too may little guilds, doing nothing...

I am in/help run a small guild that has more PvE players than PvP, we JUST got our Faction delcared (Luxon) last night. (AB is so fun hehe). Anyway I don't see the point in not having small guilds. What's wrong with people who LIKE small guilds and want to have fun with a close-knit group of friends rather than a big pvp guild, there is nothing wrong with either type and I have been in both (though on different games).

You say they are wasting away their potential? For what? Your guild to become stronger and for them to not benefit because they may not even like PvPing.

I also agree that it is absurd to charge members Faction to stay/join with nothing in return.

I do have a thing against little pissant guilds that have NO reason to exist. They go and recruit members who get NOTHING out of membership and will leave in a matter of weeks, or just stay in it for no reason. I actually can say I hate when people join a guild for the sake of joining a guild. These guilds contribute NOTHING to ANYBODY, and (hopefully only temporarily) take potential recruits away from guilds that actually do something and have a purpose.

here's the flip-side to that. I hate when people join our little guild and expect big things without doing any thing themselves. It works both ways. I am an active person, I won't drop everything I am doing to help out someone in Ascalon but I will help them out if I am not knee-deep in my own mission or something, which quite often I am not busy and I do enjoy helping people.

I hate when the same people who spam for help in guild chat, will never offer it or never offer ANYTHING to the guild. Maybe I am crazy but one thing I never do to a guild member is charge him for an item or service, we had some people spamming guild chat with WTS messages and to me it just seems wrong, but then again that is just my opinon.

It is really hard to get an active guild going so late in the game but I am trying and the few members we have that are active are a joy to be around. I just hope I can find more like them so we can do some HoH/GvG stuff eventually.

Who are you to say they have no reason to exist? What is this nebulos purpose that other guilds have that this little guilds don't have? To be honest, I won't want someone to join my guild for just the sake of joining a guild, that is stupid. You should join a guild that you think mathces your interest and you will enjoy playing with. There are a few too many people around who think they're guild is it and everyone should be in it. Every guild competes for members, if you can't get members than you aren't offering something that people want, plain and simple. Everyone's tastes are different, being part of 90 person guild is not the be all and end all of GW. You can have just as much fun (or more fun) with a small and dedicated group of friends.

I have a guild of roughly 70 people and we do very little PvP. Guilds aren't just for PvP anymore. We do chest runs, missions and cap elites and help each other finish the game and uncover the map. I don't see the harm in little guilds either though. I left a guild that wanted to remain small and intimate bc that was their agenda, it wasn't for me, but I respected their wishes. People have different needs in the game. I had some guy yell at me that this was a PvP game and how dare I run a PvE guild!! Jeesh.

I thought that this line is kinda harsh. There is nothing wrong with small guilds at all. Just because a guild is small, doesnt mean that it has to be degraded . All big guilds have to start from a small guild.

Sorry but you are wrong, joining members get FUN if they don't they leave, if they like the guild they stay, and for a reason FUN.

Also that taking away is just dumb, people are not objects nor things you collect or add just to fulfill your egocentric goals, lest face it, most big guilds are tyrants, they force members to do things they don't enjoy

You were asking for trouble when you posted that. I thought the original post was silly but congratulations, you beat him. Contrary to what you believe, some people do join guilds solely for the reason to be with like minded people, those who play for playing sake. I assume that the guilds you mentioned that "have purpose" are those that GvG or faction farm all day. Why must a guild contribute anything? I want to join a guild that does some PvE, a little bit of PvP (whether win or lose) and generally have, you know, some FUN, which to me is the over-riding purpose of any game.

I bet all of the msot successful guilds in PvP are not that big and made up of probably about 15-20 people. Also they are most likely friends that all played the game together, then decided to make their own guild.

Excuse me?
I am an officer in a small guild of about 20 people.
It is about fun and friendship. I don't need to work myself to death in GW
when I do it all day long. GW is for fun, relaxation.
It matters more to me to have a good relationship with the members
then anything else.
If I have it I will share it, if I can help I will.
If someone joins a guild just to join they have wrong priorities.
That's up to them. We offer a relaxed atmosphere and friendship.
Small guilds can contribute a very very good game experience.

Also, the first post of this thread was practically unreadable and was bad enough but this is worse.

i am in a alliance with about 100 active members and all of u could be helping u do wat the hell ever u where talking about

when i posted this, the thing that really bugged me are the guilds of liike 1 or 2 people. they cant have a gvg, they cant do a 2 man mission, nothing. its just a couple friends who created a guild for around 25k, while they just could have put eachother on their friends list.

then let them be, friend list is not enough for some people.

How would you like it if I let you join my PuG and I told you that you couldn't take your favourite skill or you had to change your secondary and swap attributes totally? What if I told you to go to droks and get a whole new set of armor because its not good enough? What if I told you you can't join because you have 1.5k armor and not 15k? What if I told you you can't join because you have a spiked axe and not a sephis axe or a chaos axe? What if I told you you can't join because I don't like the way your armor is dyed?

Dude, just bugger off and let us do whatever the hell we want. If we like to go to RA with an empty skillbar, let us. If we like to go PvE with 8 signets, let us. It's just a game. Lets us do what we want and go complain to someone who cares.

My guild consists of 4 people.

Want to know why? Because we can.

We don't GvG, AB, or anything else just because we don't want to. Have a problem with that? I don't really care.

You have no right to try to tell anyone how to enjoy the game.

Actually not really. Guild wars is 90% instanced and all missions can be done with NPCs.

According to the unwritten law of guild management, the probability of drama increases with the number of players within a single guild.

With that in mind, I think the tiny guys are perfectly safe. Guild Wars is a casual game on the surface after all.

As for not contributing to the community, I seriously doubt larger guilds are doing anything to benefit the GW society as a whole either. Under AJM's logic, any guild that doesn't make a splash in GvG or HoH should we wiped off the face of "Insert GW title here." The only guilds that should be allowed to exist are the top tags on the ladder and the Servants of Fortuna in that case.

I've never heard of the Order of the Soulflame either until now. Is that grounds for purging?

I would like to add to your list something about the attitudes of most big guilds. Most don't try to help you, most are not friendly, most are full of big egos and bad attitudes, and lastly, most of them won't ever get to know you. I'd rather be in a small guild and be able to do what I want that be in a big guild who tells you "if you don't play GvG, don't log on, don't recruit, don't do this/that, then we don't need you" The best attitudes I've encountered in this game were small timers.

What do you all consider a large guild? Just wondering because my guild has grown from around 15 to around 40 people. I like to think we still maintain our "small guild" attitude, but now there is more opportunity to have full groups to do PvE or the occasional PvP when someone wants to.

As Sinborn mentioned, it is true the probablility for drama does increase the more people you have. Fortunately, we haven't had much of a problem with that.

I agree with that.It has been my expierence as well.The large guilds I have been in for the most part(not all) treat you like your a tool.It is about numbers and how they can use you.No thanks I dont need that.Big Guilds tend to assume that you need them.Wrong answer.
There are probably some really good big guilds out there.But not from any I saw.
I have a 1 man guild myself.I have a GH with storage which works for me.Jacuzzi goes in next week..)

I'm sorry, were you saying something? I couldn't hear you over the non-existence of your guild on the ladder. And the fact that you can't find it on the web. And the fact that nobody has heard of you.

And you sit around bashing people's guilds? Rofl...

Oh, and I'm not knocking small guilds in general, I'm all for them. Just this guy, who seems to think his guild "matters" in some way.