next month praying that signet of illusion won’t be an elite (although in fairness it most likely will). All those options! You will be able to run spells from other bars with no attributes in that skillbar. How wonderful! My spike idea just got a lot more potent! Oh yes! I’m a happy little Mesmer now.

If it’s an elite though hopefully it’s recharge wouldn’t be higher than 40 seconds.

Ipillo Wupwup

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Witman's Folly

Mo/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 14:25 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by levac

I’m going to spend the next month praying that signet of illusion won’t be an elite (although in fairness it most likely will). All those options! You will be able to run spells from other bars with no attributes in that skillbar. How wonderful! My spike idea just got a lot more potent! Oh yes! I’m a happy little Mesmer now.

Oh yes, this is really exciting

And of course you don't have to use "stolen" spells - why not equip a spell from your secondary profession? Like a me/ele packing chain lightning without any pints in air magic. Or even use mesmer spells from an attribute tree you wouldn't use otherwise... Damn, I should stop creating new builds in my head based on this signet when I don't even know the req. or recharge ;D

Dazzler

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

E/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 14:26 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anryla

Ally gets life transfer -> Inspire Hex -> Signet of Illusion -> Life Transfer on enemy

I sort of see the usefullness of that skill now

...

You guys are missing the beauty of this skill. don't mess with Inspire Hex or Arcane Thievery. Just put the damn skill you want on your skillbar!

Think of it - you can put a skill from your secondary on your skillbar and use it at max power without putting any points into the attribute. This would even let you take skills from the primary attribute of your secondary profession, which you don't normally use.

Sig of Illusion -> Double Dragon - Powee! (assuming its not elite of course lol).
Sig of Illusion -> Animate Vam. Horror - Yummy! (or whatever that badass spell is called)

Since the recharge is likely to be long, it would work best on spells that also have long recharges.

Regarding "Can't Touch This!", maybe I misread but I thought it said this was an Elite, meaning quit crying about it's power. There are lots of powerful elites.

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

20 Sep 2006 at 14:26 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightblade

Too powerful...way too powerful...it should only work on the "next" touch skill.

touch rangers are a dime a dozen these days. glad to see these kids have to get a new build to copy... like shock wars... overdone- annoying... lame.

Priest Of Sin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sitting upon Kerrigan's Throne.

Live For The Swarm [ZERG]

Me/N

20 Sep 2006 at 14:28 - 67

Lawl, touchies go die now!

Crippling Anguish+Ethereal Burden+Conjure Nightmare+"Can't Touch This"= i'm going to stand 2 feet in front of a touchie and walk bakwards slowly.

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

20 Sep 2006 at 14:28 - 68

on illusion sig-

if its elite, you can always bring that other mesmer skill, to copy your teammates' elite.

and, as an elite... Id say a 40 second recharge would be too much... Im thinking more like 20 seconds... but hey I dont work for ANet so who knows.

Clawdius_Talonious

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Screwston, Tejas

KOS

N/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 16:34 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clord

"It is Hammer Time!" (Hammers only)
Adrenaline: 7

Elite Hammer Attack. If Hammer hits, target foe is throwed back and then knocked down 1...5 second(s).

That would be the best single target knockdown hammer elite in the game...

Amity and Truth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/N

20 Sep 2006 at 16:44 - 70

I'm so gonna use that "Can't touch this" Skill on my Ele. The next time that stupid Wa/Mo starts dancing i'll spam it :P

Bale_Shadowscar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

New Dragons [NDR]

20 Sep 2006 at 17:12 - 71

The Guildwars Website has released three new skills:

Dervish:

GRENTH'S GRASP {E}
Causes all of your attack skills to Cripple as long as a cold damage weapon is used.

Mesmer:

Signet of Illusions
Makes your next spell use the Illusion magic attribute.

and...The Toucher nerf:

Paragon:

"Can't Touch this!"
Causes all 'touch' skills used against you to fail.

http://www.guildwars.com/support/gam...llspreview.php

Discuss.

Cherno

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Stars of Destiny

E/

20 Sep 2006 at 17:15 - 72

Wow, Are these elites? If not, Grenth's Barrage would rock.

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

20 Sep 2006 at 17:18 - 73

Yes, these are elites

Alfrond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

The United States

Boston Guild [BG]

Mo/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 17:18 - 74

While "Can't touch this" will obviously hurt touch rangers, we really have no idea how much. We'll need to see things like cost, duration, and recharge time. Also, upset Touch Rangers should realize that not everyone will be a paragon or have a paragon secondary.

Personally, I think it will be equally interesting to see how this skill effects other elements of the metagame like blackout mesmers and shock warriors.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 17:28 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by dargon

Yes, these are elites

no, i dont think so

LadyNilene

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Silver Millenium

E/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 17:35 - 76

I dont think they're elites either...well at least not the mesmer/war skill...im sure the necro one is, either that or it has some big drawback...either way, its nice to have a counter to touchers for wars and necros i guess.

gene terrodon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Maryland/DC Area

Farmers Unite [FU]

W/

20 Sep 2006 at 17:37 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuildWars.com

Grenth's Grasp is a Dervish Elite skill that causes all of your attack skill to Cripple your target as long as a cold weapon is used.

No Grenth's barrage...sorry

Random Sam

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2005

Sussex, England

[GoF] Ghosts of Faith

N/Me

20 Sep 2006 at 17:46 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyNilene

im sure the necro one is.

That's a dervish one :P and yeah, it's an elite, but I don't think the others will be...

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

20 Sep 2006 at 17:48 - 79

All of these are already being discussed in two or three different threads...

Wildi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

PvE is the Metagame

20 Sep 2006 at 19:13 - 80

Signet of Midnight + Sand Shards now useless ? :\