The hero system is going to take some getting used to- I just got the Monk guy and I don't monk
Will these characters be deleted or will they just sit there uselessly until Nightfall Release? Cos... mine is kinda rich :-)
Post and Discuss your First Impressions of Nightfall here! [Merged]
Kahlindra
Well I like the freshness of starting over at level one and not knowing where everything is... maybe people have become too jaded for all that, but I'm enjoying trying to find all the collectors for armour and things like that. The areas are very beautiful, the quests so far have been non-annoying (as in, they're not "Passing The Buck"), the speed of advancement is great and the new classes are awesome. I definitely didn't enjoy learning to play Sin and Rit as much as I'm enjoying my Dervish.
The hero system is going to take some getting used to- I just got the Monk guy and I don't monk
so he's got some interesting skills going on. The posts above raising concerns about how you can form parties when everyone wants to bring their heroes also worries me a bit.
Will these characters be deleted or will they just sit there uselessly until Nightfall Release? Cos... mine is kinda rich :-)
The hero system is going to take some getting used to- I just got the Monk guy and I don't monk
Will these characters be deleted or will they just sit there uselessly until Nightfall Release? Cos... mine is kinda rich :-)
Xenrath
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a: Why shouldn't he be allowed to level up his hero..?
b: If your partymate isn't going to listen to you before leaving the outpost, what makes you think he's going to listen in the mission? Boot. |
b: Yep and what happens when everyone and their grandmother decides they want to bring their favourite Herohench along? Boot everyone? Factions already did damage to the teamplay aspect of the game at least in PvE, I'm hoping Nightfall's Hero thing doesn't do more damage and encourage even more people to just go with henchies everywhere...
Knightsaber Sith
What's with all the 80's and 90's references in Nightfall?
We can now add the quest "Material Girl" to the list...
We can now add the quest "Material Girl" to the list...
X of Thulcandra
I. Hate. Tutorials.
Gwmaster
I love Nightfalls..i feel like i just started playing guildwars for the first time..exploring..doing quests.....sinking boats ^_^.....im soooo gonna buy it.
Badger Muffin
i Love The PvE event shame about the bugs though, so glad i orders the CE well worth it
Maxiemonster
I'm too excited about these Heros to actually mind the bugs, and I think I just downloaded the Hero bug fix :P Going to try out!
Lawnmower
Unplayable. every time I leave town the game crashs on me. tons of lag, slow download speed...
I wonder if many people are playing it right now?
First impression is that the voice acting has improved. no moving mouths tho
I like the music and new areas. Don't really think the new professions are doing it for me though. I think I will just take my character through the campaign.
I like the heroes more than I expected. Micro management? pfft... go play EVE you whiners. thats micro management. Heroes is very simple.. almost too simple. will heroes really be fun to use when im taking my lvl 20 character over to elona? then I cant see them evolve and become stronger
I mean yeah.. its fine. except for the fact I can't play.
I think GW is really ready for life skills, and a pvp revamp... to me its like pvp is all over the place. way to many modes.
maybe its time to let people host their own instanced games and drop the HoH system with the favor stuff and redesign faction design and the kurzicks vs luxon war?
I wonder if many people are playing it right now?
First impression is that the voice acting has improved. no moving mouths tho
I like the music and new areas. Don't really think the new professions are doing it for me though. I think I will just take my character through the campaign.I like the heroes more than I expected. Micro management? pfft... go play EVE you whiners. thats micro management. Heroes is very simple.. almost too simple. will heroes really be fun to use when im taking my lvl 20 character over to elona? then I cant see them evolve and become stronger
I mean yeah.. its fine. except for the fact I can't play.
I think GW is really ready for life skills, and a pvp revamp... to me its like pvp is all over the place. way to many modes.
maybe its time to let people host their own instanced games and drop the HoH system with the favor stuff and redesign faction design and the kurzicks vs luxon war?
Eldred
Um did the creators just found a way to lvl up fast but not so fast as in factions ? i don't see too much 3000xp quests finally
Teddi
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Exoudeous
I cant go any farther in the game now, ive done all the quests i can do, and i dont have a high enough rank to do the next primary, wtf.
are there more quests somewhere or another way to get promotion points?
are there more quests somewhere or another way to get promotion points?
Teddi
NOOOOOOOOOOO! THERE ARE LOCKED GATES!
NOOO!!!!
Beknur Harbour is locked. Dang it. I dont like locked gates.
EDIT: Also, some quests are labeled [Difficulty: master], interesting.
NOOO!!!!
Beknur Harbour is locked. Dang it. I dont like locked gates.
EDIT: Also, some quests are labeled [Difficulty: master], interesting.
Exoudeous
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NOOOOOOOOOOO! THERE ARE LOCKED GATES!
NOOO!!!! Beknur Harbour is locked. Dang it. I dont like locked gates. EDIT: Also, some quests are labeled [Difficulty: master], interesting. |
Quid Pro Quo
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Unplayable. every time I leave town the game crashs on me. tons of lag, slow download speed...
I wonder if many people are playing it right now? First impression is that the voice acting has improved. no moving mouths tho I like the music and new areas. Don't really think the new professions are doing it for me though. I think I will just take my character through the campaign. |
drekmonger
I enjoy inventing new builds and playing around with different skills. That's half the reason why I like Guild Wars. The Heros give me plenty of skill slots to mess around with. It's fun. The new skills mostly look good.
I think Heros will (ironically) be more popular among PvP players, because they increase the rewards for having personal skill. PvE players don't tend to have the micromanagement skills required to take full advantage of the Hero system.
The Sunspear Rank title track is a good idea. Music and art are their usual high quality. The voice overs have improved.
Something odd: nearly every player I've seen walking around made their character as white as they could. I personally find it disturbing.
The various bugs don't make me happy. I mean, the game basically crashing if you take a Hero outside in certain areas ... that's just sad.
I think Heros will (ironically) be more popular among PvP players, because they increase the rewards for having personal skill. PvE players don't tend to have the micromanagement skills required to take full advantage of the Hero system.
The Sunspear Rank title track is a good idea. Music and art are their usual high quality. The voice overs have improved.
Something odd: nearly every player I've seen walking around made their character as white as they could. I personally find it disturbing.
The various bugs don't make me happy. I mean, the game basically crashing if you take a Hero outside in certain areas ... that's just sad.
Mordakai
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I never counted on the preview to answer that question.
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Horseman Of War
I got to play for about an hour before work today.... heres what i did...
-created all 4 character types, watched dances
I really like the female paragon dance. Their hair is also totally radical. Im glad we have more options than we did in the pvp event for character creation. I also noticed that no matter which hair style i chose for the male dervish, I looked like a Krytan.
-quickly tried a couple of ideas I have been toying with in my mind...
a. Dervish/Necro with Vampiric Aura... did a few Random arena matches- didnt work out like i hoped... although blood magic definately looks to be a good combo to add to a dervish, I think I can cross this one off my list of the kind of dervish i want to play.
b. Critical Spear, assassin/paragon- had the time to do one alliance battle. This class IS working out like I hoped. Im going to need to unlock a few more spear skills (lightning spear is out of the plan) although my shadow arts was really annoying some would-be attackers. I cant wait to bring my assassin to elona.
-Tutorial Mission (didnt have time to get into the first city..) Looks like a fresh new kind of beginning- really makes you feel like youre in the Sunspear Army, and instantly the atmosphere of the new continent enchanted me in a way that the original did.
-created all 4 character types, watched dances
I really like the female paragon dance. Their hair is also totally radical. Im glad we have more options than we did in the pvp event for character creation. I also noticed that no matter which hair style i chose for the male dervish, I looked like a Krytan.
-quickly tried a couple of ideas I have been toying with in my mind...
a. Dervish/Necro with Vampiric Aura... did a few Random arena matches- didnt work out like i hoped... although blood magic definately looks to be a good combo to add to a dervish, I think I can cross this one off my list of the kind of dervish i want to play.
b. Critical Spear, assassin/paragon- had the time to do one alliance battle. This class IS working out like I hoped. Im going to need to unlock a few more spear skills (lightning spear is out of the plan) although my shadow arts was really annoying some would-be attackers. I cant wait to bring my assassin to elona.
-Tutorial Mission (didnt have time to get into the first city..) Looks like a fresh new kind of beginning- really makes you feel like youre in the Sunspear Army, and instantly the atmosphere of the new continent enchanted me in a way that the original did.
drekmonger
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Horseman Of War
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Something odd: nearly every player I've seen walking around made their character as white as they could. I personally find it disturbing.
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thats odd, because I am giving myself a hard time about wanting to make ONLY darkskinned characters (female paragon especially - Tina Turner FTW)
I hope the trend continues, because Id rather be a minority of awesome looking Elonians.
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Unplayable. every time I leave town the game crashs on me. tons of lag, slow download speed...
I mean yeah.. its fine. except for the fact I can't play. |
ForgeWhelp
So are the promtion points just an easy/ cheesy way for ANY BODY to easily have a title? Unless I've missed something, to earn any previous title required you to either do a lot of time/work or pay a lot of money to have someone else do the work. But now you can simply do X easy missions and POOF you have a title? Seems to take away some of the coolness of having a title...IMHO
Mordakai
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I got to play for about an hour before work today.... heres what i did...
-created all 4 character types, watched dances I really like the female paragon dance. Their hair is also totally radical. Im glad we have more options than we did in the pvp event for character creation. I also noticed that no matter which hair style i chose for the male dervish, I looked like a Krytan. |
I wanted to make a female Paragon, so the hair sounds good. I also wanted to make a Dervish male, and if I can't find a hair I like, I'll just be sure to wear a hood all the time.
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-quickly tried a couple of ideas I have been toying with in my mind...
a. Dervish/Necro with Vampiric Aura... did a few Random arena matches- didnt work out like i hoped... although blood magic definately looks to be a good combo to add to a dervish, I think I can cross this one off my list of the kind of dervish i want to play. |
Bane of Worlds
The reactions towards the dances are mixed but I wouldn't care about it since I'm not going to be dancing all day for a living in GW.
The land of Elona looks great IMHO.
Heroes are wonderful and follow directions well.
The land of Elona looks great IMHO.
Heroes are wonderful and follow directions well.
Seltack
Isn't there a shout/enchantment from an npc near the first outpost that gives you a promotion point of each plant killed?
Horseman Of War
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I love the new skills for existing professions, and I love a new continent to play on, but there was no need for new professions. Out of the 50 districts there are thousands of Ps and Ds. And I saw 1 ranger. This is what NF will be like, and it's stupid. They had to make a group composed of entirely Paragons and Dervishes balanced, so they are makeshift monks, warriors, rangers, etc.
The new professions aren't needed, they try to take on roles of older professions but do it slightly differently. It sucks. I hope next chapter no new professions, only new skills and areas. |
well playing the new classes is kind of the point of the weekend. And yes, for the first few weeks after release you will see a TON of the new classes.
People will bring over their old tanks and monks, but just because you dont like the new classes doesnt mean they should stop making more. A chapter of new skills and areas would not excite me, and I would feel ripped off.
Sir Skullcrasher
I bet the hero units are fun to play with but how many can you control? I heard that you can only use one per battles?
drekmonger
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FalconDance
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The reactions towards the dances are mixed but I wouldn't care about it since I'm not going to be dancing all day for a living in GW.
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The female Dervish dance is sooo graceful and serene.
The rest of the new 'dances' are just plain OMG-fuglystupid. I thought the female assassin dance was the most awkward-looking (as in "white girl ain't got no rhythm!" -- I'm not intending offense to anyone), but I think the female Paragon has just about topped it.
Hairstyles: it seems Elona is Home of the Cornrow. Has anyone noticed that a majority of the styles are some variation of cornrows? A few are really pretty but some are......not. Beyond that, there are a couple hairstyles I like - the ranger seems to have inherited the long ponytail of the Dervish (from the first preview event). The mesmer has a 'do with a peacock feather stuck in her headband that's kinda cute-sophisticated. And the necro has a wild and funky style that is a riot!
Whoever it was that mentioned how many new characters with a lighter skintone -- for myself, when I'm choosing a face, I use the lightest as it's the only one that the graphics show up right with. (The faces have strange graphics around the lips and nose area in the darker tones - at least in the creation screen.) Since I usually play red-heads, a lighter skintones work best for my girls, although I will say that some of the medium tones are rather pretty in NF.
Sir Skullcrasher
So what about the enemies spawn in Nightfall. Do we get the same old.. load up one part of the map and see if you can avoid aggroing them? Or did they finally implement a better spawn system with tougher enemies instead of loading the whole map with red dots.
Horseman Of War
does anyone know if the female paragon dance is another "80s or 90s" dance that I should recognize?
The paragons dancing makes elona look like a fun place to party.
The paragons dancing makes elona look like a fun place to party.
katsumoriyama
I don't like the faces for the paragons. Look to wierd.
Tommy
did you guys notice that Elona people's skin are darker than Tryian and Canthan? man i wish i could customize my hero's face and hair, Koss needs a better haircut, the monsters look sweet. so far so good for me. the new hero system is pretty cool, i hope ppl wont just play with their heroes
< ppl will have even harder time to get a party>
i also hope that they can let us rename our hero
< ppl will have even harder time to get a party>i also hope that they can let us rename our hero
DigitalForm
I played this morning for about an hour and a half and these are the things I liked and disliked. Made it to about three towns while exploring I think
Liked:
`Heroes
`Being able to put down waypoint flags
`Environment is gorgeous
`Mouths moved in the cutscenes
`Music
`Dervishes and Paragons
Disliked:
`Armor and money sounds are gone. I liked them when I was playing yesterday although they need to work on matching sounds with armor types. My tiger sounded like my mesmer and assassin. As long as they aren't too annoying I think they add to the atmosphere of the game.
`Didn't see any skill quests even though I had 7+ quests in my list
`The waypoint texture was kinda frakin out unless I got close
`The first part of the animation (orangish sphere that goes around you) for Anthem of Flame didn't show up until after the second time you cast it. I read about other skills doing this before.
`I prioritized Cyclone Axe for Koss and he wouldn't use it until he died for some reason. It had the check mark for over 10 min. Then after that he used it as soon as I prioritized it ?!?!
`Heroes using only your skills since I don't know how to get them a different professions skills YET.
`The only mission I think I did was TIMED .... *UGH*
Giving it another shot after this
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kubuntu all the way
Liked:
`Heroes
`Being able to put down waypoint flags
`Environment is gorgeous
`Mouths moved in the cutscenes
`Music
`Dervishes and Paragons
Disliked:
`Armor and money sounds are gone. I liked them when I was playing yesterday although they need to work on matching sounds with armor types. My tiger sounded like my mesmer and assassin. As long as they aren't too annoying I think they add to the atmosphere of the game.
`Didn't see any skill quests even though I had 7+ quests in my list
`The waypoint texture was kinda frakin out unless I got close
`The first part of the animation (orangish sphere that goes around you) for Anthem of Flame didn't show up until after the second time you cast it. I read about other skills doing this before.
`I prioritized Cyclone Axe for Koss and he wouldn't use it until he died for some reason. It had the check mark for over 10 min. Then after that he used it as soon as I prioritized it ?!?!
`Heroes using only your skills since I don't know how to get them a different professions skills YET.
`The only mission I think I did was TIMED .... *UGH*
Giving it another shot after this
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kubuntu all the way
elLOCOmutha
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After creating a Paragon in the World Preview event, the abilities are appealing but its physical features are really putting me off. It seems that I’ve just created a ‘gay’ character. With that skirt and ‘cute’ haircut (very woman like in some styles) it just looks way too feminine...
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Dervish, men in dresses just arent the type of professions I will be playing.
Overall the profesions have been a huge disappointment, I wont be playing them primary anytime soon unless its a pvp character I can erase.
I guess I will be making a PvE Ranger Primary...or maybe a Necro primary.
Get rid of timed missions....so blah.
Saider maul
I am disgusted with what they did to mysticism. Very true the D/MO build was way overpowered. The change needed to be in CoP and a slight tweak to mysticism. Anet went with its typical 2/3 reduction nerf bat and knocked the hp gain from 48 to 16 and energy gain from 8 to 5... ANET YOUR MORONS.
Sorry for that lil flame.
Honestly think about it. dervish is a 70 AL frontline holy warrior and a slight al boost vs elemental types. They need that HP. I agree on energy gain reduction.
post beta preview i suggested making hp gain 2 for ever 1 capping hp gain at 32hp and capping the energy gain at 5e. So tell me WTF good is 14-16hp every 10-20sec? vigorous spirit would do more then mysticism does.
AoE condition spamming is now at 20sec recharges. I agree on the dmg reduction for these enchantments but come on 20 sec on recharges.
I am sure other builds will pop up and be ok and i ran a D/MO but also took the time to design a real Dervish. I dont know how in the hell you expect the dervish to be a holy (wammo) replacement.
I have played both campaign and every class in nearly every build and to this day i still do not get the assbackwards balancing concepts of anet.
Please set mysticism at 2 hp per attribute point and energy gain as is.
As far as skills Give the pbaoe burst enchantments 10-12sec recharges but 1 sec cast and leave balthazars rage as is.
this will make mysticism about 1/3 more effective, casting dmg will be steady but not spammable.
This is just My opinion from what i have seen in this preview. ATM Dervish are going to be a target on the front line.
Sorry for that lil flame.
Honestly think about it. dervish is a 70 AL frontline holy warrior and a slight al boost vs elemental types. They need that HP. I agree on energy gain reduction.
post beta preview i suggested making hp gain 2 for ever 1 capping hp gain at 32hp and capping the energy gain at 5e. So tell me WTF good is 14-16hp every 10-20sec? vigorous spirit would do more then mysticism does.
AoE condition spamming is now at 20sec recharges. I agree on the dmg reduction for these enchantments but come on 20 sec on recharges.
I am sure other builds will pop up and be ok and i ran a D/MO but also took the time to design a real Dervish. I dont know how in the hell you expect the dervish to be a holy (wammo) replacement.
I have played both campaign and every class in nearly every build and to this day i still do not get the assbackwards balancing concepts of anet.
Please set mysticism at 2 hp per attribute point and energy gain as is.
As far as skills Give the pbaoe burst enchantments 10-12sec recharges but 1 sec cast and leave balthazars rage as is.
this will make mysticism about 1/3 more effective, casting dmg will be steady but not spammable.
This is just My opinion from what i have seen in this preview. ATM Dervish are going to be a target on the front line.
IrishCatholicNewYorker
well i don't wanna complain nightfall seems real cool but I don't like the heros the last thing I wanna do is buy them armor and weapons etc.. I also am not a big fan of "commanding" the hench and heros I wish they would just follow you and commanding could be an option. ugg the heros are bothering me do you have to use them? Sryy to complain on postive side noghfall looks really pretty and the new professions seem cool
Andy_M
I tamed a flamingo, er yeah, ummm. Well it was either that or a not very impressive warthog.
Some of the weapons and shields I've seen are good looking. Sun and Moon shield especially.
Some of the weapons and shields I've seen are good looking. Sun and Moon shield especially.
sindex
So far I’m love’in some of these new skills and especially some for the monk, wiki better start listing I know I am. Now I don’t mind being the combo class’s for my monk I am now. Go to the temple and see for yourself people.
Carth`
I was wrong about NF, it's actually really good.
Moist Muffin
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Something odd: nearly every player I've seen walking around made their character as white as they could. I personally find it disturbing.
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Its disturbing that we have the freedom to create a character any way we want and do so. Get of your politicly correct high horse, if we want to create a white male or a black female we should be able to with out listening to people like you whine about it. So what its a game even if its in an African enviroment. Its available to all races to play how thay want to.
Something odd: nearly every player I've seen walking around made their character as white as they could. I personally find it disturbing.
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Its disturbing that we have the freedom to create a character any way we want and do so. Get of your politicly correct high horse, if we want to create a white male or a black female we should be able to with out listening to people like you whine
about it. So what its a game even if its in an African enviroment. Its available to all races to play how thay want to.
Goonter
Im still a little over quested from Factions. I dont feel like Im building towards anything by doing most of them. Granted, the extra exp for skill unlocking is nice, but... I can put that off and unlock through other means.
So far, sidequest means nothing.
I like the female dances a lot better than the male dances. Despite the negitive response on the Paragon girl I think its hot. (and I think the elona girls are hotter than the other two, what the hells wrong with some of you people, you see that eley outfit, that necro looks like lil'kim... that bitch is bad)
I also wish there were more hair and face options.
Hero system is good so far. If it works without flaw then it will be a perfect add to pve. I havent tried heros/pvp, and Im not holding my breath on it being "must play." But again, in pve -perfect. Keep it for future chapters if this is as good as it seems so far.
Love the new attribute/skill/profession changing window. about ga-dam time
Looovin some of the new skills for the other 8 professions. Im particually glad that some new ranger skills look more usefull in this campaign than any did in the last one. (not to siked about eley advancments though)
I cant comment heavily on how the new class work but of the two Im looking at the paragon for making larger waves in the pvp game, while dervish take over in pve. (just a shot in the dark prediction)
Ill bring up only one dissappointment, (though I have more) although its never been addressed by anet. There arent any advancements in searching systems in this preview. Its usefulness would have helped everyone in the game x100 from day one.
Highs: New attribute/skill menu. Interesting and perhaps important new skills.
Lows: Nothing wrong with doing lots of quest if I got reasons to do them, which I dont think I have any over, farming. No searching feature. Ill scan WTS, LFG in chat for about .03 seconds before i see a henchmen for my needs for now.
(oh, and theres nothing wrong with being a male paragon these days)
So far, sidequest means nothing.
I like the female dances a lot better than the male dances. Despite the negitive response on the Paragon girl I think its hot. (and I think the elona girls are hotter than the other two, what the hells wrong with some of you people, you see that eley outfit, that necro looks like lil'kim... that bitch is bad)
I also wish there were more hair and face options.
Hero system is good so far. If it works without flaw then it will be a perfect add to pve. I havent tried heros/pvp, and Im not holding my breath on it being "must play." But again, in pve -perfect. Keep it for future chapters if this is as good as it seems so far.
Love the new attribute/skill/profession changing window. about ga-dam time
Looovin some of the new skills for the other 8 professions. Im particually glad that some new ranger skills look more usefull in this campaign than any did in the last one. (not to siked about eley advancments though)
I cant comment heavily on how the new class work but of the two Im looking at the paragon for making larger waves in the pvp game, while dervish take over in pve. (just a shot in the dark prediction)
Ill bring up only one dissappointment, (though I have more) although its never been addressed by anet. There arent any advancements in searching systems in this preview. Its usefulness would have helped everyone in the game x100 from day one.
Highs: New attribute/skill menu. Interesting and perhaps important new skills.
Lows: Nothing wrong with doing lots of quest if I got reasons to do them, which I dont think I have any over, farming. No searching feature. Ill scan WTS, LFG in chat for about .03 seconds before i see a henchmen for my needs for now.
(oh, and theres nothing wrong with being a male paragon these days)