Will the Paragon have wings in-game?

Pliskin MacReady

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

New York City, New York

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Mounts seem pointless in a game where you can simply go to any city or outpost of your choosing.

however, in the PC Gamer article, they mentioned that, in what I believe was an end-game area, there were areas that were only accessible by being swallowed by a giant wurm. You would then take control of the wurm (complete with a new skillbar) and use it to navigate the area only it can survive in. That's probably the closest thing to a mount you'd see in a game like this. Not sure how many areas will haev that either, could only be one, might even be in a mission area.

as for the armor, I think the animation for wings is suppose to show on the casting animation. Its likely it wasn't comleted for the preview event. It was also mentioned in the PC Gamer article, so I hope to see it in-game.

Or perhaps the wings will become part of the animation after the (seemingly traditional) act of "ascending" (or whatever it will be called) in Nightfall. Sort of like an added incentive to ascend. Though that's unlikely, since other professions would clamor for a similar treatment.

I doubt the armor will have wings, personally. But who knows. Paragons are supposed to be the gaurdian angels of the Elonian people.

But what I want to see more is a helmet. I don't like the little floating jewels, I rather have a helmet similar to the other Sunspears. If there's a set 15K or Fissure armor that opts to give you a helmet instead of a jewel, I'd go for that. But that's just a hope, I don't expect to see it since off the top of my head I can't think of any profession whose headgear changes.

Thallandor

Thallandor

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pliskin MacReady
But what I want to see more is a helmet. I don't like the little floating jewels, I rather have a helmet similar to the other Sunspears. If there's a set 15K or Fissure armor that opts to give you a helmet instead of a jewel, I'd go for that. But that's just a hope, I don't expect to see it since off the top of my head I can't think of any profession whose headgear changes.
I would love to have a helmet for my Paragon like the other sunspears as well. The recycling of ele's headgear for Paragon is rather...meh.

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thallandor
I would love to have a helmet for my Paragon like the other sunspears as well. The recycling of ele's headgear for Paragon is rather...meh.
Agreed. Most classes do seem to have 15k headgear these days, but the change isn't as dramatic as silly gem-thing to helmet... yet. We can always hope .

On the people saying they don't want wings - wouldn't it be a simple compromise to have some armours with wings and some without? Not everyone has the same ideas as to what looks silly. Personally, I find the Prophecies glads to be silly*, but I still see people wearing it (both basic and 15k) even though Canthan armours with the same benefits have been available for some time now, so I can only conclude that other people have different tastes than I do .

As long as you aren't forced into looking silly yourself, who cares how silly other people may choose to look?

*I even took the risk of salvaging a SupVigor to get rid of the last piece. For the record, I lost it.

Pliskin MacReady

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

New York City, New York

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I'd really like to see Ascalonian Armor changed to be more like Canthan armor, where you can have the look you want with the function you want. My warrior is named Pliskin of Ascalon, and I'd love to use the Grotto Ascalonian Armor.

Hopefully the ability to transfer armor functions is appicable to Ascalonian armors at the very least.

But paragon helmet, that's what I want to push most for! There's gotta be something better than the floating jewels. Though I can't think of any sort of headgear they can use that isn't used already. Maybe they could have "crowns", helmets with open tops? I dunno, I'm no artist.

Jas D

Jas D

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Oklahoma, USA

None

Wings? Who really knows.. they aren't going to give everything away in the WPE.

Is it just me or does that assassin armor in the URL he posted look like a cheap version of fissure? (The blades, not the chest/leg design)

Pliskin MacReady

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

New York City, New York

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From what little we've seen of the new armor designs, I haven't been too impressed. The warrior armors look similar to what we have now, the ranger armors look like nothing new, the mesmer armors aren't much of a change, the monk armors have the same basic design to them as what we got in Factions, and assassin armors mostly seem to remind me of Solid Snake's body suit.

The Necromancer armor is probably the most unique looking compared to what's already availible. The puffy pants are something new from the tight leather, at least.

And the elementalist females just keep on getting sluttier. By the fifth chapter of the game, they'll probably be nude if the trend continues.

black_mamba

black_mamba

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

it would be cool if anet gave people "unique" rewards IF they do all the quests in abbodons(spelling ) new elite area
or something to that effect. Elite quest rewards! with armor upgrades:
wings = paragon
halo = monk
real plant growth = ranger

i cant think of the other professions but u get the idea

-Loki-

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

Special additions to classes for completeing something like the new elite mission on that class would indeed be rather cool.

Lunarhound

Lunarhound

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

To comment on the mounts thing: They would not be pointless in a game that allows instant travel, because mounts wouldn't have to be about transportation. They could, as with the worms, be tools for navigating certain areas of the game. Or, they could even be skills you take with you, like charm animal, that would cause you to have a mount while they're equipped that provides some sort of abilities/bonuses/penalties/whatever. There are more creative ways to implement such things than simply having them make you move faster.

As for wings, I think having them on armor would be a bit too extravagant. And anyway, paragons aren't supposed to be actual angels. It's more of a metaphorical thing, which is probably why they briefly show the wings when they use some skills. The unleashing of certain powers causes their divine nature to show through for a moment, or something. I think it's cooler that way, than having them run around with huge, bulky wings on their backs all the time.

Buzzer

Buzzer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Australia

I reckon wings on 15k armour.

Sereng Amaranth

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by lightblade
"If I have wings, why am I always walking?"

Remember this quote?
Dogma?

cataphract

cataphract

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathByAmor
I think 15k Paragon's should have some sort of wings varying from armor to armor. Paragon FoW should have Chaos wings that are animated and flap and move a little bit all the time. When you dye your armor your wings change color...
Or maybe give Paragons a gaul helm? You know - like the one Asterix wears.

Oh, I'd *really* like a helmet for Prophecies 15k gladiator's armor. WTF? 17 months of a helmetless armor set? Not good.

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pliskin MacReady
But paragon helmet, that's what I want to push most for! There's gotta be something better than the floating jewels. Though I can't think of any sort of headgear they can use that isn't used already. Maybe they could have "crowns", helmets with open tops? I dunno, I'm no artist.
You could even just leave it as 'regalia'. It's a fairly broad term.

Lilith St Cyr

Lilith St Cyr

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by black_mamba
it would be cool if anet gave people "unique" rewards IF they do all the quests in abbodons(spelling ) new elite area
or something to that effect. Elite quest rewards! with armor upgrades:
wings = paragon
halo = monk
real plant growth = ranger

i cant think of the other professions but u get the idea
Sorry, which new area is this? I feel I've missed something here

Pliskin MacReady

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

New York City, New York

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Quote:
Originally Posted by draxynnic
You could even just leave it as 'regalia'. It's a fairly broad term.
There we go, that's the term I was looking for.

Da Scotty

Da Scotty

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Join Date: Oct 2006

London UK

TTR

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Wings, floating while casting AoE or Chants and a New White Dye all would be excellent additions.

However I guess will have to wait and see.
Although the wings could all be a marketing thing, Ill pretend for now.

Clawdius_Talonious

Clawdius_Talonious

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Screwston, Tejas

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Quote:
Originally Posted by cataphract
Or maybe give Paragons a gaul helm? You know - like the one Asterix wears.

Oh, I'd *really* like a helmet for Prophecies 15k gladiator's armor. WTF? 17 months of a helmetless armor set? Not good.
The helm from the Krytan armor set looks sweet with the 15k Glads armor, the layered effect of the helm goes with the layered armpiece.

black_mamba

black_mamba

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith St Cyr
Sorry, which new area is this? I feel I've missed something here
The Realm of Torment is a region featured in the Nightfall campaign, but it is not located in Elona itself, but in the Mists, accessed through a portal in Elona.

Supposedly, the Realm of Torment is the realm of Abaddon, the fallen god. He was exiled to this place by the five Gods of Tyria. From here he seeks to gain back control and spreads evil into the world of the mortals, eventually trying break from to his "prison cell".

To stop the Nightfall, players have to venture into this most hazardous area to defeat the evil forces.

It is revealed by the Reaper of the Bonepits in the Underworld that the Realm of Torment is a division of the Underworld where the most wicked go to spend eternity in torment.

~guildwiki.org

CHUIU

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Team Legacy

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
in Anet's defense, the NPCs get unique armor so they stand out in a crowded city.

and those 2 renderings are...what do you call it outdated
Uhhh, they weren't when Guild Wars came out.

Pliskin MacReady

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

New York City, New York

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Quote:
Originally Posted by black_mamba
It is revealed by the Reaper of the Bonepits in the Underworld that the Realm of Torment is a division of the Underworld where the most wicked go to spend eternity in torment.

~guildwiki.org
Anyone else hoping you get to see Shiro while you're there? He's supposedly banished to his special corner of hell, isn't he? It'd be great if he was an assassin boss you could skill cap an elite from.

Thallandor

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

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I think this was what we all were waiting for:



Paragon on the left/ Dervish on the right

Velvet Wing

Velvet Wing

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/cheers thallandor on

Thanks for that pic mate Looks nice!!

Quid Pro Quo

Quid Pro Quo

Wilds Pathfinder

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thallandor
Just saw that in my email.

They look nice.

Silly Warrior

Silly Warrior

Hold it!

Join Date: Jul 2006

In your local courthouse.

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Looks cool....is there a higher rez picture we can get our hands on?

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thallandor
I think this was what we all were waiting for:



Paragon on the left/ Dervish on the right
Why did they have to go and do that...

Now I don't know if I want a paragon or not.

natuxatu

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

That's not a surprise that they did that... plus it looks sweet... but some people love to complain so have at it...

On the flip side.. it looks like the Dervish can do something of it's own o_O

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

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Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

I'm not complaining for the sake of complaining. I just don't think wings on humans look nice.

I suppose it could be worse, they could be permanent.

Cloudpiercer

Cloudpiercer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahn Roi
I'm not complaining for the sake of complaining. I just don't think wings on humans look nice.

I suppose it could be worse, they could be permanent.
Yeah its more of an Aura thing, like the glyphs that appear above your head when you cast a spell. So instead of a glyph, a pair of wings sprout on the paragons back. I think it will look much better in action than on a screenshot.

Silly Warrior

Silly Warrior

Hold it!

Join Date: Jul 2006

In your local courthouse.

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] (elite PvE, PM)

I great marketing idea would be to make this one of the collector edition things, an incentive to buy CE. The dervish could even have a special emote-thing as well!








But what do I know, I'm just....the 800 pound gorilla in your basement....eating your chips.

natus

natus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

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Well, you do get special emotes with the CE, no one know what it is, could be wings and stuff..

Starsky-sama

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something I just thought of, that's not being said.

The title of the thread: Will the Paragon have wings in-game?

and from the Insider screenshot.

/begs the question: If the wings are skill based, wouldnt that mean all professions will be able to have "wings" in-game. (as just use 2ndary para for any charac class.)

/imagines how "wars" will look with wings...laff.
/ponder.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloudpiercer
Yeah its more of an Aura thing, like the glyphs that appear above your head when you cast a spell. So instead of a glyph, a pair of wings sprout on the paragons back. I think it will look much better in action than on a screenshot.
That is what i've assumed aswell. I mean it makes more sense than them having physical wings on their backs.

Quid Pro Quo

Quid Pro Quo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by natuxatu
On the flip side.. it looks like the Dervish can do something of it's own o_O
Yeah I see a misty looking aura around that Dervish.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silly Warrior
But what do I know, I'm just....the 800 pound gorilla in your basement....eating your chips.
I have a chips? Hell I have a basement!?
Maybe I really do need some coffee like those commercials say.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Starsky-sama
: If the wings are skill based, wouldnt that mean all professions will be able to have "wings" in-game.
Thats a good point. Maybe its tied into the paragon animations and not the skill animations? What I mean is thats how they cast spells. Kind of like how if you give a war a scythe hes just going to swing it like a hammer but the Dervish will spin it around gracefully.

That would make more sense to me. Although that might also mean that they will get wings everytime they cast.

I guess I'll have to wait 5 days and 9 hours to see.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaKai
That is what i've assumed aswell. I mean it makes more sense than them having physical wings on their backs.
Yeah thats what I was thinking of too. It would be extremely odd to see real wings just randomly appear.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quid Pro Quo
Yeah thats what I was thinking of too. It would be extremely odd to see real wings just randomly appear.
Even current skills have unique animations. Look at illusionary weaponary for example. A pink aura forming a sort of blade appears when casting in the users right hand.

Konrow

Konrow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

NY, New York

Warlords of Earth [WAR]

not a huge fan of the paragon but having a winged dude in my party is always nice so bring on the wings :P

gr3g

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

I hope we can dye our Paragon's wings black.
(jk)

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

if I ever make a paragon primary, it is definitely gonna be female... Male paragons with their kilt/skirt things plus these wings = ultimate fruitcake.

Lady Lozza

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Oz

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zomg girm reaper
zomg fallen angel

BRICK WALL <-- Lady L's head.

I'm waiting to see this one in-game. I think it could work. I think it could NOT work too.

Thallandor

Thallandor

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Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Starsky-sama
something I just thought of, that's not being said.

The title of the thread: Will the Paragon have wings in-game?

and from the Insider screenshot.

/begs the question: If the wings are skill based, wouldnt that mean all professions will be able to have "wings" in-game. (as just use 2ndary para for any charac class.)

/imagines how "wars" will look with wings...laff.
/ponder.
This is actually a valid and very good question. The pic shows us that the wing description works as it was described in the PCgamer Nov issue Magazine as saying that "the Paragon would raise into the air as his/her wings spread while casting buff or chants".

With the picture in mind, my prediction is as follows:

The wings are tied to Paragon Primary just as Avatar Transformation are tied to Dervish primaries. Meaning that the wings would trigger on certain sets of skills eg chants and buffs but wont have the same effect on other primary classes with a paragon secondary.

Reason?

Looking at the Ele class (being most similar to Paragon in terms of model) they also float a little when casting spells like firestorm and other AoEs, But do you see the same effect when you cast those with other primary classes? No each specific primary class has their own set of animations that govern the types and ways that the skill animations will be handled and hence it is reasonable enough to assume the same will apply to the Paragon as well.

In short the Wings graphical display is likely to be primary class specific rather than being tied to specific skill sets.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

I doubt wings will be for shouts. ATM shouts just popup bubbles with no other large effects other than small auras around the character. AN excellent exmaple is "charge!".