So, I was thinking. Dervishes got the ability to transform into the physical manifestation of the gods they worship. Varesh Ossa, the evil ruler, is a dervish. Varesh worships Abaddon, the 6th outcast god. See where I am going?
1+1+1=3
What if we were to fight Varesh as part of the storyline, and she had the skill "Avatar of Abaddon", allowing her to transform into her god? This would of course be a monster skill, and thus not available for capture.
Thoughts? Comments?
_Zexion
Speculation: 6th Dervish Form? (SPOILERS)
Zexion
maedrarle
Wouldn't suprise me. Interesting idea. I'm guessing that the general they call "Old Fool" is going to kill her at some point.
Tuesg
Spoliers Ahead
Didn't we fight here in this event, granted I lost so she may have got away in a cutscene?
Didn't we fight here in this event, granted I lost so she may have got away in a cutscene?
Avarre
You fought General Kahyet, also a Ritualist. Varesh is more powerful 
I've mentioned this possibility before in other threads... it's the logical ending of the story. We shall see, I suppose.
I've mentioned this possibility before in other threads... it's the logical ending of the story. We shall see, I suppose.
Neriandal Freit
I was just about to say, didn't this thread get started because you've suggest that Avarre?
gr3g
Varesh's evilness is an obvious plot misdirection. You don't make a character of such immaculate pedigree (bloodline of Turai Ossa, the greatest Elonian hero EVAR!!!) and for no reason make them irredeemably evil.
Prediction: Varesh is either (a) already fallen and under the control of the Abaddon cult, or (b) secretly keeping a watch on the Abaddon cult so she can spring her counter at the most opportune time.
I think the way Nightfall will come about will be a twist we don't yet expect. I will be greatly disappointed if this is another Shiro rehash, with the bad guy identified from the start.
Prediction: Varesh is either (a) already fallen and under the control of the Abaddon cult, or (b) secretly keeping a watch on the Abaddon cult so she can spring her counter at the most opportune time.
I think the way Nightfall will come about will be a twist we don't yet expect. I will be greatly disappointed if this is another Shiro rehash, with the bad guy identified from the start.
TheMadKingGeorge
sounds like anet has leaked some information but it was kind of obvious
Avarre
A twist would provide more interest but also possibly throw away a character with a vast potential for development into a prime villain. Either way works, so long as it's done well...
Also, Varesh is 'evil' because of General Kahyet, her teacher. How Kahyet managed to convert Varesh is another story...
Also, Varesh is 'evil' because of General Kahyet, her teacher. How Kahyet managed to convert Varesh is another story...
Derek
I DEMAND that if there is a Avatar of Abaddon, players can also get it 
. I mean it's most likely going to look cool, I hope that if there would be one it would be like this http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=99 (I mean it would look like that big statue.)
. I mean it's most likely going to look cool, I hope that if there would be one it would be like this http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=99 (I mean it would look like that big statue.)
Cloudpiercer
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Originally Posted by gr3g
Varesh's evilness is an obvious plot misdirection. You don't make a character of such immaculate pedigree (bloodline of Turai Ossa, the greatest Elonian hero EVAR!!!) and for no reason make them irredeemably evil.
Prediction: Varesh is either (a) already fallen and under the control of the Abaddon cult, or (b) secretly keeping a watch on the Abaddon cult so she can spring her counter at the most opportune time. I think the way Nightfall will come about will be a twist we don't yet expect. I will be greatly disappointed if this is another Shiro rehash, with the bad guy identified from the start. |
Solar Light
Personaly, i have my doubts about Kormir.... i remember her doing something funny to a statue related to Abaddon in the opening scene for char making or somesuch, and you hear about Kormir poking around old ruins related to the Scarab Plague and more things like that.
all we know is that one of the main villans is a "she" but we have two canidates or one that has not been seen.
so, Kormir has the same chance of being Evil that Varesh does, although at first i thought Kormir was Nfs Togo/Rurik
all we know is that one of the main villans is a "she" but we have two canidates or one that has not been seen.
so, Kormir has the same chance of being Evil that Varesh does, although at first i thought Kormir was Nfs Togo/Rurik
Arkantos
For some reason, whenever I picture Abaddon I picture Diablo.
Avatar of Abaddon would be nice though.
Avatar of Abaddon would be nice though.
Quid Pro Quo
I really do hope we get Abaddon's form. Although would you still be able to buy it with factions since that would be a bit of a spoiler? Would be kind of cool if it was a PvE perk.
Shadow
I suspected the same. Monster only if anything.
UndeadRoadkill
It sounds like an interesting idea, but I agree that it should be uncappable, however cool it may be. Why would the guy grant us power if we're trying to put him down?
sindex
An interesting idea, (good call indeed) to see that there is a twist somewhere. However if someone does turn into the avatar, I don’t see it being the final version of Abaddon (something like a practice version of the god). Then when the truth is revealed you find out that you screwed up big time, setting everything in motion for his return (as he has foreseen). It would even cooler if he sends his adepts after you, from the prophecies and factions campaigns; so you could see how things came full circle (possibly someone you thought was totally irrelevant to Abaddon’s cause); like the emperor (the one that got killed by Shiro) from factions and Saul D’Alessio (the one that started the white mantle) from prophecies. I know that’s a bit far fetched, but you could make some connections.
OlMurraniKasale
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. . . Then when the truth is revealed you find out that you screwed up big time, setting everything in motion for his return (as he has foreseen) . . .
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Please A-Net stay away from that plot twist.
sindex
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Screwed up big time? You mean like we did in Prophecies by helping the Vizier, who turned out to be evil and through his conniving, we (yes WE) released the Titans?
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Quid Pro Quo
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Yeah however if you really think about it, you saw that coming when the Vizier stabbed you in the back (the voice diction was a dead give away). I’m talking about something totally unexpected, like (for those of you know Star Wars KOTR) when Darth Raven's true identity was revealed (or whatever totally unexpected ending you have witness).
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doinchi
I think the avatar of abbadon will be an endgame elite skill that is only capable in the last mission. I too didnt like the fact that my character ended up releasing the titans and causing so much mayhem.
I thought the savannahs in Nightfall reminded me of Dantooine in KOTOR II.
I thought the savannahs in Nightfall reminded me of Dantooine in KOTOR II.
darrylhaines
An avatar of a evil god...the god that you will eventually fight or kill in some way....and we will be able to capture the skill and change into the god we are fighting......errr...not going to happen...
arcanemacabre
I think it depends. Supposedly there are going to be choices that you make in quests and missions that determine the path you take in the story. That being the case, I think it's possible you could take an 'evil' path that leads to your hero fighting on the side of the 6th god. In which case, the Dervish very well may be able to take on that form.
Talk about a twist! Your own character becomming the 'bad guy'!
Talk about a twist! Your own character becomming the 'bad guy'!
akh
imo if you choose evil path you will not have opportunity to kill veresh.
arcanemacabre
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imo if you choose evil path you will not have opportunity to kill veresh.
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Sounds cool to me, unless I'm right, in which case I've ruined it for myself.
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
doinchi
If you do become evil, you would probably become power hungry and kill Varesh.
WhiteZombie
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Originally Posted by gr3g
Varesh's evilness is an obvious plot misdirection. You don't make a character of such immaculate pedigree (bloodline of Turai Ossa, the greatest Elonian hero EVAR!!!) and for no reason make them irredeemably evil.
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Giga Strike
Varesh, being the main villain, would obviously be the final boss or second to last boss if abaddon was summoned. It would only make sense for varesh to have a kick-ass monster skill, the avatar of abaddon fits it perfectly. it would be the closest thing to actually fighting abaddon (and not getting ur ass kicked in 2 seconds) that you could get to.
gr3g
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its called a fall from grace. it happens all the time. remember darth vader? :P
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So far there is nothing in the story that really motivates Varesh's evilness. We barely even know who she is in game at the point where the Great Plot Twist is revealed. The pacing is all off, is what I'm saying. Give us a reason to be surprised at her allegiance!
Giga Strike
here's a reason:
she is a direct decendent of the ghosly hero in the crystal desert.
she is a direct decendent of the ghosly hero in the crystal desert.
gr3g
That's not a reason. That's dadaism.
Giga Strike
...whats that?
Mr. G
Twould make a good "Celestial Skill" or the elonia equivalent (if we get something like that)
Rainman
hi zex its me rainman from sacred!! good 2 see ya m8
imo i think avatar of abaddon would spoil nightfall for newbies but it does sound cool :P
Avatar Of Abaddon
For 60 seconds your attacks do shadow damage and you steal 5-15 health every time you attack. AVATAR OF ABADDON FTW!
imo i think avatar of abaddon would spoil nightfall for newbies but it does sound cool :P
Avatar Of Abaddon
For 60 seconds your attacks do shadow damage and you steal 5-15 health every time you attack. AVATAR OF ABADDON FTW!
Zexion
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Originally Posted by darrylhaines
An avatar of a evil god...the god that you will eventually fight or kill in some way....and we will be able to capture the skill and change into the god we are fighting......errr...not going to happen...
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I never said anything about players being able to cap and use it!
I always stated it as a monster-only skill.
_Zexion
Studio Ghibli
I hate to be the one to point out the obvious-
But, hey, I'm about to point out the obvious, so-
The story for Prophecies, while fun, wasn't exactly original material. If anyone posting here had any play during the beta, it kind of felt like it was a hodge-podge of a bunch of cliche ideas thrown together.
Not bad, no. But it certainly didn't wow me at any point.
As for Factions, I was a bit confused by its story direction. So, we have a villain who's a villain because he.. SPOILERS AHEAD
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.. killed the emperor because the emperor was going to kill him because he was too powerful, and now he's angry because he died because he killed the emperor--so he's going to throw the universe out of alignment?
A real bang-up job as casting him as the reluctant villain, Anet.
It had a real great start, but.. once you realized both his motivations and the emperor's motivations, it became a kind of "DUR" story.
Nightfall, so far, has been real entertaining. Here's hoping the folks at Anet don't bungle the story again. ;P
But, hey, I'm about to point out the obvious, so-
The story for Prophecies, while fun, wasn't exactly original material. If anyone posting here had any play during the beta, it kind of felt like it was a hodge-podge of a bunch of cliche ideas thrown together.
Not bad, no. But it certainly didn't wow me at any point.
As for Factions, I was a bit confused by its story direction. So, we have a villain who's a villain because he.. SPOILERS AHEAD
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.. killed the emperor because the emperor was going to kill him because he was too powerful, and now he's angry because he died because he killed the emperor--so he's going to throw the universe out of alignment?
A real bang-up job as casting him as the reluctant villain, Anet.
It had a real great start, but.. once you realized both his motivations and the emperor's motivations, it became a kind of "DUR" story.
Nightfall, so far, has been real entertaining. Here's hoping the folks at Anet don't bungle the story again. ;P
Giga Strike
seems to me like the nightfall story could be very cliche. a basic, cult trying to release a great evil force that could destroy the world and to stop it all the good forces on earth join forces to fight in what seems to be an "end all" fight, kind of thing.
but i like that kind of thing so its ok by me.
but i like that kind of thing so its ok by me.
Clawdius_Talonious
No one else thinks we'll be fighting Abbadon at the end of the game? I mean Abbadon is trapped in the Realm of Torment, and we'll be traveling there... So why else besides to slay Abbadon would we be going? Good food, attractive women, and the ever so lovely weather?
Giga Strike
possibly to stop a ritual that would free him.
akh
i think that varesh will be our end boss because you can't defeat god himself.
not the one that other 5 gods failed to defeat. you can't... unless you do some kind of weakening ritual or something. and i doubt we will be able to cap avatar because its going to be something like:
Avatar Of Abaddon
For 60 seconds you wtfpwn everything.
not the one that other 5 gods failed to defeat. you can't... unless you do some kind of weakening ritual or something. and i doubt we will be able to cap avatar because its going to be something like:
Avatar Of Abaddon
For 60 seconds you wtfpwn everything.
sindex
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Originally Posted by akh
i think that varesh will be our end boss because you can't defeat god himself.
not the one that other 5 gods failed to defeat. you can't... unless you do some kind of weakening ritual or something. and i doubt we will be able to cap avatar because its going to be something like: Avatar Of Abaddon For 60 seconds you wtfpwn everything. |